It's kind of a bummer that 40K cards are already becoming expensive staples both because they were pretty juiced precons and we don't know if and how we'll get those cards again.
Every time I see a Warhammer card spike, I smile, for it means we are that much closer to getting versions of those cards without that ugly ass frame treatment that looks like the cards got bleached in the sun.
And I smile because it means Universes Beyond cards are popular, being more common to see in people's decks and all the people who were like "If anyone plays a Universes Beyond card in my store I'm leaving!" can either follow through or eat crow.
Warhammer and Magic have existed in the same spaces for decades, and have a large overlap of fans. They’re both in the “fantasy gaming collectibles” space, as well, as compared to an arcade fighting game and a TV action/drama. It’s the same with D&D; while I don’t love the cards, it’s literally the game Magic was designed to be played while waiting to start, so their characters are going to fit into that same niche.
I'm the same, and I've deduced it's because they're Earth based. The UB stuff I genuinely dislike, even though I love the properties, were Walking Dead and Stranger Things. There's just something about seeing regular-ass people just... from Earth. idk, it's just lame and doesn't feel like Magic to me. Street Fighter is a bit more fantastical but, still, a lot of them are just Earth people.
40K and LotR and all that I'm fine with. For me, the property has to feel fantastic in a way that I could believe it's a plane in the Magic universe. Earth based stuff.... that'll just never work for me :/
Gatekeepers crying when the game changes, when Magic has always changed. The game is arguably going to be healthier without them, as evidenced by "established players" leaving in the 6th Edition rules changes (1999). Or the introduction of the modern card frame (2003). Or the introduction of Planeswalkers (2007) .
I've been around for all of it and in each iteration, people leave over things that have been demonstrably better for the health and growth of the game.
So yeah, it is a healthy mindset ✌️
No, my point is that they aren't unique cards. Illuna and Ghidorah are mechanically considered as having the same name. And the cards are printed in such a way that it displays the actual name of the card.
Apparently, though, the universes within ones are considered having the same name, even though there's nothing to indicate that on the cards?
The collector's numbers at the bottom identify them as the same card. It's obtuse, and I'd much rather they went with the godzilla method, but the identifier is there.
Atraxa is one of the best commanders for Phyrexian mechanics and tribal themes so it makes sense. Of course there's likely a Go-Shintai or an Urtet for Phyrexians down the pipeline so you can play Urabrask as well
Different, unrelated complaints I'd say. People want 5c commanders for themes they like, like shrines, but they don't like 5c easy value commanders like Golos or Kenrith who don't require specific sorts of deckbuilding and end up being 5c goodstuff.
It's weird because Commanders that allow you to just jam good stuff are incredibly popular. I personally hate the Prospers, Aesis, and Krovolds of the world but they always end up popular.
So I get Prosper I'd just a crazy value engine but I never understood the hate for calling him a good stuff commander? He runs nearly all unique cards for a theme he basically created. Every Prosper deck might be similar but a lot of the cards in Prosper don't really have other homes.
Looking at the analytics, Huntmaster of the Fells was $15 last year. It seems like the card has fallen into its true value in my opinion. did it spike due to midnight hunt or something?
the quest is interesting. I think I have a few of those. Maybe I'll make a modern deck. I'm so tired of seeing 40k stuff. I wonder if this will just be LOTR or Dr Who in a year.
I get being tired of 40K cards, but I mainly wanted to talk about Mawloc because it's about Legacy. Snuck in The Red Terror as a bonus because it didn't feel fair as a real winner. So already trying to manage those cards a bit.
They need to put it in a Standard set to have any meaningful long-term impact on the price. Secret Lairs don't do anything, and Double Masters 1 was over two years ago.
>Secret Lairs don't do anything
They do a little. It's funny seeing them as the cheapest options
[[Jet Medallion]] is the biggest drop I think
[[Serra Ascendant]]
[[Birds of Paradise]]
[[Collective Voyage]]
Yep, Secret Lairs are best at bringing down the price when scarcity is the driving factor. A regular reprint will always be better
Also, it's totally subjective, but bad art is a factor imo.
That's why the [Eli, age 8's BoP](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1148/birds-of-paradise) is the cheapest
I feel like this sub goes from "they are printing/reprinting too much," to "they arent printing/reprinting enough" all the time.
The time to get it was a few months after reprint, since the card slaps it will only go up.
I'm sort of on both ends. I really think sets should be more liberal with reprints in general. It would not only allow more copies into the economy of the game, but it could also bring down the sheer number of new cards entering as well. The amount of new product is super overwhleming and we're at a point where maybe 1 to 3 cards from a set are remembered or used outside limited and standard. I barely remember any cards from Dominaria, hell even New Capenna I can barely remember the mob names. There's just too much for the average person to keep up with, but i'd feel less inclined to need to keep up if a lot of printing was devoted to keeping cards within the game itself.
Buy in for modern is $500-$1,000 depending on if you want a playable deck vs a tier 1 deck. The format has had only one pre-con in it's entire existence. Buy in for commander and pioneer is around ~60-$100 for something playable.
Format really affects how you view the reprint discussion.
Well, it is a big sub with lots of opinions. I am of the opinion that no non-reserved list card (abolish the reserve list please) should be more than $20.
I wish that was the world we lived in, but sadly fomo and artificial scarcity will keep raising prices. Not to mention buyouts etc
With the way wizards is going the last year’ish I’m sure she will see reprint soon. Prob in a another lair during this story arc
could you consider cutting the warhammer cards out of these? They seem to take up multiple slots every week and as a small supply and niche interest thing they are not very interesting to read about
Personal opinion: 40K cards are just as valid as reserve list cards or any other card that is unlikely to see reprint soon.
It’s also good to see how they do because universes beyond is now just a part of magic we all have to live with. They are commander and legacy legal so they are game pieces we might see even if we don’t like them. And if they go bonkers with price, we should be aware so we can choose to buy the next precons or protest and not get them if we think that’s better.
>small supply and niche interest
I can think of a whole bunch of Magic cards that qualify as those things, and personally I find WH40K to be a whole lot more interesting than various Vintage cards I will never own or even see.
I think it's important to keep track of them since them becoming very expensive and difficult to reprint (effectively a second reserved list) was a pretty real concern for Universes Beyond.
It's kind of a bummer that 40K cards are already becoming expensive staples both because they were pretty juiced precons and we don't know if and how we'll get those cards again.
we know that they have plans to reprint warhammer cards as magic-themed cards if needed, with replacement creature types
Every time I see a Warhammer card spike, I smile, for it means we are that much closer to getting versions of those cards without that ugly ass frame treatment that looks like the cards got bleached in the sun.
And I smile because it means Universes Beyond cards are popular, being more common to see in people's decks and all the people who were like "If anyone plays a Universes Beyond card in my store I'm leaving!" can either follow through or eat crow.
I’m not like that about Universes Beyond, but I gotta admit I despise Stickers cards and the like from Unfinity…
I can't articulate why, but wh40k universe beyond is more in flavor and acceptable compared to living dead and street fighter..
Warhammer and Magic have existed in the same spaces for decades, and have a large overlap of fans. They’re both in the “fantasy gaming collectibles” space, as well, as compared to an arcade fighting game and a TV action/drama. It’s the same with D&D; while I don’t love the cards, it’s literally the game Magic was designed to be played while waiting to start, so their characters are going to fit into that same niche.
I'm the same, and I've deduced it's because they're Earth based. The UB stuff I genuinely dislike, even though I love the properties, were Walking Dead and Stranger Things. There's just something about seeing regular-ass people just... from Earth. idk, it's just lame and doesn't feel like Magic to me. Street Fighter is a bit more fantastical but, still, a lot of them are just Earth people. 40K and LotR and all that I'm fine with. For me, the property has to feel fantastic in a way that I could believe it's a plane in the Magic universe. Earth based stuff.... that'll just never work for me :/
Ah yes I also enjoy seeing established players of the game I like being driven away by decisions they disagree with, very healthy mindset.
Gatekeepers crying when the game changes, when Magic has always changed. The game is arguably going to be healthier without them, as evidenced by "established players" leaving in the 6th Edition rules changes (1999). Or the introduction of the modern card frame (2003). Or the introduction of Planeswalkers (2007) . I've been around for all of it and in each iteration, people leave over things that have been demonstrably better for the health and growth of the game. So yeah, it is a healthy mindset ✌️
Their tears give me so much joy.
Have they said if they're going to do it with the Godzilla tech, though? If not, those just end up being redundancies for people who have both.
That isn't how those cards work. You can play \[\[Eleven, the Mage\]\] OR \[\[Cecily, Haunted Mage\]\] but not both.
[Eleven, the Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33e1e8fc-77b4-409d-9fc4-7bc6f6ae3e26.jpg?1657120007) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cecily%2C%20Haunted%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/3/cecily-haunted-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a09ffd51-8ea4-40a6-b64e-58f3acfee533?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cecily, Haunted Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a09ffd51-8ea4-40a6-b64e-58f3acfee533.jpg?1668327130) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cecily%2C%20Haunted%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/3/cecily-haunted-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a09ffd51-8ea4-40a6-b64e-58f3acfee533?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
it will probably end up being more like universes within
Are the godzilla ones in high demand? I believe Nethroi and Illuna are thr only two that hold any weight.
No, my point is that they aren't unique cards. Illuna and Ghidorah are mechanically considered as having the same name. And the cards are printed in such a way that it displays the actual name of the card. Apparently, though, the universes within ones are considered having the same name, even though there's nothing to indicate that on the cards?
The collector's numbers at the bottom identify them as the same card. It's obtuse, and I'd much rather they went with the godzilla method, but the identifier is there.
The sketch secret lair cards are an absolute steal. Knight-Errant is gorgeous too
I love the reg lair version more than the sketch, but hell at those prices I cant argue
Atraxa is one of the best commanders for Phyrexian mechanics and tribal themes so it makes sense. Of course there's likely a Go-Shintai or an Urtet for Phyrexians down the pipeline so you can play Urabrask as well
People complain about 5 color commanders but they also complain about not having a commander that includes all the cards they want.
Different, unrelated complaints I'd say. People want 5c commanders for themes they like, like shrines, but they don't like 5c easy value commanders like Golos or Kenrith who don't require specific sorts of deckbuilding and end up being 5c goodstuff.
Or Najeela
It's weird because Commanders that allow you to just jam good stuff are incredibly popular. I personally hate the Prospers, Aesis, and Krovolds of the world but they always end up popular.
So I get Prosper I'd just a crazy value engine but I never understood the hate for calling him a good stuff commander? He runs nearly all unique cards for a theme he basically created. Every Prosper deck might be similar but a lot of the cards in Prosper don't really have other homes.
Got a Red Terror as soon as translation leaks for "All Will Be One" were out. I always wanted one for the name alone. Glad I got it cheap.
Maybe consider [[war elemental]] as well. Basically the same thing
Bafflingly cheap. Seems hugely commander playable, printed once as a rare in 2003, and now part of an easy infinite combo.
And it's 1 mana cheaper
[war elemental](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea.jpg?1562152211) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=war%20elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/112/war-elemental?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cc32bfc-7d87-46d9-a424-eac64eefd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Looking at the analytics, Huntmaster of the Fells was $15 last year. It seems like the card has fallen into its true value in my opinion. did it spike due to midnight hunt or something?
the quest is interesting. I think I have a few of those. Maybe I'll make a modern deck. I'm so tired of seeing 40k stuff. I wonder if this will just be LOTR or Dr Who in a year.
I get being tired of 40K cards, but I mainly wanted to talk about Mawloc because it's about Legacy. Snuck in The Red Terror as a bonus because it didn't feel fair as a real winner. So already trying to manage those cards a bit.
I appreciate that! I look forward to your column every week.
NGL I saw the title and forgot what [[Mawloc]] was and thought it was [[Magmaw]]. That one dude would be so happy.
[Mawloc](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbec97ff-bb84-4496-9e09-d4fc1570c516.jpg?1673309468) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mawloc) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/133/mawloc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbec97ff-bb84-4496-9e09-d4fc1570c516?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Magmaw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/08c571fe-54ef-4234-98c3-5d4a7b07e7d2.jpg?1547517315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magmaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/138/magmaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08c571fe-54ef-4234-98c3-5d4a7b07e7d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I called it! I told all my homies that a 2-mana fightbear that exiles and scales into lategame was always gonna make waves.
A card that has had a printing and 2 reprints should not be at $60. Wizards, do better.
They need to put it in a Standard set to have any meaningful long-term impact on the price. Secret Lairs don't do anything, and Double Masters 1 was over two years ago.
>Secret Lairs don't do anything They do a little. It's funny seeing them as the cheapest options [[Jet Medallion]] is the biggest drop I think [[Serra Ascendant]] [[Birds of Paradise]] [[Collective Voyage]]
First foil printing of medallion that was mostly propped up from age and lack of printings. The medallions would all be <$5 with a proper reprint
Yep, Secret Lairs are best at bringing down the price when scarcity is the driving factor. A regular reprint will always be better Also, it's totally subjective, but bad art is a factor imo. That's why the [Eli, age 8's BoP](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1148/birds-of-paradise) is the cheapest
For sure, I’m buying what you’re selling here
##### ###### #### [Jet Medallion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f85698a-821f-452d-9e31-e525c0100f2d.jpg?1561947995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jet%20Medallion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/243/jet-medallion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f85698a-821f-452d-9e31-e525c0100f2d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Serra Ascendant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a22ee47-fc56-436d-8570-88fbff421027.jpg?1562845354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Serra%20Ascendant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/31/serra-ascendant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a22ee47-fc56-436d-8570-88fbff421027?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Birds of Paradise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/feefe9f0-24a6-461c-9ef1-86c5a6f33b83.jpg?1594681430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Birds%20of%20Paradise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/176/birds-of-paradise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/feefe9f0-24a6-461c-9ef1-86c5a6f33b83?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Collective Voyage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f2d44f0-c71e-4061-bb7c-1f91fbce8f51.jpg?1562396584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collective%20Voyage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/145/collective-voyage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f2d44f0-c71e-4061-bb7c-1f91fbce8f51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They could put it into a modern masters set too, but the next one of those is 2.5 years away. It isn't like she would break modern by being included.
I feel like this sub goes from "they are printing/reprinting too much," to "they arent printing/reprinting enough" all the time. The time to get it was a few months after reprint, since the card slaps it will only go up.
I'm sort of on both ends. I really think sets should be more liberal with reprints in general. It would not only allow more copies into the economy of the game, but it could also bring down the sheer number of new cards entering as well. The amount of new product is super overwhleming and we're at a point where maybe 1 to 3 cards from a set are remembered or used outside limited and standard. I barely remember any cards from Dominaria, hell even New Capenna I can barely remember the mob names. There's just too much for the average person to keep up with, but i'd feel less inclined to need to keep up if a lot of printing was devoted to keeping cards within the game itself.
The ones complaining about too many reprints care more about their own wallets than the game and thus can be disregarded.
Buy in for modern is $500-$1,000 depending on if you want a playable deck vs a tier 1 deck. The format has had only one pre-con in it's entire existence. Buy in for commander and pioneer is around ~60-$100 for something playable. Format really affects how you view the reprint discussion.
Well, it is a big sub with lots of opinions. I am of the opinion that no non-reserved list card (abolish the reserve list please) should be more than $20.
I wish that was the world we lived in, but sadly fomo and artificial scarcity will keep raising prices. Not to mention buyouts etc With the way wizards is going the last year’ish I’m sure she will see reprint soon. Prob in a another lair during this story arc
Damn right. Cardboard shouldn't be priced like gold.
Was sub $20 for nearly a year. Sub $30 the year after. Sub $40 last year. You’re had plenty of opportunities to pick this up cheap as shit.
$20 is not "cheap as shit"
Sorry you’re poor.
I could be Bill Gates, and $20 for a magic card would still not be cheap as shit.
ok.
printer paper shouldn't be more than $1,l
And I was just thinking of building Atraxa sagas... poor timing on my part.
could you consider cutting the warhammer cards out of these? They seem to take up multiple slots every week and as a small supply and niche interest thing they are not very interesting to read about
Personal opinion: 40K cards are just as valid as reserve list cards or any other card that is unlikely to see reprint soon. It’s also good to see how they do because universes beyond is now just a part of magic we all have to live with. They are commander and legacy legal so they are game pieces we might see even if we don’t like them. And if they go bonkers with price, we should be aware so we can choose to buy the next precons or protest and not get them if we think that’s better.
>small supply and niche interest I can think of a whole bunch of Magic cards that qualify as those things, and personally I find WH40K to be a whole lot more interesting than various Vintage cards I will never own or even see.
I think it's important to keep track of them since them becoming very expensive and difficult to reprint (effectively a second reserved list) was a pretty real concern for Universes Beyond.