By - TheAerialPanda
Somebody say Ruby Ridge?
Separatism cannot be tolerated. It's less tolerable than violence-doing-words of disagreement
You son of a bitch, I'm in.
It's still my favorite scene from the whole show.
This was peak Rick and Morty.
What do you think will happen if no one pays tax’s?
How? Who is going to take care of roads? Hospital’s? Garbage? Schools?
Dude, there are hundreds of years of books on this. Seriously, take some time and read some Thomas Sowell, Mises Institute, and Murray Rothbard and you might understand who will pay for those things in an ideal society.
Who will? And I have looked into this so please explain
There you go
Who takes care of your food? Your phone? Your internet? Your chair?
Just purchase goods and services lmao
There is a big difference there…
I know. The difference is that the roads, hospital and garbage are shit... because they're public, or heavily regulated.
Traffic jams are what happens when governement provides roads and private enterprise provides cars.
So what will happen with roads without government
They get maintained by private business that see convenience in having good transportation, as it builds customers.
The difference is that the consumer would be paying for those roads and services through purchasing what the businesses provide. It's basically just a lite version of consumption taxes, which I'd say most of us have no problem with. We just don't particularly enjoy income taxes.
We don't want stuff for free, we want the government to screw off and leave us alone, so we actually have more of what's ours in the first place.
So what you’re saying is people are just gonna have a good roach out of the goodness of their heart
Nope. For profit roads. Charge a toll, maintain the roads. Works better than public roads, and much cheaper, all over the world.
Does Coke give you soft drinks out of the kindness of their hearts? Do you work just for the sake of helping people for no wage?
I fill the hospitals
I rebuild the garbage
I take out the schools
and I educate the roads
With what money?
Tax's Tack Tax. He charges people extra for buying tacks.
Can't say I've met this "tax's" that you speak of
Just a joke about tax evasion
People will form cooperative groups of paying for services that they use. No more forcing people who don't have children to pay taxes for schools, no more forcing people who don't drive to pay taxes for roads. If you want fire protection, great, pay the fire protection fee. If you don't want it, that's fine too.
What about the police? And trash build up?
Rule #1 the police are not there to protect you. Legally, they're not required to risk their life in any way to protect yours. The good ones will do it out of the kindness of their hearts, but the bad ones just issue tickets.
Private trash companies, or you can buy a dump truck yourself and collect your neighbor's trash once a week and make a healthy profit. Just don't charge too much, or someone else will also buy a dump truck and you'll have competition.
And then where does the trash go?
Private landfill or burned. What happens to all trash and most recycling today.
What about safety about things like food and planes, also drinking and driving. There is also the issue of stealing and murder.
We are on a libertarian subreddit right? Surely you've heard of the societal nonaggression principal (NAP)?
If you violate it by risking other people's property or life, then that protection is no longer afforded to you and you can be robbed, ridiculed, or killed without repercussions.
This is all radical libertarian stuff, as most people would prefer a small amount of government to ensure mob rule does not take over and enforce punishment (who wants to ruin a new suit because they were one of three witnesses to a man beating his wife?), which would cover stuff like basic food safety, police investigations, and foreign defense. Everyone has their own opinion on the size and responsibilities of a government, so I'm just giving some general examples.
Private trash companies and private landfills are already a thing. My city has a god awful trash service, so a private company came in and started competing. The city decided to put in an ordinance BLOCKING people of the city from using any other services. After several years, we finally got it repealed, and now we can use the better service.
Hope this drives the point home.
I was referring to the rags about it
What happens if someone can’t afford to pay the taxes for their trash service? What happens then? Oh yeah, they get fined more money and eventually go to prison if the person can’t pay that.
Even a city funded trash service is not free.
Have a legal precedent for leaving trash on another person’s property. Make the crime associated with violating other people’s property rights rather than making it a crime to not pay the government mafia.
Or even on a local level, make it an “opt in” city trash service. Where you only pay for it if you use it. This way you can maintain competition and allow people to pick the best service for their situation.
😂😂😂😂 this idea is the epitome of why libertarians are the most laughed at in politics. Y’all spend too much time in your heads dreaming. Dreaming about being that hero with a gun. Dreaming about a selfless utopia. Dreaming women want to sleep with you. It’s foolish.
That’s why I despise freedom and hope to eliminate it wherever it appears.
You read my post about voluntary participation through fees and got communism? You would be paying these fees for services to private companies.... and you got communism out of that? My post was literally about the state fucking off and never taxing us again.......... and you got communism from that??? Communists really are some of the dumbest piles of shit to ever walk the earth.
Taxes are imposed and collected and then the government budgets that money. I said voluntary participation based off of fees paid to private services.
>I know that Reagan era propaganda has convinced the boomer generation to conjure up images of the Soviet Union and gulags whenever they hear the word "communism
Reagan era propaganda? It couldn't be the millions dead from numerous communist regimes and the complete collapse of major economies.... nooo.........
>you have this image in your head that everybody was living peacefully one day
You clearly have zero idea what is in my head.
Even if taxes WEREN’T theft (which they are) the government is too stupid to reasonably spend them. Taxes mainly go to the military, then their own pocket, then the corporations. Plus last time I checked, the roads in my city were shit anyways, taxes don’t mean shit except more money in the higher ups wallets
There’s also things like enforcing regulations to keep you safe and in other countries things like hospitals.
Those regulations don’t make you safe, they make it so they have power over you and restrict your freedom. Think of it as a trickling system. It starts with something small and reasonable, then spirals down little by little until they have total control over you. If they did it all at once, there would be riots.
An analogy for this is the frog experiment. If you put a frog in water, then boil the water, the frog jumps out. If you boil the water extremely slowly, the frog stays because it doesn’t notice the temperature increasing until it gets boiled to death.
I am in school for welding and I can tell you that most regulations are about either about safety or categorization. Tell me one time where rags take your freedom
Look at any act passed by the government since 9/11. And that's just relatively recently.
Name one that takes away freedom
uh Patriot act ? are you like 12 ?
That makes it so the government can listen in on you, doesn’t really take freedom away. Also with no government anyone can do that
Well Bezos has wealth equivalent to 1% of the US GDP. I’m sure if everybody stopped paying their taxes he’d volunteer to use his wealth to take care of everything for us! That’s why tax cuts for the wealthy have been so effective. Because they bolster their local economies with the extra money and definitely don’t just hoard it.
But let’s have the millions of people making 80k/year fight with the millions making 40k/year instead of taking one man’s fair share.
So eat the rich?
I prefer tacos but whatever.
That’s nothing short of hilarious
The issue is they are training ambush style. Besides the plate carrier backpack with an AR pistol. I can’t think of much to do about that. Can anyone else think about it for a bit? Imagine your at the store and suddenly there’s 9 IRS agents pointing at you. My plan, run get out of sight get the plates on and the go offensive hard. Remember the Dallas police ambush, the guy went offensive and moved fast. They couldn’t really do shit till they cornered him. But like I don’t see a way out of that. But it’s something to brainstorm.
Sun Tzu calls this "death ground." It's a tactical position where there is NO retreat. The only chance you have for life this to carve your way through the flesh and blood of your adversaries.
Fuck me, it really is all based.
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You know, this makes a pretty good dog whistle for those who are going to fight back. And planning for the robot apocalypse isn't exactly unreasonable in this day and age...
I definitely would report all my side hustle cash income to the IRS
50 is more like a platoon and a half.
Seriously though, is anyone not paying their taxes? Tax fraud is a bitch.
a battalion of only 50?
They’re just robots, Morty!
Lol. Do you do the same thing after you eat at a restaurant, when they want you to pay the bill?
No one forces you to consume the goods and services provided by America. You can leave a restaurant, and you can leave america.
Got a sovereign citizen here-can’t wait to see how that works out.
I don’t remember restaurants hiding charges for international death squads. I’d like to talk to the manager to take the CIA and their torture programs off my bill, please.
You can leave America this country was founded on war over taxes what the fuck did I just read?
Yes but while I'm leaving (because I can't just walk into countries) I still have to pay involuntarily. The point is being lost by your deliberately 125 degree thinking.
Also I'm actually Canadian, I watch 30% of my low income paycheck vanish every week to pay for roads you can't drive on, healthcare I can't use because wait times are reddited, ei I can't draw on, assistance they won't approve me for. Yay taxes.
Do you remember how America was founded? It was literally a war on tax.
You owe money for the goods and services you consume. Do you think that if you fone and dash, the restaurant has to stop looking for you as soon as you leave because you are no longer committing a crime?
Why the fuck would you go to another country? All countries uses taxes to provide for the goods and services of defence, insurance, and law (among other things). There are thousands of uninhabited islands. That is where you dont pay taxes, and then you dont get any defence, law, or access to fresh water and food. Because without defence and law, no one would ever build anything... you know, because it will be taken from them. Lol. Pay what you owe *and then* you can stop paying *if you leave.* But you are here voluntarily.
I get a receipt at a restaurant and can see exactly what I purchased. I also don't pay for things I didn't order. I especially don't pay for a stranger's meal. If I found out the management staff was buying cheap or expired food to save money and giving the extra cash to their brother-in-law who happens to be the health inspector, I would also have the option to stop giving them my money.
I could go on, but I hope that clarifies for you how erroneous your metaphor is.
Wait, you dont know what you owe and what you pay for in taxes? Those are all posted online baby. You dont even have "market" price for anything. You literally have never seen a CAFR, have you? Lol.
You grabbed hold of one thing and ignored the rest. How typical.
No, because I choose to go to the restaurant and buy food.
Ok. Who is forcing you to live in america or any other country? You know you can just not consume our goods and services, right?
Multiple governments of multiple countries are forcing you to stay in America. The whole world ain’t open borders you know. And you posted like 5 separate comments. What are you on?
There are thousands of uninhabited islands and absolutely any country would accept a talented new citizen. Do you lack talents? Some (but not all) countries will reject you if you are a burden, and it seems like you are.
But why would you go to a country? All of them require taxes. Uninhabited islands do not force you to pay taxes, and you will surely starve to death there, because you lack the goods and services governments provide. That's the real reason you dont move. You know you cant survive without defence and law.
I do if they charge me for things I didn't order.
Such a low class comment. You have never heard of a pre fixe menu, have you? That's what your comment reveals. Well sir, the restaurant in this example is like a buffet. Maybe that's something you are familiar with? So in fact, you have been charged for many things you didnt order. Do you dine and dash at buffets?
None of your examples matter except the fact that you voluntarily ate at that restaurant. Now you want to skip out on the bill. Pay the what you owe **and leave.**
Obvious troll is obvious. Seriously, you stand out more than the basic fed boy at a right wing rally.
Off topic: everyone opposed the the alphabet gestapo agents should start dressing in antifa gear. That way the acronym won’t be so ironic and they can get funded by tech oligarchs with corporate media providing cover for violent acts.
You sound unhinged.
Does your sugar baby pay taxes? I am sure you pay proper employment tax for her too, right? You must be really successful, having income to support a sugar baby *and* watch porn 90% of the day as you posted elsewhere, so I guess the people in this sub have a lot to learn from you. Please keep contributing.
Doesn't matterr. The country you live in pays for your defence and laws. No one forces you to live there. MOVE. There are thousands of uninhabited islands that you can starve to death on, but at least you wont pay for defences and infrastructure.
You don’t pay for defense you pay for Jdams to be dropped on children
You know what they say, "the best defense is radicalizing children." Or something.
Depends on your country. Some Americans think that *is* defence and those Americans outvoted you. Lots of countries do not even have access to modern military bombs, much less use them. YOU ARE FREE TO TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. Seriously. Vite with your wallet bro. You cant steal from your landlord, but you can stop buying by moving.
You piss away your rights and security with your ballot box, I’ll protect mine with the bullet box.
How about no? Ever think about that? Call the government send them more money, I refuse, and I’m very armed and trained. I’ll stay in my ancestors land, you go back to yours
“I am free to take my business elsewhere,” you’re half right, I am free.
Lol. Your "ancestors" land is many places far from America. But I know. You want to benefit from the defence and law that I provide, you just dont want to pay for it. You live as a burden to your countrymen. I'm not mad at you. There are plenty of lazy thieves in history, and you are all irrelevant. I feel sad for you, because you just never grew up. You'll never be a man. You'll always be angry at me, your daddy, even though I am the one that provides you shelter.
I live in Portland… what law? My family came from Arizona, yeah someone who can’t even spell defense is gonna insult me. Look at the name of this sub ding dong
No one is forcing you to live in portland. If you dont like the goods and services from your government, pay what you owe and leave. Why are you shitting on the place you voluntarily choose to live?
It’s called patriotism dip nuggets, if you don’t like America you can get out. In this country people bled so that I can complain it’s not a difficult concept.
You are not complaining. You are asking to stop paying for goods and services you do not want. Those goods and services *are* your country. The people that "bled"... where do you think they got money from? From me. I paid my taxes because they were doing services (that they should not have been asked to do). I paid my debts. But you want to skip out on the bill. FINE. Of you leave, I'll pay your share. No big deal, but you have to either leave or pay, you know... like a man.
You’re hopeless dude, so you’re proud to have had funded the war on terror? And Boeing, Amazon, stimulus checks and pay raises for AOC?
Sounds pretty unAmerican to me
The IRS will still come after you, for a decade, even if you renounce your citizenship and leave. They will charge you thousands for the privilege of renouncing, and deem all of your assets disposed of and thus taxable on that day, and seek to collect those taxes before you are permitted to leave.
Just like a restaurant will come after you for years for skipping the bill, even if you leave. That's why I said pay what you owe **and then leave.** I am not telling you to dine and dash. Do you understand that?
You are missing the point. You can’t leave. They will continue to tax you even if you give up citizenship and leave. You are also not born in and forced to eat at your restaurant hypo that you seem to want to desperately cling to even though everyone here has explained why it isn’t comparable. Why are you in this sub anyway?
Too bad. A lot of the restaurants you eat at end up handing their cash to people who do things you disagree with, including murder and rape. Have you never heard of the mob? Or money laundering? Geeze dude. Reddit really should not be a place for your basic education homie.
What kind of smooth peach brain comatose comment is this? It's a meme on a meme website, maybe don't learn your sense of humour from paw patrol.
Every restaurant in the world spends its money according to your wishes? Really?
What? You're making no sense. Where in my comment did I suggest anything about how "every restaurant" behaves. No resturant spends money according to my wishes because I'm not op, also I don't own a resturant. However my participation at a resturant is voluntary, and if for any reason I don't like what happens there I take my lowly single patronage and leave. Maybe others follow. It's voluntary and I can just fucking opt out and go support a place I do like.
Anyway I don't know what you're on about, maybe you shouldn't get your basic moral framework and ideology from a for profit (reddit^tm ) companies website
You know that you can take your business with taxes elsewhere too, right? You do not have to live in a place that provides government services. You will likely starve to death without those services, but if you dont like buying those services, then pay what you owe and leave.
I just wish i got the services I pay for. Pay into ei my whole life, claims denied. Pay for healthcare, can't get a doctor or psychologist, or an ambulance or into emergency. Pay for roads (with cars taxed additionally in every used sale if the car was sold 7 times, taxed 7 times), roads are shit. Is 30% income tax when you make below the low income threshold a fair bargain? Cause that's how my province in canuckistan works "just leave" yeah sure, but first let me somehow stop spending 100% of my pay on food, rent, and utilities that I literally HAVE to have hooked up to have the privelige of borrowing a structure.
This is the equivalent of "you don't like the republicans? Then just leave America" nah, how about the place which I had no choice being born in fucking allow me access to the shit I pay for. Taking my money then denying me the services I pay for is literally theft.
If you paid 500 bucks for a tv from Walmart and then they don't let you leave the store with the tv and don't issue a refund, have they not stolen from you?
Taxes aren't inherently a problem, it's taxes levied, involuntarily, for services they deny me access to. If you paid a monthly fee for something you can't use because some fuck nut decides you don't deserve it but gives you no refund, what's fair about that? I'm sure your propagandized mind will be "lol shut up pay taxes and die like everyone else" but it doesn't have to be this shiity way.
I want access to the things I'm forced to pay for, or to not pay for the things I'm not allowed to use for burocratic reasons and nothing of any substance. is that really an unreasonable ask?
You live with the defense, laws, and other goods and services that me and your neighbors pay for. You use our roads. How do you think water gets to your tap? Why do business sell you things? They would not, if any roving street gang could simply pillage them. All those investments are made on the faith that china or scripts wont come take it by force. That's what I pay for, and you absolutely benefit from it.
Dont be a free loader. If you dont want to buy the goods and services America offers, then stop using them. Go places where American law and investments wont protect you. Of course you wont, because you are too poor and too cowardly. You just want the free stuff that I give you and then you have the audacity to shit yourself and cry because I dont give it to you for free.
False. You can leave. You cannot dine and dash, but you can stop incurring taxes any time you want (as long as you leave).
And Australia was founded as a penal colony. Should it always be one? Many things have changed in the last 250 years sir. You dont get to dine and dash just because the location of a restaurant used to be a place where you got away with that.
Of course they do. Why would they skip taxes? You know this is a pro sex work party, right?