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By - kevinowdziej
Gabby Douglas is not capable of gymnastics like that.
I would pick Simone Biles as the GOAT of women's gymnastics.
Were those Chinese-looking fellows who built much of the railroads across the country white? Oh, and 40,000 blacks that died during that war including men from the 54th Black Massachusetts. Do you even read books?
Or watch movies...Maybe he thought Glory was a "woke" reimagining of the Civil War?
The vast majority of European immigrants: “ what the fuck is white? I’m just a Bavarian
Italians st the turn of the last century were not considered white. You know darkish skin.
This is the thing. The definition of “white” will keep changing according to the racist’s mood. If white means “Caucasian”, one could reasonably argue that Persians and some people of south Asian decent are “white” as well
Even if they get their supposed “ethnostate” or whatever, they’ll just find a way to make themselves feel superior because their skin color is the only thing that defines their empty, meaningless life. They’ll just go back to hating the Irish and the Italians.
The pure white folks will keep having LGBT and homeless and mentally ill and disabled kids. Their inner cities will still have crime and violence. Racial purity will still give bigots endless victims to hate.
Whiteness used to be much less about skin tone than culture. Irish immigrants weren’t considered white in the 1800’s, despite usually having a complexion that vampires would envy. They were poor and largely Catholic, which made them “other” in the eyes of the Protestant majority. Most waves of European immigrants have had to “earn” their “whiteness” through assimilation.
Yea it took me moving up north for a while to discover that white people kinda just exist in the south. Folks in the NE seem to group nationality of ancestors.
When immigrants arrived, they tended to move with their kind. Back in the day, you could tell me your neighborhood, and I could tell you your ethnicity.
Depending on when your day was, the accent may have given it away.
My day was the 50s. Not many foreign accents by then.
>In a battle to end slavery, 600,000 Whites died.
I'm pretty sure that some of those whites were fighting to keep slavery.
Hey, at least they’re admitting that the war was about slavery.
Actually... yeah wow that's a big step.
“ThE wAr Of NoRtHeRn AgGrEsSiOn”
Don't hold your breath.
Only white people were lawyers and doctors??? I WONDER WHY
I wonder how many unacknowledged advances by purposefully erased black doctors, engineers, or scientists he uses.
Early inoculations for smallpox in America were based on information from an African slave.
I'm absolutely sure about 40,000 of those 600,000 were black, about half the rest were fighting to keep them enslaved and the vast majority of those on the other side were fighting mainly to preserve the Union.
I mean it is technically correct to say they died in the battle. It doesn't mention what side they were fighting on.
Never ceases to amaze me how little some Americans know about their own history
Ya as a balck American you don't even get to honor/learn about the people you came from or what they did.
It's a fucking disgrace how ignorant a lot of Americans are.
Things are this way on purpose
Your continued education is YOUR responsibility....
Just a bunch of low effort rednecks.
I don’t disagree that it’s much easier to continue the cycle of poverty and ignorance; it definitely is. But we also can’t fail to recognize that the educational failures in this country are by design. That is, the ability of the GOP to feed off of the poorly educated like they have for the past several decades *depends on a poorly educated base*. Failure to improve the educational system is, and has always been, on purpose.
It is. However, the intended erasure and rewriting of history must also be acknowledged. Just look at all the laws currently advancing through state legislatures or being passed to erase and outlaw teaching of Critical Race Theory and the role of institutional racism in US history and US policy.
Nevermind the executive order. Did you read that nonsense?? It made me laugh. Sounded like it was written in the 50’s instead of the last year.
Yeah... They actually turned "don't make white people uncomfortable because of race" into a law. I'd say it's ripped right out of Woodrow Wilson's playbook.
While I agree, the white newspapers in Tulsa the day after the massacre was TWO WHITES KILLED. So it is the history they want you to hear. Always has been.
It’s super depressing to hear they don’t teach a thorough American history in some parts of the country, our school was very detailed. However there is very little excuse for people not to do their own educational plans into what they’re interested in as information is so readily available.
It's because of how we're taught about our history, the other day CNN was playing a special for the anniversary of the Tulsa massacre and my grandma spent the day all pissed off because they never taught her about it in school and my dad pointed out he only recently found out about because of Watchmen (which is how a lot of Americans first heard of it).
I think that’s why they are fighting the 1619 project
I don't get it? Did African Americans invade the country and decided to become slaves?
I really hope this guy is not a judge, because with the same reasoning I can imagine him condemning the victim of a rape to pay her rapist the price of the insemination.
It's not so far off from judges who give rapists paternity rights. Which is a thing that actually happens
I hate this country more and more every day... worst part is I can’t even abandon ship because every where else is pretty much equally shitty
Was gonna say. Thus particular thing is hardly unique to the US. Happens everywhere. Though other countries are def still better than the US in many other ways
Australia is many shitty levels above america. I mean our politicians are bad, but don’t group us the same thanks
No they weren't "all white". Railroads built by Asians. Western ranchers were also Mexicans and blacks. All sorts of immigrants covered a lot of different needs. There were even black doctors educated in Europe. I am amazed at the ignorance and delusion these folks hold dear.
Yeah, I hate that shit the most when I hear it. The west, WAS Mexico until it wasn’t. Cowboys and cowboy culture was Mexican and adapted by whites who came west. And all those mentioned weren’t engineers and what not cause they weren’t even allowed to go to school. Cause oddly, when those rules change, now all of a sudden you have minorities in the sciences.
And what pisses me off the most, is that in every other country on the fucking planet, they have the same science. They have buildings and roads and car companies and movies and all the same shot we have in the states and it isn’t whit American engineers doing all that designing. Especially since our entire countries population isn’t really that big compared to China or India.
I don't want to disagree with you, but your post skirts the line of not acknowledging that colonialism and white supremacy were foisted on almost the entire world.
I’m a half Mexican dude from California. Bringing up your local history, doesn’t and shouldn’t detract from other world events. But I can honestly say that I generally don’t care. I can’t care about the whole world, when my daughters have to deal directly with the effects of that history I spoke of today. If I skirt the line or not. That’s like when a black dude complains about an experience with racism and a gay dude jumps in and says don’t forget he is oppressed too. While that is true, it’s just diminishes what the other person said. The don’t have to take away from each other. I wish the lgbtq+ community all the luck in the world with progressing thier agenda, and I hope shorty situations around the world get better, there is a humanitarian crisis in Yemen right? But when my dark skinned ass get is driving my nice car through small town America, I worry about how I’m gonna get treated if the cop thinks my car is too nice for my skin color not about white supremacy in Montana, let alone a partied in South Africa.
Absolutely it was but the dude basically said it was just the whites contributing to America's growth. That can't be further from the truth. POC, native Americans, and those of other cultures were hampered considerably but they still have made major contributions to this country.
“I’m gonna do what’s called a pro douchebag move”
I love that 600,000 people died to end slavery, as if 300,000 of those people where fighting to preserve slavery.
And not a single good point was made that day
Holy hell 😡
This is so disgusting and tone deaf it makes me angry
Without those slaves working the farmers land that farmer would have never made it. You may have paid for it but you never built it.
This dude is ignorant wtf
Jfc what a shit take
Who is this white A- hole?
I’m on neither side of the reparations debate, but what the fuck.
The biggest argument to me is that the US Government paid SLAVE OWNERS for their loss of property, but didn't pay SLAVES for their government sponsored loss of freedom. That's bullshit.
It's not an easy question, but it's pretty clear that the US government had a moral obligation at the end of the civil war, and as time has dragged on there are more and more wrongs to pay for. We need to stop stealing the futures from black children, and then we need to work out how to make what we did right.
Given the "I didn't own slaves" argument that gets tossed around as well as the "you're not a slave" echo I am curious about how you feel the best way to pay reparations is. Not trying to be an ass but trying to get an opinion. Do you feel that it should be a monetary amount to individuals - And if so, to what level are we talking? Or is truly making the black neighborhoods better and working to improve the way of life the right way?
(100% for repairing the divide and healing but it has been a lot that has happened, intentionally and accidentally and I don't know what right looks like)
The audacity to use the "Well I didn't personally own a slave". As a German I know a bit or two about having a horrible history of my homecountry and I the whole fact that Germany did such awful things is still ingrained in us. Yes, most of us weren't alive back then, but I have never heard anyone say stuff like "Well I didn't kill those millions of innocent people". Because that is not even up for debate. Obviously most people alive today weren’t involved in the holocaust or in keeping slaves, but that doesn't mean that we can't do anything to repay the victims/their descendants of those crimes.
A start is to fund schools out if a general education fund and not out of property taxes from the neighborhood. Then increase the per student funding for black students in public school. This will help counter the education deficit that developed through red lining and property tax school funding. Then offer Pell grants to college.
Incentives banks to loan to back businesses, to counteract for decades of loan discrimination. And change estate tax laws to make it easier for black families to accumulate inherented wealth, to make up for decades of estate laws that taxed small ( predominantly black) estates more heavily.
Do this for however many generations it is required for the equivalent of back pay.
I like the changes starting to take place within the government, like external audits of practices for racial bias so that those problems can be corrected. I think that was the department of agriculture, but I hope other departments (especially those that similarly dole out resources) follow suit.
A spotlight on (and change in) those processes will make a huge difference in opportunity equity.
I don’t have to do shit. I don’t condone any of it and I don’t support anything racist. So I’m not going to work out how to make what “we” did right. You cant make up for the past, and even if you could, who decides when’s enough? Because I can go on and on about aboriginal cultures in Australia and how youth in the city expect money and government incentives and they still choose to break the law and get thrown in prison. Yet you go speak to aboriginal elders in rural communities and they’ll tell you the problem is the government giving too much to them and not making them earn it
So...if I rob a bank or steal all my neighbor’s jewelry (and I’m found out), but then give it out to my kids or community and then die before they can charge me, nobody has to give any of it back?
Cool. In fact, shouldn’t have to pay it back at all, even if I live. “You can’t make up for the past” after all. I called dibs on those jewels, so they’re mine now.
Wtf really? Why is so hard for whites people to admit hey we really took advantage of y’all here is a special grant only people of color qualify for to get their first family home or fucking something god damn this has gone on long enough
reminds me of a post in r/asklatinamerica that told us to change the word negro (black) because it sounded too much like the n word, it's like "hi, we took your perfectly fine word and made it a racist slur, oopsies, anyways can you change you language to clean up our mess for use, kisses!"
Because it would mean admitting that their ancestors weren't some holier than thou miracle workers. It would mean admitting they were just too fucking lazy to work their own farms.
That’s exactly what is was though. At any point they could have paid them a wage and treated them fairly at any fucking point for along time.
But my ancestors came from different countries and therefore didn't participate in that vile practice.
Okay but can’t we still admit that it was fucked up and should have never happened? My ancestors came from Panama 🇵🇦 but here I am still denouncing it.
Oh absolutely. It was extremely fucked up and breaks my fucking heart to think about what these poor people had to go through because of something so stupid.
There are people that didn't participate in slavery. In those cases, only thing that explains their racism is they are assholes.
Here's a list of about 150 things (I'm sure there's more, but this link only has 150 on it) that were either invented/innovated by Black people
Use it whenever you come across a white dumbass like this guy right here.
This guy sounds like a real big-brained understander of history and economics.
This is what happens when whitewashed movies and TV are how you learned “history”. Asian immigrants built the railroads, more than 25% of “cowboys” were black and brown peoples. This country was built on the backs of exploited minority workers.
This is a prime example of how shitty our country teaches history. I'm sadly one of those poor students. Ex. I never heard of the Tulsa Massacre until last year. So many things that are vitally important to know about your history is simply invisible. Then when people say, "Hey, we should teach this!" A bunch redneck, racist morons start clutching their pearls and cry that they're trying to "erase white history!"
You know some of these asswipes are Russian and they say these bullshit, horrible things to get the people in the U.S. to turn (even more) against one another. Trust me, I'm not saying that is the case with this douchebag as I've seen and heard too much crap like this irl. I'm so tired of these people-I wish they would just crawl back into the deep, dark hellhole they crawled out of. Just go away.
HOLY SHIT thats a WILD stance
What about all the black scientist/ doctors/ sdiers that have been almost forgotten even though they have done alot. We cant forget about them.
Your questions aren’t answerable by strangers on Reddit. You’re literally talking about a dynamic (chattel slavery in the US) that is ingrained in America’s fibre. Without slavery, specifically of African slaves but more broadly any slavery including natives Americans and eastern Asians, there would be no United States. The states are united by force after a civil war literally about slavery. It’s ok to not look for a debate online about that. I don’t have any suggestions off the top of my head, but I’m confident you’ll find more theories on reparations on google. A search of the situ with Germany and Namibia might be a cool place to begin.
That was for the genocide of the Herero and the Nama peoples. Easy there to distribute reparations because they have no large immigrant populations. ere, would we exclude Dominicans and Haitian? Blacks who arrived after slavery ended? The is a very complex question that will not be solved with easy answers. My family came over in 1890. What do I have to do with this?
I’m not sure that you caught the first line of my comment. I agree, these are very complex issues and the venue for discussion is not on Reddit with strangers that you know nothing about, including their racial or cultural background, location, familial dynamic etc etc etc. Please, don’t ever use the word “easy” when discussing GERMANY, themselves unpacking and embroiled in an intense cultural struggle to denounce their heinous recent past, choosing to actually address, as the first coloniser, a financial repayment. None of that is easy. None of any of this is easy. Does that mean it shouldn’t be done? NAH. Just because things don’t fit into the neat packaging capitalism creates by way of service/repayment doesn’t mean they don’t need to be culturally recognised and financially compensated. This individualisation of repayment is an idea that for some reason people think is the only form of repayment. What about developing Liberia, a country created by the American descendants of African slaves? America once financed development of infrastructure. Do you think that if the US dumped money into a corner of Africa to create equity in a land for the descendants of the people that helped build america, black Americans would stay in America just because they’re american? What about fair trading with the countries in Africa that are unable to stabilise and thus create desirable/sustainable places for black westerners to go other than a European country DRC? Kenya? Nigeria? All are unstable and a good deal of the instability is based in economic issues, corruption, government crime....
4 million slaves went to North America, there are now 44 million black Americans from all over the black diaspora that have contributed to the economic and cultural fibre of the USA. But clearly, America is at odds with its understanding of its own heritage and black people are caught in the middle culturally, socially and financially. Re: reperations, use your noggin and think outside the box of your 9-5 job. Reddit won’t provide true clarity, your mind will simmer over it and you’ll forget this convo ever happened.
>The is a very complex question that will not be solved with easy answers.
Absolutely NO ONE who is advocating for reparations or really any form of anti-racist progress would suggest there are easy answers to undo hundreds of years of abuse in a nation built on the backs of slaves and the graves of an indiginous population. Be very careful with easy answers as the only people pedalling those are the ones looking to sweep things under the rug and move on.
Yes Dominicans and Haitians and any other person who migrated to the United States after slavery should be excluded.
They’re going to pay off the farm debt of black farmers, to start with, and try to fix the bias that still makes things harder for black farmers.
Forcing the insurance companies and the city of tulsa to FINALLY pay out on the policy-holders’ claims for their destroyed and stolen property would be another great place to start. Never mind loss of livelihoods and lives.
Then how about redistributing educational funding and resources more equally? Maybe demanding outside audits on textbooks by real professionals in race and history?
If there’s no work or effort required to make things right, what stops anyone (or any corporation or agency) from continuing to do awful things to people? Because empathy seems to be in short supply.
Sorry replied to wrong comment lol
The War Between the States was about the disruption of the Union. Lincoln would have kept slavery if the South stayed. He came to freeing the slaves late in the game. He also suspended habeas corpus and had Copperheads deported to the south. He did some great things but he also egregiously violated the Constitution.
Just to be clear, [slavery was a very very major reason for the civil war.](https://youtu.be/nkb8leUD2Uo?list=PLXdULyBkaPQiCUJmX3ojBzM7fd-d2xzXg&t=46)
All you have to do is look at the [Articles of Succession[(https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states), essentially the "Declarations of Independence" for the Confederate states.
>“For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.”
>“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.”
>“It (restrictions on slavery) advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection(by slaves) and incendiarism in our midst.”
>“…by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery … They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.”
>“Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union … She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.”
Yes, for the South. Certainly not for the North.
“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” - Lincoln
Why was the union disrupted?
lol, exactly. I answered for them with my reply.
God almighty. Do you folks read? Yes, the south left because of slavery. The north started the war to keep the union together. What’s so hard to comprehend?
Mate. My comment: the Union was forced to unify and fought a war over slavery which was the crux of American capital. Your comment: the war was about disruption of the union. My comment: what caused that disruption? Your comment: slavery. Are you fucking crazy?
Did you read the quote from Lincoln, mate?
Lol ok so you are indeed fucking crazy. Godspeed to thee on your travels, America is in an undeclared cold civil war and people like you, divisive and pedantic, do nothing to solidify the country. Wtf is your point? Why are you here other than to irritate, if not to actually debate? You’ve not answered my previous comment discussing reparations and elaborating on your comments on Namibia, but here you fucking are, dicking around on this thread with nothing to contribute. Please do stay exiled in Vegas, maybe the heat can cook your underdeveloped brain a smidge more.
You don’t even know me you fucking judge mental piece of shit. For the North it was about the south leaving the union. Go read a book moron.
And you’re a fucking dipshit that doesn’t understand that the north cared because they couldn’t have a financially independent southern population, when the north was getting pressure from the west regarding slavery as a human rights issue, you fucktard. Lincoln was a capitalist and the capital he was prepped to go to war for was fucking slave money, dickhead. You go read a book like I told your ignorant ass in the first place.
No, I didn’t because you’re a simpleton who replied to his own comment and not mine. Slow down with the speed typing, calm down lol
I get your point, and those are valid questions, but they are often used to invalidate the need for reparations.
Just because it's going to take some thinking doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
I would be curious to know what types of reparations theories are being seriously considered. I assume there are multiple theories on how this could work and the topic is an interesting one.
It really depends on who you're talking to, I think. I've seen people calling for free education to be paid for out of a fund for ancestors of slaves. The housing thing someone else mentioned is another.
But I think more and more, black history scholars and black civil rights groups are calling for direct payments to descendants of slaves as the only fair compensation. It's seen as stolen labor wages that the US Government let happen for almost 100 years and they are owed money.
If that has happened to an individual, they would be compensated so why treat a whole population any differently? The amounts and how to determine ancestry would be an issue and that's up to the government to figure out.
I think the man that makes the most sense is Cash payment that is the difference between the wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans on average. And those who receive these reparations would have to be able to show some sort of proof that they are the descendants of American slavery.
Cash? Really? I’m for reparations, but that is an ultra stupid idea. Give a poor person 500 bucks and they’ll pay rent. What does that do? Honestly, not much.
Fix the infrastructure and the communities that black Americans were redlined into. Personally, I don’t feel that reparations should be made based off of ancestry, but rather off of impact racism has had on their life. Because this is such a difficult thing to apply to an individual, it is exponentially better to work on black communities.
"how would reparations work?" well the US government would pay what it owes for wealth generated by people that were never compensated. That's pretty much it.
I have thought reparations should come in the form of free education and maybe some land/real estate. I feel a cash stipend is a short term solution for what was really taken from them - a future. An education and interest free government loans for the purchase of a new home/business would be a good start. How they determine who is eligible is another matter altogether.
Any time reparations are mentioned in Congress it's usually in an effort to establish an official committee that would research and draft legislation accordingly. The problem is that (a little less than) half of congress immediately takes up arms against it and prevents the research to begin with.
It's very doable, it's just intentionally not being done.
BTW slave owners were paid by the government after slaves were freed; it's not the slaves fault they were never given what they were promised and that the problem is seemingly too large. They (their descendants) still deserve what they are owed, and even those who were not descendants of slaves still faced years upon years of mandated oppression which has caused huge inequality of minorities vs white people due to a lack of generational wealth.
I agree completely that not only were they denied education, land, but generations have been oppressed well after the Civil War. Neighborhoods denied access to POC, businesses would not hire POC, lands owned were taken away. Segregation has been harmful. I get it completely. There existed 100 years of oppression before the Civil Rights Act even attempted to right some wrongs.
I think a huge problem is determining who is a descendent when so many didn't even have birth certificates back then. Blacks were chattel. Do we credit ALL people of color in that case? Are those whose families immigrated here after 1970 eligible? Where do we draw lines?
I have no problem with a rational system of reparations but I do think there needs to be a system for determining eligibility. Giving someone a wad of cash just for being black (maybe they moved here in 1994) isn't really reparations. I would love the black communities to come up with viable plans. Hell, they probably already have. And the longer we wait, the more ancestors there will be. This is long overdue. Meanwhile the rest of us can keep trying to alter the minds of the Congressional racists and naysayers.
All black people living in the US right now have been subject to the oppression that has occurred and the oppression that is still occurring.
They deserve equity. Whether it's cash payments, investments into minority-dominate communities, education, whatever would be up to legislators to decide, but again, any time it's tried it's shot down.
Though all black people living in the United States are likely victims of racism they do not all deserve preparations because they are not all the descendants of slavery which is the act that we are talking about giving reparations for. If you want to deal with the racism towards black Americans as a whole there needs to be a separate answer to that that is not reparations.
You lost me with the part of about other people of color getting reparations as well. The only people who should get reparations are African Americans who are the descendants of American slaves for slavery and Native Americans for generations of genocide stolen land. Anybody who has migrated to the country after those events should not receive reparations . that includes voluntary immigrants from Africa.
I think you're being a little facetious, it's a much more complicated issue than 'pay what it owes'. It's difficult to say who is owed and how much since you have to establish genealogy, how much wealth they generated and how to effectively distribute the reparations, amongst however many other factors many of which would be contentious and speculative.
There's probably no perfect way of repaying the groups who were most impacted by slavery since the damage was so long lasting and insidious, but I would think that the most effective way would be by investing in areas with high populations of people who descended from slaves, rather than outright giving payouts to people who could prove that they're descended from slaves.
>There's probably no perfect way of repaying the groups who were most impacted by slavery
but there is one really, really bad way of going forward. That would be leaving those people who suffered without anything at all, and letting the generational wealth from slave owners continue to reward their descendants, untouched. Surprise surprise, that's whats happening. Pretty much any option, including the one you suggested, is going to be more just than inaction.
Read my other reply. I don't feel like typing it out again.
>half baked opinion
It wasnt a battle to be freed
It was a battle to stop them from being freed, and your ancestors were the only ones keeping it going
The only reason they could do any of this is because Blacks died for America’s foundation. These people really don’t understand just how utterly dependent America was on free Black labour, so much so that they were willing to die for it.
Wwwwwwwoooowwwwww that is some blatant white supremacy
If a person is ignorant this condition can be remedied by education. If a person is stupid, well as the comedian said, "You can't fix stupid."
Is this a post pro slavery or anti black people?
“We did all this while the blacks picked cotton”
Why would they choose to pick cotton instead of helping smh
Weren't African American solider put in the front lines before battle? Therefore first ones to be shot. Extremely sad.
Going all in with the BS
That could be the most racist tweet in history
The Civil was was essentially about the economics of the south. The southern plantation owners required the enslavement of blacks to maintain their way of life. Without black families to work in the fields for free, providing a shack and some food does not count as wages, as slaves their economic system would collapse. Think about that! The south fought a war to allow the continuation of slavery for profit. Image how the Confederate Battle Flag is a reminder to every black person of that history and maybe we can start to understand why it should be relegated to the dust bin of history along with the swastika.
Why even do reparations? Does know one know what happened the last time we did reparations?
On top of that wpulda hit him with the “off brand bill nye lookin ass” at the end
Completely ignoring the fact that there were a ton of black soldiers fighting in that war. Also ignoring the fact that if they did anything besides pick cotton. They'd be beaten or worse. Also also ignoring the fact that if they hadn't had oodles and oodles of free labor from slaves the country would never have become what it is today. Maybe that would have been a good thing.
If you want to go down a mental rabbit hole try an figure out how reparations would actually work. Like I’m not arguing against them, I’m just sayin that it would be unbelievably complicated and I definitely would not want to be the one deciding where to draw the line of who is included and who is not. It’s not exactly cut and dry, almost nobody has ancestors that are purely of one race for a variety of good and bad reasons. It would become a question of how related to a slave an individual is, and even that would have ignore those who are genetically related as a result of pregnancy after sexual assault etc. due to lack of available information. Genetic makeup and expression being as random as it is, combined with less than stellar record keeping during the civil war era and subsequent immigration etc. would make it extremely difficult to know where an individual stands in reference to an arbitrary standard. I can’t even think of a fair way to establish a standard line of who would be included and who wouldn’t in the first place.
>draw the line of who is included and who is not
Here's the line: People who are the descendants of American slaves and self identify on the US Census as Black/African American. That's it. No one else needs to be included or should be. Tools like [Ancestry.com](https://Ancestry.com) make it fairly simple to trace ancestry back to slavery.
Should reparations exclude Black people who migrated to the US after slavery? Absolutely.
Should reparations include people who are the descendants of slaves but could probably pass for white? Yep as long as they themselves identify as Black/African American
Does this moron think that every single black person in the country was a plantation slave before 1865?
Also, The Northern states and Western Territories had plenty of free black people who contributed to building our country. And in cities like New Orleans, some black people had some very prominent positions in society. As for the slaves' participation, if what they did was so easy, why didn't the slaveowners just do it themselves?
Is this fucking dude serious? Whites are due reparations? What a douchebag.
This is why reading is fundamental.
>lawyers, engineers that built America were all white, except those filthy Irish papists.
This is the stupidest version of 'stop hitting yourself' that I've ever seen.
Didnt they only die because of your ancestors?
In all fairness, black people, native Americans, white people, and many other races were used at slaves
Eh they mostly did menial and unskilled labor. I wouldn't really say built, helped? Sure.
Ah yes the old switcharoo ! That seems reasonable
They both have good points, imo.
Edit: I would like to say that I apologize if I came off as racist/arrogant/ignorant. I am none of these I'm just an autistic dude that misunderstood the post and made a statement based on my misunderstanding. I apologize greatly for my words, that is me, but I'm an asshole sometimes and I'm not making light of it. I really am sorry and I can't say it enough. Please pm me if you have anything else you'd like to say to me. Let's be friends, not enemies.
One has a very poor point. Can you figure out which one?
Ms. Presley's opinion is not as good as the other, bc while I agree there should be reparations for the racism and slavery of her people, when the law was changed, the north fought for their freedom, and most welcomed them with open arms into their armed forces. Yes, there was still segregation but our way of thinking was evolving still, and with those things you have to be patient. Also, black people most certainly did not start this country. They were servants, not government officials or pretty much anybody who had a say in settling in places.
The issue I have with this is that these ideas are still being used to undermine and undervalue POC today. And as others have pointed out, it's a false and self-serving narrative that the only things of value in this country came from white people.
Yes but both statements, while only one may be false, are self serving narratives. Also, I don't undervalue POC, and I most certainly don't use my prior statement to undermine them.
"Black people didn't start the country"
Immediately, do you not see how that has been used over and over again to undervalue black people? Plus African slaves have been here from the beginning! What about Crispus Attucks, all of the black Americans who fought in the American Revolution, BBQ, pretty much all modern music, and a bunch of other stuff?
They had literally no say in the start of the country. Yes, they helped, but against their will. How is that undervaluing them?
But many of them did serve through their free will. Or they escaped and fought for Britain.
Right and I wish their stories were being told.
But you realize that part of why their stories aren't told is becoming this idea that they contributed nothing of importance?
You couldnt be more wrong about that.
..... Did Crispus sign the declaration of independence or the constitution?
Nope, he was busy being dead? Can you fucking read, dude?
Did Mr. Attucks send literal hate mail to the king of England basically telling him "fuck off, we're a country now?"
How you managed to cram so many bad takes and ignorance into one paragraph is actually impressive.
Actually, I was pretty vague BECAUSE of the racism and hatred and killings of black people all the way up to now. I said most, not all. Of course there were still racists in the north, and of course the north didn't see them as fully human or human at all. I am aware of all this. I was simply stating facts that backed both statements as they were presented to us. One: black people absolutely deserve reparations for everything we have put them through. We stole them from their homes, their families, and put them to work against their will, even killed them for fun or sport, like that crazy old lady from AHS Coven (I forgot her name lol). Every human no mater the skin color is just that, human. No different amount of melanin can change that. Ever. Which is why I am disgusted to see that there is STILL racism and bigotry rampant throughout this great country. Two: I was just stating the facts that white people were the ones that started the war against the English to break off from them and create our country. I just wish that slavery never existed. I hate being in this country for a lot of reasons and slavery and racism is my biggest one. Because, and y'all don't know this, but I have black lineage. I'm only a sixteenth but it's still something, I think. In sorry if my statement came off as ignorant or racist, I'm just a logical thinker. Again, I apologize.
They did the work. White people could not have had such big farms on their own. Credit goes to the people who actually did the building and the farming.
Absolutely correct. As I stated in another comment thread, I thought we were talking about you know the American government and stuff. Not like actually building things with hands. I'm autistic so I got those definitions crossed. MY BAD
I don’t agree in reparations, but the bigot has a poor point.
One more thing, they were enslaved. They had no choice in the matter. However, the white people who ACTUALLY built America spent all their hard earned money and sometimes their lives for our country to prosper.
White people in the south didn't ACTUALLY build shit. Just because you say "I want a farm" doesn't mean you built it or farmed it. The ACTUAL builders and farmers were mostly black people.
I absolutely agree. Again, autistic person here, got wires crossed.
Fuck I wish I could like to a public apology that everyone in this comment thread can see. Lol like I literally misunderstood what was said.
You can edit the original comment and add an apology there.
Oh thanks. I'm still learning stuff about this app.
NP. You can also delete your own comments and posts if you want to
There's too many, lol I was being a jerk to a lot of people........ And I'm not too proud of it.
Jesus christ you talk about "hard earned money" when talking about slave owners? Who worked hard to earn them their money? Who gave their lives to produce money for those hard working white people?
Ahem..... Sorry I called you dipshit.
Ok not everybody was a fucking slave owner, dipshit. What about the doctors and shoemaker and blacksmiths and soldiers etc.? You're glossing over the people who literally had no need for slaves, who were a huge part in helping with the emancipation of slaves.
Did those shoemakers contribute more to the country than literally building the white house and the capitol?
How can you say slaves didn't "ACTUALLY" build America when they literally built many of our landmarks, and funded the US growth into a super power?
When I say slavery funded the growth of the US into a super power, I mean that literally.
>The bodies of the enslaved served as America’s largest financial asset, and they were forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent. The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region. The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region.
The wealth of all Americans was built on the back of slaves. Those shoemakers and blacksmiths were paid in money stolen from black people by forcing them to work at the threat of violence.
Ah you're saying built as in built with hands. Oh yeah, hands down lol we were fucking lazy back then. Fuck yeah in that case black people absolutely built our country. I thought we were talking about like.... Forming the country. Lol I feel stupid.
Do you think there were no black blacksmiths or shoemakers? Do you think that there were no black people who tended to the sick? Who do you think midwifed the babies and cared for the sick on plantations? Who raised the white children? Why does a white blacksmith get credit for "building" America and not a black one? Oh, and some doctors had slaves, btw. White people of meand often had slaves as house servants, or just to do chores like taking care of the horses and keeping the house repaired.
Well no..... Look lol i already admitted I was wrong in another thread. Please stop I'm literally fighting a losing battle bc I misunderstood what was being said.
Like I'm about to cry because I feel really bad for not like reading and re-reading the post to make sure I understood it before commenting. Please stop.... I'm aware of everything everyone is saying. I was specifically talking about the signing of the declaration and the constitution.