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I initially believed the mother too and you really should not argue with millions when such cases are complicated & you haven't witnessed it yourself. It's a known fact that many Indian kids complain about their parents being abusive & it's a normalised behaviour here. I have read her family too said she wasn't stable enough. Naming the whole country is not good, we wouldn't like that about India too especially when we so many such cases against Indians here in India by foreigners. Fighting for such a film where the trailer ends with such a dramatic dialogue of I don't know if I am a good mother or a bad mother, but I am a mother. Seriously, you want to defend that shit? There are many serious cases/issues where you can talk about & defend India.
You really thinking a mother would hit a breastfeeding child who isn't even 1 year old?? Even in India mothers (well sane one) don't do that. And it was found nowhere that she was hitting the child either. And who tf is defending India?? I wasn't attacking or defending any nation, just saying what happened was wrong
We have parents here who start hitting child usually when they start hitting there puberty stage.
Dude...pregnancies are complicated...there's a rush of hormones involved and it can result in post-partum depression. In such case the mother can hurt her own infant.
Just 2 days before a woman committed suicide, in Kerala ,along with her 7 year old after she lost her infant due to choking on breast milk.
This was after she lost a previous kid during delivery and was under depression.
So yes, if the mother isn't mentally stable, the child should be seperated from her.
I know stories of mothers with mental issues (could arise during birth) have killed their own kids. My mother too suffered schizophrenia after the birth of my brother. She ignored him and the extended family have helped us. Yeah anything is possible. Don't believe anyone's stories blindly because they are mothers.
So you never heard about ppd?
Or mothers killing their babies?
Maybe do a little research
When a person is not stable enough It's better to take the child away
Even if that person is the child's mother
A child should be protected from any kind of abuse ( even emotional abuse)
Ever heard of infanticide?
Sane people wouldn't do it, if she was insane how she managed to live 10 years without any problem with her kid? And why Norway goverment gave her kid back to her?
There government is not like ours
My sane mother who i love beat me coz she was so angry
Not at me
I was just the easy target
Just coz she lived with her kid for 10 years Doesn't mean she never abused the kid
Even if she never abused the kid before Doesn't mean she can't do it now or in the future
As far i know when government take away a child they give the parents ways to get the child back
Parenting class or something
I'm not sure
Bt whatever was the conditions to get the child back and prove she can be good for the child
I'm sure she did all that
From your wording it seems you Don't understand how abuse work
Bt Trust me if you even suspect there is a little element of abuse It's better to make sure the child is safe
Also you can give me information about the case
I need to understand what happened
She never abused the kid tho, So u going punish someone just because they might do something wrong in future great logic. Also don't forget they gave the child back.
Let it be
There is no point
Also if i knew this was all about a stupid movie i wouldn’t have wasted my time
If you ever wish look up Nina aouilk
And her life story
It's about a movie?
All i can find is that there were allegations that children were beaten
Which is normal for india
Lol
Beating children is cultural difference
Beating is abuse
No matter who beat you It's abuse
Just cause we normalize abuse Don't mean It's not
I can understand the eating with hand part
Yes that's a proper culture difference
Also it seems likes kids were placed with uncle and grandfather
So they were with family the whole time
Was there a case Against their government in india?
If it comes to india vs Norway of course they Will give the children back
They are not gonna interfere with international politics for 2 indian kids
We have this thing about parents can't be bad parents
While we Asians are famous for honour killing
Seriously?
If mother was doing something illegal by Norway's law why would they give baby back ?? That's not how law works. Like tomorrow if Indian government go around asking for any Indian kid there goverment will just hand it over to us???
Also no one here is saying Indian parents beating there children is right, but does every other asian Africa Indian does? Yes.
I just read the post by their ambassador
I know you Don't understand abuse or why children are more important than adult
Bt i do not believe that any country will take away a child for eating with hands or sleeping in the same bed
I read comments made my indian under that post
Them explaining with out the evidence of abuse government Won't take the child away
And only evidence of physical abuse
No government take away children for verbal or emotional abuse
They should though
I Don't know what happened in their abuse
Bt if i had any doubt about a child being abused and knew the government could help the child
I would have tried
It's great if after the investigation everything is fine
Bt if everything is not find at least now the government could save the child
>I know you Don't understand abuse or why children are more important than adult
>I Don't know what happened in their abuse
Nvm have a good have dear, my bad
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The it's illegal to feed your children or sleep with them in the same bed is false lmao. Ambassador Hans himself said that he feeds his kids too & it's normal in Norway to do so. Now we think of it, it sounds ridiculous that her kids were taken away from her & the reason she [I think she only gave, right] was that because I feed my kids with my hands Norwegian authority call it as abuse.
All i can find from the other indian redditors is
She publicly beat the kid with Autism and someone reported her
When the case workers talk to the kids and husband they said the same
According to the husband ( who i Don't think is a good person)
She was beating the autistic kid coz the kid Won't behave
That's all i can find
Any official information regarding the case will be forever protected coz this is a case of a minor
I have seen parents do that unfortunately. And there is no way you, I or anyone who hasn't witnessed this personally know what happened, one cannot be sure at all.
Nordic countries in general are at top when it comes to child welfare. Same thing happened with many non-Indian families too. You cannot 100% believe here anyone, any side.
The case must have solved! There must be many families who got their children back once the investigation was done, if the parents are capable enough & so on. We may never know the facts from any side.
You ended up looking stupid and nothing else, I went through the whole thread and your arguments are juvenile and border on trolling.
You expect proof of child abuse to be provided on public platform like it's an show? You seem to have no idea of how abuse even works cause you say she took care of her kid for 10 years, how can she be abusing the kid? Abuse can last for an lifetime and wont be known to the outside world.
You openly say that Indians are okay with beating their kids, ya maybe our previous generations cause they were stupid and didnt know better. If the present generation are still beating their kids then they are idiots and nothing more. It has been repeatedly shown that violence towards kids at young age induces trauma and nothing else, so basically parents are violent and since kids are easy target they are takin it out on them.
That one guy who said there is an rise in hindu whatever since modi came, you didnt reply to him and that comment was out of line and you ignored it.
India is just now starting to come to terms with mental illness, child abuse and government intervention in child abuse is an alien concept to many of us. We are still stuck in mother knows best or family knows best in all scenarios which sometimes isnt the case.
They claimed she was being abusive to the kid in the letter.
But then also gave the child back. I really don't get it if she was being abusive why would u give it back. Now they claiming she was being abusive while literally there is no public proof of it. What am I not getting here?
Let's just say she was abusing why tf she is keeping the baby , why would they let it happen at the end.
>You openly say that Indians are okay with beating their kids,
Yes cuz i didn't want to lie, we all know Indian parents beat there children usually around puberty. Maybe not all but there r alot
>That one guy who said there is an rise in hindu whatever since modi came, you didnt reply to him and that comment was out of line and you ignored it.
I didn't ignore anything, thread was already locked , what am I supposed to do now?
Oh didnt know it was already locked by then, sorry about that.
I dont have much idea about the case and I know their barnevernet is notorious for taking away children for the slightest of reasons.
However in such instances it is pointless to go into generalisations since they tend to be conflated into national/cultural ways of upbringing and it becomes us vs them and you will always have few morons saying this is because of rise of hindu nationalism and modi etc and sadly that is how most of social media works.
In one article it mentioned that her abuse was raising her hand to hit the kid and other was kid banging head on the floor, I accept this is absolute nonsense of a reason to take away a kid from their mother. I am not speaking for their system. I am in a way trying to explain why your points even though valid comes across as troll because it seems more like an emotional outburst rather than factual arguments.
Stick to the point that Barnevernet is totally flawed and provide news articles which shows it's double standards. Do not let random commenter diverge from that point and let it turn into something of an cultural clash, every last one of them has an morally superior stance and in their core look down on others in general.
For example mother was maybe mentally unstable so what? That is a very good reason to take a child away, since there are cases where a mother kills a child as well. Was she clinically diagnosed as being mentally unstable by an independent psychiatrist?
How can you expect them to keep mother/child together in same house and monitor them till child grows up? These seem more like emotional outbursts rather than logical thinking and that is my whole point.
They claimed i was a troll and locked the post even tho i was replying everyone respectfully, never attacked there country (alone siding the victim shown in Norway movie) . I got like -(900~1000) karma from that post alone because i was keep replying, but i am glad atleast so many people read what i typed.
>They claimed i was a troll
To discredit you & delegitimize your opinions & arguments. It's a common smear tactic. People will use a range of political buzzwords & allege you are a fascist/racist/misogynist/conspiracy theorist/religious fanatic etc. No point trying to have a debate or discussion with a dumb mob
It's not just the Indians being targetted. All immigrants are being Targetted.
The ones with weaker external affairs would be prone to be targetted more!
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458
Not gonna lie but to them you were a troll if you see it from a country perception.You were truthful to Indian emotions though they don't understand that at least what I perceived from your conversation.
I don't know about Norway's family values
But an Indian movie is really not a hill OP should be ready to die on
Its just not worth it
We all know what kind of shitty people our movie industry is full of
I haven't watched it, but from the trailer it is obviously a one-sided view. It doesn't look well-researched and is using nationalism to get people to watch it. If they had not dragged in the countries, focused on the family and treated the matter delicately I would see some sense in calling it good, but that's not the case. I guess you think its good just because it has a different story.
Another thing, you are putting all Indian mother's on a pedestal. There are plenty of abusive mothers here (just saying in a general sense) - I have seen, heard and even experienced it. So don't stereotype them into some caring, forgiving, always ready to serve goddesses. The Mrs Chatterjee could be one of them or maybe the authorities were in the wrong - no one knows as only side is talking, so best not to judge.
Actually now in a similar way another family is struggling in Germany.
https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/parents-of-indian-girl-taken-away-by-german-authorities-seek-indian-government-help-595443.html
Even the courts said it wasn’t any mistake by the parents but both our external affairs and the German authorities are doing a shítty job.
I know some parents can be insane.
But just because u personally experienced trauma doesn’t mean all parents have to be like urs.
Most parents (regardless of nationality) only want what they think is best for their children n love them.
So it need not always be about insane parents but because a particular organisation is too obstinate to accept there can be flaws in their process.
And what the OP said isn’t wrong. Instead of separating the 1 year old child from the mother, they could have easily kept both under observation.
And actually a point to consider is that they couldn’t provide any evidence as to how the mother abused her child. Simply allegations.
Like I said, the authorities could be wrong too. But to paint it with a broad stroke and attack the country is not right. The movie (and OP) has obviously taken a side and are going with the old "All mothers are divine beings" trope of the 80s which, frankly, is pretty stupid.
Also, a mother doesn't have to be insane or mentally unstable to be abusive. Perfectly normal humans do absolutely horrible stuff to their kids - this is irrespective of their culture or nationality.
>Most parents (regardless of nationality) only want what they think is best for their children n love them.
Most - 90% or even 99%. Still that 1% exists and considering India's population that is a huge number.
> Instead of separating the 1 year old child from the mother, they could have easily kept both under observation.
Do you expect them to break their set protocol just because the mother is Indian?
> Do you expect them to break their set protocol just because the mother is Indian?
No. Am saying that protocol itself needs to be amended to what’s best for the child. U can’t just forcibly remove a child from a parent unless conditions are extreme. That doesn’t happen even in wildlife.
Am saying this regardless of if she was Indian or Norwegian.
The protocol should have been better. Just removing the child from its parent without even knowing if the situation is dire or just misunderstood is wrong.
And sometimes culture can be a problem too. My uncle faced problems because his child ate from hand and not spoons. Apparently unhygienic according to one teacher in the child’s school. Mistakes can happen from both sides. To remove misunderstandings, there must be mutual respect.
But to europeans and Americans, unfortunately, sometimes they can’t respect people from “third world”. Not just India but rest of Asia n Africa.
Of course, painting in one broad stroke is wrong and there are lots of westerners who learn/ try to understand different customs n cultures of different people to remove misunderstandings but there are always some who only look beneath at others.
>U can’t just forcibly remove a child from a parent unless conditions are extreme.
Even if the mother is suspected of abusing the child? Read about the case a bit, the pediatrician complained to Norway version of CPS about an injury and the mother was the prime suspect.
>The protocol should have been better.
Maybe. I know very little about Norway and yes, that is a good discussion to be had. But neither the movie nor the OP are talking about the changes they want and are blindly siding with the mother.
>My uncle faced problems because his child ate from hand and not spoons. Apparently unhygienic according to one teacher in the child’s school. Mistakes can happen from both sides. To remove misunderstandings, there must be mutual respect.
Yes I have heard similar stories too. But, there are bad or narrow minded people everywhere. Racism also exists and in that case it is better to call out that person - no need to generalize.
Woman violated a court order of custody after it was proved that she had abused the child in the eyes of the court.
She kidnapped the child to avoid enforcement of the order.
Norwegian courts are fiercely protective of children in abuse cases and if there is abuse custody is very often taken until a workable solution can be found where parents can still be in their child's life without causing harm.
Buuut a mother who has a proven record of abuse is apparently still fit to parent according to OP because mothers always love their kids?.. Loving them does not preclude abuse. Far from it.
The same mother who Norway court claimed to be abusive have raised her child properly in last 10 years.
And Norway goverment refused to give back child in past to her , but when international goverments got involved and asked for proof they gave the child back.
She also came forward after the latter from Norway saying everything what they are saying is false, can't find the actual full video, but here is something i found
https://youtu.be/YNhSaYhQ4a8
Norwegian people have zilch sense of family or anything really. It's a welfare state made on old oil money and America's bitch for protection. Even here in the US, people aren't fond of the Norwegian family ethics. So stop lying please.
You are advocating keeping mentally ill patient with a kid from the comment.
As a physician, this is against everything sane.
We never know how volatile the situation could get.
There r difference kind of mental illness, some people behave crazy because lack of sleep , some people get some trama , some gets become of some external damage, some get become of some birth effect and so on. And behaviour also change from person to person. You can't Just go ahead and take away child from every mentally ill patients. As a physician u really believe we should take away child of every kind of mental illness?Also as a physician wouldn't make her condition worst if we take away her child??
And here they never proved anything about mother causing problem or abusing her child. And also gave it back after the India's involvement.
Lol. Champions of freedom of speech in India and elsewhere got so offended. They can't stop lecturing Indians about *take it as a movie, just accept the flaw and instead of complaining, work towards the betterment* are doing mental gymnastics to prove Norway can't ever be wrong. Our Sepoys are doing overtime in that.
Op you should've just pasted this article by the Norwegian activists and let it be.
https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/3299-indian-activists-mobilize-against-norwegian-barnevern/
Heck, that oped by the Norwegian ambassador doesn't even explain what is wrong, if I had to summarize that article, it would be "I saw the movie, I don't believe it shows all the facts because I can't believe my country would do this".
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This needs to be brought up and shamed in online forums. Now that Norvey is being shown it's true mirrors.
For starters if you feel the same that Norway was wrong, tweet and shame the ambassador.
And downvote the posts in the countries group.
Smearing the mother to justify their horrific actions can be very much expected from these child theives.
Also do you have hard evidence to support smear campaigns and so called "claims" against the mother ..
You can't take sides of the elitist Gora Sahebs just because you feel they are better. This bias is not okay.
Idk man parental abuse is a serious thing.
My dad who is like on top bracket in a corrupt govt job , So a pretty sane person i would assume , used to beat the shit outta me. If somebody would have taken my custody at young age i might have been different from what i am right now. All that violence and hate that i have towards him , i can't man , i just can't express it in words.
I don't care if she(the mother) was mentally unstable, toxicity is still toxicity.
The baby was very small tho (less then 1 yr old) , and there was no sign of abuse, that's why they gave it back. She might abuse the baby in future, but r we really going to punish people for what they haven't done yet?
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I initially believed the mother too and you really should not argue with millions when such cases are complicated & you haven't witnessed it yourself. It's a known fact that many Indian kids complain about their parents being abusive & it's a normalised behaviour here. I have read her family too said she wasn't stable enough. Naming the whole country is not good, we wouldn't like that about India too especially when we so many such cases against Indians here in India by foreigners. Fighting for such a film where the trailer ends with such a dramatic dialogue of I don't know if I am a good mother or a bad mother, but I am a mother. Seriously, you want to defend that shit? There are many serious cases/issues where you can talk about & defend India.
You really thinking a mother would hit a breastfeeding child who isn't even 1 year old?? Even in India mothers (well sane one) don't do that. And it was found nowhere that she was hitting the child either. And who tf is defending India?? I wasn't attacking or defending any nation, just saying what happened was wrong We have parents here who start hitting child usually when they start hitting there puberty stage.
Dude...pregnancies are complicated...there's a rush of hormones involved and it can result in post-partum depression. In such case the mother can hurt her own infant. Just 2 days before a woman committed suicide, in Kerala ,along with her 7 year old after she lost her infant due to choking on breast milk. This was after she lost a previous kid during delivery and was under depression. So yes, if the mother isn't mentally stable, the child should be seperated from her.
I know stories of mothers with mental issues (could arise during birth) have killed their own kids. My mother too suffered schizophrenia after the birth of my brother. She ignored him and the extended family have helped us. Yeah anything is possible. Don't believe anyone's stories blindly because they are mothers.
So you never heard about ppd? Or mothers killing their babies? Maybe do a little research When a person is not stable enough It's better to take the child away Even if that person is the child's mother A child should be protected from any kind of abuse ( even emotional abuse) Ever heard of infanticide?
Sane people wouldn't do it, if she was insane how she managed to live 10 years without any problem with her kid? And why Norway goverment gave her kid back to her?
There government is not like ours My sane mother who i love beat me coz she was so angry Not at me I was just the easy target Just coz she lived with her kid for 10 years Doesn't mean she never abused the kid Even if she never abused the kid before Doesn't mean she can't do it now or in the future As far i know when government take away a child they give the parents ways to get the child back Parenting class or something I'm not sure Bt whatever was the conditions to get the child back and prove she can be good for the child I'm sure she did all that From your wording it seems you Don't understand how abuse work Bt Trust me if you even suspect there is a little element of abuse It's better to make sure the child is safe Also you can give me information about the case I need to understand what happened
She never abused the kid tho, So u going punish someone just because they might do something wrong in future great logic. Also don't forget they gave the child back.
Let it be There is no point Also if i knew this was all about a stupid movie i wouldn’t have wasted my time If you ever wish look up Nina aouilk And her life story
I have no idea why u were debating when u had no idea what r we even talking about. I will look, have a great day
Why are you even wasting your time with low iq people not every one is born with ability to make sound decisions and these days it's specially true
It's about a movie? All i can find is that there were allegations that children were beaten Which is normal for india Lol Beating children is cultural difference Beating is abuse No matter who beat you It's abuse Just cause we normalize abuse Don't mean It's not I can understand the eating with hand part Yes that's a proper culture difference Also it seems likes kids were placed with uncle and grandfather So they were with family the whole time Was there a case Against their government in india? If it comes to india vs Norway of course they Will give the children back They are not gonna interfere with international politics for 2 indian kids We have this thing about parents can't be bad parents While we Asians are famous for honour killing Seriously?
If mother was doing something illegal by Norway's law why would they give baby back ?? That's not how law works. Like tomorrow if Indian government go around asking for any Indian kid there goverment will just hand it over to us??? Also no one here is saying Indian parents beating there children is right, but does every other asian Africa Indian does? Yes.
I just read the post by their ambassador I know you Don't understand abuse or why children are more important than adult Bt i do not believe that any country will take away a child for eating with hands or sleeping in the same bed I read comments made my indian under that post Them explaining with out the evidence of abuse government Won't take the child away And only evidence of physical abuse No government take away children for verbal or emotional abuse They should though I Don't know what happened in their abuse Bt if i had any doubt about a child being abused and knew the government could help the child I would have tried It's great if after the investigation everything is fine Bt if everything is not find at least now the government could save the child
>I know you Don't understand abuse or why children are more important than adult >I Don't know what happened in their abuse Nvm have a good have dear, my bad Edited*
He is a sepoy
The it's illegal to feed your children or sleep with them in the same bed is false lmao. Ambassador Hans himself said that he feeds his kids too & it's normal in Norway to do so. Now we think of it, it sounds ridiculous that her kids were taken away from her & the reason she [I think she only gave, right] was that because I feed my kids with my hands Norwegian authority call it as abuse.
All i can find from the other indian redditors is She publicly beat the kid with Autism and someone reported her When the case workers talk to the kids and husband they said the same According to the husband ( who i Don't think is a good person) She was beating the autistic kid coz the kid Won't behave That's all i can find Any official information regarding the case will be forever protected coz this is a case of a minor
I have seen parents do that unfortunately. And there is no way you, I or anyone who hasn't witnessed this personally know what happened, one cannot be sure at all. Nordic countries in general are at top when it comes to child welfare. Same thing happened with many non-Indian families too. You cannot 100% believe here anyone, any side.
Bruh she wasn't one of them, why else bought they give the child back if she was hitting baby?
The case must have solved! There must be many families who got their children back once the investigation was done, if the parents are capable enough & so on. We may never know the facts from any side.
We already know the fact, she was inocent that's why she got her baby back.
There are stories of mothers literally killing their newborn babies... Are you seriously this naïve?
>We here start hitting child usually when they start hitting there puberty stage. Stop making a fool of yourself. You are literally pajeetmaxxing atm
You ended up looking stupid and nothing else, I went through the whole thread and your arguments are juvenile and border on trolling. You expect proof of child abuse to be provided on public platform like it's an show? You seem to have no idea of how abuse even works cause you say she took care of her kid for 10 years, how can she be abusing the kid? Abuse can last for an lifetime and wont be known to the outside world. You openly say that Indians are okay with beating their kids, ya maybe our previous generations cause they were stupid and didnt know better. If the present generation are still beating their kids then they are idiots and nothing more. It has been repeatedly shown that violence towards kids at young age induces trauma and nothing else, so basically parents are violent and since kids are easy target they are takin it out on them. That one guy who said there is an rise in hindu whatever since modi came, you didnt reply to him and that comment was out of line and you ignored it. India is just now starting to come to terms with mental illness, child abuse and government intervention in child abuse is an alien concept to many of us. We are still stuck in mother knows best or family knows best in all scenarios which sometimes isnt the case.
They claimed she was being abusive to the kid in the letter. But then also gave the child back. I really don't get it if she was being abusive why would u give it back. Now they claiming she was being abusive while literally there is no public proof of it. What am I not getting here? Let's just say she was abusing why tf she is keeping the baby , why would they let it happen at the end. >You openly say that Indians are okay with beating their kids, Yes cuz i didn't want to lie, we all know Indian parents beat there children usually around puberty. Maybe not all but there r alot >That one guy who said there is an rise in hindu whatever since modi came, you didnt reply to him and that comment was out of line and you ignored it. I didn't ignore anything, thread was already locked , what am I supposed to do now?
Oh didnt know it was already locked by then, sorry about that. I dont have much idea about the case and I know their barnevernet is notorious for taking away children for the slightest of reasons. However in such instances it is pointless to go into generalisations since they tend to be conflated into national/cultural ways of upbringing and it becomes us vs them and you will always have few morons saying this is because of rise of hindu nationalism and modi etc and sadly that is how most of social media works. In one article it mentioned that her abuse was raising her hand to hit the kid and other was kid banging head on the floor, I accept this is absolute nonsense of a reason to take away a kid from their mother. I am not speaking for their system. I am in a way trying to explain why your points even though valid comes across as troll because it seems more like an emotional outburst rather than factual arguments. Stick to the point that Barnevernet is totally flawed and provide news articles which shows it's double standards. Do not let random commenter diverge from that point and let it turn into something of an cultural clash, every last one of them has an morally superior stance and in their core look down on others in general. For example mother was maybe mentally unstable so what? That is a very good reason to take a child away, since there are cases where a mother kills a child as well. Was she clinically diagnosed as being mentally unstable by an independent psychiatrist? How can you expect them to keep mother/child together in same house and monitor them till child grows up? These seem more like emotional outbursts rather than logical thinking and that is my whole point.
They claimed i was a troll and locked the post even tho i was replying everyone respectfully, never attacked there country (alone siding the victim shown in Norway movie) . I got like -(900~1000) karma from that post alone because i was keep replying, but i am glad atleast so many people read what i typed.
>They claimed i was a troll To discredit you & delegitimize your opinions & arguments. It's a common smear tactic. People will use a range of political buzzwords & allege you are a fascist/racist/misogynist/conspiracy theorist/religious fanatic etc. No point trying to have a debate or discussion with a dumb mob
It's not just the Indians being targetted. All immigrants are being Targetted. The ones with weaker external affairs would be prone to be targetted more! https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458
Not gonna lie but to them you were a troll if you see it from a country perception.You were truthful to Indian emotions though they don't understand that at least what I perceived from your conversation.
I don't know about Norway's family values But an Indian movie is really not a hill OP should be ready to die on Its just not worth it We all know what kind of shitty people our movie industry is full of
This isn't even a bad movie. Even if u ignore all the controversy, we rarely see such good movies from Bollywood and they always end up flopping
Because all the good movie lovers have moved onto korean or American movies or netflix or torrent No one with good taste follows bollywood anymore
I would rather watch Shawshank Redemption a 100 times, than watch any mainstream Bollywood movie.
See, exactly
I haven't watched it, but from the trailer it is obviously a one-sided view. It doesn't look well-researched and is using nationalism to get people to watch it. If they had not dragged in the countries, focused on the family and treated the matter delicately I would see some sense in calling it good, but that's not the case. I guess you think its good just because it has a different story. Another thing, you are putting all Indian mother's on a pedestal. There are plenty of abusive mothers here (just saying in a general sense) - I have seen, heard and even experienced it. So don't stereotype them into some caring, forgiving, always ready to serve goddesses. The Mrs Chatterjee could be one of them or maybe the authorities were in the wrong - no one knows as only side is talking, so best not to judge.
Actually now in a similar way another family is struggling in Germany. https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/parents-of-indian-girl-taken-away-by-german-authorities-seek-indian-government-help-595443.html Even the courts said it wasn’t any mistake by the parents but both our external affairs and the German authorities are doing a shítty job. I know some parents can be insane. But just because u personally experienced trauma doesn’t mean all parents have to be like urs. Most parents (regardless of nationality) only want what they think is best for their children n love them. So it need not always be about insane parents but because a particular organisation is too obstinate to accept there can be flaws in their process. And what the OP said isn’t wrong. Instead of separating the 1 year old child from the mother, they could have easily kept both under observation. And actually a point to consider is that they couldn’t provide any evidence as to how the mother abused her child. Simply allegations.
Like I said, the authorities could be wrong too. But to paint it with a broad stroke and attack the country is not right. The movie (and OP) has obviously taken a side and are going with the old "All mothers are divine beings" trope of the 80s which, frankly, is pretty stupid. Also, a mother doesn't have to be insane or mentally unstable to be abusive. Perfectly normal humans do absolutely horrible stuff to their kids - this is irrespective of their culture or nationality. >Most parents (regardless of nationality) only want what they think is best for their children n love them. Most - 90% or even 99%. Still that 1% exists and considering India's population that is a huge number. > Instead of separating the 1 year old child from the mother, they could have easily kept both under observation. Do you expect them to break their set protocol just because the mother is Indian?
> Do you expect them to break their set protocol just because the mother is Indian? No. Am saying that protocol itself needs to be amended to what’s best for the child. U can’t just forcibly remove a child from a parent unless conditions are extreme. That doesn’t happen even in wildlife. Am saying this regardless of if she was Indian or Norwegian. The protocol should have been better. Just removing the child from its parent without even knowing if the situation is dire or just misunderstood is wrong. And sometimes culture can be a problem too. My uncle faced problems because his child ate from hand and not spoons. Apparently unhygienic according to one teacher in the child’s school. Mistakes can happen from both sides. To remove misunderstandings, there must be mutual respect. But to europeans and Americans, unfortunately, sometimes they can’t respect people from “third world”. Not just India but rest of Asia n Africa. Of course, painting in one broad stroke is wrong and there are lots of westerners who learn/ try to understand different customs n cultures of different people to remove misunderstandings but there are always some who only look beneath at others.
>U can’t just forcibly remove a child from a parent unless conditions are extreme. Even if the mother is suspected of abusing the child? Read about the case a bit, the pediatrician complained to Norway version of CPS about an injury and the mother was the prime suspect. >The protocol should have been better. Maybe. I know very little about Norway and yes, that is a good discussion to be had. But neither the movie nor the OP are talking about the changes they want and are blindly siding with the mother. >My uncle faced problems because his child ate from hand and not spoons. Apparently unhygienic according to one teacher in the child’s school. Mistakes can happen from both sides. To remove misunderstandings, there must be mutual respect. Yes I have heard similar stories too. But, there are bad or narrow minded people everywhere. Racism also exists and in that case it is better to call out that person - no need to generalize.
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Go to Norway sub and look for yourself. It's probably still top post .(about movie)
Woman violated a court order of custody after it was proved that she had abused the child in the eyes of the court. She kidnapped the child to avoid enforcement of the order. Norwegian courts are fiercely protective of children in abuse cases and if there is abuse custody is very often taken until a workable solution can be found where parents can still be in their child's life without causing harm. Buuut a mother who has a proven record of abuse is apparently still fit to parent according to OP because mothers always love their kids?.. Loving them does not preclude abuse. Far from it.
The same mother who Norway court claimed to be abusive have raised her child properly in last 10 years. And Norway goverment refused to give back child in past to her , but when international goverments got involved and asked for proof they gave the child back. She also came forward after the latter from Norway saying everything what they are saying is false, can't find the actual full video, but here is something i found https://youtu.be/YNhSaYhQ4a8
Norwegian people have zilch sense of family or anything really. It's a welfare state made on old oil money and America's bitch for protection. Even here in the US, people aren't fond of the Norwegian family ethics. So stop lying please.
You are advocating keeping mentally ill patient with a kid from the comment. As a physician, this is against everything sane. We never know how volatile the situation could get.
There r difference kind of mental illness, some people behave crazy because lack of sleep , some people get some trama , some gets become of some external damage, some get become of some birth effect and so on. And behaviour also change from person to person. You can't Just go ahead and take away child from every mentally ill patients. As a physician u really believe we should take away child of every kind of mental illness?Also as a physician wouldn't make her condition worst if we take away her child?? And here they never proved anything about mother causing problem or abusing her child. And also gave it back after the India's involvement.
Lol. Champions of freedom of speech in India and elsewhere got so offended. They can't stop lecturing Indians about *take it as a movie, just accept the flaw and instead of complaining, work towards the betterment* are doing mental gymnastics to prove Norway can't ever be wrong. Our Sepoys are doing overtime in that.
Looks like you hurt a lot of people here too
Op you should've just pasted this article by the Norwegian activists and let it be. https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/3299-indian-activists-mobilize-against-norwegian-barnevern/ Heck, that oped by the Norwegian ambassador doesn't even explain what is wrong, if I had to summarize that article, it would be "I saw the movie, I don't believe it shows all the facts because I can't believe my country would do this".
Way to defend a propaganda movie.
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This needs to be brought up and shamed in online forums. Now that Norvey is being shown it's true mirrors. For starters if you feel the same that Norway was wrong, tweet and shame the ambassador. And downvote the posts in the countries group. Smearing the mother to justify their horrific actions can be very much expected from these child theives. Also do you have hard evidence to support smear campaigns and so called "claims" against the mother .. You can't take sides of the elitist Gora Sahebs just because you feel they are better. This bias is not okay.
Idk man parental abuse is a serious thing. My dad who is like on top bracket in a corrupt govt job , So a pretty sane person i would assume , used to beat the shit outta me. If somebody would have taken my custody at young age i might have been different from what i am right now. All that violence and hate that i have towards him , i can't man , i just can't express it in words. I don't care if she(the mother) was mentally unstable, toxicity is still toxicity.
The baby was very small tho (less then 1 yr old) , and there was no sign of abuse, that's why they gave it back. She might abuse the baby in future, but r we really going to punish people for what they haven't done yet?