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fireflyflies80

This interview is the most public information we’ve gotten so far


Jaaawsh

Essentially saying they have nothing? 🤦‍♂️


fireflyflies80

Yes, which is frustrating. But it cleared up a lot of speculation about the “targeted” messaging and whether they are withholding information or have persons of interest.


Jaaawsh

I mean, the confusion from both of these things could have been completely avoided if they just said what they meant. They don’t need to give out specifics they could literally just give frank, yet vague answers. Or be honest and say they actually really don’t know. Instead they say something, then backtrack, then say something else, then they’ll elaborate a little bit on that, then they’ll backtrack again, etc…


iwasateenguitarist

Bingo. It should have never been said one of the kids was a target.


WithoutBlinders

I don’t think it ever was said that “any one person “ was a target. I believe that was strongly implied by K’s dad.


Abeautyfulmess

It's posted on the Moscow PD's website that was created for this case that Detectives believe the killings to be "an isolated, targeted attack".


Noelle9753

Targeting could still mean the 4 of them or 6 of them were targeted. It was one of the victims dads that implied only one was the target.


speydd12

Yes and there was a supposedly credible story going around from a first responder that one of the victims were decapitated and that’s why they said it was targeted…so I guess that was bs too 😒 My time in these Reddit groups have come to an end. I guess I’ll just find out if anything major ever happens when the rest of the world does


Jaded_Read6737

That does not mean it has to be a person. A place can be targeted as well.


fireflyflies80

Yeah, they should not have said that when there was no evidence supporting that idea. They probably said it just to calm the community but that is not right when there may be a risk out there.


Ok_Molasses8413

Wait k's dad said she was the target. I think I read that wrong. Wouldn't that mean he knew something was happening with her


pinkgirly111

which was** obvious. they have zero clue.


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If someone wants to give me a camera I can sit down and ask the officials a bunch of questions they can’t answer yet too, and call it news


Lucky-Basket-5253

It’s more so the fact that he even got the interview. I am sure every media outlet there has asked for a similar interview and we haven’t seen much as far as that goes.


LargeOddCrow

Lol no shit. How this guy has a following is beyond me. He doesn’t do anything


deedeebop

And why OP thinks “everyone should listen” to this. To find out what we already don’t know!?


Aunt-jobiska

I agree wholeheartedly. He adds nothing new to any reporting, especially when he went to Moab UT during the Gabby Petito murder.


SnooDingos8955

Sorry, there's already someone else doing that. Find another job 😆


Nightnightgun

11/14-11/15 & as recently as 11/23: Idaho police decline to say why quadruple homicide was targeted: 'You're going to have to trust us on that' 11/29 Entin: "I am told by the prosecutor that they don't have any evidence of which victim was specifically targeted. They just feel the home in general was targeted." That was my take home message. Also, Brian seemed a bit taken aback at how everyone seemed tight lipped about discussing this. The Corner Club don't want to be on camera... NO ONE from any Frat or Sorority will go on camera.... he seems to have no sources. Oh and also, Brian asked the prosecutor if there was a note or anything written on the walls to make it clear someone was the target (I wondered this too)....... he said Not that he knows of.


Jaaawsh

Like I saw someone defending Fraternity parties when it comes to the stereotype of rampant SA and the person was like “statistics from the IFC show that 98% of solved rape cases that took place at a fraternity were found to have been committed by a non-member” Key word there is *solved* cases. I’d be willing to wager a lot that the ones that go unsolved, go unsolved *because* they were a “brother” and the ranks closed tightly and protectively around them to shield them from negative repercussions.


isnotaac

exactly what i was thinking with the broader statistic of murderers tending to be someone with whom the victim was intimately involved ... isn't the reality likely that many unsolved cases remain unsolved BECAUSE a stranger committed the crime? BECAUSE there is no real connection between the perpetrator and the victim beyond that the perpetrator killed the victim? i do kind of feel like in this case, the murderer may end up being someone essentially unknown to the victims. but at the same time... i'm not sure. i see a lot of people posting here who are VERY sure of certain theories but every time i really think about the crime - about someone going from room to room and stealing four young lives - all i can be sure of is that i don't understand *how* someone could do this so there's absolutely no way i could even begin to understand *why*


PrayingMantisMirage

>Also, Brian seemed a bit taken aback at how everyone seemed tight lipped about discussing this. The Corner Club don't want to be on camera... NO ONE from any Frat or Sorority will go on camera.... he seems to have no sources. How is this surprising though? The internet is calling anyone who talks on camera about the case a murderer. I'm surprised no one has accused Entin of being the murderer returning to the scene of the crime to insert himself in the case yet.


Nightnightgun

I honestly think he thought college kids would be eager to be on camera for their shot to be on national cable news and share. He'll find an in, I'm sure, but to me it is still telling that members of the entire Greek System seem to be on media lockdown about this. (With the exception of a few posts about the scholarship/gofundmes and 'I miss you' posts.)


PrayingMantisMirage

That seems normal for Greek organizations to me. And it's the holidays so I'd assume many students left campus for Thanksgiving, and probably more left because of the murders. Someone in Moscow can check me on this if I'm wrong, but I'd guess the campus isn't as bustling as normal this year.


Jaaawsh

Greek life is tight-knit, something goes down and they close ranks. It’s one of many things that is wrong with the greek system IMO.


HowdyFrankenstein

Totally disagree. Greek life in my experience is very gossipy and everyone knows everyone else’s business. This isn’t Skull & Bones at Harvard, it’s Sigma Chi at University of Idaho.


TaTa0830

I understand what you’re saying and you’re not wrong about little shit, but when it comes to the media, big messages, come down from the organizations to shut down social media, and forbid anyone from talking.


HowdyFrankenstein

I was active in Greek life and have served on the advisory board for my chapter as an alumni. I guarantee you that one or more of the adults involved (an advisor, alumni, etc) advised the chapter president to lay low on social media and cooperate with the cops and the school however possible. It’s not anything underhanded, they’re just trying to avoid what’s happening now - internet randos harassing the kids on social media and spreading rumors that Sigma Chi is covering up for a murderer. It’s depressing all around.


Standard_Chipmunk_45

Agreed. Just because the fraternity is quiet to the media doesn’t mean they haven’t spilled everything they know to LE. I highly doubt an entire fraternity would go silent (to LE) to protect a murderer just out of “brotherhood.” I was also in the Greek system at UofI and there is NO WAY I would want to be living with a murderer just because they were my brother/sister/big/little/BFF.


spvcejam

> forbid anyone from talking You think this is followed by a bunch of college kids lol There are going to be private group chats leaking soon and the longer no suspect is arrested the more speculation will happen and the urge for those close to the situation to see misinformation, rumors and come correct the record.


TaTa0830

You’d be surprised. They talk amongst each other but they’re somewhat quiet with outsiders. I’ve seen several National incidents with frats and sororities and it is hush hush.


Sharp_Ad_4817

Bingo. This keeps popping up in threads that’s there is this massive coverup culture or secret society honor code within fraternities. 99.9% of fraternities take SA or creepy guys as serious as anything. All of these commenters with jaded views on fraternities either neither actually went to one or were booted from a party.


jay_noel87

I honestly think it depends on the school and the GL culture at the school. Some are way better than others at enforcing rules. Things also might be slightly better now than they were back in the day, but I've heard plenty of first-hand horror stories from many friends from different schools that participated


Sharp_Ad_4817

Fair. I cant speak to all GL across the country and to your point, even a school like mine, which had an extremely large and well regulated GL, had some odd, creeepy, not great houses. Based off everything being shared and rumors from locals, it sounds like these kids were in the upper tier houses. Which makes them targets from loners, incels etc. Sorry if "upper tier" offends commenters on here - that is just the way it works in GL and life.


motaboat

Sorry bung up your theory a little, but I have plenty of negative thoughts regarding frats from my university sorority days........ so no I was never booted, nor my application rejected. I attended plenty of parties and recall what I experienced and saw.


HowdyFrankenstein

Oh don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of bad apples involved in Greek life, and I’m sure plenty of chapters that get up to some bad stuff. On the other hand, I went to college in the 90s and even back then the Greek system at my school was extremely positive and took issues like SA incredibly seriously. Your mileage may vary, as they say. In this case, I just don’t buy a fraternity cover up. It’s too improbable.


motaboat

My days do go farther back that the 90s which likely makes me less pertinent. I was mainly coming back at the comment that implied one had to be some sort of fraternity reject to have any negative comments about frats. Do I believe this is a frat coverup? I have no reason to. Do I believe that organizations (frat and non-frat) close ranks at times? Yes. All I hope is that this crime gets solved.


chardonnayye

Exactly. And being the victims are sorority girls and a frat guy, they would likely have actual friends in Greek life that wouldn’t just stay quiet for the reputation of an organization.


paulieknuts

to say nothing of becoming an accessory after the fact. I am also sure the police made it very clear to the frats and sororities to keep their mouths shut, along with advice from parents/loved ones.


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tsagdiyev

Prosecutors help secure search warrants and arrest warrants, ensuring probable cause, during a criminal investigation. He absolutely is aware of many details.


Playoneontv_007

Ehhh prosecutors often times go to the scene of homicides. I can’t believe that he isn’t being updated along the way. They are all under a lot of pressure to get this case moving and find the person who did this. He wouldn’t give an interview if he wasn’t in the know in my opinion. It would just make his office look bad. LE have no reason to withhold info from the prosecutor’s office.


bastardlyann

The prosecutor can and should know about the case prior to it be "turned over." Here is information about their duties during an investigation. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_pinvestigate/#1.1


Dependent_Walrus6804

There’s literally video of him going inside the home with investigators to see the crime scene.


Willowgirl78

Prosecutors work in conjunction with law enforcement on many types of cases, including homicides. The bigger limiting factor is that the ethical rules for prosecutors really limit what they can say to the media before a criminal trial is completed.


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But....the prosecutor has been on scene almost daily. Yet he knows nothing?


idahomurders-ModTeam

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Runyou

He’s basically been there a day. I hope he gets to stay a while. That’s when he gets good.


middleagerioter

I'd wager everyone you just mentioned, plus others not mentioned, have been counseled to NOT talk to anyone without an attorney present and no more talking to the media. One wrong thing said on air can ruin a life, lives, livelihoods, and the whole case could go belly up if the wrong person says the wrong thing to a reporter.


Nightnightgun

I think this is coming as an Order from Panhellenic ( Do NOT discuss or post or engage in conversation about this case or the victims by penalty of expulsion.) It makes sense from a Risk Management perspective, but it sure as hell makes the job more difficult for Law Enforcement. It just worries me so much that with students leaving town early for the holiday, LE was unable to reach those people who were at the party Saturday who remembered anything. Now it's 16 days out, possibly too late to remember details.


middleagerioter

To that I say--The FBI sent field agents out to interview those kids over the holiday specifically because they'd the easy to find. Never, EVER, talk to the cops without an attorney regardless of reason or guilt or innocence or as a witness or for ANY reason. Most people want to help, and we should, but no one should help without an attorney so they don't end up getting railroaded.


iliacbaby

Has there been any recent discussion or questions about blood or footprints found outside of the house? It's as if the killer tunneled out of there.


Hot_Cantaloupe_6798

The police made the crime scene around the house too small to start. Many respected detectives called this out prior and said they should be staring large and going smaller so as to not taint the evidence. Then a week later the police expanded the crime scene to include areas around the house where the killer could have gone but it’s pointless at that point bc it’s all tainted from reporters and the public.


1maxwedge426

The police force should have been asking for help right from the very start. Big cities in the U.S. have hundreds of homicides detectives that have much more experience than the FBI or local police.


BashfulExodus

Your last sentence is incorrect. The FBI has more expertise, technology, and various SMEs than almost any big city police department. They’ve also got unlimited budget. I’m not aware of any big city PD (homicide experts or not) that outweigh the FBI and the ability they bring to a case.


TypicalLeo31

You are totally correct! The FBI has definitely more funds and more training and experience. It would be great if all police departments had their resources. But they don’t, especially the small ones, so they need to start calling the Feds in immediately. Stop these delays!


BashfulExodus

The feds ultimately decide which cases to assist with. There may be requests from locales that are turned down due to resource constraints. My understanding is that ISP & Moscow PD called the FBI in almost right away.


TypicalLeo31

The FBI always has to be invited in first! In this case Moscow did!


Nightnightgun

Footprints outside the house= by the time the officers arrived after friends showed up on Sunday morning, I don't think footprints would have been visible/noticed. We already know several people were at the house with B and D when 911 was called.


iliacbaby

I was thinking bloody footprints might be left behind but there doesn’t seem to be any blood found outside at all


carpe-jvgvlvm

(Got dv'ed for posting this before but) certain "YT wannabe celebrity detectives" showed ZERO respect for the crime scene tape already. 😂😱 yes both laughing and horror because I get it was already trampled through, and shoot some students and friends and neighbors may have tried to root around outside themselves to look for signs of a crackhead that might still be lurking (doubtful, but... I can envision that; have lived through that but without the "murder" element at all). And THEN the EMS got there, and THEN cops arrived and went "ut oh". Tape is still up, right? But there are people on YT "finding" suspicious articles in plain sight behind the crime scene tape. At least they're *"saying"* they have made a discovery and filmed it but did not disturb the "crime scene". Isn't that helpful? /s **Note:** I don't blame the students/neighbors trampling anything because of the confusion around the traumatic scene **before** it was taped up. What was that: 20 minutes maybe? But they can work around that, and once it was taped up, only officials working the crime should have been inside taped off areas. (I'd allow a designated cop with shoe covers to go get belongings of the living roommates, like some clothes and shoes and stuff, since they wouldn't be going back in, ever probably, but all their stuff is in "clean rooms".) I have a feeling if I dropped into Idaho and tossed ~~a glove~~ a shoe in the crime scene tape, and let's just say I'm not an hysteric family member wanting to find my baby's killer, I expect to answer a few questions about why I'm jacking up the crime scene. Maybe I'd expect to pay a huge fine, at the very least.


Previous_Basil

People really need to learn to understand that there is a GIANT LEAP between “no suspect(s)”, and no *official* suspect(s). I mean, honestly. What do we imagine happens here?? Brian Entin busts out his best earnest super reporter voice, says “You *SURE* you guys don’t have some secret suspect?” and the prosecutor just chuckles a bit, throws a jazz hands/shooter finger combo, and says “Oooookay!! You got us, you crazy sonofabitch! Here’s what we know…”?


Livid-Savings-3011

Exactly. The less the perp knows the better


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Previous_Basil

Exactly.


Previous_Basil

This is the current information from Moscow PD as of right now. https://preview.redd.it/ur1hgr4e753a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=ed3ba11635420b88f086edcd3d26e44804f6091b Again, there IS a difference between “no suspects” and no **official** suspects. Source: [https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides)


Remarkable_Total2358

I agree with you… I believe they have a suspect but just hasn’t named them yet. If they had NO suspect they’d just take out the named and say there are no suspects etc.


Previous_Basil

Yep.


Remarkable_Total2358

Also, imagining this literally made me LOL so thanks for that “Oooookay!! You got us, you crazy sonofabitch! Here’s what we know…”?”


Previous_Basil

Lol. Right?


Beardy-Mouse-8951

>People really need to learn to understand that there is a GIANT LEAP between “no suspect(s)”, and no *official* suspect(s). People are reaching, but you're reaching so far you risk a back injury. If he'd said "we have absolutely no official suspects at all, zero, none, nada" you'd be saying "but did he have his fingers crossed behind his back? You don't know! Ha!"


Previous_Basil

Well, would you. look. at. that? “At this time, there are no **named** suspects” etc. https://preview.redd.it/v19bqe5q453a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=87da8e0f9ccc73d279e4a3c0979a1b427b88f8a9 Apparently my back’s doing just fine. Source: [https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides)


paulieknuts

Jiminey Cricket! this whole argument/discussion is ridiculous. No, they don't have a named subject because if they did, they would name him. Since they don't have a named suspect they MUST have unnamed suspects and I am sure they have a lot of them. That is all there is to gather from this whole discussion. We have no way of knowing whether they have 1 or 2 people that they are 95% of the way to naming OR if they have 100 people that they think might, possibly, could be, maybe involved.


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Beardy-Mouse-8951

"This case is nothing like this other case but I'm going to use it anyway to claim that the police are actually saying what's in my head instead of what they actually said" You're reaching.


Previous_Basil

One more time for those in the back. https://preview.redd.it/9vtl5rc4653a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7144eec41bb78e9c0904730fddc11083d7ef8276 Source: [https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides)


Beardy-Mouse-8951

And one more time for the people in the cheap seats who are so desperate to be right they're going to analyze every word and imply more meaning than there is to apply... There are no suspects, there are no persons of interest and there is no murder weapons - after 16 days. You can twist every syllable into whatever you want to twist it into, it will not change the reality.


Previous_Basil

The reality is that’s NOT what LE’s current statement on the situation is, as sourced and evidenced by the above. You are literally just disregarding their statement entirely while pretending that *I* am twisting things. GTFOH. You’re a clown.


Previous_Basil

You’re right it’s nothing like the other case… in that with the case of Gabby Petito’s murder her killer was blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning frontal cortex and it STILL took two weeks for even HIM to be named a Person of Interest. I’m sorry that was too difficult for you to discern.


Livid-Savings-3011

Yeah, but they didn't have a body until some people gave a tip about the vehicle. Here we have four bodies


Previous_Basil

Right, but he wasn’t named a POI in her *murder*; he was named a POI in her *disappearance*


idahomurders-ModTeam

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LargeOddCrow

Nobody should listen to it. It gives no new information we don’t already know


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>They do not have a video of the killer or suspect. If actually true (and not merely police speak) this is worrisome.


NoImNotFrench

The whole way they handled it so far is worrisome tbh. We cut them a lot of slack because "they know what they do, they just pretend because they don't want the killer to know". I think the killer knew damn well that Moscow police's incompetence was actually playing in their favour when they committed their crime. (There I said it) They might even have come in contact with them and hot away with a slap on the hand and got more confident from then. It's fine to not solve a case, it happens to every town/city. It's fine to not find much evidence, it's not the police's fault. It's even fine to make mistake. But calling it a crime of passion (God, I hate that term, it's outdated and makes me want to throw up in my mouth) and saying there was no risk to the community was extremelly stupid. It makes it sound like they decided it was the ex, then realised a bit later it was not possible and they have nothing/ made mistakes early on. And their shadiness made many people (the ex and the surviving roommates) look very suspicious. I understand the families' frustration and I can see a long attempt to cover up things coming ( *cough* delphi murders *cough* ).


Beardy-Mouse-8951

It took them 2 days to walk back the "isolated incident" and "no threat to the community" claims (neither of which could possibly be true unless they either had the killer in custody or they were dead). The "targeted killing" statement never made sense without qualifiers. Every killing is targeted, every murderer "targets" a victim, otherwise there wouldn't be one. The fact that they used this term in conjunction with other false claims gave the public a false impression of this case. It took them 5 days to notice the tyre marks on the road directly in front of the house. It took them 9 days to expand the scene to include the most plausible entrance/exit route of the killer/s through the trees and up the hill to the parking lot behind the house. In those 9 days they allowed officers to park there, they allowed journalists to park and broadcast from there, they allowed locals to walk through there. When asked why it took so long to do this they basically admitted that they messed up. They admitted in the press conference that they'd expanded the scene because their initial investigation had been too limited. This is the the most plausible direction the killer/s took, potentially leaving a blood trail, potentially leaving a boot print or a tyre impression in the dirt or moss, and they allowed dozens of people to contaminate the entire area for more than a week because they'd made assumptions, they'd ignored the most likely scenarios in favor of their opinions. As far as I know they haven't even performed a search of the woods for discarded bloody clothing. I can understand why people want to defend the cops, this is a small town force with limited experience and this is a horrific case. But that generosity should not extend to forgiving massive incompetence from whoever was in charge. I've seen enough of these cases to know that cops are often arrogant, egotistical and they make assumptions the moment they arrive. They spend their time trying to force the square peg of their opinion into the round hole of reality, and when it doesn't fit and they realize they've f'ed it up they then spend more of their time trying to cover up their failures than investigating the case. You can look at almost any prominent crime of the last 70 years and you'll see the same pattern. I hope that's not the case here, but everything is telling me this is just another repeat of massive biases leading to massive incompetence and leading to a case going cold.


downwithMikeD

This comment, while obviously distressing, makes a lot of sense. Well said.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

I don't like saying it, I want the cops to have done everything right, used common sense, not formed false biases and not allowed those biases to drive their investigation and potentially screw it up. Unfortunately, everything I am seeing tells me that's what they did. There are certain things they have said and done in public which should cause everyone deep concern. Anyone trying to ignore that is being dishonest. It's entirely possible to have sympathy for the cops having to work on this case and be critical of what are very obvious failures of judgment. People should demand better, people have a right to demand better. In a case like this there should be an expectation of supreme competence.


Traditional_Drop_606

Aren’t you the guy who falsely accused me of being in a “mob” that harassed and accused JR of the murders? yeah, that was you.


tsagdiyev

“You’ll have to trust us” said every untrustworthy person ever


rosegoldresist

There's a great podcast called In the Dark and their season one examines this topic that cops are generally bad at and don't solve crimes. It's embarrassing with the resources they get there's been such little progress.


Thegreatsowhat

Yeah, I said the same thing a couple days ago... Every murder is "targeted". If it wasn't targeted, it's called manslaughter. Just such a broad word. To me, they used it after backing off of "passion" and "isolated", as a way to ease panic. Yet, the word still allows them further leeway should another crime happen... Targeted can mean anything really- so it in fact means nothing in this case. Intimating it was isolated when there was no motive or suspect- to me probably came from political higher up pressure to try to reassure people- like the movie Jaws. Without a who or a why... They can't really say targeted (meaning it to indicate isolated). Perhaps one of the victims suffered a much more brutal treatment by the killer and that is what they were using as an indicator that someone was targeted. However, without knowing, it's just as likely the one victim reminded the killer of a teacher he hated upon seeing them and took it out on them. Point is- they have no idea. Scary really. In today's world it seems unlikely. One problem that goes for both the crime scene and the town in general. As the house was a party house, the town is a college town. So, as maybe any roommate hearing anything dismissed it as regular shenanigans (and subsequent DNA findings, if not under a victims fingernails, will just blend in with hundreds of other samples, someone walking through a college town at 4 AM just doesn't stick out like they would somewhere else. 24 hour Foot traffic and strangers at a 10K student state school are the norm. Both conditions seem to have helped the suspect greatly.


Most_Syllabub_3717

How many days has that overflowing trash can sat on the backporch without being searched?


Beardy-Mouse-8951

I would ~~think~~ *hope* that it's not trash from the tenants and it's some of the trash from their investigative work inside.


Most_Syllabub_3717

I was hoping so too. But it does appear to have a dominoes box and the same container from the grub truck on top which we know are two of the last food the roommates ordered


Wanton_Wonton

I agree with you, and it honestly sounds like the same thing just recently came out about the Delphi murder case. Just incompetence then cover-up.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

I can't tell you how many cases I've seen where the cops interviewed the suspect twice and then lost the file, or they dedicated 80% of their resources on the one suspect the boss was absolutely determined was the killer only to find out 5 years later that they'd completely ignored the most likely suspect because the boss arbitrarily declared that it couldn't have been them, because they knew them, or they used to work with their sister, or they were neighbors once. Look at the Mississippi Three case. They literally had reports of a bloodied and muddy man in a restaurant bathroom acting crazy right after the murders, but the cops had already decided three teenagers committed the crime based solely on the fact they wore black and listened to heavy metal music. They never took DNA from the bathroom, because they didn't need to, because they'd already decided it was these three random teens who "looked weird". It was one of the most corrupt cases I have ever seen. One of the kids ended up on death row, but thankfully he was freed after a long campaign. This sht happens all the time. I really, really hope that's not happening in this case.


MrsMacWifey

When they first said "crime of passion," I was so confused and annoyed. Then it turned out they had absolutely nothing on which to base that.


ThreadOfThunder

The police never called it a crime of passion. The mayor did. The police said there was no danger to the community when they ended the lock down since there was no imminent danger at the moment to keep everything locked down. Meaning, there wasn’t an active person waving a knife around stabbing whoever came within his sight.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

Doesn't matter if it was the mayor or the cops, it's still a public official and the public would be reasonable in believing the mayor had been kept informed of the case. He spoke from a position of awareness and authority, and that's what matters here. The police said there was no further threat to the community and there were no qualifiers. If there were a mass shooting in a public place and they said there is no further threat to the community you would assume that the shooter is either dead or in custody. It is not reasonable or acceptable for the authorities to claim there is no ongoing threat when 4 people have just been brutally murdered and you have no suspect in custody and the killer has not been incapacitated. It's entirely reasonable for someone to take all these separate statements and conclude that the killer had been neutralized. The fact that this was not the case is enough reason to believe LE screwed up and made assumptions about what happened in that house, leading to a series of errors in the investigation.


Hot_Cantaloupe_6798

We have all seen these mistakes and incompetence first hand over and over in this case yet I feel like most people here are either in denial or the ignorance is just mind blowing. Thank you for stating the facts so I know there are other rational people here seeing this for what it is.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

I don't want this to be the reality, but anyone who's paid any attention to any prominent cases over the last few decades knows how it goes. So many times the cops make assumptions and it leads to them discounting a suspect, not looking for evidence in the right place, not considering the information someone has because it doesn't fit with the narrative they've already convinced themselves of. So often a superior arrives on scene and immediately says "Well, it's obvious what happened here!" When the cops come out and start being defensive about their actions it's usually an indication that they're flailing, and this was very much the vibe I got from the last presser. There was very little new information, they spent most of it just repeating word-for-word what they'd said at the last one and then added 10 minutes of highly defensive verbiage saying how hard they were working, how much they'd done, how much evidence had been gathered, how much money was being spent, how everyone local loves them and supports them. It came across as arrogant and defensive, and that tells me they know they messed up.


WithoutBlinders

You sound as if you have followed a case or two through its conclusion. There are many of us - me being one - for whom this is the first case to have caught our interest. Imagine our confusion? From the beginning, we’re thinking - man…is THIS how it works?


Beardy-Mouse-8951

I've always been interested in criminology, psychology, forensics etc. I think my brain is just wired to be hyper analytical and want to seek solutions to problems. I would recommend watching a YouTube channel like That Chapter. There is a consistent theme in a lot of cases, where the authorities made assumptions early and allowed this to direct them. As a result they missed evidence because they refused to follow certain leads, lost evidence, misplaced files, abandoned suspects based on false belief... the catalog of errors is enormous, and it seems to be the same in almost every single prominent case. It only gets worse when it's a smaller police force with fewer skills and less experience. I hope that's not the case here, but experience tells me it probably is, and it would certainly explain all the nonsensical statements and bizarre late processing of potentially vital scenes outside of the home.


maryjo1818

Something that has really amazed me in following true crime is how often things are misplaced. I know they collect unbelievable amounts of evidence and tip information, but the amount of cases where important information is sitting in a file somewhere and just wasn’t looked at or got misplaced or evidence got lost makes me uncomfortable.


Traditional_Drop_606

You do realize that MPD isn’t even leading this investigation anymore, right? There’s 22 state police investigators and 22 FBI investigators, and 2 BAU agents. You pretend like the missteps from the first couple days have been happening each and every day since. It seems like you just want to bash the investigators while tooting your own horn.


Steadyandquick

Ok but per Nancy Grace they have dna with no CODIS hit. In some cases, it seems like people volunteer or are asked to offer some of their dna. I don’t even know if that is legal but I wonder why it is sometimes easy to do and other times not done. They can’t go door to door with swabs in Moscow or Delphi I guess.


Aunt-jobiska

Nancy Grace is a loud-mouth know-nothing. I wouldn’t believe anything she says.


Jaaawsh

That’s per nancy grace, I hope she’s not simply assuming. If they have DNA that was found on all four victims and it was someone they knew who killed them, then it’s only a matter of time before they’re charged. If they don’t have DNA then it sounds like they have absolutely nothing whatsoever. If they have DNA and it was some sort of traveling stranger then it could very well be years until for some reason the guy’s DNA gets uploaded for something unrelated.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

>I hope she’s not simply assuming She is. She is not a part of the case, she is not informed about anything in this case, she is a TV personality and knows as much about this case as you do.


[deleted]

She’s the queen of falling down her own rabbit hole and the case turning out to be nothing she predicted. It’s the way she speaks that convinces people, I find her delusional and unhinged


Wondercat87

I do think she is assuming. I listened to her show when the murders first happened and it's being assumed the killer left DNA because that's what typically happens with stabbings. That said, nothing has been confirmed.


Cestlavieee

I find it odd they have video proof of all of the others arriving home, but nothing of the suspect - considering they also said there were no signs of forced entry


OK-Hydrangea

I could be wrong but I thought the video proof was from a neighbor's home that faces the street and not the victims home directly. If that killer entered the back of the house, that wouldn't be on camera.


Cestlavieee

True. 5 Thanks for sharing!


MediocreAd9430

It was the coroner that opened up her big mouth on the state of the crime scene. Really unbelievable, never seen that before. Can’t imagine the cops were too happy w/ this lady


tallxxl

Nothing to see here


wuhanmarketkilledus

I don’t get what’s so important about this guy? It’s not like he extracted any new information. Why are people so high on this guy?


Ok-Freedom-4234

He did an unbelievable job covering the Gabby Petito case and that is how he’s most widely known. I don’t understand all the Brian Entin hate. The guy has been in town for a day and a half and has already had sit down interviews with the lead prosecutor and Snell, the communications guy. That’s not an easy task. A lot of the public trusts him. Perhaps LE is using that to their advantage right now.


Aunt-jobiska

I have to disagree. I think he’s inept & adds absolutely nothing to any case he’s covering.


NoDumpling

...but understand that the Police and Attorneys office have no obligation to actually tell you the truth and that it is common practice to intentionally mislead the public if they feel it would benefit the case to do so... not that that is the case here, but just sayin'.


Individual-Apple6764

It is prosecutorial responsibility to remain objective during police investigations. Prosecutor is not in the loop other than to advise police generally about technical evidence rules applicable to litigation


Kindofeverywhere

Why do they need to give him any information or even tell him the truth, knowing he’s a straight line to the public?


Standard_Chipmunk_45

https://preview.redd.it/rore27z6l63a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=f9795177cd30c6efd7aa61258b018eed6b67b229 From a local (Boise) reporter.


Calluna_V33

Lol wow.


EmbarrassedMilk1347

Daniel Harold Rolling, He moved to Florida to commit his murders of campus women… it does concern me that all inner circle has been eliminated with no suspects… this makes me think there is a possibility that a person chose a quiet town… minimal attention to get his spree started… why else would we not have info 16 days in no suspects


[deleted]

Are you seriously expecting LE/prosecuting attorney to lay out all of their evidence for the media? If you are, I have no idea why. That's not how this works. The Delphi case is a great example of how it *does* work. For 5 years they didn't tell us anything. We thought they had nothing, no suspects. Then the affidavit was unsealed and we could all read the mountain of evidence they'd been collecting against RA as far back as 2017. Evidence that would surely have been lost if it had been publicized all over the news. I'm starting to wonder if some people here even want this to be solved.


ILoveMyDogsPaw7

Important take aways: They Say they do not have a suspect. They Say they do not have a video of the killer or suspect. They Say they have no info to lead them to believe that drugs are involved. They Say there was no message left by the killer. This is what they are saying. What the truth is, no one knows (except the authorities working this case) until details are disclosed in The Trial. They are not required to tell the truth to the public. Their loyalty is to the law and to the families of the slain who want the killer brought to justice. The authorities will do what it takes to get there.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

Will you still be saying this in a year when they have no POI and no suspects? I'm just wondering when clock runs out on this belief. When do people work out that it's not in their interest to leave their entire community scared when they don't need to? They don't have to lie to the public, they just have to mislead the killer, there are numerous ways to do that without the collateral damage of false public statements. They don't have to make any of these public statements. The killer will likely believe there's evidence linking to them anyway, making a statement to the press isn't likely to change their behavior - and it's certainly not a good trade off to scare 25K people for it. People are imagining some dramatic scene from CSI, some masterful 3D chess maneuver. when the most likely scenario is that they're just telling the truth and they don't have a suspect, or evidence to lead to one. I'm not sure whether people are desperately clinging to this because they're so adamant that they know who did it they can't accept that they were wrong, or whether it's something else. We all want this case to be solved and we want to see this sick individual brought to justice, but people shouldn't be believing in a TV show script just to make the reality more appetizing.


Hot_Cantaloupe_6798

Delusion. It’s delusion probably because they want to believe so badly this will be solved quickly. But so do I! However I don’t let my emotions dictate facts.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

It's just tiresome seeing so many people stretching all reasonable belief and claiming "well, the cops haven't had professional signs printed saying they have no actual suspects, they haven't hired a sky writer, none of them have it tattooed on their foreheads so they're obviously lying to throw the killer off!" It's exhausting watching people bend their brains into knots of doublespeak and mazes of semantics just so they can cling to their belief of the last week that \*insert perp of choice\* is the one who did it.


Hot_Cantaloupe_6798

I know it’s really starting to bother me too. At first I thought for sure the Idaho police department was brigading in here because I found it so unbelievable people could be this delusional. Now, sadly, I’ve come to believe these are real beliefs many people actually hold. And then I’m reminded how dumb most of the population is. I hate to say it like that but it’s the truth.


Traditional_Drop_606

It’s exhausting to read all of your combative ranting.


Hot_Cantaloupe_6798

You guys are going to be very disappointed when we’re having the same conversation 6 months from now. I hope I’m wrong.


Content-Delivery468

I think I’m losing hope.


ThreadOfThunder

“Until details are disclosed at the trial”. You think there’s going to be a trial without a suspect?


Previous_Basil

Thank you for understanding this.


[deleted]

Exactly, I trust they are taking the steps that are most likely to lead to catching the killer(s). This however does not mean that what has been told to the public is true.


1maxwedge426

I really hate to bring this up but the rate for solving a homicide is now below 50% in the U.S. It certainly looks like these guys should have called in a Homicide investigation team that had much more expience with crime scenes. The FBI and local police are not getting anywhere and unless something changes like, the killer does something to call attention to himself, we may never see an arrest. Having said that, it's probably too late now.


Individual-Apple6764

This is an inaccurate conclusion about the prosecutor’s responses. He was very vague. He said it “could break open at any time”. He said “I am not aware”… listen carefully!


swimbyeuropa

Omg what? They don’t have video of the suspect? Ughhh I really hope they’re lying about that to draw the killer out.


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idahomurders-ModTeam

This post is spreading misinformation.


ChampionshipDry635

They have photos?


Alternative_Lack3020

Yet they said it was a sloppy crime scene?


PuzzledSprinkles467

That's was he's telling HIM.


bernardhops

LE completely fucked up this case, I’d put money on them suspecting Jack from the jump and only focusing on that angle, until 3 or 4 days later they realize it couldn’t have been him and then have to rework the whole crime scene.


Gxstinger

I still think it's B.S. and here's why! If you wanted to give the killer(s) a false sense of security as they have no name no video, nothing at the moment they would 1. Find a way to get that information out to the public to draw the suspect(s) out so they can surveillance him, get him feeling comfortable that they have no idea who he is! They accomplished that by using this reporter and giving him interviews and info like they have no idea what's going on. I find it hard to believe that from day 1 they've used the targeting word and then all of a sudden the prosecutor comes out of the blue and says oh that was a not the word they should of used.2. if they were to say we have a suspect or poi that would probably send the suspect into hiding or deeper hiding if that's what he might be doing already. They need to get more evidence on him a DNA sample for example! Hopefully this is the case cause if they really have no idea then Lord help them.


ArugulaHot3910

Brian Entin is a really dedicated reporter


SeaworthinessNo430

Either he is lying or I’m a bit shocked. I would figure they are working on some lead but maybe not. These are usually soft quick if it’s someone associated with someone in the house or victims. Once all these people are cleared I think it can take much longer. Let’s hope they got some DNA and the results will come back positive for a suspect. If it’s a serial killer who is traveling around it could take some time.


fistfullofglitter

Part 1: https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1597725255795376129?s=46&t=CWF8QImExkugf6jgpYDH_g


fistfullofglitter

Part 2: https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1597797504317550592?s=46&t=CWF8QImExkugf6jgpYDH_g


fistfullofglitter

Part 3: https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1597797785793073152?s=46&t=CWF8QImExkugf6jgpYDH_g