That is being held at ~~BMO fields~~ **Tim Hortons Field** outdoors. Will have full capacity.
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Just absolutely no luck. These tickets were originally scheduled for March 13 2020 in Buffalo and then the whole NHL shutdown the day before. Then finally got my refund from those tickets this summer so booked these tickets for Dec 29th in OTT and then that gets shutdown, then postponed and still cant go. Sigh
I had tickets to see the Islanders in Calgary on March 12, 2020. We know what happened next.
I then had tickets to see the Islanders here on January 11 of this year, and that got postponed. This one is going to happen now in February, but I've basically been waiting to see the Flames and Islanders for two years now.
Yeah I generally go to 1-2 games a year and of late I've been attempting to see new teams if I can. I have seen 18 teams, and have 14 teams left (Have seen the Thrashers which is why there's a total of 33).
Seems like I've seen LA, Vancouver and Anaheim a lot of times though
Edit: Which other three haven't you seen? I'm assuming Seattle has to be one
I actually saw Seattle in the preseason this year. That was my first game back post covid so I crossed them off immediately.
As of right now it's St. Louis, Ny Islanders, Boston, and Toronto. I'm seeing St. Louis on Monday, and then the Islanders in February. I'll probably try and go to a game against Boston next season, but I don't know if I want to go to a game against the Leafs considering how badly they invade our arena. I'd rather see the Flames play in Toronto than do it here.
Haha. That's all teams I've seen (other than Toronto) and St. Louis I've definitely seen a few times. Toronto and Edmonton are teams that I doubt I'm going to cross off my list anytime soon just due to that road fan thing. Tickets against the Leafs tend to jack up in price a lot.
Some of the games I'm eying in the latter part of this year are Winnipeg, Buffalo, Arizona, and Seattle in order to cross a team off my list
Honestly at this point i dont even know if i want to try and reschedule lol. Like the bruins already lost krejci, who knows whos going to be gone by the time i can actually attend a game
It's fairly arrogant to think that just because you're a physician you're opinion should have more weight on public health policy. The jobs of public health officer require specific training and experience while having different goals than that of a physician.
I'm a computer engineer, that doesn't mean my opinion holds more weight on how apple should be run. Sure, maybe it could one day if I specifically trained for that but right now it sure doesn't.
I mean at the same time:
Physician vs Computer Engineer
Who would I trust more to dictate public health policy?
Who would I trust more to dictate Apple's next project?
Do theaters and casinos have a capacity of 20,000 people? Those seem like different situations to me. I’m not convinced this decision is politically motivated.
41.4% of Ontarians 5 and older have been boosted to date.
All based on my recollection, which I’ll admit could be wrong:
My understanding is that any hit to HRR will exacerbate an already significant problem that, under the current division of HRR, the players will owe the owners a massive amount of money in large part because the escrow cap doesn’t allow for the agreed split given the Covid-depressed HRR. I think I’ve heard it could be like a billion dollars. That kind of money would obviously be a big point of contention even as far out as 2026.
Though if anyone reads this and knows differently I’d like to hear about that.
It's gonna hurt, but it's not like escrow is going to change materially in the next round of CBA negotiations. So long as there's a hard cap linked to revenues, escrow is going to exist.
The only thing I can see being reworked is the formula for calculating the cap based on HRR.
I think that’s right, but that’s where I think the problem lies. We all know players hate escrow and it’s not going away, but now owners will want to change terms as to either how much money escrow allows them to capture or the underlying split or both
The underlying split I don't think will change from 50/50. Realistically this situation with a huge escrow imbalance shouldn't ever happen again barring another global-scale disaster.
You’re getting downvoted, but we’re setting hospitalization records every day and some of the most deadly days of the whole pandemic have been each of the past few days.
Our government is so fucking stupid. The vaccines have been out for a while, at some point they have to just say no more restrictions/lockdowns you're on your own now.
Yes and its a terrible way to expect things to simmer down. They had years to fix our medical care system and infrastructure and still, arent doing enough. Your answer was the logic of 2020 and now provides no benefit but prolonging other crisis’
Yes. Lockdowns are a terrible thing and we should have a better plan by this point, AND we should have a healthcare system that can support 500 additional ICU patients.
HOWEVER, this is real life and we don't have any of those things. So it's insane to just say, "Fuck the immunocompromised, fuck those who are at risk, you're on your own."
>Your answer was the logic of 2020 and now provides no benefit but prolonging other crisis’
Right but nothing has changed since 2020. You can't just go into the console menu and spawn new nurses.
Lockdowns are enormously damaging and a failure of policy. We need better solutions than the shrug emoji.
Here's one: Recognize foreign medical credentials.
>But you have no logical argument?
I'm not willing to have a "logical" argument with someone who says "high risk people are always at high risk, so why do I care?" Sorry.
>Your position is complete nonsense.
It's not nonsense. You're just an asshole.
Are you guys seriously asking me to explain to why leaving high risk people to figure it out for themselves, during a pandemic, is different than a regular flu? Seriously? That's him "making perfect sense" to you? Because if it is, then you're dishonest or stupid, and I'm not interested in talking to you.
You understand how frustrating it is to explain basic human decency to adults on the internet is, right?
And what is your answer? Let people get sick because the government should have increased hospital capacity by now? Lower the requirements to work in hospitals, since the schools can't crank out graduates fast enough?
As it is, the hospitals don't have capacity. You can criticize the government for not fixing it yet, but that isn't going to help people that need an ICU bed this week.
This is the correct answer.
Lockdowns were acceptable during a time when we had no vaccines readily available and when it was the only tool we had. Especially since the pandemic snuck up on everyone and should've served to expose just how fragile our health care is..
Lockdowns right now, though, when there's a vaccine and ample time has been given to take measures to increase hospital capacity/actually pay your nurses what they deserve/hire or import more nurses... these current restrictions are a complete and utter admission of failure on behalf of the Ford government to do anything proactive in the two years we've been in this pandemic. Shit, they've been sitting on billions in covid relief money they were given from the feds. I wonder how they'll miraculously balance the budget this time...
>these current restrictions are a complete and utter admission of failure on behalf of the Ford government to do anything proactive in the two years we've been in this pandemic. Shit, they've been sitting on billions in covid relief money they were given from the feds. I wonder how they'll miraculously balance the budget this time...
Perfect way of describing this and I 100% agree, but I don't think that means we should get rid of restrictions because Ford screwed up. Our hospitals are on the brink because of Ford but if we just open up then it'll get worse. It sucks for us, the citizens, that we have to deal with this bullshit because we have an incompetent government but the other option is letting our hospitals breakdown.
We’ve been “on the brink” for two years now. Everything is always “overwhelmed”. But we’ve never gone over the brink, and if we didn’t with this, we never will.
Just to add to your point, there has also been 2 years to investigate existing medications as early treatment options. Covid is the only illness that I have heard of where the treatment plan is to do nothing until it is life threatening.
I might be OK with that if I thought the restrictions were having any impact at all on hospitalization. Instead, Omicron seems to be playing out in Canada exactly the same way it is in every other country, many of which have had few or no restrictions.
Difference is universal healthcare. We pay for everyone who's in ICU from covid vs. the states where everyone is on their own.
That's the difference between the two approaches.
Edit: yay for downvotes for pointing out the major difference.
Wonder what they’re going to do with the HC. I was interested in tickets but since all this transpired I don’t know if it’s worth that hassle.
Went to the 2018 WC and it was great and want to go to another outdoor game but don’t want to be out money or be the unlucky person who doesn’t get to go at 50% IF this also counts for the HC. If anyone has info on that whole deal please feel free to post.
Just wasn't confident in buying tickets without hearing anything. What's odd is TM is saying it is canceled while Stubhub is still selling seats.
EDIT: Or was, it is back to selling seats.
The only possible benefit is that Melnyk can't afford this and sells the team as a result. A man can dream
Becareful what you wish for.
We good
Wood Buffalo here we come
Couldn’t make it March 13 for the Heritage Classic, could they?
FWIW that was for indoor
That is being held at ~~BMO fields~~ **Tim Hortons Field** outdoors. Will have full capacity. Edit: Got mixed up with the Centennial Classic. Tim Hortons Field*
Says who? The Canada/US FIFA World Cup qualifier at the same stadium had half their tickets canceled.
Actually, it's at Tim Hortons Field in Hamilton.
Okay so my ticket master tickets for the OTT/BOS game in Ottawa got rescheduled for Feb 12th.. Im assuming that still means I can’t go? 🙄
Uh correct.
Just absolutely no luck. These tickets were originally scheduled for March 13 2020 in Buffalo and then the whole NHL shutdown the day before. Then finally got my refund from those tickets this summer so booked these tickets for Dec 29th in OTT and then that gets shutdown, then postponed and still cant go. Sigh
Have you considered that this may be a SIGN??? You're the witch that stops these games from happening /s
I had tickets to see the Islanders in Calgary on March 12, 2020. We know what happened next. I then had tickets to see the Islanders here on January 11 of this year, and that got postponed. This one is going to happen now in February, but I've basically been waiting to see the Flames and Islanders for two years now.
I bought tickets to see Teemu Selanne play 3 times and every time he was hurt or "resting"
Do you have family on the Isles or something? Get your money back and aim for a better game!
No, but they're one of the four teams I have yet to see play in person which is why I need to go to a game against them.
Yeah I generally go to 1-2 games a year and of late I've been attempting to see new teams if I can. I have seen 18 teams, and have 14 teams left (Have seen the Thrashers which is why there's a total of 33). Seems like I've seen LA, Vancouver and Anaheim a lot of times though Edit: Which other three haven't you seen? I'm assuming Seattle has to be one
I actually saw Seattle in the preseason this year. That was my first game back post covid so I crossed them off immediately. As of right now it's St. Louis, Ny Islanders, Boston, and Toronto. I'm seeing St. Louis on Monday, and then the Islanders in February. I'll probably try and go to a game against Boston next season, but I don't know if I want to go to a game against the Leafs considering how badly they invade our arena. I'd rather see the Flames play in Toronto than do it here.
Haha. That's all teams I've seen (other than Toronto) and St. Louis I've definitely seen a few times. Toronto and Edmonton are teams that I doubt I'm going to cross off my list anytime soon just due to that road fan thing. Tickets against the Leafs tend to jack up in price a lot. Some of the games I'm eying in the latter part of this year are Winnipeg, Buffalo, Arizona, and Seattle in order to cross a team off my list
That's actually really cool. Best of luck.
Honestly at this point i dont even know if i want to try and reschedule lol. Like the bruins already lost krejci, who knows whos going to be gone by the time i can actually attend a game
k default
Thanks for a tweet that's actually informative. Friedman's a gem.
Bye-Bye my tickets to see McDavid on the 31st. I was so looking forward to that!
That’s brutal. That basically just eliminated the majority of gate revenue for the remainder of the season.
Eliminating revenue has been the Canadian governments strongest trait since covid started
This would be the Ontario govt
The federal and provincial governments have both been incompetent, the federals have just passed the box to the provinces to avoid any criticism
How do you live in Canada and not understand how the levels of government work.
You'd be surprised how many of us are completely lost when it comes to how our government works. Grade 10 Civics is clearly not enough.
A lot of folks just like shitting of “turdoe”because the people they follow in anPROUD facebook group say it’s his fault.
All I've learned we need to put full grown ass adults into grade 6 social studies
Canada and Ontario have been much more competent than the US…we have 1/3 their deaths (adjusted for pop.).
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Those reasons can explain some difference, but not a 3x difference. Sure seems like you’ve made up your mind regardless of the data.
For someone that claims to like evidence and science you sure do make that claim based on nothing but public opinion
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Lol you’re a physician and don’t understand that the provincial government controls health measures?
There's exactly a zero percent chance you're a physician.
Would you like me to email you some paystubs lol
It's fairly arrogant to think that just because you're a physician you're opinion should have more weight on public health policy. The jobs of public health officer require specific training and experience while having different goals than that of a physician. I'm a computer engineer, that doesn't mean my opinion holds more weight on how apple should be run. Sure, maybe it could one day if I specifically trained for that but right now it sure doesn't.
I mean at the same time: Physician vs Computer Engineer Who would I trust more to dictate public health policy? Who would I trust more to dictate Apple's next project?
Do theaters and casinos have a capacity of 20,000 people? Those seem like different situations to me. I’m not convinced this decision is politically motivated. 41.4% of Ontarians 5 and older have been boosted to date.
Americans are much more unhealthy??? How so?
Obesity, other than age is the biggest factor in covid deaths.
lol you want trudeau to take the fall
🔥🔥
Oh no, those poor MLSE’s. Sucks for Ottawa tho
Sucks for the whole league, Toronto doles out tons of revenue sharing dollars and this is also going to nuke HRR on top of that.
All but assuring another work stoppage
How so? The current CBA carries through the end of 2026.
All based on my recollection, which I’ll admit could be wrong: My understanding is that any hit to HRR will exacerbate an already significant problem that, under the current division of HRR, the players will owe the owners a massive amount of money in large part because the escrow cap doesn’t allow for the agreed split given the Covid-depressed HRR. I think I’ve heard it could be like a billion dollars. That kind of money would obviously be a big point of contention even as far out as 2026. Though if anyone reads this and knows differently I’d like to hear about that.
It's gonna hurt, but it's not like escrow is going to change materially in the next round of CBA negotiations. So long as there's a hard cap linked to revenues, escrow is going to exist. The only thing I can see being reworked is the formula for calculating the cap based on HRR.
I think that’s right, but that’s where I think the problem lies. We all know players hate escrow and it’s not going away, but now owners will want to change terms as to either how much money escrow allows them to capture or the underlying split or both
The underlying split I don't think will change from 50/50. Realistically this situation with a huge escrow imbalance shouldn't ever happen again barring another global-scale disaster.
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Toronto ain't going to be doling out any revenue sharing this year. If anything, they'll be on the receiving end.
With the massive merch and HNIC/TV revenues and every non restricted game being a guaranteed sellout i wouldnt count on that lmao
People tryna act as if Toronto ain’t daddy
MLSE writes a huge cheque to the league every year… this is not good for anyone that’s a fan of hockey.
yeah, this is absolutely shit news for the fans and the players both.
It's true, Larry Tanenbaum might only be able to afford 5 new Lamborghinis this year instead of 6
My March 23rd leafs tickets appreciates this.
I’m going to this game too!! Been waiting almost 25 years for my first leafs game
Detroit is in Ottawa April 3rd. Really happy to hear that I can go.
A whole month from even 50% capacity? Should have been 50% today, and 100% in a month.
Should be, but Canada.
You evidently haven't looked at Ontario's hospitalization numbers.
You’re getting downvoted, but we’re setting hospitalization records every day and some of the most deadly days of the whole pandemic have been each of the past few days.
Stupid decision doesn’t make sense
Why are you pissy?
Semi logical comment
Lol I know why you’re pissy after last night. Holy shit.
Brad Marchand: “you’re still the reason we pay 20% escrow.”
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I take it your not following whats going on in Quebec.
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Our government is so fucking stupid. The vaccines have been out for a while, at some point they have to just say no more restrictions/lockdowns you're on your own now.
Lockdowns are not just to stop people from catching covid its to reduce infection rates, and in turn reduce people requiring ICU beds
Yes and its a terrible way to expect things to simmer down. They had years to fix our medical care system and infrastructure and still, arent doing enough. Your answer was the logic of 2020 and now provides no benefit but prolonging other crisis’
Yes. Lockdowns are a terrible thing and we should have a better plan by this point, AND we should have a healthcare system that can support 500 additional ICU patients. HOWEVER, this is real life and we don't have any of those things. So it's insane to just say, "Fuck the immunocompromised, fuck those who are at risk, you're on your own." >Your answer was the logic of 2020 and now provides no benefit but prolonging other crisis’ Right but nothing has changed since 2020. You can't just go into the console menu and spawn new nurses.
Lockdowns are enormously damaging and a failure of policy. We need better solutions than the shrug emoji. Here's one: Recognize foreign medical credentials.
That's what I said. However, "You're on your own high risk Canadians!" is an insane thing to say.
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You guys are so fucking aggravating. What a dumb take.
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>But you have no logical argument? I'm not willing to have a "logical" argument with someone who says "high risk people are always at high risk, so why do I care?" Sorry. >Your position is complete nonsense. It's not nonsense. You're just an asshole.
He’s making perfect sense though.
Are you guys seriously asking me to explain to why leaving high risk people to figure it out for themselves, during a pandemic, is different than a regular flu? Seriously? That's him "making perfect sense" to you? Because if it is, then you're dishonest or stupid, and I'm not interested in talking to you. You understand how frustrating it is to explain basic human decency to adults on the internet is, right?
And what is your answer? Let people get sick because the government should have increased hospital capacity by now? Lower the requirements to work in hospitals, since the schools can't crank out graduates fast enough? As it is, the hospitals don't have capacity. You can criticize the government for not fixing it yet, but that isn't going to help people that need an ICU bed this week.
This is the correct answer. Lockdowns were acceptable during a time when we had no vaccines readily available and when it was the only tool we had. Especially since the pandemic snuck up on everyone and should've served to expose just how fragile our health care is.. Lockdowns right now, though, when there's a vaccine and ample time has been given to take measures to increase hospital capacity/actually pay your nurses what they deserve/hire or import more nurses... these current restrictions are a complete and utter admission of failure on behalf of the Ford government to do anything proactive in the two years we've been in this pandemic. Shit, they've been sitting on billions in covid relief money they were given from the feds. I wonder how they'll miraculously balance the budget this time...
>these current restrictions are a complete and utter admission of failure on behalf of the Ford government to do anything proactive in the two years we've been in this pandemic. Shit, they've been sitting on billions in covid relief money they were given from the feds. I wonder how they'll miraculously balance the budget this time... Perfect way of describing this and I 100% agree, but I don't think that means we should get rid of restrictions because Ford screwed up. Our hospitals are on the brink because of Ford but if we just open up then it'll get worse. It sucks for us, the citizens, that we have to deal with this bullshit because we have an incompetent government but the other option is letting our hospitals breakdown.
We’ve been “on the brink” for two years now. Everything is always “overwhelmed”. But we’ve never gone over the brink, and if we didn’t with this, we never will.
When was the last time hospitals were cancelling necessary surgeries, like the ablating of malignant tumours in cancer patients, en masse?
Just to add to your point, there has also been 2 years to investigate existing medications as early treatment options. Covid is the only illness that I have heard of where the treatment plan is to do nothing until it is life threatening.
I was answering why the government is doing lock downs/restrictions (icu beds) not if I agreed with the current protocal.
I might be OK with that if I thought the restrictions were having any impact at all on hospitalization. Instead, Omicron seems to be playing out in Canada exactly the same way it is in every other country, many of which have had few or no restrictions.
Well Florida has no restriction yet has 40% more cases then Canada.
With a far lower vaccination rate
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How are catching covid and getting infected two different things
They are not? Reduce infection with the intent to reduce people using ICU beds which is what what the provinces care about.
Only reasonable take in this thread. Lmao at these people who are vaccinated and still want to keep society at a standstill, perpetual lockdown 🤦🏼♂️
Difference is universal healthcare. We pay for everyone who's in ICU from covid vs. the states where everyone is on their own. That's the difference between the two approaches. Edit: yay for downvotes for pointing out the major difference.
pussies
That really sucks for Toronto. So much lost revenue, and this is dragging on too long. Lucky for Ottawa their attendance was barely affected.
funny the cap will be lower because this. good for tronna right?
So can they start making up games in Canada 3/14 or in Feb? Seems like it'll be pretty tight if not starting til mid March lol
Wonder what they’re going to do with the HC. I was interested in tickets but since all this transpired I don’t know if it’s worth that hassle. Went to the 2018 WC and it was great and want to go to another outdoor game but don’t want to be out money or be the unlucky person who doesn’t get to go at 50% IF this also counts for the HC. If anyone has info on that whole deal please feel free to post.
The Heritage Classic is outdoors, so it likely will be able to proceed normally.
Just wasn't confident in buying tickets without hearing anything. What's odd is TM is saying it is canceled while Stubhub is still selling seats. EDIT: Or was, it is back to selling seats.
Hopefully we don't fuck this up by March 24th. I plan on seeing Mayhem and Watain. First concert since 2019.
Bettman immediately makes plans to end the season in August…
But will the NHL postpone their games because of low attendance like they've done for how many other teams that aren't Toronto? Probably not.
Seasonal trends mean its likely we'll see another wave in March/April.