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pizzazza

EDIT: [HipHopHeads Moderator Application is now open for signups](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/11v3hgi/rhiphopheads_moderator_application_2023/) After asking about ideas for the subreddit in yesterdays's daily discussion thread, I got some good suggestions. The first was the idea for another mixtape/playlist exchange, which is now accepting [signups here](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/11udaba/hiphopheads_easter_2023_playlist_exchange_signup/), and **will conclude on Easter Day**. Another suggestion that's often brought up is **the flair situation**. Due to how the old.reddit flairs are made, it's near impossible to add any more image flairs without completely starting from scratch and doing it all at once. So I was curious and looked into new.reddit flairs, which are actually pretty simple to add once you know how, and can be added in bulk without removing any of the old.reddit flairs. These new.reddit emoji flairs also show up on mobile apps like the official Reddit app and Apollo, which is pretty neat. If you're on new.reddit or a mobile app, you should hopefully be able to see the Ice Spice flair next to my username. I'm going to be adding a bunch of new.reddit flairs for everyone to choose from but I need some suggestions and image ideas. **Reply to this comment with photos of what you'd like to see be flairs here** and I'll probably add it and do all the resizing and converting and shit. We got a lot of other good suggestions as well like replacing dead recurring weekly threads with new stuff (like the new Listening Club u/TheOddScreen puts on), and **opening up moderator applications**. Looks like we've agreed on recruiting another mod or two to the team, so keep your eyes out for when mod applications open up, hopefully soon. Any other suggestions are appreciated and will be considered, and please let me know some good flairs to add to start out with. edit 1: Never mind about the flairs, there's a hard limit that just got reached. Will be looking around for a different way to do this though. edit 2: Actually I figured out a way to add more but can't make them available freely through the flair picker, they have to be manually assigned to users. I guess just let me know if you want an emoji image flair


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Lukeba

accordion by madvillain or tale of 2 citiez by j cole are what comes to mind


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I seriously dislike most of 50 Cent’s music. I was on like 7 grams of mushrooms and losing my shit on the car ride home from a light show tonight and his garbage ass generic bars came through the radio and I was so disappointed. Bruh ain’t nobody give a fuck about your magic stick or your wack ass candy shop Luckily my local stations also keep Ja Rule in the rotation heavy, now that’s some real 2000s hip hop before Eminem feminized rap


michael_harmon84

This gotta be a joke, right?


DOGO8991

Obvious bait. Nobody actually likes Ja Rule's music


tak08810

Ja Rule still has fans


DOGO8991

Yeah middle aged people nostalgic about 2004


tak08810

I know some young people in Europe still really into Ja rule their taste is just different or behind the times lol


EliManningsPetDog

Same Name part 6: (Im trying to make this a daily thing but I was crazy busy the past week or so) Which ‘5200’ is the best? [Schoolboy Q](https://music.apple.com/us/album/5200/1460090914?i=1460091142) [Maxo Cream](https://music.apple.com/us/album/5200/1327576441?i=1327576979)


rickowenspisvlek

Gotta go with Maxo, that Q song has never done anything for me


Jordanwolf98

Gotta go Q


toontoom1

I gotta listen to the Maxo but Q 5200 is 🔥🔥


SheenEstevezzz

Q but neither are fantastic for me


Jandersson34swe

90210, Pray 4 Love, Nightcrawler is a crazy run Hell Rodeo is one of the best albums ive ever heard there’s 5 songs in it that are constantly in my rotation and some pop back up from time to time


kmad

the entire album except for Piss On Your Grave is in my heavy rotation


Jandersson34swe

Man i like POYG, not one of the songs on my rotation but i never get mad when it gets on Flying High is the only skip in the album for me


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Listen to Black Hitler intro -> Praise God intro -> Sunshine intro -> Blessed Times -> End how You start intro -> Peace Flygod -> Intro (feat. AA Rashid) You will learn more than you could from any professor or any degree in a million years.


darkfar

ngl his album Dogfood was really intriguing. His guest spot on the Killah Priest podcast is insane though


OGthizzco

> His guest spot on the Killah Priest podcast is insane though Please elaborate—I’m not asking for a transcript but how insane was insane Also what is Killarney Priest’s podcast like


darkfar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-eVR9qUgc bro was talking about how zodiac signs influence moments in cinema and how numerology is nothing but bullshit, i couldnt keep up lmao Killah Priest's podcast using covers a lot of thinking in like zodiac signs & Sumerian texts, occasionally covers music but rarely especially in the near 5 hour long runtime on a lot of episodes


OGthizzco

*[AA Rashiid]*: Not to be overtly ostentatious or express large abundance of sophistry *[AA Rashiid]*: Some of us are here for the art Some of us are here to try to be far too discerning When it comes to cultural iconography And narrative unfold-ment within historical alignment to greatness *[ChatGPT]*: F-father…? *[AA Rashiid]*: If you but only knew how to place where is the enlightenment in contra-distinction to the renaissance *[ChatGPT]*: (achieves singularity)


whalestick

I’m just discovering Radiohead in my late 20s and I got into it through a playlist for reading berserk lol. Haven’t been this excited about a discog in a while though


Karl_Patch

Looking for song by Italian-American artist, lyrics were something like "I want that" or "give me that". Hip-Hop/Rap/Party music. Song was basically about him singing about getting wealth and fame, girls and cars, I think he had an Italian flag tattoo, he was a fit metro/Jersey shore type guy with stylish haircut, shaved sides.


The_Old_Workout_Plan

[looks like the sample for Science Class wasn’t cleared, it’s literally just bass and drums now lol](https://open.spotify.com/track/1EXLrnWB2apXUnrBJma6A6?si=X6e3LIcaSzuBi8my1qJcYw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A138M0lORis5tDxurpIbd7V)


Homiealmaya

Look how they massacred my boy


Lukeba

pretty sure you can hear the original beat faintly on ghostface's verse


OGthizzco

I want an IP lawyer to explain to me why the sample *isn’t* cleared on Spotify but it *is* cleared on Apple


MonolithJones

On my Apple Music the sample is gone.


OGthizzco

I still got it on mine Maybe WSG doesn’t want to be friends with me any more and this is how he’s breaking the news 😢


Homiealmaya

Just befriend Mooch, he has an identical voice to WSG


OGthizzco

Too painful


TormentedThoughtsToo

One of these days, some of these movie studios are going to figure out that half these producers and DJs are using uncleared samples for their Producer tag and there’s going to be a great purge of hiphop on streaming.


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LthePerry02

Any examples of this? Only one I can really think of is Where Would I Go from Burden Of Proof, which doesn’t really count cuz the sample had to be changed Edit: actually Combat from uknowhatimsayin comes to mind as a good example


Definite64

About half of RxPapi albums are like this


DOGO8991

All of Two Zero One Seven by Keef. Fire tape but mixing leaves a lot to be desired and volume is all over the place


OGthizzco

Sound Bwoy Burial on Smif-N-Wesson’s first album; an actual top ten 90s record for me personally The song is supposed to be quiet, but it’s *too* quiet, it’s never ever sounded loud enough to me Maybe that’s why they had to bury the blodclot sound bwoy lolol


LthePerry02

Tbf that whole album is mastered very quietly. I definitely notice most with that song though


OGthizzco

Accurate


OGthizzco

What application do I need to fill out if I want a text flair


pizzazza

what flair do you want


OGthizzco

Album of the Year # 2: Drake - Honestly, Nevermind


notnerdofalltrades

Honestly nevermind or clb?


OGthizzco

CLB That bedsqueak song on Honestly is an automatic forfeit


pizzazza

too long for a flair i think edit: nvm!


OGthizzco

Texts stay blue 🫡


gldwatch

When people bring up Freddie Gibbs’ discography, Lord Giveth Lord Taketh Away rarely gets mentioned. That was my introduction to Freddie in 2012. I remember only listening to it because Statik Selektah produced it & I was familiar with his work. There’s plenty of good tracks on it like the title track, “Rap Money”, “Affiliated”, & “Already”.


OGthizzco

I feel like people treat the pre Piñata Gibbs catalog like it doesn’t count Eastside Moonwalker has been ignored for too long


grinchnight14

His song with Lil Reese makes me want to beat someone up for no reason.


OGthizzco

Yeah I kinda miss trap Freddie


grinchnight14

Yep, me too.


drippinswagu69

That was actually my first gibbs project as well but it didnt stay in rotation for me. Affiliated was my favorite off it.


big-loser-man

My favorite trapper is Travis Scott, especially his album "Rodeo". What are some other good trap albums I'd possibly like since I like this one? Thank you.


colbster411

🤖


big-loser-man

Excuse me


OGthizzco

Is Rodeo trap?


big-loser-man

I thought so, but could be wrong ... I like the deep bass and rattling hi-hats, when I listen to Travis I want to rob someone!


OGthizzco

The answer was right in front of you all along Rodeo locks you into that frame of mind Rodeo has you in its trap Rodeo is trap Trap is rodeo Bring your fantasy To life ^robert ^horry


aquapiss

Steer clear of this one!


rennisdodmane

Get High - Devin The Dude


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nolimitjaay

hits different when someone really took the roach out the ashtray


OGthizzco

Hits differenter when heeey you found a bag of weed and it smells pretty motherfucking good


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ziizii3

one of the better west coast artists coming out recently for sure I like that he has his own style rather than just biting drakeo


Butters_1017

I turned on the news And it said that I was The number one most wanted in the United States


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Butters_1017

What Edit oh fuck I feel bad he just asked who I was and I didn't know if it was like a 100 gecs lyric (I hate everything they done but this new one) and he just deleted his comment 😓


Diabeato11

who do you guys think is the modern day eminem?


big-loser-man

so good


LthePerry02

Feel like Denzel has the aggression, humour, and occasional vulnerability to definitely be considered that


excrowned

No one is really answering this seriously but idk. The criteria would be something like: very talented wordsmith/lyricist that was taken under a larger artists' wing? Maybe JID? Without the popularity obviously but him with Cole's popularity seems like a decent comparison. At least the closest I can think of today.


Butters_1017

Tom MacDonald


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Butters_1017

The rap devil has to be playboi Carti right


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Butters_1017

That's a good answer actually


darkfar

Eminem


Jordanwolf98

lol


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swallowyourtongue

AT LONG LAST ASAP - ASAP Rocky Waiting to Spill - The Backseat Lovers Peach Pit


Joementum2004

Just Aphex Twin's two Selected Ambient Works albums. I have finals next week so I haven't been listening to much lol


nolimitjaay

Curren$y - Drive In Theatre 2 Anthony Hamilton - Charlene Sade - Smooth Operator Method Man - I'll Be There For You Tyrese - What Am I Gonna Do


OGthizzco

> Anthony Hamilton - Charlene 👏👏👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆🫡


nolimitjaay

you get it, that song is the jam 🤝🫡


small44

Marlowe's 3 albums


Butters_1017

- 100 gecs - 10,000 gecs - Yves tumor - the new one I'm not typing that out - lil pump - lil pump 2 (just for rym purposes) - slowthai - ugly


comrade_dongers

kinda funny the majority of people who listened to lil pump are rym kids who just want to confirm its bad


Butters_1017

I was joking. Hoping for a return to his early work, it wasnt lol


toontoom1

Three 6 Mafia - Chapter 2 World Domination Smino- Blkswn Larry June- Out The Trunk Mereba- AZEB EP Jenevieve- Rendezvous EP


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nolimitjaay

Smoothies in 91 started it all for me


toontoom1

Fr perfect album


colbster411

Jesus got a great lineup, best of lofi Blu Dead Prez, EST Gee, Cashcache, Estee Nack here


Anirban_The_Great

Biosphere - *Substrata + Man with a Movie Camera*, *Substrata [Alternate Versions]* Jeremy Soule - *The Elder Schools IV: Oblivion: Original Game Soundtrack*, *The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Original Game Soundtrack* Abstaining from lyrical music before my exam on Friday to minimize stuff getting stuck in my head lol


OGthizzco

* Project Pat - Mista Don’t Play * Juicy - Rubbaband Biz 1 & 2 * Conway/Jae Skee - Pain Provide Profit * J Live - The Best Part


Mundane-Shape-1948

Love seeing you cover the full spectrum of hip hop with J-Live on one side and Project Pat on the other!


OGthizzco

I did my playlist for the Mixtape Exchange this morning and a J Live song ended up on it and that inspired me to listen to Best Part for the first time in actual decades. That shit is so good, J Live was incredible


CautiousTopic

Two weeks ago I asked for the best albums from Cage and Breeze Brewin and wanted to thank everyone that gave responses (I don't think pinging users on reddit works if there are more than 3 though?). Wanted to give some time to let the sounds settle as well as give a lot of spins, and I think Re:Release is my favorite of everything that was mentioned. Hell's Winter was also way better than Movies for the Blind in my opinion.


contacts_eyes

I don’t consider myself a cheap person by any means but i just don’t feel right paying for Spotify. I think the only reason i would want it is to have an organized set of albums to listen to. You can create playlists in youtube that just consists of full albums but if i did that i would never be able to find playlists for non music related stuff and im not willing to make that sacrifice. Youtube should have a search feature for finding a certain playlist that you created, because i have dozens of them already.


whalestick

Man Spotify is one of the best deals ever imo, family account especially


Butters_1017

What I get from Spotify: - new releases as they drop - release radar playlist - superior filing/archival system for playlists (I have 10+ year old playlists) - personalized top of the year playlists I keep for archival reasons - immediate access to high quality streams easily findable through the search bar - insane good curated playlists if you know how to find them, or what genres to search for - 11/10 radio feature when used for anything but hip hop I don't think YouTube can do any of these better than Spotify. It is worth the 5 or 10 I pay for it. Only other streaming service I need is HBO max


Cohtoh

Idk 10 bucks a month (5 if you're a student) for unlimited access to millions of songs is an insane deal. It used to be normal to pay 10 bucks for one album lol. I would sooner go back to pirating than use YouTube, not being able to have a catalog of albums to choose from would be completely unusable for me. Spotify could be 2-3x the price it currently is and I'd still feel like it's a good ass deal given how much music I listen to.


Butters_1017

I used to mainly just torrent and I will pay just to not have to torrent everything


Cohtoh

Yeah same. It didn't feel like a big task back when I did it all the time in highschool but being able to have 5+ albums saved and ready to listen to in like a minute is undefeated.


Butters_1017

Lol I had to do it on dial up or drive to McDonald's haha. I remember driving there just for Detroit 1 Then I learned how to get away with it at school It was always such a big ass hassle for me. Even using datpiff was the same but I didn't have to do anything special at school for datpiff


ReeG

Spotify is literally the only streaming I get my monies worth out of while I can easily live without shit like Netflix, D+ etc. Being able to quickly and conveniently throw all new releases into a "first listen" playlist and then adding my favorite tracks into genre specific playlists is like my entire music lifeline at this point. Offline downloads are also clutch for travel and saving on data usage. >You can create playlists in youtube that just consists of full albums but if i did that i would never be able to find playlists for non music related stuff and im not willing to make that sacrifice you kinda lost me here and I don't get what you're trying to do or say but I generally can't fathom using Youtube as my primary music source


LakerPaper

IDK if they still do it but Spotify had a student deal which gives you Spotify premium and Hulu (with ads) for $5 a month. After you graduate it bumps up to $10 but you get to keep Hulu, which is still a sweet deal. Personally I think the convenience of it all is worth it if you listen to a good amount of music. But yeah man, YouTube leaves a lot to be desired. They used to let you group channels you follow and then they removed it and didn't give us an alternative. Also Google Music used to let us upload our music library to the cloud and let us stream it like our own personal Spotify but they shut it down.


Butters_1017

They also have the duo thing which works out cheaper too when split with another person


184452681

712pm feels like it’s stick talk pt 2 both of em are too lit


Cohtoh

A bit embarrassed to say but the tik tok part of Spotify they added is kinda fire. I've always known Spotify has the capacity to recommend good stuff I haven't heard of but these days I have limited time to listen to music so 90% of it is spent on new albums I wanna listen to so listening to a recommended daily mix is unappealing to me if I'm only gonna like a third of the songs, but the new feature just shows you the best bits of songs so you kinda know right away if the whole song is worth listening to.


chemicaxero

I don't know I tried to keep an open mind but I think it's total dogshit. I don't want my spotify to be a second tik tok where every time I open the app I'm forced to load and autoplay shit I have no interest in. I'd rather see my recent played, mixes, and other playlists/album recs. I see what you're saying but I could just scrub through songs before and it'd take me a couple seconds max so this ain't it.


SkillsDepayNabils

you're not forced to listen to anything tho?


chemicaxero

I mean no, but that doesn't mean I want what was previously a very functional and navigable home screen to be permanently removed in favor of an ugly, tik tok feed that clogs my screen with shit I don't want to see or hear. It was perfect before, why ruin that?


Cohtoh

For me, I wasn't ever really using the stuff on the "search" tab anyways (except the actual search bar of course) so I don't mind that they've added a little section for the "tik toks". I was worried it was going to be overbearing but its hardly even noticeable, pretty sure I had the update for a few days without even noticing they were there. Most of my time is spent on the library tab which shows all the stuff you mentioned pretty much instantly anyways


flattsrascal

What the hell…


big-loser-man

Ha ha ha. Yea, Spotify is so awesome ... I had the same reaction!


Cohtoh

The future is now


LakerPaper

I just checked it out and its actually dope AF. Nice quick way to get the feel of a song or find what you're in the mood to listen to.


grinchnight14

I want a new Lil Fame album.


HideNZeke

New Lil Keed album is unlistenable, unfortunately. By the second song it felt boring, dated, and really just had nothing going for it in the slightest. I'm going to blame it on the label milking his death, but the guy has always been hit or miss, and this is nearly all misses. Betty Boop was the only song I'd say is alright


contacts_eyes

Its really unfortunate that Keed passed away so young, by most accounts he was a good dude.


Butters_1017

He would have progressed a huge amount. Huge shame


TheAnimalHD

All I wanna know is good


Eldritch-Cleaver

That new Finesse2Tyme album goes stupid hard


Jordanwolf98

He don’t miss


colbster411

Is it technically a deluxe


pizzazza

yeah


pizzazza

easily my AOTY


Eiji72

Can anyone recommend some albums like kingsway library? Good samples mixed in one album


Eiji72

Im listening to kinsgway library sounds as a whole ass album 💀


kirkalto

this what downloading the free FL Studio demo will do to a mf


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Butters_1017

Rate your music has tpab rated higher than ok computer the zoomers must be stopped


Joementum2004

Saturation 2 and 3 being higher than MATW and AEOM is worse


4815hurley162342

What are those acronyms? I want to listen to them if they're better than the Saturation albums


spunkymnky

These people cannot be bothered to take 2 seconds out of their busy schedule to type out album names and instead force me to have to take the 2 seconds out of my busy schedule to Google that shit smh *Me Against the World* and *All Eyez on Me*


4815hurley162342

Nah, I actually disagree. It's a cool thing that's like an inside joke in a way. And shorthand is pretty universal in jobs, look at the government every form and department and action someone takes has an acronym. And like, now that I know the acronyms for these albums its pretty easy to remember them. We don't need to get all high and mighty about every little thing. You never said yall before or some other slang? You couldn't take the 2 seconds out of your day to finish that word? That's such a silly argument.


gurdijak

That's just bad writing though. It's one thing if the acronym makes sense in context, like saying TPAB in a thread about Kendrick, but MATW and AEOM aren't really instantly understandable in this context since we're talking about overall rap album ratings.


4815hurley162342

Hmmmm ok. That makes sense. Make sure there's context first. Although, I'd argue some albums transcend context like MBDTF and as you mentioned TPAB. But even then there's some context because we're in the rap sub.


gurdijak

AEOM is a lot more understandable in a rap context since it's a significant album, same with MBDTF (and in that case considering how long the album title is, everyone shortens it anyway). Since it is an older album than the other two, it's not like instantly understood. Me Against The World probably less so as I don't think it's as popular a Tupac album as Don Killuninati or All Eyez On Me, though I'm not big into Pac so I could be wrong.


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4815hurley162342

Thanks, homie. Not better than Saturations.


t-why

There's a lot of old historic low GRODT ratings there from the 00s when backpackers thought 50 was the antithesis of everything Hip Hop should be. The rating has been rising over the last decade though, so you can actually thank the zoomers for that. But its still not as high as it should be.


ziizii3

lol always loved those people back then who thought they had a purer idea of what hip hop should be than Dre/Em/Jam Master Jay who all pushed 50 to the level he achieved and vouched for him


aimfortango

GRODT has the better highlights but Savage mode II is the better project


ziizii3

wtf? i can tell you're either trolling or have never listened to get rich or die trying to begin with because this is the stupidest thing written in this thread - you're saying the tape that has the streak of Many Men -> In Da Club -> High All The Time -> Heat -> If I Can't and then later has tracks like Back Down, P.I.M.P, 21 Questions, Wanksta, Lifes On The Line is a weaker project than savage mode 2, a weaker sequel to a noteworthy tape that is savage 1 lol lay off the crack


aimfortango

1- i didnt say grodt is weaker, i saidsavage mode II is a better project front to back, that doesnt mean grodt is weak 2- savage mode 2 washes savage 1


Butters_1017

Ok I wasn't sure at first but now you're definitely trolling


poopdick69420

Lol fr GRODT could have been Patiently waiting, Many Men, P.I.M.P, If I Can't, and 15 tracks of fart noises in between and still been a better front to back listen than Savage Mode 2


Butters_1017

yeah and also sm1 >>> sm2


cooldudeman007

No no no no no


colbster411

Don’t look at the trap rankings on there


Jordanwolf98

If Rodeo not 1 imma be disappointed


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OGthizzco

Ned vs Everybody


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OGthizzco

Ned - 400 Bars and Runnin


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OGthizzco

🫡


cooldudeman007

👀 🤨


codeine_turtle

how many times have you listened to grodt? insane take


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Homiealmaya

I refuse to believe 50 Cent is anyone’s least favorite mainstream NY rapper in a world where 6ix9ine, Lil Tjay, and A Boogie exist


codeine_turtle

You're doing yourself a huge disservice by not listening. It's an amazing album that's legendary for a reason


ziizii3

I guarantee that most zoomers probably still would rate Get Rich or Die Tryin' higher it's just that rateyourmusic users aren't exactly the ones you should go to for rap opinions - i'd trust them on rock music if I listened to that but everytime I see them talk about rap it's really weird as fuck


Dumbo_Mutombo

What’s the best music rating site for predominantly hip hop and R&B listeners?


codeine_turtle

there isn't one really


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LocalUnionThug

He got too rich, at a certain point it’s not cool any more


flattsrascal

Ridiculous imo… back in the day you had cats listening to his music every other corner. And mind you this was in the south. He’s the perfect mix of commercial juggernaut and technical prowess… its why guys like nasty nas don’t get their flowers as much these days


Butters_1017

When he started getting bad press from crypto if you mean in general


LthePerry02

Because he gets 10x more praise and attention for performing one DJ Khaled verse than Nas does for dropping 4 of his best albums in a two year span


Jqshipp

Didn't Nas win best rap album like two years ago?


LthePerry02

Yes, but it wasn’t like he was respected for it Instead of congratulating him, this sub + Twitter and wherever were all just like “Alfredo should’ve won”


Jqshipp

This Sub+Twitter are also where I saw him getting the most praise for "4 of his best albums in a two year span" though. Also where I see "Jay Z is overrated" the most.


ReeG

To be fair Nas did win a Grammy for KD1 while Hov hasn't since 1999 and anyone who actually pays attention to the genre knows no one is fucking with Nas right now. The recent praise and attention has more to do with the Grammy's actually giving the genre the time of day to close out the show with a 8 min rap performance while letting Hov do his entire verse.


t-why

> When did it become so popular for people to call Jay Z overrated and mid? Always, lol. While there has been an increase recently for all the reasons Tak listed, Jay has always been a target for overrated talk. Since the very beginning. Reasonable Doubt wasn't an instant classic. It took Jay 10 years of campaigning and bigging up that album for it to be recognized as a classic. Before Jay blew up with Vol 2, it was considered a pretty good album by Biggie's buddy. Then Jay blew up with Vol 2, largely from a corny novelty single (Hardknock Life). By the time Jay started calling himself the GOAT (The Blueprint) we were right in the middle of the Jay Vs Nas beef, and naturally during that time Team Nas fans would write full fucking thesis essays on message boards about how Jay was an overrated hack, lol. There's always been a contingent of Hip Hop fans that saw Jay as a pop artist, a sellout, someone who was more concerned with commercialism than art. Sure, these criticisms have quieted down from some as the years have gone by, but some still stand by them.


ReeG

> By the time Jay started calling himself the GOAT (The Blueprint) we were right in the middle of the Jay Vs Nas beef, and naturally during that time Team Nas fans would write full fucking thesis essays on message boards about how Jay was an overrated hack, lol. There's always been a contingent of Hip Hop fans that saw Jay as a pop artist, a sellout, someone who was more concerned with commercialism than art. This is definitely facts and I was in that camp myself at the height of the beef but anyone still hanging onto these beliefs decades later in 2023 is nuts. Hovs legacy and longevity speaks for itself at this point


tak08810

Since Jay Z started calling him the best rapper alive but it ebbs and flows but more recently it’s been stronger maybe with increasing years since his last dope album *4:44* and being in the news for shit like comparing the word “capitalist” to the n word or trying to teach people in Marcy about cryptocurrency. I also think Nas’s recent strong albums have at least some part to do with it as even though the beef’s been over for so long people still naturally compare the two - and one often does well when the other seems in a slump. The final part that may be contributing is the long period of time Jay’s albums were only on Tidal although they hasn’t been the case for awhile so I don’t know if that’s still to play now.


ReeG

>it’s been stronger maybe with increasing years since his last dope album 4:44 and being in the news for shit like comparing the word “capitalist” to the n word or trying to teach people in Marcy about cryptocurrency Anyone who would use this as a knock against Hov is missing the context where this all happened 20+ years into his career while approaching and now being in his 50s which is far greater longevity than the majority of hip hop artists will ever see. Nas is on his own plane of existence lapping everyone in the genre at this point but Hov's accomplishments, longevity and relevancy across a decades long career is anything but mid and overrated. If Jay Z is mid, what does that make all the artists who didn't and won't make it past year 10?


tak08810

Of course you’re right but people only remember or focus on what’s recent


ReeG

after reading someone here was in middle school in 2013 I realized no take is off limits as you mostly have no idea who's saying what online