I stand by the fact that Yeezus was kanye's last great solo album. Not that anything past that wasn't good but that was the last album that had clear direction. There seemed to be no direction after that. Like the albums lost the whole thematic element they had prior. Great songs but as albums they definitely stepped down from his previous work
What about Kids See Ghosts?
Also an album needs to have a “thematic element” to be great? There’s definitely some amazing albums I can think of that don’t really have that
I dunno. It feels so consistent to me. I love the whole thing.
But I am well aware that's a hot take. I've always stood by it even by version 1.0 idk it's really a lot of what I want from Kanye even if I prefer yeezus now
Yeah I Still Dont Feel Nun was good and so was the collab tape with Dugg.
But with this album, the beats are weak as fuck + too much singing.
Even his last project wasn't the best but it was still decent, this one is a straight miss in my opinion.
In that same ATL scene, youd probably like MARCO PLUS’ Tha Souf Got Sum 2 Say & Tha Soufside Villain LP, Deante Hitchcock’s So Much For Good Luck, Sy Ari Da Kid’s Better Safe Than Sy Ari, they’ve all collabed with at least one of the artists you mentioned and there’s various features from the artists you mentioned amongst the projects I mentioned.
Otherwise try Lukah’s When The Black Hand Touches You or Medhane’s Do The Math, demajiae’s And, Such Is Life, Ovrkast.’s Try Again, or Navy Blue’s Song Of Sage: Post Panic!
Been meaning to check out Marco
I can’t find the deante project I’ve heard BETTER tho and it was in my rotation for quite a while the deluxe too
I know one song by sy ari I may dive in soon
Thanks for all the suggestions bro!
Rae Sremmurd and Daniel Caesar dropping on April 7 and Sosa on April 14
Birthday week looks pretty good music wise, just wish Black Thought didn’t move back his album a few weeks
That would be interesting to hear him on that type of production. Similarly he has a track with Alchemist that goes stupid hard https://youtu.be/fT5KJhMV27A
If you follow the Jacksonville scene you prob heard of Jdot Breezy, he got songs wit Yungeen Ace & Lil Poppa.
He recently got exposed for snitching but released a song basically saying its okay coz he snitched in 2017 but he only got involved in the the streets in 2019 🤣 do people think this makes him a rat or nah?
Yeah I still play him. Shit Gunna still one of my favorite artists and Durk out here saying “what happened to Virgil he prolly gon tell” in his songs lol
Hit boy has gone so downhill in these recent years… remember when he was on fire back in the early 10’s? Damn what a run. Sadly nothing he’s made since around then has been on that same level. I will probably not be listening to this.
Better than goldie? N***** in paris? Im sorry but his songs simply don’t reach those heights anymore. And while there’s something to be said for consistency I am not a fan of the bland, stock sample pack, gentrified boom bap that he’s been making lately.
Carti one is super iconic even though it's his most effortless album. It has more iconic ass songs than future
I almost made a comment saying "which one has with wokeuplikethis" then realized theres like 3 more songs as iconic or more
So this might be tough for me. Frank has the highest high with Blonde that’s better than any album I heard from Tyler and Earl(didn’t listen to all of their albums from them just saying so this can change)but I only return to one album which is Blonde for Frank. The best artist man I might go Tyler since I feel like his albums fill more complete to me and fleshed out I’m mostly talking about their later work. Frank is my least favorite I’m not crazy about Channel Orange but it’s been over 2 years since I listened to it, also didn’t listen to the Mixtape.
i think some people see it as sort of him fumbling what he eventually got right in Flower Boy, which I understand, but the messiness and diversity of the album even within some of the tracks really appeals to me.
Nothing beats Blonde but I would say Tyler is the best because he has more albums than Frank and he consistently releases good music, whereas Frank hasn’t released much in his time as a major artist.
Frank and I have the best 2 albums between the 3 being from him. Probably go Don’t like Shit or Doris 3rd. Tyler is the only one who I don’t really go back to a lot
Cause the dropwatch threads are way more manageable imo. When I go to indieheads on Friday there’s so much shit. I usually check the ones that get tagged with 👀 had good luck with those
You know I’m not a huge fan of his music but Tupac was definitely a really hot piece of ass. I can see why bitches loved him, the way he’s gazing into your eyes on the cover of All Eyez On Me is really something else. He just has that really sexy aura of masculinity about him
Yeah exactly, the whole warrior poet thing, it really gets the ladies going. I can see why Jada is still hung up on him, being with Pac was probably very much a “us vs. the world” type feeling. Like Han Solo and Princess Leia kinda
Does Spotify promote certain artists more than others? I listened to Live At SoFi like two weeks ago and it’s STILL in my “recently played” lol. Or I’ll listen to one song with Drake on it and they’ll try to cram him down my throat for a month
That’d drive me crazy. My recently played always is in the right order havent seen it fucked up. It doesn’t add them if you queue songs tho that gets me. Like I want to queue up two projects in a row and listen but only the one I hit play on will show up.
> You're scrapping with your partner, there ain't no choppas in that rental
> Instrumentals get hit with riddles, we flossin with that dental
> Got gospel samples stuck between my cuspid and my wisdom
> That's metabolism
verse of the year
listened to both new maxo and liv.e, both were just fine but i will relisten. the year started a bit slow but the next two months are gonna be great. really excited for peggy and danny, and navy blue next week. looking forward to new gecs tomorrow too despite not liking the singles i've heard or the ep they released
I have been going to concerts since the mid 90s, I remember I would jump in the car with my girl and a couple friends and we’d make the drive from memphis to the ATL some weekends so we could catch Kilo ali, outkast, or DJ Smurf or whoever was visiting that weekend for five to ten bucks. Things have sure changed these days… although let me tell you… ive seen probably hundreds of artists over the years from The Wu to Gangsta Boo (RIP) and Drake is by far the greatest and most enjoyable artist i’ve had the pleasure of watching live. The way he commands the attention of the audience is mind bending to me, he has them hanging on his every word. I once saw him tell an entire stadium of people to “quiet down for a sec” and the entire place got pin drop silent in less than ten seconds let me tell you, and then as soon as that happened we heard “JUST BLAZE” and lord knows came right on, skipping the intro and everything, rick ross came out and slapped his shirtless belly and whole place went nuts… i damn near shit myself. Anyways, just my two cents. I’m having some mobility issues these days so I haven’t been able to get out to concerts in a while, especially with covid and what not. Anyways, I hope you have a great time. Id pay a lot more than $700 right now to experience that moment again
I'd like to know more about the musical cpntext of T.I.s 2nd album Trap Muzik from 2003.
it is often cited as the firdt trap album, and I think there is the probability that TI and his producers actively tried to create a new sound for the record
on the other side, I think there are probably albums with the same production and lyrical ideas before that. What would be some obvious influences for TI around that time (2003)?
Old Head Issue but what is and isn’t Trap is kind of a mystery to me sometimes, so get ready from some real janky takes:
> it is often cited as the first trap album
I don’t know if I agree. Dope Boyz and the I’m Serious Remix (from I’m Serious) sound way more trap than most of Trap Muzik (Rubber Band Man and Look What I Got are kinda in the ballpark). I’m not married to this opinion; I would be interested if some one can explain why people feel this way about Trap Muzik
> on the other side, I think there are probably albums with the same production and lyrical ideas before that. What would be some obvious influences for TI around that time (2003)?
I don’t know if I can think of an album that was trap beats only from before, like, the mid 00s. The best candidate I got is Pastor Troy’s Face Off from 2001 (his first album from 99 too)—this is, to me, the first album that kinda sounds like what trap is/what it became. Also, the first couple Camouflage albums (who was from Savannah and died in 2003) have that same vibe for me. Strictly 4 Da Streetz is the only one on streaming.
Jeezy’s Trap or Die tape, Thug Motivation 101 and especially The Inspiration sound a lot more like the foundation to me than anything from the first few TI albums. All of those albums are post 2003 so I’m not sure they count but Shawty Redd deserves to be acknowledged so I’m mentioning them anyway.
Trap is such a diverse genre that it totally depends who you ask
I say 3 6 was proto trap that was heavily influential in leading to trap Muzik existing. I think there's an argument Gucci beat ti or Jeezy maybe but idk
I'm not so sure either. I need some refresher or anecdotes on this myself.
it's definitely not all 3-6 Mafia releases that would fall under that though since they had a different sound in the early and mid 90s. the subject matter was definitely there though especially with Project Pat
No Limit artists like Soulja Slim and C-Murder are very close to what we listen to today too
I think three six is retroactively the origin of modern trap. By that i mean 2010 onwards. But at the time they didnt think they were making trap music. I was living in memphis for a brief stint in the 90s and we called it crunk music. But that label got co-opted by atlanta eventually.
who do you guys think is the modern day eminem?
lil dicky
i forgot about him
Are we allowed to post 10,000 Gecs on here?
No
Wow, I thought they'd get an R&B singer for the Creepin remix. Nope, they got Diddy, who added nothing at all.
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Rory from the rory and mal podcast dropped a song with Reggie and Jay electronica, odd collab but it’s nice
new rxk nephew album is awesome, really converted me
I stand by the fact that Yeezus was kanye's last great solo album. Not that anything past that wasn't good but that was the last album that had clear direction. There seemed to be no direction after that. Like the albums lost the whole thematic element they had prior. Great songs but as albums they definitely stepped down from his previous work
What about Kids See Ghosts? Also an album needs to have a “thematic element” to be great? There’s definitely some amazing albums I can think of that don’t really have that
Good point but I don't think it necessarily has to but it does push the album up for me personally. I find it a negative when it's too messy as well
That's gotta be why he specified solo album
Tlop was so fucking good why do people hate it. How you gonna tell me it's not cinematic when it's maximalist asf
It's good album. FML to Wolves is phenomenonal buuuut it's not as consistent. It feels like a collection of songs vs the very obvious themes of yeezus
I dunno. It feels so consistent to me. I love the whole thing. But I am well aware that's a hot take. I've always stood by it even by version 1.0 idk it's really a lot of what I want from Kanye even if I prefer yeezus now
Freestyle 4 is inexcusable but the rest of the songs are good, overall I think it’s a great album
Freestyle 4 is inexcusable but lowlights is fine??
Lowlights aint even a song, its like an interlude or intermission
I fuckin love freestyle 4 lmao. Aggressive and left field af I think there's an argument tlop is his most experimental even compared to yeezus
Freestyle 4 has a great beat Check out the song it samples, Human by Goldfrapp
Anyone else here come to terms with the fact they're a munch or is that still a taboo subject?
If Childish Gambino just released the Guava Island soundtrack he'd have his best album ever
BTI already exists
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I agree can’t let shit stay unaddressed
Facts trauma is real, you may need therapy (not in bad way)
It def does heal wounds u either trippin or ur brain sucks
Man that new EST Gee project is not good. Fuck.. what a waste of project.. was hyped asf for it.
He peaked with I Still Dont Feel Nun idk if he still work with Forever Rollin much but he sounds the best on his beats
Yeah I Still Dont Feel Nun was good and so was the collab tape with Dugg. But with this album, the beats are weak as fuck + too much singing. Even his last project wasn't the best but it was still decent, this one is a straight miss in my opinion.
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Is anyone else seriously addicted to the new lil yatchy album??? I cant stop listening to it
Its alright
no
100%. my top albums last 90 days [right here](https://i.imgur.com/77rGLup.jpg)
astroworld as your most listened in 2023 is crazy, did you just discover/rediscover it or have you just been listening consistently for 5 years?
just discovered it back in november. didn't let myself like travis until now. i am an idiot.
I couldn't get into it lmao I like 2 songs but it just makes me go listen to tame and animal collective lol
Looking for some good modern-ish lyrical rap albums to fill out my night. I like GRIP, Kenny Mason, JID, etc etc. any recs?
We The People - Jabo, Translee, and Jay Dot Rain (Distractions is 🔥)
Is that the same Translee that's got stuff with T.I. and Sy Ari da Kid?
Yes
Nice, haven't heard much from him. Also your username sounds like a great title for a Pusha T or Jadakiss album.
I also really like his albums Culture Junky, M.A.O.T.P., pt.1, and Freedom Summer
Well I now know where to start with the dude, thanks.
Add-2 - Jim Crow The Musical Juggaknots - Hindsight
Few good things by saba
Amazing album I just ran it back a week or so ago. Didn’t think it was his best effort when it came out but now I think it’s his best project fs
[billy woods - hiding places](https://open.spotify.com/album/0HmKhR7Umt3ACs52ZLnKyK?si=rNwGMl8fRqCX1JwQlTIL0g) [aesop rock - none shall pass](https://open.spotify.com/album/0u5NLD5OgDGDlpCIia1Igx?si=hM0aGLRpS82_pkCrwNTfKw) [clipping - visions of bodies being burned](https://open.spotify.com/album/0b1q9se93BEqBl3kiltn33?si=DsU2h3-GQmGZoRsFSF5DKA)
In that same ATL scene, youd probably like MARCO PLUS’ Tha Souf Got Sum 2 Say & Tha Soufside Villain LP, Deante Hitchcock’s So Much For Good Luck, Sy Ari Da Kid’s Better Safe Than Sy Ari, they’ve all collabed with at least one of the artists you mentioned and there’s various features from the artists you mentioned amongst the projects I mentioned. Otherwise try Lukah’s When The Black Hand Touches You or Medhane’s Do The Math, demajiae’s And, Such Is Life, Ovrkast.’s Try Again, or Navy Blue’s Song Of Sage: Post Panic!
Been meaning to check out Marco I can’t find the deante project I’ve heard BETTER tho and it was in my rotation for quite a while the deluxe too I know one song by sy ari I may dive in soon Thanks for all the suggestions bro!
Maybe you'd like red veil
I’ll give Learn 2 Swim a relisten. I only took away a couple tracks the first time but I like his production and style
I listened last night and didn't like it really but it seemed like it could be up your alley
Rae Sremmurd and Daniel Caesar dropping on April 7 and Sosa on April 14 Birthday week looks pretty good music wise, just wish Black Thought didn’t move back his album a few weeks
The Stove God Cooks x Cool & Dre clip sounds nice
ICECOLDBISHOP’s debut album comes out next week. Don’t sleep on it, he’s gonna get big I think
Refuse to believe it until it's saved in my library
Ohh thats dope, was wondering when he was going to drop an album. Check out this if you haven’t https://youtu.be/Wy2j5NWtSEQ
I've only heard him on Hot Water Tank, that feature is great and I'm looking forward to the album, thanks for mentioning it
He just had a feature on Murs ep. He can’t miss
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That would be interesting to hear him on that type of production. Similarly he has a track with Alchemist that goes stupid hard https://youtu.be/fT5KJhMV27A
IM ON THE EXXX IM ON THE CODEINEEE!
He should’ve got like SZA and Bryson on that and made “I’m on the X on the Codeine” into a real ballad
CODEINE UP‼️‼️ CODEINE UP‼️‼️‼️
i wish Spitta did more with the first half on Still Stoned On Ocean, that beat is too nice
If you follow the Jacksonville scene you prob heard of Jdot Breezy, he got songs wit Yungeen Ace & Lil Poppa. He recently got exposed for snitching but released a song basically saying its okay coz he snitched in 2017 but he only got involved in the the streets in 2019 🤣 do people think this makes him a rat or nah?
Grandfathered into snitching lmao At least he’s owning it
If that shit works, Boston Richey might gotta try that
Man i think im still gonna bump boston richey on the low, hes too cold
Yeah I still play him. Shit Gunna still one of my favorite artists and Durk out here saying “what happened to Virgil he prolly gon tell” in his songs lol
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Interested to see if he ends up putting that song out
Hit-Boy just announced his solo album “Surf Or Drown” on TIDAL Check In and said it drops next week Also said that he and Alc are doing an EP together
This is all good news
Hit boy has gone so downhill in these recent years… remember when he was on fire back in the early 10’s? Damn what a run. Sadly nothing he’s made since around then has been on that same level. I will probably not be listening to this.
Yeah his boombap is pretty generic. Much better for bangers, west coast stuff, and hits like you said
I strongly disagree with this. His recent stuff has been much better to me
Better than goldie? N***** in paris? Im sorry but his songs simply don’t reach those heights anymore. And while there’s something to be said for consistency I am not a fan of the bland, stock sample pack, gentrified boom bap that he’s been making lately.
>I am not a fan of the bland, stock sample pack, gentrified boom bap that he’s been making lately. I mean Goldie could be called that too
I personally don’t like either of those songs. I gravitate towards the stuff he’s done with Nas & Benny The Butcher over the last couple of years.
KD2 and Magic are awesome
I will say… magic had some gems… speechless comes to mind
New Yung Mal project is fire, he top 5 outta Atlanta fs
Yung Mal is cool but no way in hell is he top 5 outta ATL especially if you’re talking all time
In the last 3-5 years he in my top 5. His projects are always consistent he got sum of the best beat selection too
Aight yeah that’s a much more reasonable take lmao
Didn't know about that, will check it out.
Lmk what u think of the Yung Maris feature lol
That kid rapping about getting good grades and his parents loving him was awesome
Not a rapper I've heard of before, this is either gonna be unexpectedly fire, or major trash lol.
What’s the better Self Titled Album: Future or Playboi Carti?
Carti one is super iconic even though it's his most effortless album. It has more iconic ass songs than future I almost made a comment saying "which one has with wokeuplikethis" then realized theres like 3 more songs as iconic or more
Future is basically my goat but I’d probably go Carti on this one. I was never as big on FUTURE or HNDRXX as many others seemed to be
playboi carti
Future
I’d say Future’s but I like both.
Carti for sure and I don't even like him all that much and love Future
playboi carti easily
Just rewatched all the Rapper Warrior Ninja skits. You should too.
They are so fucking good
Between Tyler, Earl and Frank, who do you think ended up being the best artist? What is the best album between the three of them?
Call Me If You Get Lost IMO
Its easily his best probably the best of them all, but this sub is too cool for that album
Frank but Tyler is not far behind
Tyler and Igor, not too high on Blonde or any of Earl’s stuff
So this might be tough for me. Frank has the highest high with Blonde that’s better than any album I heard from Tyler and Earl(didn’t listen to all of their albums from them just saying so this can change)but I only return to one album which is Blonde for Frank. The best artist man I might go Tyler since I feel like his albums fill more complete to me and fleshed out I’m mostly talking about their later work. Frank is my least favorite I’m not crazy about Channel Orange but it’s been over 2 years since I listened to it, also didn’t listen to the Mixtape.
What about endless?
Didn’t listen which is crazy because I had Apple Music but just didn’t get to it lol.
Tyler and Cherry Bomb but I'm not really that into the others and i know everyone except me hates that album
I like Cherry Bomb, only did a proper listen once on it when i was going through Tylers discog not long ago but it was definitely good
i think some people see it as sort of him fumbling what he eventually got right in Flower Boy, which I understand, but the messiness and diversity of the album even within some of the tracks really appeals to me.
I think Tyler but it's super hard to compare. they're all in pretty different spaces but are all one of the best in their respective spaces
Nothing beats Blonde but I would say Tyler is the best because he has more albums than Frank and he consistently releases good music, whereas Frank hasn’t released much in his time as a major artist.
they're pretty close atp but i'd still give it to frank cause he's the most consistent, and blonde is the best album between them all
Frank and I have the best 2 albums between the 3 being from him. Probably go Don’t like Shit or Doris 3rd. Tyler is the only one who I don’t really go back to a lot
earl & blonde, ridiculous collection of talent though
why does r/hhh not do the thing that r/indieheads and r/popheads does when they show a couple of albums coming out that month
Hhh used to but dropwatch is better imo
dropwatch is unmanageable, im not listening to 100 albums a week lmao
I uh just pick and choose what I want to listen to tbh
You’re an adult. Listen to the albums you want to. Its just a list.
Yea I'd rather have a comprehensive list with everything on it. I'll listen to a random one, ones im hyped for, or whatever ones are getting hype here
im just a smol baby who doesnt wanna miss when albums by popular artists come out 🥺🥺🥺
Yes… so check the dropwatch list… either I am misunderstanding you, or you are misunderstanding the purpose of the list
you are misunderstanding, i dont know how to read i need to see pictures
Jeez… stop wasting everyone’s time here. You can obviously read you just replied to me… wth
Cause the dropwatch threads are way more manageable imo. When I go to indieheads on Friday there’s so much shit. I usually check the ones that get tagged with 👀 had good luck with those
the eyes flair just means the mods got the artist to do an AMA lol
You know I’m not a huge fan of his music but Tupac was definitely a really hot piece of ass. I can see why bitches loved him, the way he’s gazing into your eyes on the cover of All Eyez On Me is really something else. He just has that really sexy aura of masculinity about him
[💯](https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/06/16/21/17022009067146000123486-437x600.jpg)
Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting bussy
What the heck…
I wanna be his N-I-G-G-A
A bit much don’t you think… thats a dead man you’re speaking about.
He’s literally alive in Cuba
Disrespect of the dead will not get you many favours in life… i’d tread carefully if I were you.
ooh spooky skeletons gonna rise up and attack you
Not funny…
Ironic
What??
is the disrespectful part saying he's sexy or that he's alive in Cuba
He also had that "Thuggish and Rough but still a nice intelligent guy who wrote poetry" thing.
Yeah exactly, the whole warrior poet thing, it really gets the ladies going. I can see why Jada is still hung up on him, being with Pac was probably very much a “us vs. the world” type feeling. Like Han Solo and Princess Leia kinda
Seeing DEHH tear up an album is just pure nostalgia thank you Macklemore 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Alright since everyone is shitting so hard on this album im going to need to check it out.
I gotta see them review some Lil B again and it’ll feel like 2011 all over again
Myke screaming at Ken oh man lol that review is iconic
Does Spotify promote certain artists more than others? I listened to Live At SoFi like two weeks ago and it’s STILL in my “recently played” lol. Or I’ll listen to one song with Drake on it and they’ll try to cram him down my throat for a month
That’d drive me crazy. My recently played always is in the right order havent seen it fucked up. It doesn’t add them if you queue songs tho that gets me. Like I want to queue up two projects in a row and listen but only the one I hit play on will show up.
Anyone ever upload those physical only navy blue albums? Feel like I haven't heard anything about them in a while
i don't think they've shipped yet cause i haven't seen anyone post about it here or twitter
word makes sense, thanks
this one comment on his [discogs page](https://www.discogs.com/artist/6219038-Navy-Blue-5) says they started arriving yesterday but that's all i got
> You're scrapping with your partner, there ain't no choppas in that rental > Instrumentals get hit with riddles, we flossin with that dental > Got gospel samples stuck between my cuspid and my wisdom > That's metabolism verse of the year listened to both new maxo and liv.e, both were just fine but i will relisten. the year started a bit slow but the next two months are gonna be great. really excited for peggy and danny, and navy blue next week. looking forward to new gecs tomorrow too despite not liking the singles i've heard or the ep they released
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Testes
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Can you guys see this comment?
Does anybody know why some comments just say [unavailable] this is starting to annoy me
someone blocked you
People be blocking you On here I just have 1 I don't even remember why On r/rap I'm tryna make the entire sub just [unavailable]
funny cuz the other response to you says [unavailable] to me i think it just means they blocked you
Aye we got blocked by the same dude
Someone blocked you
Who blocked me
naw
You’re confusing me
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I have been going to concerts since the mid 90s, I remember I would jump in the car with my girl and a couple friends and we’d make the drive from memphis to the ATL some weekends so we could catch Kilo ali, outkast, or DJ Smurf or whoever was visiting that weekend for five to ten bucks. Things have sure changed these days… although let me tell you… ive seen probably hundreds of artists over the years from The Wu to Gangsta Boo (RIP) and Drake is by far the greatest and most enjoyable artist i’ve had the pleasure of watching live. The way he commands the attention of the audience is mind bending to me, he has them hanging on his every word. I once saw him tell an entire stadium of people to “quiet down for a sec” and the entire place got pin drop silent in less than ten seconds let me tell you, and then as soon as that happened we heard “JUST BLAZE” and lord knows came right on, skipping the intro and everything, rick ross came out and slapped his shirtless belly and whole place went nuts… i damn near shit myself. Anyways, just my two cents. I’m having some mobility issues these days so I haven’t been able to get out to concerts in a while, especially with covid and what not. Anyways, I hope you have a great time. Id pay a lot more than $700 right now to experience that moment again
I'd like to know more about the musical cpntext of T.I.s 2nd album Trap Muzik from 2003. it is often cited as the firdt trap album, and I think there is the probability that TI and his producers actively tried to create a new sound for the record on the other side, I think there are probably albums with the same production and lyrical ideas before that. What would be some obvious influences for TI around that time (2003)?
Old Head Issue but what is and isn’t Trap is kind of a mystery to me sometimes, so get ready from some real janky takes: > it is often cited as the first trap album I don’t know if I agree. Dope Boyz and the I’m Serious Remix (from I’m Serious) sound way more trap than most of Trap Muzik (Rubber Band Man and Look What I Got are kinda in the ballpark). I’m not married to this opinion; I would be interested if some one can explain why people feel this way about Trap Muzik > on the other side, I think there are probably albums with the same production and lyrical ideas before that. What would be some obvious influences for TI around that time (2003)? I don’t know if I can think of an album that was trap beats only from before, like, the mid 00s. The best candidate I got is Pastor Troy’s Face Off from 2001 (his first album from 99 too)—this is, to me, the first album that kinda sounds like what trap is/what it became. Also, the first couple Camouflage albums (who was from Savannah and died in 2003) have that same vibe for me. Strictly 4 Da Streetz is the only one on streaming. Jeezy’s Trap or Die tape, Thug Motivation 101 and especially The Inspiration sound a lot more like the foundation to me than anything from the first few TI albums. All of those albums are post 2003 so I’m not sure they count but Shawty Redd deserves to be acknowledged so I’m mentioning them anyway.
thanks for the comment. I don't have any answers sadly, but you made me curious to check out Camoflauge
Wouldn’t Three 6 be the first instance of trap or is it just horrorcore? I always get confused with the origins of trap tbh.
Trap is such a diverse genre that it totally depends who you ask I say 3 6 was proto trap that was heavily influential in leading to trap Muzik existing. I think there's an argument Gucci beat ti or Jeezy maybe but idk
I'm not so sure either. I need some refresher or anecdotes on this myself. it's definitely not all 3-6 Mafia releases that would fall under that though since they had a different sound in the early and mid 90s. the subject matter was definitely there though especially with Project Pat No Limit artists like Soulja Slim and C-Murder are very close to what we listen to today too
I think three six is retroactively the origin of modern trap. By that i mean 2010 onwards. But at the time they didnt think they were making trap music. I was living in memphis for a brief stint in the 90s and we called it crunk music. But that label got co-opted by atlanta eventually.