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Retrofreq

I said “low-key one of the forfathers of Grime” and yes he his. Dizzee: Can you give us an idea of how you structure your ideas and thoughts into beats and lyrics. Do you have a method behind your work? Sometimes I might write a song to a totally different piece of music. Maybe months down the line I may find a beat that I actually like, that goes well with it and that becomes the song. The lyrics to my first track ‘I Luv You’ I actually wrote on top of a Jay-Z track called ‘Is That Your Chick?’ with a Timbaland beat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQC-Z3S8NbY


capacop

He does have quite a few beats closer to the 140 bpm mark with the skippy hats and percussion that makes a grime beat


MickHucknall123

He deffo is a big influence on the sounds. Especially for the early producers. Timberland produced JT beat: https://youtu.be/niHV-tZqDU8


PLASMAHANDS4

Its another german guy telling us Memphis and Timbaland invented grime. No no no no. Does Pulse X sound like Timbaland? No


Retrofreq

Pulse X sounds like many early Electro Hop (Hiphop) records from 1982 with distorted 808’s and synths, this sound later morphed into Chicago House, Techno, Miami Bass and Trap, which are both Hiphop and Timberland draws heavily from this sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3QHj7lai9I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na7lIb09898 London Circa 1983 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY


PLASMAHANDS4

Pulse X does not sound like electro, can't believe you posted Clear ffs 😤. We've had this discussion over and over again


Retrofreq

Electro is in the DNA of Pulse X as it’s the backbone for modern Dance music, you wouldn’t even know of an 808 if it wasn’t for this era of early Hiphop, it’s simply history repeating, please do your research as your limited point of musical reference is failing you here, respectfully!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro_(music) Following the decline of disco music in the United States, electro emerged as a fusion of funk[9] and early hip-hop with principal influences from New York boogie, German and Japanese electronic pop music. The genre emerged with musicians Arthur Baker, Afrika Bambaataa, Warp 9, and Hashim. Seminal electro tracks included "Planet Rock" (1982) and "Nunk" (1982), both featuring its characteristic TR-808 drum beats. The early 1980s were electro's mainstream peak. By the mid 1980s, the genre moved away from its electronic and funk influences, using harder edged beats and rock samples, exemplified by Run DMC. Electro became popular again in the late 1990s with artists such as Anthony Rother and DJs such as Dave Clarke.[10] A third wave of popularity occurred in 2007. Electro has branched out into subgenres, including electrocore and skweee.


PLASMAHANDS4

Lol pulse X is not electro. I'm sorry you felt obliged to sperg out about electro to me, but I am familiar with the genre. I did listen to music before grime. Now that's out the way, Pulse X does not sound like electro


Retrofreq

Pulse X has the components of and sounds like many early Electro records, just with a distorted 808. If you can’t make the connection I suggest you listen to Electro Hop further. Electro is the Sabber tooth Tiger to Pulse X’s domestic cat.


PLASMAHANDS4

By that extension everything stems from Kraftwerk. So what, Youngstar used an 808. And? 🤷‍♂️


Retrofreq

Kraftwerk synth wise yes, but they weren’t using 808’s or drum programming rhythmically to the level of Arthur Baker and others. Truth is the game changed when Planet Rock dropped, that was the electronic fusion that is closely related to Grime as Grime is simply following the early Electro Hop to HipHouse trajectory, again history repeating.


PLASMAHANDS4

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Keyfatal

Do you have a list of his beats tho ? I'm genuinely interested.


Retrofreq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFMXhXV1Ok Used on Jammers Destruction V.I.P. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQC-Z3S8NbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWV2gtqTrso Sampled by So Solid and used on Oh Know


Keyfatal

Ok I see. I know about is that your chick. It influenced I luv u.


Retrofreq

In 1998 the club and MTV sounded like this because of Timbaland and Grime took note years later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un3NkWnHl9Q


UnorthodoxTactics

Yo i might be crazy but does this busta flow not sound like something Big Zuu would spit?


ICEBERG_SHORT

you're reaching mate, may as well say three 6 mafia is a forefather of grime. OH NO IS FUCKING GARAGE


Retrofreq

Nah just telling the truth, if you were outside for these movements you wouldn’t question the facts. Simply check the dates of the records and ask your favourite MC’s what they were listening to when the wrote their rhymes then later went out to the club or radio to spit the bars lol.


ICEBERG_SHORT

you're telling your opinion, musical influence does not equal founding or being a forefather of a genre loool


Retrofreq

You sound real dumb there, just go listen to the tape packs. Timbaland is responsible for the wave of rappers spitting double timed throughout the mid 90’s most of the first grime beats were patterned off of him, he is “low-key one of the founding fathers” he dominated radio and the clubs. https://youtu.be/OD8zvartKas


ICEBERG_SHORT

define what a "founding father" is, cos clearly you think it just means some sort of music that influenced another genre, when it isn't. the founding fathers are the guys who made the original shit, pushed it, played it and influenced other to make music the same. none of his music sounds like grime, Big H was listening to biggie and tupac and shit when skepta was his DJ are you gonna call them founding fathers of grime? grime has way more influences than timbaland man.


Retrofreq

Yeah for Dizzee’s portion of Grime