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Lost_Bid4099

Road rap


garagemonkey93

Uk rap


mrdibby

rap i don't think we often used the term "hip hop" that commonly to describe our music to me "hip hop" was always more associated with boom bap/old skool style beats. but the guys from the ends, from the same culture as grime came from, they made "rap"


AdaptedMix

I've never heard anybody make a distinction between 'rap' and 'hip hop' as genres until your comment. In my experience, rap as a noun is just a lazy shorthand for hip hop, and derived from rap as a verb - because it's the manner of vocal delivery common (but not exclusive) to hip hop. Klashnekoff, Blak Twang, and even Kano on occasion... they make UK hip hop, imo, regardless of the fact they're from the ends.


mrdibby

I agree with you but I think there is a cultural and musical separation between the rap that 90s kids from the ends were making, and what we find very easy to call "hip hop" (Black Twang, Klashnekoff and such). I agree it's wrong to distinguish between the two by using "hip-hop" and "rap" as separate labels, but for lack of better ones that's kinda how I've always done so.


AdaptedMix

Yeah I get the desire to distinguish between the old-school and the new-school - between the sample-based, golden-era boom-bap stuff and the DAW-produced, MIDI-heavy modern stuff. To me, both sit under the hip hop umbrella, but hip hop is as broad a genre as rock, where doom metal sounds a million miles away from prog rock, which sounds a million miles away from punk rock. It's such a broad church. Thank fuck for subgenres.


Internal_Formal3915

Rap, grime, drill and a lot more are all sub genres of hip hop… hip hop stretches even further than that as it is a culture beyond just music


ReaverRiddle

Grime isn't a subgenre of hip hop. It evolved from garage. And "rap" is just a synonym for hip hop (or a way of describing the vocal style), it isn't a sub genre of hip hop, it's just another name for it.


Shogun_RR

Musically yes, lyrically and structurally grime took a lot of elements from us Rap, combined them together with dancehall, and jungle influences and became grime.


ReaverRiddle

I don't think that's true. There's nothing "lyrically" in grime that can't be found in garage and dancehall but can be found in hip hop. Some artists were a bit more rap-influenced than others (Kano, Ghetts, Durrty Goodz) but those artists also made hip hop. Other grime MCs sound entirely untouched by US hip hop (Wiley, Jammer, D Double E, Discarda, Flirta D). It wasn't until trap came about (fully-developed trap i.e. Lex Luger production) that grime riddims started to overlap with hip hop, but that's because hip hop moved closer to 140bpm around 2010.


Shogun_RR

I'm not claiming us Rap as the sole influence at all but when it comes to lyrical structuring there is a lot that's evidently influenced by hip-hop. I was around during the jungle days and for me the rhyme schemes of the typical grime MC has more in common with hip-hop than the chat of garage/jungle a lot of which was nonsensical 😅 Even with regards tempo you do have artists in the US like the Fu Snickens, Bone Thugs, Twista, Tonedeff etc etc. For me I see grime as a genuine mish mash of influences and a true organic UK (truly London) sound. Edit: also to be clear I'm more talking about the evolution of the sound. I do agree that some of the early guys were very garage influenced but even proto grime ala So Solid was heavily rap influenced.


ReaverRiddle

Fair enough, thre's not a lot to disagree with there.


d_double_e_bot

Head get mangled then dangled, to the side just like I wear my Kangol


Internal_Formal3915

Grime evolved from grime? And like I said hip hop is a culture that stems beyond just music Google hip hop sub genres


ReaverRiddle

I meant to say grime evolved from garage. I know that there are sub genres to hip hop (drill, as you said), but grime isn't one of them.


Internal_Formal3915

Ahh yeye garage haha I wondered what you meant. It’s a weird one because garage is more dance music in a way, same with drum and bass rappers those two are in their own crazy category


ReaverRiddle

Yeah. I wouldn't even call them rappers, I'd call them MCs. I just use "rap"/"rapper" to describe hip hop MCing. If the genre is garage, grime, dnB/jungle, dancehall, scouse house/donk etc. I just called it MCing.


BlazeZootsTootToot

Lmao Rap is not a synonym for Hip Hop


ReaverRiddle

It is though. Rap has two meanings - hip hop (as a genre of music), and the vocal style using in hip hop (as in rapping). When people say "rap music", they mean hip hop and vice versa. There is no other consistent meaning of "rap music". All rap music is hip hop and all hip hop is rap music (unless it is instrumental).


BlazeZootsTootToot

Lmao tf


Madbrad200

people defo use 'rap' as a synonym for hip hop colloquially


BlazeZootsTootToot

Well yeah colloquially ofc but you shouldn't act like that's the real meaning of the word when explaining it. Rap and Hip Hop by themselves are 2 fundamentally different things. Saying all Rap music is Hip Hop is just wrong and disrespectful to the culture. I know that 99% of people will literally not care but to me it's annoying to hear that. A new age sound cloud rapper yelling in the mic with autotune ain't hip hop It's like me saying Drill is the same as Grime because they're both MCs with similar backgrounds on ~140bpm beats


JesusSwag

Rap is just a stand-in for hip hop. Would you argue that trap isn't a part of the hip hop genre and culture?


BlazeZootsTootToot

Many people would argue that it's not since Trap is very devoid from basically all classic Hip Hop "principles" that created the genre back in the day. The pioneers of Trap (Memphis sound) also weren't called Hip Hop back then either in the 90s, they were just called rap or even something like horrorcore. Not Hip-Hop. People made a clear distinction. Hip Hop used to be a culture not and not a music style. Rap is just a part of the Hip Hop culture. It's died out nowadays but the "Real Hip Hop" debate was huge some years back. People consider [this](https://www.soulonewyork.com/blog-posts/what-are-the-5-elements-of-hip-hop-2) the pillars of Hip Hop. If you weren't into all of these, you were a Rapper not a Hip Hop MC. I think the reason people have such Rap = Hip Hop image these days is from the music industry who has always lumped them together as Hip-Hop/Rap. Not trying to sound like a old ass guy, obviously terms can change through time and that's a good thing, just giving perspective. Hip-Hop as a full culture has never truly come to Europe.


XoffeeXup

this all the way. Hiphop is a musical culture that often utilises rapping, that doesn't mean rapping=hiphop or viceversa. I would disagree that it never made it's way to the uk though. It just that it had a different vector than the us scene. Artists from back in the day like Jehst, Skinnyman (sort of), and Braintax are good examples of ukhh culture imo.


BlazeZootsTootToot

Yeah might be. I'm not actually from the UK but from another European country so I take your word for it since you seem to get my point! You're right that many elements of Hip Hop are/were very present here too, my country produced some amazing Hip Hop too ([big up this](https://youtu.be/Zmk6T1pI9i4)), my point was more that the true feel of what Hip Hop is as a cultural phenomenon has never really been fully grasped by society.


mrdibby

Hip-hop (in cultural context) is an American culture. UK doesn't have a hip-hop culture, or if it does its not what describes the "from the ends" black centric culture that grime and road rap / trap / drill artists come from. I think in the past I just called it "ends culture" though I haven't heard anyone else use the term. In terms of music, yes we can say it all falls under the hip-hop umbrella, although arguably there is uk electronic, garage / drum and bass / rave umbrella that it is under as well. Hard categorisation isn't very important, or rather, I'm not trying to argue, but just communicate my impression/understanding and experience of local culture. Which is a very London local perspective, growing up during the golden age of grime, UK funky, and the emergence of "road rap".


P3SH

There's loads of UK hiphop, and a massive boom bap scene


FCBANTERLONA

Uk has absolutely had a hip hop culture. London Posse, Klashnekoff, Skinnyman were all traditional hip hop man


theyarealllizards

To me Hip Hop is like grandmaster flash run DMC. I'd agree with your distinction 100%.


Keyfatal

Uk rap


BlemdawgOG

Uk rap, I’d probably call it real rap as a sub genre. Definitely different to uk hip hop like fliptrix, four owls, split prophets ETC. and also very different to grime if you listen to grime sets from d double e, kano, skepta so on, you will see the difference


d_double_e_bot

Oh my wooord


IAmAGoddd

He’s rapping over Drake - I’m Still Fly, which samples Big Tymers - Still Fly, both of them are Hip-Hop beats. So evidently, no, it’s not Grime. I made a comment about this same subject a while ago, about people claiming everything’s Grime now. I said if a “Grime MC” spits over Bagatelle No. 25, that doesn’t make Bagatelle No. 25 a Grime riddim all of a sudden. That’s not how it works. Blade Brown isn’t a Grime MC, nor is the beat Grime, therefore it’s not Grime. It’s literally as simple as that lol


MickHucknall123

I think it's best to call it rap because it is very distinguishable from what's known as UK Hip Hop. High Focus Records, Blah Records, etc


Wat3rboihc

Blah is dope


MickHucknall123

Yeh they're rude. Stinkin Slumrock's new album is top


Wat3rboihc

Broo I slept on him for so long he’s class


photocharge

I saw his head movements with the sound off. In the first 3 seconds and knew it was rap


Perpen_dickular

Deffo not grime, as you can define grime by tempo and flow (rap pattern) I see this track as (U.K.) rap/ Hiphop (which every your preference). I mean he is lacing a drake beat (US rap beat - so this hands down isn’t grime - or at least not in my book. My man (blade brown) is premier league , heavy weight - mans doing and has done bits


privacyisreal

Blade never been grime 😂


PlataOPlumo41

They called Asco a grime artist too when he got nicked. It’s an old peoples term for anyone rapping.


Classic-Pride-8082

Rap


Thchazz_

I’d just call it U.K. rap/road rap


katya21220218

UK Rap


Ok_Elk2583

Hip hop


Feeling_Addendum2698

Road rap


er_9000

Blade is pure UK rap


Enough_Breadfruit_66

Blade brown is rap


JesusSwag

Definitely hip hop


Cattlemutilation141

Road rap


m1zmus1c

Yeah that’s Uk rap


trillz420

Rap, Rhythm And Poetry And don’t call Blade Brown grime lol


Grad2021seeking

Hard


ReaverRiddle

This is hip hop. Sounds like road rap. Grime is 140bpm and the beats have a rhythm rooted in garage.


huncho3055

Road rap


Consistent-Pear-4968

Giggs flow


gooner_09

Far from grime, UK rap


YFNS47

Who is this and how do I download this song


Carver_79

Dunno, but I like it.


PaulieLombardo

Who is he?


Zeus420

Nobody calls this grime


BGreat2192

Blade ain’t Grime it’s Uk Rap💯 name is Blade Brown top 5 realist and hardest uk Rappers 💯


ItsSamObviously

Defo uk rap, not grime. Grime is mainly define by being 140bpm


NerozumimZivot

f'real? I thought that shit was like 70


Madbrad200

most grime is produced around 137-142 (although it's not necessarily a rule)


M14_87

🐐


pinkbogle

What kinda question is dis? Do u know grime fam lol?


nickobad1

I'd call it dreadful


photocharge

I saw his head movements with the sound off. In the first 3 seconds and knew it was rap


artin-younki

It's not hip hop or grime but rap. To me it's all about the focus and this video is focused on the rap and not the beat/music. But if I had to pick between the two then if say its hip hop as it's lacking that grim attitude


Eclectic_Llama

It’s not grime because it’s not 140bpm (I assume)


DiddyDaedle

I think he might be autistic


Medium_Tooth4980

I miss Donny Osmond!


CauliEarPending

Grime is 180 Bpm Blade never been a grime artist


Madbrad200

140* :) I have seen grime as high as 170ish (not common) but never 180


Crypt-97

Blade brown💯


mgturbo1

Craaaaaappp


ALLSHALLPERISHUK

Is this the uk Dr Dre?


ja_98

Legendary


Jqnyx

Shit is what I would call it


yungmourning

honestly probably just road rap. that "i'm in my own world: i'm autistic" bar is either based if the mc is neurodivergent or weirdly ableist if he isn't e: for the record i'm neurodivergent (high-functioning autistic) so that line caught me off-guard lol


G3NERALAP

I reckon blade brown would shank you if you said he's "ableist" in real life


yungmourning

i don't really care about what some random road rap mc would do tbh. does he really give a fuck about what people think about him in real life? why did you put ableist in quotes?


Ilikegreninja

Grime


ReaverRiddle

No


Geord1eA1

cRap


yungmourning

lmao is there a mass brigade happening or something


Physical_Proof7055

They all gotta be the same person there’s no way 💀


Madbrad200

whenever a video gets directly posted here (uploadde to v.redd.it) it gets upvoted VERY quickly which leads it to land on r/popular, which leads to an influx of non-grime ppl here.


secretsub67

I'd call it shite


er_9000

Terrible shout, Blade is a UK rap legend


secretsub67

The best way to describe rap is to put a C at the start of it !


er_9000

Great banter


yungmourning

aren't you into sissification n female supremacy https://www.reddit.com/r/femalesupremacy2/comments/t82xnq/new_world_order/


sambailey27

Neither - it’s C R A P!


yungmourning

whats your problem? lol


Soulless-Plague

They’ve got taste in music


FranksToeKnife10

Stick to bumming Mumford n Sons and Sam Smith then don’t come here with your shit opinions


sambailey27

Hate them both. I just like real music not garbage spouted by people who have ZERO talent.


sambailey27

No problem, I like REAL music, like Queen, not some idiot who thinks that they can sing when they only speak garbage (at best) insulting people and cultures.


Physical_Proof7055

Why are you in a grime subreddit if you don’t like rap...


sambailey27

Showed up in my news feed - wanted to state my opinion.


yungmourning

there is no such thing as real or fake music


sambailey27

Ha ha! Never said rap was fake, just that it’s not real music, music you can listen to without being offended by the language these individuals use thinking it’s ok to swear and insult people. Well, it’s NOT!


yungmourning

again: there is no such thing as real music. you don't have to like grime music. don't come to grime forums chatting shit about the music that i and many others like


sambailey27

Just what I’d expect from a fan of this noise. Real music exists - classical, jazz, rock, pop to name just 4 genres. Rap/grime IS NOT MUSIC. It’s noise, and I prefer to listen to roadworks that this garbage.


yungmourning

okay then why try to convert mfs to your side instead of letting people enjoy what they enjoy


Cupcake9999

I’d call it crap.


FranksToeKnife10

Yeah blade brown ain’t for someone that calls themselves a cupcake lol


Rebel_Scum8374

Shit hop


eskimosound

Moronic, ignorant, Shit


hoksworthwipple

I would call it shit.


groovyharry

Terrible


Jaybycakes

Shit


spunker77

Crap


Arseflies

How about complete and utter shite?


olyxxboi

I call it shit