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KiwiEmperor

>America is everyone's dreams Ha good joke.


11160704

US popculture (music, films etc) is consumed by many people in Germany. But generally anti-Americansim is strong in Germany and the US is certainly not everyone's dream.


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11160704

Might be true but if one likes it or not, many people consome these "garbage culture" films so it has some impact on Germany.


ThersATypo

Great place to travel as a tourist, terrible place to live - that would be my take.


kuldan5853

glad to be there, glad to be able to go home again after a few weeks :)


godless-life

And especially glad not having had an accident while there that would have ruined me financially.


paaapaya

I agree - I liked it when I went for a holiday but would deeefinitely not want to live there.


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kuldan5853

Well to be fair - Cities can be very fascinating. I've never been in a place quite like New York before, and it is fascinating me to this day - but at the same time, this was also the first time I saw a man laying on the sidewalk, bleeding from a gunshot and people just casually passing by without helping.


U-701

There is a somewhat common joke here: whats the difference between a Jogurt and America ? A Joghurt will develop a culture if you leave him alone for a few hundred years i think that should answer your question on a more serious note, I think that the emphasis on a more individualistic outlook on life paired with a stronger capitalisms leads to a lot of misunderstandings and negative emotions from germans and the times where America was the shining star are long gone


KeksDesSchicksals

> America is the only county to go from barbarism straight to decadence without the detour to culture


WaterKing1010

What time period do you think America went down hill?


Nhenghali

Under Nixon, Reagan and again under Trump.


ebikefolder

Late 1930s? I don't think the country has ever recovered from J. Edgar Hoover's paranoia. They seem to see enemies everywhere they look...


AgarwaenCran

I wouldn't say it really went downhill, it's more that we are now much tighter connected thanks to the internet so we see more how things really are + the aftermath of 9/11 changed much


JASN_DE

>I have heard many people in Europe say they always wanted to visit America and they say its because *America is everyone's dreams with a fascinating culture.* That's easy: no.


WaterKing1010

I was just wondering, would you explain please?


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Civil_Cantaloupe176

.......the music scene's alright...... (😂)


WaterKing1010

Maybe one day America will improve itself hopefully


tjhc_

The American image is probably best summed up as MacDonalds: Cheap, bad quality, soulless corporate capitalist, undeserved self-confidence promoted to anyone and everyone, a bit stupid, invading our comfort zone, meager history, fat and treating workers badly. But a lot of people still go there to eat and will enjoy it nevertheless. PS: I know there are other sides to the US but the days when most people were really fascinated by US culture was probably around JFK's presidency.


Civil_Cantaloupe176

As an American:🤣...😂...😆...😒😩😢😭


tjhc_

To be fair: the US isn't that bad overall. But tooting your own horn all the time, while having big issues internally and some really nasty foreign policy decisions doesn't help the image. International rules and laws are often ignored but pedanticly enforced on others which comes across quite arrogant. Also, a lot of American pop culture media is consumed, making the US always present and not necessarily in the best light. And finally your choice of presidents makes a big difference. Trump, Bush jr. and to a lesser degree Reagan didn't present the US as the most intelligent or cultured place on earth. PS: sorry, I planned to write something nice, not rub it in. Just read the first sentence and ignore the rest.


Civil_Cantaloupe176

I respectfully disagree. The US *is* that bad. I might be wrong, as I'm not very familiar with other cultures, but I think late stage capitalism has run amok in my country and, at this point, it's beyond repair within my lifetime. Just to put it in perspective, most of my dearly departed loved ones have died from treatable illnesses and conditions, because they couldn't afford health care. Personally, I think this is, essentially, a kind of class-based genocide, and I do believe that it is intentional on the part of the US gov. (And I'm not into conspiracies! I think this way because it lines up so perfectly with all of the other decisions made by our legislators within living memory) I'm not even mad at how stupid we look to the rest of the world, I just want to live past 50.


bannanix

no.


Massder_2021

What culture? Where's one? I was four times there visits have been lasting from three to six weeks. Two times i was there as a student and i was always glad to come home again. At our first excursion our tents have been shot at from drunken kids. No, thanks.


WaterKing1010

Oo that's insane, my country sure loves their guns. (I hate guns)


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Civil_Cantaloupe176

100000000% we have a gun culture. Half the people who are pro gun, feel that way because they are afraid of the government (and what happened at the capitol on Jan 6th last year), while the other half..... Kinda just hate black people, from what I can tell. It's fucked pls let me move to Germany I want out


WaterKing1010

This country is racist as they come.


tiacalypso

I have only heard one person say so, my BIL. He had a really great experience as a teen in the mid-2000s and really wants to go back at some point. The rest of Germans whom I know think the USA have an underdeveloped, overly capitalist healthcare system and are generally very fucked up. Good to visit but never to live. Sorry, we mostly feel sorry for you guys because you live in a place that to us sounds really shit. :/


Civil_Cantaloupe176

It doesn't just sound like shit, my friend, it *is* shit lmao i wish I could afford my medical bills. I have 2 college degrees and no health insurance. It's the wild west out here.


karel-wasser

haha that´s definetly a minority opinion. While american medias are consumed quite a lot, anti-american sentiment is kind of a given here. What you said sounds like something americans think what europeans think about americans. (there is irony in this statement). But honestly, we almost get no good news from your side of the lake, everything looks like its crashing to the ground


Civil_Cantaloupe176

Nah homie Americans (at least....like the 41% that didn't vote for trump) recognize that this place sucks. Most of my friends are working on getting Canadian visas. The rest have escaped to South America to avoid the ~$100,000 in student loans Edit: like I'm literally embarrassed, my guy. I would be shocked if anyone at all in Europe thought positively of America.


sakasiru

Every culture is fascinating in it's own way, but there are a couple of others I'd rather explore before the (US) American one. One reason is that American culture is pretty accessible even from Germany (music, movies, even some of the food), so you don't have to go there to experience a fair amount of it. The other reason is that it's definitely not "everyone's dream". Along with the good stuff, the US exports a lot of shitty ideas that I don't really like coming here and I will thus avoid seeking out in its natural habitat.


-Blackspell-

My opinion on the what now?


tjhc_

American culture. You know: Aztecs and Maya and so on.


MWO_Stahlherz

"I have heard " \- From whom? I sure American enjoy the idea of being the all beloved mary Sue everyone wants to be friends with. America created a culture where survivors of school shootings get called "crisis actors". Not much admiration there.


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ThoDanII

Problem is i think the horse is out of the gate, i read an analysis oft a cop there that this was Wirkung solution. His wife was a teacher and their children went to that school. Not that he he liked that, but that it was somewhat Wirkung oft Sorts. He seemed to know very well what it would meant for his wife to shot somebody


Civil_Cantaloupe176

I think there's a major divide here between the "murica' is da best" crowd whoreally do think the US is the Mary Sue of the world, and the slightly more worldly folks; the latter tends to be a bit more sheepish about it, recognizes the extremely poor education system, and when we go abroad, feel very inferior. (...or is that just me?) Personally, I'm glad I was born here, but I am deeply disappointed in how the country is handling all of its issues, and frankly I become more disappointed as I get older


Mictlantecuhtli2

Maybe from Eastern Europe, but I don’t know many people from there. I’ve never heard anyone from more developed countries talking about fascinating culture or “the American dream.” I know a few who would like to visit just like any other country. But seriously living there, not a single one.


Himeera

Lol please, even Eastern Europe is better than America in many aspects. Yeah, it is depressive, but at least we won't go into 5 number dept for trying to cure that and most common antidepressant is accessible from 18, not 21 anyways 🤷🏻‍♀️😃


__Loreany__

>America is everyone's dreams with a fascinating culture When I was young everyone wanted to go to america... I think that changes a lot now, especially after Trump became president. I remember that everyone said that the americans won't be that dumb to vote him... but yeah... We also get a lot of news here whenever there is a school shooting or something like that. That isn't helpful for a bright light on Americans here in germany


11160704

I think it already changed with Bush jr. and the Iraq war.


cellochristina

It probably depends on how old you are. I was born in 98 and didn’t learn anything about American politics before Obama was president. I always hat a pretty neutral perspective (probably even leaning towards positive) on the USA but it went downhill very quickly from 2016 on.


Civil_Cantaloupe176

For us in the US too


11160704

I was born in 95 and I still remember the Bush jr. years. I started university in 2013 (so long before Trump took over) and Anti-Americanism was already a very big thing back then. Iraq, Guantanamo, Abu Ghuraib, incarceration rates, gun laws, health care costs, death penalty, NSA surveilance, lack of environmental policy etc were topics of strong criticsim that existed long before Trump.


kaask0k

Love your sports. Hate your news.


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kaask0k

I prefer football (both college leagues and NFL) and Nascar, but yes. It's highly entertaining.


Krzktgrrrl

Did you hear that from 10-year-olds? I’d say that when I was a kid (20 years ago), this was kinda true. During their teenage years, when one starts following the news, many realize what a terrible country the US is for the average person


Ooops2278

>I have heard many people in Europe say \[...\] America is everyone's dreams No, it definitely isn't. Don't get me wrong. Every culture has it's positive sides (or at least ones that are more in line with your personal preferences). But this american exceptionalism that makes people not only ignore some of the biggest shit-shows deeply ingrained in their culture but actually believe the rest of the world is looking up to them is just insane.


Comprehensive_Gas977

I think in the past many Europeans dreamt about the US, now we’ve realised how problematic in so many ways your country is


DirtKooky

America went from barbarianism to decandence without taking the detour through culture…


Civil_Cantaloupe176

Eyyy T Paine in the house


AgarwaenCran

This view of america doesn't really exist here anymore after the war on terorror started and we all become more connected thru the internet. Personally I find the cultural obsession with race and heritage (for example, for me it's weird enough already to have your race on legal documents) questionable. you are not your skincolor or your ancestors, but you are the sum of your opionions, actions, likes and dislikes. and race/heritage has very little part in this. the thanksgiving-tradition in american culutre I like. but it's a celebration where you stuff your face with all kinds of goods, so that shouldn't be a suprise to anyone who sees me lol Also I like the american way of entropeneuring(?): "I have an idea, let's make a company and try it. oh, it didn't work out? oh well, maybe next time" - sure this leads to much more failed buisseneses, but also is (I think) the base for the existance of so many now big companies like google/alphabet, mircosoft, apple and so on. apart from this I think the US is more a combination of different cultures of it's states, just like we are.


Maryellchen

A while back many people looked up to the US, but the more you realize how many things there are just plain wrong or awful (healthcare, justice, intelligent design, weapons, incels, Trump, Bush, backward legislation changes, white supremacy etc) and are still changing for the worse, the more you don‘t ever want to even go there on hols. Imagine saying a wrong word and being arrested at immigrations and being stuck there…


Civil_Cantaloupe176

Yes please don't go to the US, I'm not trying to be a snarky American, I'm saying this because I'm worried for your well being. Shit is hitting the fan over here on the regular.


CptMcDickButt69

Jep, this is bait.


Klausaufsendung

I joined r/latestagecapitalism and it’s an eye opener. Most problems people complain about regarding work conditions, health care or politics are unheard of in Germany. And every time someone wants to improve the situation like Bernie for example, people are going crazy about the coming „socialism“. *eye rolling intensifies*


Pedarogue

I'd love to *visit* the US. Autumn in New England, seeing the graveyard of providence, the whole north of the US, taste the food, a bit of hiking in the Appalachian and so on. It sounds like a freaking great holiday. It is, however, not my dream, let alone anything more than coming over as a tourist for a week or two. ​ Edit: I just realized - and it was unintended, I swear, that the most stuff I wrote about is not (only) strictly speaking culture, but has a lot to do with the natural make up of the land. But honestly, I'd love to just drive around New England and maybe Pensylvania and Minnesota. I don't care much for the rest.


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kuldan5853

My stomach usually tells me to go home after three weeks in the US - that's about the limit that my intestines can take until I start getting massive issues from the over saturation of ..anything in the food..


gevonaire

"American culture" alone is like "Swiss beach".


godless-life

> Swiss beach https://www.google.com/maps/place/Plage+Salavaux/ Found it!


Puzzleheaded-Rush-51

I really wanna who who says this 😶two years living in Germany never heard anyone brag about visiting the US


maroooni

My first associations to America would be shitty food with way too much sugar, people eating from paper plates, expensive healthcare. So, no, not really. The only positive associations i have are about specific american electronic music (e.g. ghetto tech/house, juke, footwork) - but even this wouldn't really get me interested in your country, as electronic music in america is highly commercialized these days (see: "edm").


Nhenghali

I love parts of the US Culture (Movies, Series, Games), but I cannot understand their over-capitalist, war and weapons gloryfying culture. And no, I don't want to live (not even travel) in a country, where an injury or sickness could ruin me financially.


Fair_Diet_4874

In the 90s many eastern germans were pretty hyped about America but in my bubble noone would want to live there, the judicial system, medical and social security, the huge right wing shift the strange election system and so on...they are just widely regarded as just insane, even not as a real western democracy. Canada might be nice though


Faulbeere

Wouldn’t even go there for holidays. Gun culture etc!


MrRowodyn

[I am getting vibes from another subreddit, but I can't think which one....](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/)


Civil_Cantaloupe176

🤣🤣🤣


xMrToast

I was in America once.... What a hellhole...


Sumsl_The_Great

Visiting as a tourist? Yes gladly. Living in the USA? Not if I can avoid it. Regarding US American culture: in my view it bases on unfettered capitalism and nothing else. The rest is just backward views combined with fundamentalist Christianity.


LopsidedBottle

America is quite diverse (e.g., the culture of Peru is not that similar to that of the USA, and there are huge differences even within the USA). If you mean US culture(s), then yes, I find it fascinating, and would love to spend some more time there. I have fond memories of my visits, and wished we could adopt some of its aspects (e.g., I think that the US are much more open to innovation). That does not make "American culture" my dream, though.


Wolpertinger55

Just visited US Pensylvenia for work. I really liked it. People are calm drivers and food was nice.


ComplaintAdmirable40

I felt a bit like on a set up movie set when I was there. Fassades looked goo3but behind it was hollow. That was the image of the usa I developed. The front always looks good, friendly and nice but don't expect much behind. Same with the people.


PossibilityTasty

I love America and its culture. I just can't get warm with one North American country though.


Frederike2

Still cant believe America is a real place.


DirtKooky

American culture? Comtradictio in eo ipso…


AdmiralButtwallace

https://youtu.be/ZTpgqqLyAs8


ebikefolder

I'm quite familiar with Canada (a lot of my family lives there). I like the country, nature, landscape. But the culture? Not really.


Doctor_Frog_Here

This sub has a hard on for hating on America. Some sort of inferiority complex. You won’t get very balanced answers here.


PuzzleheadedRise6798

I don't see the slightest reason for feeling inferior to the US of A, except obesity rate maybe


HellasPlanitia

Take a look at [our FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/wiki/faq#wiki_culture) (scroll down to the "what do Germans think of Americans?" section) for more answers to your question. :)


Capital-Kick-7437

Culture?


Lychee-Smart

Nice country, horrible ignorant ppl. Won't go there, if not last country to visit on earth.


Caladeutschian

> Germans, what are your opinions on the American culture? I think it would be a great idea. When are they going to introduce it? (borrowed heavily from Mahatma Gandhi)


ThoDanII

If you consider the Brand Canyon and the St Francis Trail culture


the_westphalian

What culture?!


Willing-Summer-9504

There is no such thing as American culture


Financial_Fish_9261

America is a very diverse country. If you get away from the self centered aspect of large cities and explore smaller towns and head west and get out in nature you will enjoy it much more. I’m from America and have seen NYC. It’s cool but doesn’t compare to seeing the national parks. America has a lot more to offer than just the east coast.. Go west people are nicer and you will have more fun!!


ebikefolder

Ok, a rural community in western Washington state maybe... Countryside and climate a lot like British Columbia... I just checked some factors, but it would probably still be difficult to really integrate in some village as a left-leaning atheist foreigner who doesn't like cars or guns or fishing xD No, thanks, I rather stay here.


Doctor_Frog_Here

It’s fucking hard to integrate into a German village if you don’t look German. Let’s not make out Germany is some utopia


ebikefolder

Never said it would be easier in Germany! I grew up in a rural village and have first hand experience!


Financial_Fish_9261

A bit harsh since I am from and live in a small town in Washington state. Can’t agree with you on that


jesuistabitha

The nature is ok. It's smooth brainers like you that make the country so insufferable.


Financial_Fish_9261

Like it or not Best country in the world still


Financial_Fish_9261

Haha I guess so.