Workload of two
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Time for someone to do half the work
What if I already do a half ass job? Do I go to quarter ass?
Always give 50%. If you give 25, they'll assume you're having a bad day. Give 75 they'll assume a good day. Never give 100.
Accidentally gave 100% one day. Got an extra week of paid leave to make up for all the stress during recent times.
Best. Day. Ever.
So, do 100% 1/365 days. I can get behind that!
That’s Santa Clause’s model and it’s been working for him for over a 1600 years. And everyone loves him! What could go wrong?
I love the way you think. Brilliant.
Always crazy when I read about these mythical jobs where extra effort is not only noticed, but rewarded. How do you find them? What are they??
You just randomly come across a boss who has yet to be dissociated from their humanity. Sometimes the change is quick. Sometimes it takes a long time. Eventually though, the corruption takes root. That is the time to find another job and play Russian roulette again with your new bosses.
Or you could just not take shit when it's flung your way while keeping a nest egg to get you through tough times. Just don't mistake mud for shit because mud is simply work.
Haha I tend to play the therapist card for my employees. Productivity is increased most of the time when I'm there. Also can pick up on things easier like if troubles starting I can quickly defuse it. It tends to pay off to keep your humanity at times.
Guessing you work for a private company, then.
And that really brought down your average percent given for those six days to 16.67%!
Some of the problem is that everyone on Reddit seems to be living in corporate hell. I did 20 years of that and it really doesn't pay to show initiative or ever trust your boss.
I'm working for a buddy now and I put in twice the physical effort for half the hourly pay. But I'm happier now.
>or ever trust your boss.
I worked my way out of a warehouse into the sales department, but not before I spent 6 months fighting my manager to promote me. He refused because his warehouse would have gone to shit without me doing as much as I did. I had to go above him to the ops director and basically beg.
Fuck bosses who hold their employees down for their own benefit.
Lots of people are obsessed with supporting family businesses and as someone who has worked at one and a corporation, I will take a corporation any day. Family businesses tend to have somewhere between 0-1 hyper competent person who should be where they are at and everyone else in the family is management because they are related but suck or are lazy, which means non family members have to do their jobs.
Time to go to a other company.
This is the way to get actual compensation increases, switch companies.
Yeah, I asked for a raise since I was taking on a new position and they told me I made a lot for a recent college grad (it was like 2 years after I graduated…). I started applying to other companies right after that. A month later I started working at a new company that paid me 70% more than I made previously, much more than I would’ve asked for if they gave me a raise.
The musical chair method. It is the fastest way
[The American Way.](https://youtu.be/jYXzHjbfMDk)
Once in a while I get irritated of how low my salary is, then I remember how little actual work I do for it, and then I'm happy again...
Get a second job at the same company
I left my job for greener pastures 2 months ago. I was chronically overworked and it had a severe impact on my health. So far they have hired in 3 people to replace me and they will likely have a 4th by the end of this month.
My old colleagues had the cheek to say that it was 'because I am so good' - It is not. It is because I was taken advantage of and fundamentally mismanaged.
This was me. I had been begging management for help because I was far out working the entire company (my manager had told me this as something I should be proud of). When they kept refusing due to budget reasons NOR would they give me a raise, I went to a company that paid me 20% more on my base salary to do half of the work I had been doing.
They have three people trained on what I do and my old manager still has to help them.
Fuck you, Shannon.
I'll second that. Fuck you, Shannon.
Shannon hasn't bought me dinner and I am a Redditor so not going to fuck Shannon.
But I am very disappointed in you Shannon. Bad Shannon.
One of my bosses did. Told me to take my girlfriend out to a nice restaurant and he'd reimburse me. Think we ran up a $100 dollar bill and he paid for it.
He was eventually fired, and pretty sure his use of the company credit card didn't help...
Sounded like a real bro though
Sounds like a good guy
He was actually a pretty nice guy. One year when I pushed at my annual review he actually took my raise back to HR and got me a 12% raise.
He wasn't so great at some of the management aspects. New vendors were brought in with little to no POC phase to ensure things would interface well with our current software stack. It's created a lot of headaches for me and other analysts which have to deal with the fallout trying to make these solutions work. Still dealing with it over two years after he left.
What kind of work do you do?
Computer security in the banking industry.
That $100 probably bought way more than ita value in good will from yall though, look you remember it even now.
In MBA-speak, they'd say he used the bizarreness effect and reciprocity effect to maximize the availability and thus transformative effect of this relatively small transactional investment.
>One of my bosses did. Told me to take my girlfriend out to a nice restaurant and he'd reimburse me. Think we ran up a $100 dollar bill and he paid for it.
Can't tell you how much have a pretty cash budget for things like that really go a long way. Empowers the manager in their job to reward/encourage in a more personal and meaningful way, and conversely, I have always found it to be appreciated on three employee side.
That's my ex-wife's name, I'll get in on this action. Fuck you too, Shannon.
Isn't She your ex wife so you don't get to fuck her any more?
Someone's never had an ex before
Clearly I am on Reddit on a Saturday night.
When I asked for help, I got told I wasn't cut out for my job. My replacement (who took the easier part of my load) left within 8 weeks. For some reason, it doesn't make me feel any better.
They know what they're doing
They do. But I can only control myself, and I'd rather choose happiness. Hence the reason I left!
Good for you. I'm trying to muster the courage to do the same. It's tough when you've got emotional attachments to the people there.
I was at my previous company for 9 years and absolutely understand the emotional attachment. If it weren't for liking most of my coworkers, I would have left much sooner.
I learned a valuable lesson, though, and I want to pass it to you: Even good people will not stand up for you if push comes to shove. Nobody will look out for you but yourself, so you have to do what is right for you. You can always stay in touch with people you care about.
Yes, it is. And I do miss the girls from work, best staff team I've ever worked with. But you will know when it's time to leave. Good luck!
Honestly this how the manipulation of the job is. You creat grat relationships with people and you feel like shit when you can't make the pay you need. I've worked in sales for 14 yrs and I was just offered a position with a 15% increase in salary and higher commissions. I feel shorty leaving the people, but when it comes to it. I have dream and ambitions and most times those are lonely roads. Please realize guys that you are a great person and that's what you deserve.
I just gave my company notice today. Told them I'm done on the 18th. They got mad I only gave them a 6 days notice because that's not enough time to find a replacement. I told them you are lucky I'm even giving you 6 days. If it wasn't for the people I work with everyday I would have just packed up and left. Then I asked them if they would give me a 2 week notice if they were going to let me go. Of course they had no answer.
The people you work with will understand and there is nothing stopping all of you from keeping in touch.
I replaced someone once who was clearly overworked and burned out within half a year. He was doing many hours of unpaid overtime every week. They tried to get me to do the same and I largely refused. I pushed back every time they tried to push me into working more. I saw how nearly all of my colleagues were working extra, but a few people on my team started pushing back too. The CEO tried to intimidate us, saying our team was a problem for the company. Not because our results were bad, we were one of the better teams out there. But they didn't want the rest of the company seeing us leave on time and refuse inappropriate orders (like writing good reviews of the company).
When I told them I'd leave if they didn't give me a raise, they bluffed and said they couldn't give it to me. At the very last minute I got that raise. I saved up for a few months and resigned, which really pissed them off. That felt pretty good, though at the end of the day I still feel like I gave them more energy than they deserved.
Companies that doesnt understand that working longer doesnt equate to better results. With covid, companies who still refuse to adapt to flexible work environments wont be able to keep any talent.
And even if 30% extra work did amount to 30% extra results, it'd be just as wrong. It's not like we'd get paid 30% more, not to mention that 40 hours is all I'm willing to put up with.
As a recruiter, people like you are my favorite. I get to steal away the over worked and under appreciated and place them at jobs where they are appreciated and paid well.
Hey, how you doin?
As a hardworking employee, how do I get on the radar of recruiters like yourself? I have a LinkedIn profile of course, but aside from that?
Not a recruiter but- upload resume, mark that you're in market, fill out the rest of the account specifics and skills. Do the same on indeed probably. I've had LinkedIn for years but decided I want to leave my company by end of year after I finish a few things up, but within a week of actually detailing profiles and uploading resumes I had multiple contacts.
Sending you a PM.
However, to answer your question, if you don't have one, most of us are looking on LinkedIn or on job forums/indeed, things like that.
Some simple tips of putting that silly #willingtowork banner on LinkedIn help us find you faster. Right now, the job market is amazing. There are more jobs than people. It just comes down to finding the right person and filling that niche.
Did just that (linkedIn willingtowork banner. Found and landed a great job that included a 35% raise and work with way less stress. Get out there are post your resume which all should update even when you get the new good job.
I want to try that so badly but I'm connected with a couple of my coworkers and I don't want them seeing that I'm actively seeking to leave.
On LinkedIn there is an option to mark your profile as open to work offers which is only visible to recruiters and cannot be seen by general users. At least within the UK version.
Either that or simple do a job search and reach out directly to agencies advertising jobs in a similar niche to yours.
Should I put that hashtag on my profile, even if that would signal to my current employer that I’m looking to leave? Is it better to not show them Im looking elsewhere ?
> and place them at jobs where they are appreciated and paid well.
^for ^the ^first ^couple ^of ^months
Then you know what you do? You reach back out to me and I get you to somewhere else. My goal, and the goal of all recruiters, is to be the first person that you, as a candidate, reach out to.
I personally want to be responsible for the next 4 job choices you make. It's free for you and I negotiate and try to make you the most money possible at the best place possible. It's not all about money, it's about the fit.
I mean, in my experience the goal of recruiters (at least lately) seems to be messaging as many people on LinkedIn as possible, regardless of qualifications and then provide as little information as possible about the available positions.
You sound so recruitery it’s nuts
Might be why I'm good at it :).
I've been in sales for 20 years and making people make bad life choices by buying my stuff. Now, at least, I'm selling the candidate to the client and both parties are happy and I get paid too. It's a legitimate win/win/win.
It’s awesome to hear you found a great way to use your skill set! I think recruiters get a bad reputation sometimes, however if you connect the right people with the right opportunities you’re really doing legit good.
Applied to a position one level up from where I am, and was turned down for two reasons;
1) Too valuable in current role
2) Not sure if I have the knowledge yet to step up a level.
**So since that happened;**
1) they've hired 2 new starters to help me in my role, as the workload increased and 2 co-workers left (uni, and moving abroad). I had to train those new starters, which I did, providing detailed guides for every process they need to do. They don't follow the guides, make mistakes, and now I have extra work cleaning up their messes. They both just passed probation (6 month performance-based evaluation) despite multiple instances of negative feedback from customers.
2) They hired 2 guys to fill the 2 slots in the position I applied to. I now spend half my time doing work for that team, as I know how to do it and they don't. I also spend a lot of my time assisting them as they can't figure out tasks that realistically are on the level below them.
3) I requested a raise. My manager said "leave it with me, and i'll have a chat with HR". It's been 2 months. No feedback at all.
4) I've had multiple job offers for higher roles, passing interviews, but ultimately I turned them down as the travel/relocation wasn't suitable.
5) I have a meeting with the CTO next month. I have detailed all of this, along with timestamps, screenshots etc. This will be getting mentioned.
> 4) I've had multiple job offers for higher roles, passing interviews, but ultimately I turned them down as the travel/relocation wasn't suitable.
My heart goes out to you about this. It is so easy for people to say "find another job", but life gets in the way. Wishing you luck with the meeting. Hopefully they see sense.
Literally any other job would pay as much or more than my current employer. However, having a 5\~ minute commute means my travel expenses are tiny.
As soon as I have to drive 20+ minutes either way, I start to lose a lot of money on travel expenses (everything is a lot compared to "basically zero").
And so, I stay.
The grass might be greener but there's dogshit on it. Similar in my job. I don't want the other jobs, I just want my job to suck a bit less.
Similar situation working for a start-up. Massively overworked. Promised a pay review which never happened and promised something back after working double my weekly hours for the months for no extra cost and got nothing.
Been offered another job which I've accepted and the current company seemed shocked. Suggested a counter offer but it came down to trust. I trust a new company more than my current one, which is very sad
They’re just going to dick you around until you leave.
What’s incredible to me is that it costs several tens of thousands of dollars of real costs just to hire someone. Never mind the tens of thousands of lost business knowledge. It can take years and hundreds of thousands to replace an experienced person. Why not just give the raise? I don’t understand it for the life of me.
Those costs don't show up on a budget sheet or explained away. While employee costs show up front and center.
That sounds depressingly familiar. I had basically the same thing happen to me.
I had my “exit interview” yesterday, two months after I left my last company. When I told the HR rep I left because they were underpaying me using a defunct job title she said “that doesn’t sound right” like I was lying. And THEN I told her I also left because I needed help and was told for three years it was impossible due to budget. She knew me, freaked when I left, and helped my manager offer me a $6.50 an hour raise so she got really quiet when I said I would have stayed without the raise if they had gotten me more help.
I once submitted a 30+ item list of everything I did for my office each week, when my job title was really responsible for 8-10. But no one thinks of adding one more thing to do…
Y’all need to realize you don’t owe your company shit. Stop working yourself to death otherwise it will be expected. Fulfill your duties well, but the moment you start working after hours for free or letting them erode the barrier between personal and work lives, they will take advantage. I swear people who are overworked just never learned to set boundaries.
I used to work at a university on a grant-funded position and did the work of about 3 people on the budget of a minimum wage retail either. When I left they eliminated my job and a semester later the professor I'd been working under went on a mental health sabbatical due to the stress of having to do all the aspects of his job I'd been holding down.
Everyone in academia is ridiculously overworked. It's such a weird place
I recently started working in a school clinic (from working in an assisted living facility). The starting pay is 3/4 what is is in AL facilities for nurses AND they love to dump things on me that aren't actually part of my job. For example, I seem to be the only person who has figured out how to send incident reports to the head office. Instead of a willingness to learn, I get people just dumping the reports on me. They aren't even medical at all. Meanwhile, I already have a ton of extra work with covid policies and paperwork. I learned my lesson there. I play dumb on everything I manage to figure out on my own and I am subtle about changes I make for efficiency.
I'm a bit older so my plan was to invest in government work for the pension and decent health insurance. Plus, it's something I can do as I age. Otherwise, I can't imagine a reason to work in the field.
They don’t have the budget to hire.
Yep happened to me too.
First job out of university.
I started and there were 4 people in the team. Nine months later it was down to just 2 of us and I was flat out working, coming in early, staying late and I had to invent a bunch of software just to make the workload possible.
I kept telling them the job was impossible and we're going to collapse if we don't hire more staff.
They kept saying how valuable I was and to keep it up and that they didn't have the budget for more staff.
We actually had a safe on site, and when I say safe it was basically the size of a closet.
First time I saw it opened they was a pile of 100k lying on the floor. When I asked where that's from the boss couldn't even remember.
So yeah, we weren't broke. We as a company had a ton of money.
I eventually quit and again told them this job is impossible to do, they were lucky to have me as no-one else would do the work I did, nor would anyone else bother to invent software to streamline the role.
They now have 5 people in the team, whilst still using my software.
Really don't get why management just doesn't listen when they best worker is telling them the workload is impossible.
Thing is you find this a lot in big corporations. 9/10 it's because management will get say a 20% bonus if they keep their budgets ridiculously small. Regardless if it actually harms the company.
Now I always ask key questions at interviews to see if my potential employer is one of those tight bastards.
And now if they hire a new manager who is like that, I will start looking for a new job almost immediately as I know I'm not going to be listened to and I don't need the stress.
What questions did you ask?
> Really don't get why management just doesn't listen when they best worker is telling them the workload is impossible.
Likely because their management doesn't give a shit and they've been pushing as hard as you have.
That or they're sociopaths.
Had a boss tell me that I "worked too hard to be productive" and that "you could be really good at this job if you just tried a little harder" in the same review.
So I said, "I'm already good at this job." And quit.
Like you, they hired three people to replace me and my former boss was STILL doing my tasks eighteen months later.
If they were getting the work of FOUR people out of you, the one thing you were not was mismanaged. Whoever the fuck that manager was was getting hell of a value for the money.
If you lose them in the end it’s colossal bad management. The other side of the management coin is retention. You can either get 2 GREAT years out of a guy running him like a slave and underpaying him, or you could get a good career out of a guy paying him well and pacing him accordingly.
I work in an industry where competitors fail all the time because their A-team gets enough years in to finally jump to a place like where I work. Where longevity and sustainability are priorities. Half of our business model is taking the clients from the churn and burn places who never make it to 5 years in business.
It's ultimately more expensive for the company. They lose trained and capable assets. It destabilises the company and creates a toxic workplace. It's mismanagement at its best.
That is a long term outcome though. Short term they get better performance which leads to promotions or other job perspectives before their styles long term consequences are apparent and they make out quite well.
Honestly we saw that with the housing bubble in ‘08. Those in a position to stop it let it continue thinking that they would see the collapse before it happened and that they would make a fortune on it. Most of them were wrong, but that concept of pumping up your numbers and getting out before anyone catches on that they are bs is rather common in American corporate culture.
I love the "youre easily replaced" bullshit followed by the entire place crumbling to bits when you leave. Happened with my last job, had a few friends that worked there that quit as well, now with significantly better jobs. They cant get anyone to stay and the people they do get they constantly have issues with. Managers have to pick up shifts and go massively into overtime pay (not to mention theyre paid significantly more in general than regular members). Currently they cant get anyone to work, more people are leaving now including managers and they cant even stay open for a full day anymore because of it.
What the hell. Be proud man, you had four people worload in your back? My fucking jesus...
I feel you. I was doing the work of at least 2 people and my boss had the cheek to be impatient with me.
I ended up calling in sick with stress, and now the bastard fired me.
I have seen this happen many times.
Companies end up hiring two people at more than what the original person was asking for, costing the company more than twice the amount of money... instead of just giving a raise.
Plus there are training costs and other resources expended in the hiring process. The inefficiency is more than just monetary.
My company has high turnover + lots of oral tradition (aka poor documentation) + terrible processes so we spend our time endlessly training people and letting them go to our competitors the minute they start getting the hang of it without ever being able to build a proper team.
Do we work at the same place?
We used to
The cost of benefits is really high. One person at the salary of two is much cheaper.
it's only stupid if they call your bluff, otherwise they save money exploiting you for as long as you're willing to take it.
I understand the sentiment but having one person do everything is the very definition of single point of failure. At that juncture, the company probably realizes they need to expand the role. So that's why some companies rather have two people doing the job so if eventually one of them leaves, they can still keep the lights on.
People say "why not just pay X person more money?" True short term that might be more convenient but not long term.
Why not pay X person more and hire Y instead of letting X go and getting Y and Z? Well that's a good question. I suppose the reason is that some companies don't have budget to do that so they replace you with 2 people who make less.
Lots of companies are just stupid and let good people go. But some companies know what they are doing.
My employer is an IT company that drills the importance of having backups and failovers to its clients, but doesn't understand why this is a problem with staffing. I've been handling the responsibilities of three positions at this company, and the CEO doesn't think there's enough work to justify hiring someone (despite everything grinding to a halt every time I'm out sick). I'm this close to just resigning, but that would very likely put them out of business.
If you have the energy you should definitely look for work elsewhere. You're not the CEO and not being paid like one either, so it's not your fault if they go under without you.
Some companies are so greedy, that they only think about the short term profit, costing them more in the long run
That is every publicly traded company.
In their eyes (they being the investors who invest in much more than just one company) it's a long-term game of devaluing labor. If enough companies do similarly in a particular sector of the market, they all benefit from professionals in that sector having lesser expectations of wages, even if it costs individual companies who have to take on increased costs by losing a more capable employee.
Which is why we need labor unions to look out for the workers interest.
If companies are going to band together to keep wages low, then we should also have workers banding together to keep wages at their fair amount.
this is exactly what happened to me at a job I quit. I asked for a 20% raise but honestly that would just to bring me up to market rate for my skillset ( I was working for a nonprofit, fuck that shit, Ill never do that again) boss said he would think about it. I started applying to other jobs. 2 weeks later I reminded him I needed and answer, the next day he came back to me with 3%. I told him that wasn't enough to keep me around. the next day I got an offer and told him I was quitting, I would finish up the current project and then start the new job. he said "I'll have to hire more than one person to replace you" I replied "Sounds like it would have been cheaper to give me the 20%" it felt good to hear him admit he made a mistake and then to rub his fat fucking face in it. fast forward 3 years and my total compensation is about 55% more than at the old job. also they hired 3 people to replace me, one full time and 2 part time.
This is exactly why I quit my last job. Found a job where I got paid well and workload isn’t mental. Within 6months the old employer asked me back ready to pay way more than I would’ve settled fir when I was still there. 🤦🏽♂️
Same situation here. I was shocked how quickly my old employer called me back. Within like a month, they wanted me to run the department I was working in. Would take from from the $15/hour I was making before to like $20/hour.
If they had done that while I was there, I would have jumped all over it and not went out looking for a new job. But my new job was already paying $25/hour so sucks for them.
It's called job hopping, and it's unfortunately the only way to get a raise. Companies, for reasons I don't get, hate giving raises even if they have the capital to do it.
As a manager who has spent many hours over the years fighting with senior management to get his best people raises for outstanding work, it is truly disappointing watching them leave because we pay new hires more than the solid performers who bring it every day. I’m sure many in the same job I’m in coming in as a new manager make more than me with a dozen years in. I should have left myself but I really enjoy the work and really don’t want to start somewhere else as I near retirement.
I have a theory about this. I think upper management has an assumption that everyone, always, wants more money.
So they are stuck with the quandry of how much the labor is actually worth to the company, and then how much value that individual is worth.
BUT they fear playing ball negotiating with an employee to keep them on because they don't want to set a precedent that causes others to threaten leaving to get raises.
It also raises the question of "fairness" amongst other same tenured employees. So one person deserves a raise bc they threatened to quit? But the quiet, dedicated employee who works hard and exceeds expectations still gets a meager 3% raise every year. Now you've got disgruntled people who resent their employer.
So, my theory is that employers just think it is easier to lose the same cost but justify it as "being competitive to get new talent" instead of dealing with all those potential issues in giving someone a raise. Can't prove it, but that is what I can surmise from having to fight for my team's dues as a middle manager for fucking years.
Good points. Additionally (and at the risk of sounding like an apologist for shitty, greedy management), I imagine for every five people that imply they might quit, only two of them do, so the math works out.
Personally, I'm lucky enough to be in a profession with enough demand that I never have to play chicken with my employer about salary. The only time I ever implied that I might walk for more money, I ended up doing just that. The strongest negotiation position is to be perfectly happy to walk away.
Most people don't have that luxury, AND it's food on the table or their kid's education on the line. We treat workers like garbage in the US, and just call Europeans lazy for having 6 weeks vacation and health care. In French, that's pronounced "doing it right".
Or maybe that's German. I wouldn't know, being a monolingual American. 😉
Good point. I remember the day I realized that I was literally a statistic at a shitty call center job I had years ago. They didn't care about my ideas for improving or making then work place slightly less awful.
The lightbulb moment: it is that it is cheaper to hire and train new people in that job than to do retention raises, so they literally budget for a very small fraction of employees staying, the rest are only valuable for the first year or two then they become a liability.
Don't regret getting my ass fired from that one!
The term I've heard for companies like that is "baby burners", they bring in juniors for a couple years at crap wages, then when they want a raise, let them go (or let them quit) and replace them with more juniors who will do the job for crap pay. So they're just burning through a fresh batch of juniors ("babies") every few years.
The thing that's mind boggling is that this happens in Creative Companies too, like in the Video Game industry. If you let all the good people quit and just hire more fresh faces who don't know the product, the product will undoubtedly suffer for it, but they keep doing it because making a good game doesn't matter as much as making a profit.
Agreed. Losing institutional knowledge for the sake of saving a few bucks can be extremely inefficient and more costly in the long run. Yet I see it often because senior management only cares about the short term.
3%? To get 3% per year I'd have to hold the owner's balls in a vice and brandish an angle grinder.
I'd blackmail him for 5%
If you're not getting raises to at least match inflation / CPI increases every year, you're actually getting a pay cut.
> I think upper management has an assumption that everyone, always, wants more money
..Yes? gotta eat to live, gotta pay to eat.
The reality is not giving raises probably does pay off at least in the short run. Many people have kids going to school in the area, work friends, etc. and the upheaval caused by getting a new job can be a severe disruption. I lack many of those things but even I won't leave a company except for a significantly better deal because starting a new job is risky and has costs like losing vacation days and 401K matching. So if you're a company trying to keep costs at a minimum, it's hard to see the reason not to take advantage of that.
Of course if long-term expertise and keeping talented people is important and it typically is, that's a failed long-term strategy. But when those chickens come home to roost there will be a new CEO and the current CEO will have collected their bonuses.
I can see that, but then, if nothing is negotiable because will create a problem in the office, you need to offer a clear career path and show you have a plan for the worker. If not, they’ll leave.
They might be happy with people leaving but you lose lota of knowledge and know-how (at least in engineering companies) and you risk giving that to rivals
Right?! I tried that with the HR department a while back and they pulled the "great idea, let me know when you've got that figured out for your department."
Meanwhile they tied my hands in creating new roles to build career trajectory into my department. "Sorry, we will have to commission a third party to audit salary requirements against market values in our region etc. and there is no budget for those kind of reviews."
Head+desk. I'm not bitter, I swear...
My bosses recently:
"It doesn't matter if you're covering for 2, 3 or however many people, you're working the same hours, so you get paid that much!"
Ie, don't bother trying to do more than one person's job. We're just gonna pay you the same.
Then you should start doing half the work of one person in the same time. If it doesn't matter what you do, just how long you do it, why put in much effort?
I would assume there's still a minimum standard to meet, otherwise you're considered to have been there but not actually have been working.
You all need to watch the original Star Trek and do what Chief engineer Scotty did. Which was if a job took 4 hrs, he would tell the capt 12. If it takes a day, 3 days etc. Then he would, 'bust a gut', 'whip his team hard' to get the job done 6-8 hrs or 2 days. Delighted captain, happy engineering team, very happy Scotty. Legend!
He actually mentions that trick in TNG when talking to Geordi about it.
I also remember a reference to the same trick by B'elanna in Voyager where she tells Janeway that she doesn't do the buffer time bs and if she says 2 days it's GONNA BE 2 days.
And geordi found it insulting and said something along the lines of how he didn't want to risk lives by misinforming the captain just so that he could look good.
i thought it showed in interesting change in culture, and showed the difference between the chief engineers' relationships with the captains
This works great until my manager absolutely disregards all my estimates and tells me how long it should take. Which is half as long as ball bustingly fast.
The classic under promise over deliver. I think everyone learns it eventually.
That manager is about to receive an unpleasant wake-up call.
Without offering too many specifics, I'll say that I once found myself doing three different (albeit semi-related) jobs at once. (Think of it as the equivalent of being a waiter, a chef, and a repairman at the same time.) My official title allegedly marked me as an executive, but I didn't have any control over staffing decisions or salaries, and I was never given the chance to offer insight on those details. As such, when the time eventually came for me to depart from the company, nobody bothered to involve me in the search for my replacement.
Well, I wound up seeing the job-listing anyway, and I discovered that my superiors were trying to hire someone to take on all of my responsibilities in exchange for literally a third of my salary. In essence, this person would be expected to accept a *ninth* of the compensation that they'd arguably be entitled to. There were about two weeks left before my planned departure at that point, and I thought about offering some unsolicited advice... but I ultimately decided to let them figure things out for themselves.
To the best of my knowledge, they never found anyone.
Well, here in India unemployment is so high that one would ALWAYS find someone willing to do that work for that money.
There was quite the controversy few years ago when Masters graduates had applied for the jobs of sweepers and bus drivers.
Anyway in the IT industry, Mostly kids fresh out of college willing to go that extra mile to prove themselves. Once they realize they are underpaid, overworked and treated as low level scum, they usually leave.
The cycle then repeats. I was part of one such company. I was this guy. I earned 1.6$ per hour as a new employee. My departure when I completed 3 years (I got an offer for 3.5$ per hour) was simply substituted by two fresh college graduates eager to please working for the same 1.6$.
Kids do this because once in a blue moon, one of them will be promoted early, advancing their career quickly.
Even here in the US it’s pretty much expected for young people to do lots of work for little pay. But moving up the ladder isn’t incredibly difficult, depending on the industry.
But If unemployment is so high there, how do you move up? How did you move up in the world after 3 years? I imagine it’s hard to get out of an “entry level” position in IT there?
I work with Indian doctors here in the US and they are all here because that was the only way to move up in their specialty. Their extended families are still in India and they fly back and forth frequently.
Although this is mostly true, There is a small caveat. Emigration to the USA is more dependant on money than pure talent. The workforce the USA receives is not always the best.
To study abroad one would need around 25,000$. Coming from poverty, a very small portion have that much money. I have seen extremely bright students who are from the poorest section of the population whom I had always thought deserved better. They simply don't have that initial investment.
Due to this, the students are sometimes the children of super rich parents. These students are nowhere as talented as many Indians.
As for those who emigrate using work visas. We literally have a lottery to win. A lottery is 100% based on luck. I have seen some really good folk make it, as well as the absolute thrash who are incompetent make it.
The companies usually apply a large number of visas to increase their chances of placing a cheap worker in the USA. However of late, local hiring is being mandated by the government.
I hope you used that title to get an executive position at a new company.
Honestly, I'm not in any hurry to go back to that kind of work.
Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of unique experiences, and I got to contribute to some pretty interesting projects... but at the same time, there was a kind of insincerity about what I was doing that I really didn't like. If we stick with my original analogy, some of the job felt rather like throwing together meals that I *knew* were sub-par, then being forced to tell customers "This is the best meal you've ever had."
Whenever those customers believed me (which was often, as they weren't the most discerning of diners), a part of my soul withered a bit. Worse still, the folks above me resisted most of my attempts to improve things. "Why would we use better ingredients," the argument essentially went, "when nobody can tell the difference anyway?"
"*I* can tell the difference," I'd reply, "so there are *definitely* other people who can."
"Well, sure," the response would come, "but we never get any complaints, so why bother?"
If I said things like "Let's use shinier silverware!" or "Let's put *glitter* on the food!" I'd get a lot of support and approval... but if I tried to push for fresh tomatoes, I'd be told that there was no point.
This metaphor might be getting away from me a bit.
Anyway, the worst detail lies in the fact that the company in question was the most collaborative and supportive one at which I've ever worked. The chances that I'd have a better experience in a comparable position seem monumentally low, so I've kind of shied away from opportunities with a similar flavor.
Loved the metaphor.
Aww man. I was expecting something more cathartic. Is the wake up call just that they couldn't find anyone for what they were asking for?
Suffice it to say that they went from offering chef-prepared meals to serving fast food. They're still around – I just checked – but they aren't doing as well as they were during my tenure there.
Guaranteed their hiring people are bitching "no one wants to work anymore".
My previous employer had a raise freeze during covid even though they were desperately hiring people due to increased demand for their service.
My first ever work experience was with a "start-up" company, which basically was a 10-year-old company with very few employees that payed you really low.
The company was providing computer vision solutions like pick and place with a robotic arm. I was a junior software developer there and when I entered there were around 10 employees: 5 software engineers, 1 electrical engineer, 2 tech guys and 2 accountants / assistants.
The working environment was not very good, people started to leave and our two bosses did virtually nothing to fill in the bacant positions.
At one point, my collegue with the same work experience, education and age (we both graduated the same year from different universities) left the company. He and I had minimal out-of-work relationship, but we talked about our salaries and he was earning 20% more than I was (he told me he negotiated the contract), so I thought about going to my bosses and propose a raise (no specific number, just asking for more).
After just a year we were 5 people left. The two accounts, the electrical engineer, one of the two tech guys (who now was working part time) and me as the sole software engineer of the whole company. Of course, everything software related was my duty, so I was overworked and overstretched. I can't say I was doing the work of 5, not even 3 people, but I was doing more than my body could naturally handle.
They declined my raise at first, then half-heartedly gifted me with just a 3% raise after an awful 121 meeting with the bosses with a laughable questionaire/interrogation sl they could learn my knowledge gaps and shield themselves with my lack of experience (which was huge since I just graduated a year ago).
So one month later I filed my resignation. I sent the email in advance and went to work with the letter printed. Slammed it in my bosses desks gently, but feeling great, and once my two weeks ended I left. I did not have another job, but luck was on my side and I quickly found another one.
>then half-heartedly gifted me with just a 3% raise
Lol, that's not a raise, that's keeping up with the cost of living/inflation. They tried really hard to avoid giving you that absolute bare minimum. That's like your SO making it a big ordeal about why they should get you a gift for your anniversary, then saying your gift is them telling you "happy anniversary."
Yeah. They really tried very hard to make me believe it was an actual raise. I just feel sorry for my other colleagues which I can only suppose they had the same or similar experience.
That's kinda like me now. Left my position recently as an Industrial engineer due to being overworked and underpaid. No chance for a raise and no chance for promotion. Unemployed but way happier now, hopefully I'll find another, much better position soon.
Edit to add that I'm the 4th IE to leave from the team in recent memory. No hate to any of them, mostly management.
When I was working research I asked for a raise because I was pretty much the only one keeping the lab running and papers being pushed out. Every single article published in the lab had my name 1st or 2nd publisher. I asked for a raise and the PI said "Doesn't your wife make enough money?"
She most definitely does but that had nothing to do with my salary and how much I worked. So I left and now make 3 times my salary, MUCH better benefits, and I work less. I don't really care to see how they've progressed after I left so I don't really know how the lab is doing or if it's still there.
Not giving a single shit about them is probably the best revenge.
It's so true it fucking hurts.
My employer has spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars on ice, gatorade, things to hold ice and gatorade, chips and candy, bags to put chips and candy in, blah blah blah blah. All for employee appreciation. The thing is, they are paying certain employees to do it so like, all in all you're costing the company thousands of dollars to give us chips. JUST GIVE US THE FUCKING MONEY.
I would be SO OK if I made .50 more an hour but my job never gave me candy or sweets. Stop making me fat and fucking pay me
Corporate America checking in. Upper management tries to respond to our concerns about turnover/retention. They delegate middle management (who has no authority on headcount decisions) to come up with initiatives to help raise morale. And nothing fucking works because 8 people are running a department that should be 21. We’ve explicitly asked for HR to come be part of the solution and get nothing but lip service.
I want to quit but the money is too good so I’m just half assing it. I know I will experience the same thing elsewhere.
Can you link some of these articles? That's quite interesting if true.
I’d also love to know who wrote those articles because although is probably true in some cases, it sounds like what a lot of corporations tell themselves to not give raises.
I am one sample size but, I work at a large corporation(granted one that actually treats their employees pretty well and people here are super productive) and everyone I know who’s ever left only did so not because they didn’t like the work but because they just needed more money because we’re in a HCOL area.
But then again I guess, if most businesses treat their employees like shit I can see why people would still leave even if offered a raise.
#***SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE NEEDS A PIZZA PARTY TO RAISE MORALE! YAAAAAAAAAAAY!***
^^^^And ^^^^the ^^^^night ^^^^shift ^^^^doesn't ^^^^even ^^^^get ^^^^that. ^^^^As ^^^^usual.
Speak for yourself I’m night shift and I get the pizza party’s ^it’s ^just ^fucking ^5 ^hours ^cold ^by ^lunch ^break
Been here. I left anyway. My thought was, if they needed 2 people to replace me, but didn’t want to pay me, then they didn’t value me.
I’ve left before thinking at least I’m a job creator now, because 2-3 people will take my place.
Just put in my two weeks notice having been in this and situation for years. Felt fucking good.
My old retail boss: You’re promoted! You now have 12 new responsibilities with a whopping 50 cent raise!
Me: Ok… So who’s gonna do my old job?
Retail boss: WTF are you talking about? You do that job AND this job! Now take your 50 cents you ungrateful arse!
I had this happen. I did the job of 6 people. I asked for a $4-$6 after 6 years and only getting a $2 raise the entire time I was there. The person in charge that could make this happen laughed in my face and said I was being ridiculous asking for such a great increase. I gave notice and took a job that paid me more.
The office I used to work at hired 6 additional people to replace me. No one has lasted and it’s been a revolving door since I left. They’ve easily hired 10-15 to try and replace all those who have tried to fill my spot and the company has spent thousands in training and handling errors. They’re hemorrhaging money since I also did the auditing and would easily catch errors.
I hope the person in charge has learned to treat their good employees with love and respect.
>I hope the person in charge has learned to treat their good employees with love and respect.
Of course they didn't. In the end, underpaying people is a bit of a lottery: sooner or later, someone who's worth far more than their paycheck will stick around due to inexplicable loyalty (much like u/nancylikestoreddit did for 6 years) and then the situation will be stable for a while.
That right here, know some of these people too. Job is A, makes B and C while doing A. Only do what your paid to do and if they ask extra because you come from a certain field, charge extra. If they ask me if I repair machinery, I will do it for extra money, doubt they ever gonna fire me since I'm one of 4 guys that can control each of the machines.:)
Narrator: They didn't.
What the worst part of all of that is, is that they don't care. You didn't "stick it" to them. They are completely happy with the revolving door. Maybe not your direct boss but the company in general doesn't care.
You did a good thing for yourself and you should be proud, but it just sucks that companies don't realize how much "efficiency" they just shit right on out the window.
I've heard from a career long business consultant (highly paid) that most of what they do, is go to the bosses to see what they think the problem is, then they go to the workers and ask how to fix it. They go back to the boss and basically say verbatim what their own employees had said, but the bosses actually listen to the consultant. Consultant gets a huge paycheck, business improves, and the employees are sitting there like nothing happened. It's actually fucking retarded.
It's hilarious how much ineffeciency and straight up blockages there are in how corporations are set up. SOO MUCH BLOAT. You could take any one corp, make them get rid of half their paperwork master copies, and they'd be fine. Hell probly like 80% of any material that's ever been created is completely useless and just taking up space.
I was at a machine shop when they brought in consultants. Management didn't want them asking for employee feedback, and word of that got out. So no one talked to the consultants. They ended up changing a bunch of processes, like putting the temp workers next to educated engineers in the hopes they pick up some splashback knowledge. Everyone hated it, and things slowly devolved back to the original system after 6 months.
Company paid millions for the consulting firm.
> Management didn't want them asking for employee feedback
Never a good sign.
This happens all the time in weed, too. The issue with weed is it often takes months to see results from changes, since, you know, the stuff has to *grow*. So some consultant comes in, gives shitty recommendations, cashes a fat check, bounces, and then a few months later upper management sees how awful it was.
This is so true. Company I work for hired a guy 8 months ago whose been coming in 5 days a week since then and been paid £400 a day to discover why the company is spending so much money...
Rather than as us, The delivery drivers, they listen to this idiot go on about how it's because the drivers are doing unecessary overtime and that basically we are stealing money.
In actual fact it's because when our routes are planned we are constantly criss crossing other drivers on route as the routing is shit, their is multiple issues with deliveries/collections being cancelled days in advance but the planners still send us there and multiple other things mostly relating to the planners who sort out work out and route us.
Yet after trying to get this point across we are completely ignored and pictured as the bad guys even though 90% of us bust our arse to get sometimes impossible days done. Management suck...
>I hope the person in charge has learned to treat their good employees with love and respect.
I had a job at a place that did a few different things, like install appliances and deliver mattresses. It was easy to train people to deliver mattresses, and hard to train people to install appliances, but mattresses paid better. Since I already knew how to do both, they put me on the appliance side making two-thirds the money while new hires were delivering mattresses making more than me. One day I said nope, turned in my company phone credit card and drove home. That company lost the appliance delivery contract within a month, and someone wrecked my old work truck a week later. It was fast for a medium duty truck, and tall and tippy. We only had two of them and both the people driving them knew how to handle their quirks. New hires didn’t.
I also love when my request for a well deserved raise is denied, but more hours are generously offered!
How about also the health insurance offered that I can't afford because you don't pay me enough to afford it.
Stuck in this situation now but it is everyone in the office. Senior employee who had a heavy workload retired and management decided against replacing him. The anxiety is all over the office now. Management is also drawing a line in the sand about overtime and tons of shit is falling through the cracks. When the staff starts to leave this legacy business it will crash and burn. All over not replacing one person.
Sounds like someone at DOD wrote this. Some careers have over 100% qualified personnel on paper- but they have no experience and won’t be useful for 4 years.
Crazy how so many people from hands on jobs left to "telework" once covid started but the work kept getting done somehow. 20% of people do 80% of the work
How are these funny? This is just sad
I was an editor for my first job in the film industry. My boss tried to fuck with me so I left and sued them. Not only did I win in court but they never got their shit released either.
For some people the power trip of being in charge matters more than their job.
Almost every job I've had this happened. One that comes up was at a Hardwood Floor Store I worked for the brief time I lived in the US.
I used to hit almost every month's top sale, not because of competition, but because for me, getting paid $700 a week is a shit load of money (i'm from Brazil) and I wanted to keep that.
My boss was one of those lurkers that has a camera in every spot of the store, so he would exercise or do anything with it open (maybe even have sex while watching his lil' store). He started noticing I would always check the Sale's Graph at the end of the day, but instead of asking why he thought I was doing that because I wanted to be the best salesman in the store, as if I was competing in a fuckin' Olympics instead of selling hardwood fuckin' floor.
He called me up, said a lot of shit to my face like "you're trying to compete with who? With me?" and lots of shit that was completely non-sense. 1 week later there was a Credit Card fraud at the store (they would accept people's payments through the phone without CC proof). They said I did, but who sold it was the owner's brother, so they blamed me because I loaded up the truck (the warehouse guys were out delivering, salesmen would always decide who would finish the sell and who would load it up). They charged me $2000 for the price of the fraud instead of going for insurance "cause it's really expensive to call them". I fuckin' quit that day, through everything I needed to their faces and got the fuck out. They wanted to retain my week salary if it wasn't for all of their customers that day asking WTF was going on and why I was fired.
Life sucks, no job will ever respect or give you the appreciation you deserve. That's why I learned to do the minimum even though I can give my best, I'll leave my best side for when I feel like it and for my loved ones.
Bro, find a different job. Keep job skipping till you find one you like that pays well. Loyalty means nothing.
This isn't funny. This is just sad :(
Except what actually happens is that it gets offloaded to someone else already there who they hope won't have the courage to do the same thing
So true !
We had a great manager who asked for a raise, she didn’t get it and quit her job.
Her employee takes over the managers’ position making the amount the previous manager asked for and gets to hire more people.
….I always say, if they (employer) wants to, they’ll make it happen.
So far, I've seen that help does not come until things fail. Instead of fixing the problem before it becomes a crisis, burning people out, wrecking their morale, and making the customer irate seems to be the better option.
Because they will hire two and many others, check which ones are the most exploitable and weed out those who show self-worth. Some jobs are meant for low effort people, any one else is basecally a plus. It is sick, but its the standard we end up with.
Years ago Walmart had a hourly manager position called Zone Manager in a meeting all the ZM's the DM told us "imagine how many part time people we could hire if all of you quit".
This is why I take no bullshit at work. I'll do things for the company, but they don't own me. I'm not there for the company. It's not my company, and I don't owe it shit. If I'm taken advantage of, and choose to leave, just because the company can no longer take advantage of me doesn't mean I'm someone a bad employee.
Most people don't understand that jobs are jobs, and the company isn't yours. They don't own you. My life doesn't beling to my boss, and if I'm consistently taken advantage of, the job is no longer worth it
Literally me. I love my job but I'm pretty much a one man army job due to short staffed.
As someone who is a manager....this is a daily struggle.
But if I give this guy 2 hours of OT each week he gets extra pay AND does 80 hours of work in 42 hours. We save money and he is happy to do it!
No OT is expensive.
But it's not as expensive as 30+ hours of regular pay....
*beats head on desk*
/r/FunnyAndSad cause it’s real