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Feeling_Principle610

I actually once saw a motorcycle influencer actually recording herself on the bike lane saying it was a perk of being on a motorcycle.


Pulse_Saturnus

If no one is cycling, it's perfectly fine! It's not illegal is it? (Or atleast not where I live)


Accomplished-Bat1528

Dude you exist on Reddit just to troll on here. Please consider going for a walk or something like holy shit...


Budget-Response-1686

So when bicycles ride on the road it’s not okay but when vehicle traffic rides in the bike lane it is okay SMH you don’t even see the stupidity of your own argument. Get down voted to oblivion dickhead.


Past-Ad7885

Fuck motorcyclists who use bike lanes and park their shit in the sidewalk. You can literally park anywhere and you choose to block pedestrians.


Van-garde

I always want to kick them over when they’re parked at the bike lock. I don’t want some crazy person to kill me, though.


Agent_Goldfish

That's really fucked up tbh. First off, property damage isn't ok because you're upset. If someone does something illegal, try to get them fined (if your police department has some kind of photo/video submission system, use that, otherwise call non-emergency/email). Second, how would you feel if someone knocked your bike over? Or damaged it in some way. Third, and most important, the damage you can cause can be pretty fucking significant. Motorcycles have a much smaller safety margin than either cars or bicycles (though the latter could be argued). Kicking over a bike can damage it, and that damage might not be known until something goes catastrophically wrong. Replace what you said with, "I wish I could kill motorcycle riders for parking their motorcycles where I don't like them", and you can see why what you said was so fucked up. Are bikers disproportionately defensive about our bikes? Absolutely. But that defensiveness isn't just a pride thing (though for many it is). I'm not defending driving in the cycle lane, that's definitely not ok. I think parking near bicycles makes sense in some cases. But property damage isn't ok.


Lunar_sims

🤓


Crosstitution

pRoPeRty DaMagE 🤓


Van-garde

Not even give read it. Thanks for sharing.


Agent_Goldfish

I ride a motorcycle in the Netherlands. Most cities here allow motorcycles to park on the sidewalk so long as you're not in the way (effectively, two people need to be able to walk side by side past it to be considered "not in the way"). This varies by municipality, but this is the most common rule. To be clear, parking is a bitch in NL. Not only are there not very many spots, but the spots that exist are expensive as hell. Also to be clear *this is a feature of the Netherlands*. The difficult parking means fewer people drive cars. However, and I have to parrot this a lot on this sub *motorcycles are not cars*. Having some built in advantages for motorcycles makes sense, because traffic wise/transportation wise, motorcycles are actually a pretty good solution. In the US however, motorcycles parking in a cycling rank are just assholes.


Pulse_Saturnus

Tou can clearly see that in the US. And in the US not one even knows what cycling is.


Scalage89

I ride a motorcycle and have done so for more than a decade (I'm Dutch). A motorbike on a bike lane is something completely alien to me, does that really happen a lot around you guys?


ElJamoquio

I've never seen it in California, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, etc.


pedroah

Occasionally... There was an time a few years back where guys on Harleys went around knocking down bicyclist in the bike lane here in San Francisco.


jazzynoise

I've seen it in Ohio, mostly dirt bikes and ATVs, but only on one trail. Edit: but I've seen it about every time I've been on that trail. (Western Reserve Greenway if anyone in the region is curious). Edit again: I've also seen golf carts on a few other area trails, but not nearly as frequently.


MtbSA

Yeah Dutch traffic is heaven compared to the rest of the world. I've lived in The Netherlands, and afterwards moved to South Africa. The shit cars pull here is so astonishingly stupid, my brain doesn't know what to do with what I see


Ausgezeichnet87

Obligatory fuck anyone who rides a motorcycle in the bike lane. With that said, a car or truck using the bike lane is 100x worse: 1.) Motorcyclists cant play on their phones so they are more likely to see you 2.) Motorcycles stop quicker or can better avoid you given their small size / low weight 3.) Motorcycles leave the rider exposed usually forces them to be more mindful of getting in an accident 4.) Even if the motorcycle rider goes full tropic thunder, I much rather get hit by a 400lb motorcycle than a 7000 lb truck / SUV. I made the mistake of checking out WPD before it was banned and the way those huge trucks so effortlessly crush humans and pop your skull like Gallagher going to town on a watermelon will haunt me for the rest of my life.


Promiscuous_Banana

What a description for being run over, sounds awful


Patte_Blanche

>3.) Motorcycles leave the rider exposed usually forces them to be more mindful of getting in an accident That's sad yet true.


jimius

It's called 'risk mitigation'. So when you make something more dangerous, people will be more careful, hence less things go wrong. Motorcyclists are well aware of the precarious position their mount provides. And will be more aware of traffic. An SUV completely isolated from the outside in both sounds, vision and climate will create the illusion of an impervious coccoon, which leads to more risk taking as speeding and other dangerous activities feel less dangerous. So oddly enough, to make driving safety increase a hundredfold, just attach a knife on the steering wheel pointed towards the driver's neck.


Patte_Blanche

I know, and infrastructures play on that : putting seemingly dangerous features that forces car drivers to slow down making the road safer.


Better_illini_2008

This happened to me in a bike lane in Chicago, except it was a big ol' POS Harley coming up behind me.


sailor_sega_saturn

Just this week I was on a mixed use bike / pedestrian trail and passed someone in a motorcycle.


NKtDpt4x

"But it's electric so I can use the bike lane!"


Inandaroundbern

So I am a motorcycle rider and a bike rider. Im using the bike lane with both two wheelers and never had an issue with either of them (the motorcycle only in traffic jams obv). Not just cyclists are endangered on the road by cars but motorbikes are as well. Road safety isn't really about rules but about respect towards others. Remember everybody makes mistakes, and everybody wants to arrive at the destination as fast and safe as possible.


Shibas_N_Choccy_Milk

it's almost as if its something mythical called a joke.


CockfaceMurder

I've seen this a soo many times. A very true joke unfortunately.


ViridianChemEngin

Idk the comments didn't suggest that it was a joke.


Van-garde

Like the safety of cyclists. 🥁


MtbSA

I got banned from r/calamariraceteam precisely for complaining about someone riding in a bike lane.


Carlos_Caracas

Am I the only one who does skitching?


Mysterious-Country70

It’s just a Honda grom. It’s pretty much the size of a bicycle. It’s the smallest motorcycle you can buy. It feels more like a bicycle than a motorcycle. You all should be much more worried about cars


DrugDoer9000

Don’t really see the issue though Plenty of countries have mixed cycle/motorcycle traffic especially in urban areas, it’s fine if everyone’s going the same speed.


IngrianFileJunkie

No, people won't go same speed, even 50cc scooter reaches 45 km/h which is not sustainable speed for a bicycle (for a regular commuter). And even scooters are still much heavier and wider.


Inandaroundbern

What are you talking about? Electric bicycles do 50 km/h as well. Shouldn't they be allowed on the bike path?


IngrianFileJunkie

At least such here in Germany such bikes are also not allowed on the bike path. Only those which 1) only help you pedaling 2) up to 25 km/h are, other classes, up to 45 km/h, do exist, but they are regulated effectively like 50cc scooters, so you need an insurance and a helmet to ride it, and can only do it on roads, not bike paths.


Inandaroundbern

And what does Germany hope to achieve with this rule?


LeftWingRepitilian

cyclist safety? no one is forcing them to buy a unregulated e-bike. if they want to use the bike lane they can buy a speed limited e-bike.


Inandaroundbern

>unregulated They are regulated. >if they want to use the bike lane they can buy a speed limited e-bike. Since when is the speed regulation for bike lanes different to the normal road? If road says 50km/h max per hour that also applies to the bike lane. So if I can ride with 50km/h with my bike, which isn't too hard if you have a good bike and train semi regularly, it's suddenly okay? But when someone with an electric motor does it, it's not okay anymore? >cyclist safety If a person who wants to go the speed of the speed limit, with a bike with a motor, he is not a cyclist anymore? Because if he needs to use the car road his safety is endangered. Is the fast cyclists safety less important than the slow cyclists or how do I need to understand you?


LeftWingRepitilian

>They are regulated sorry, I meant speed limited to 25 kph >Since when is the speed regulation for bike lanes different to the normal road? it depends on your local regulations. I personally think cyclists and other human powered vehicles should not be treated the same as high power vehicles and should have laws tailored for their abilities and needs. > So if I can ride with 50km/h with my bike, which isn't too hard if you have a good bike and train semi regularly I find that hard to believe because that's about the hour record on a velodrome. sure, you can sprint to 50kph, you can't sustain it for a considerable amount of time unless you're a top athlete on track bike in a velodrome. >Is the fast cyclists safety less important than the slow cyclists because the fast cyclist can slow down, the slow cyclist can't speed up. if it's a empty bike lane with good visibility I see no problem. but if it's busy with normal people cycling you should go somewhere else, ride on the road or on a closed track


Inandaroundbern

>it depends on your local regulations. I personally think cyclists and other human powered vehicles should not be treated the same as high power vehicles and should have laws tailored for their abilities and needs. I'd be inclined to agree with you in that. However that's not how it's handled. In my country (Switzerland) the speed limit for vehicles also applies to bikes (unless specifically stated which I have never seen in my life). That's true for all countries I have visited which is quite a lot. > I find that hard to believe because that's about the hour record on a velodrome. Yes, I understand your scepticism. It's estimated that for that 1 hour record and output of 440 Watts was required. However to achieve an FTP of 300 Watts (Power you can generate for an hour) which I'm capable of, isn't that hard if you train once or twice a week. I'd give myself a good shot at sustaining 440 Watts for about 10-15 minutes, which is longer than my daily commute. And I'm by no mean a very talented cyclists. >because the fast cyclist can slow down, the slow cyclist can't speed up. if it's a empty bike lane with good visibility I see no problem. but if it's busy with normal people cycling you should go somewhere else, ride on the road or on a closed track Well here lies the problem. A granny going 15km/h can't be the standard set for bike lanes. Some people go fast, some go slow. That's why I don't see a problem with the fast E-bikes. Because the problem is speed difference not speed per se. People on bikes always deal with people faster and slower than them. The real risk is for the E-bike against cars, that's where most of the dangerous accident's happen. Respect is needed. Some people might go faster some go slower but nobody is going the "right" speed. We can make rules all we want but if we don't respect the other person of going the speed they like and are capable of, and their desire to get to their destination safely, rules won't fix anything. For instance there are intersection where they removed all signals and signs. People started to paying more attention, communicate with each other and respecting that everyone wants to get to their destination as fastly and safely as possible. The amounts of accidents decreased significantly. I believe we need less rules so that we learn to respect each other on the road again.


LeftWingRepitilian

>A granny going 15km/h can't be the standard set for bike lane that's pretty much the average speed in cities in the Netherlands, it's not slow at all. >Because the problem is speed difference not speed per se that's the problem with unlimited e-bikes. they're closer to the speed of motor traffic in cities than the average cyclist in his lane. if you want to avoid big differences in speed than they should ride with motor traffic. traffic in cities shouldn't be higher than 60kph, but even if it's 80kph it's still 30 more than the 50kph cyclist. in comparison, the 50kph cyclists will be 35kph faster than the granny going at 15.


IngrianFileJunkie

E-Bikes are not speed-limited in the same way the cars are, if you can pedal faster, do it.


Inandaroundbern

I got stopped by police once, saying that I went above the speed limit, got lucky I they didn't give me a ticket...


IngrianFileJunkie

Sorry, I meant other thing. They are speed-limited in the sense that, well, don't ride 130 in a city even if you can, but unlike, let's say, 50cc scooters, it's perfectly legal to ride as fast as you physically can (under general speed limit), though the motor won't help you anymore.