By - whitetail91
"A made up problem that isn't real" god I love the beauty of that sentence
Says the people who believe that CRT is being taught in kindergarten, acknowledging that gay people exist is grooming, and Bill Gate created covid in a pizza place with 5g technology.
The same people holding signs demanding the removal of CRT in schools where it's never been taught nor proposed.
As if kindergartners in rural Alabama are being taught strict progressive "liberal values"
Anti racism is being taught in CA in kindergarten
Grandmas right on that one
Anti racism =/= CRT. God forbid we try to teach 5yo to be nice to others.
That’s not what anti racism is.
Anti racism is teaching kids that white kids are oppressors and black kids are victims.
That white kids are personally responsible for slavery because of the color of their skin
It's pretty rich coming from the crowd that regularly act out fairytale fantasy traditions and rituals to worship a Jewish zombie from 2000 years ago
"A made up problem that doesn't exist" from the Redundancy Department of Redundancy.
I love how they always try to play both teams:
>The problem doesn't exist, but somehow we've shown it doesn't solve the problem.
Or the classic
>Sexism doesn't exist, but if it did exist, men actually have it worse
And of course the classic extreme "the Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have."
>The problem doesn't exist, but somehow we've shown it doesn't solve the problem.
Exhibit A: How they talk about Covid vaccines
My favorite is any variation of these:
"Racism doesn't exist, also, only Democrats are racist"
"Racism doesn't exist but what about racism towards white people?"
Resistance to electric vehicles is just silly, but not entirely unexpected. Didn’t people say the same thing about gasoline powered cars in the 1890s? Just a new generation of people on the wrong side of history.
It's so weird to me. My dad makes fun of EVs, because when driving +1000km you'd lose a lot of time for recharging (1. You stop to eat/pee/rest anyway 2.who drives more than 100km regularly??).
The most common argument I hear is that there'll never be enough charging stations anyway, but honestly, why would you pay extra for charging when you can do it at home for cheap, every night.
There should be some resistance to electric cars, they're not as good for the environment as they like to pretend they are. The problem, with electric cars is the same problem with gasoline powered cars. They are very inefficient and expensive forms of transportation that require cities to mold themselves to accommodate cars.
Walkable cities in public transportation is the only true answer to solve the electric car problem
It's literally cheaper and more efficient than a gas car. I don't fucking get it?
There you go with your facts. Stop bringing facts. I mean, next you are going to mention that the basic technology for electric cars has been available for more than 50 years and that the reason we are still running petroleum vehicles is that the petroleum industry paid to make the early technology go away.
The Texas Interurban Electric railway ran from 1911 to 1948 and covered a major portion of the state. After WW II and growth in ownership in private cars it stopped service. Now many of the old rail right of ways are being refurbished and going into service again.
That is great. We need to see more of that. It would be great to have an efficient inter-city mass transit system.
Shit if it’s cheaper, send me a listing for one.
Think they mean recharging the car is cheaper than filling up a gas car. But you’re right, they’re expensive as heck to buy.
Not really. When I turned in my Nissan Leaf at the end of the lease, they offered it to me for 14k and it was essentially still brand new. I saw some (also used , 3 years old) with higher mileage going for 11k.
They, on average, pay off after 2-3 years. They do cost more initially, but the increased safety and reduced fuel and maintenance costs pay them off pretty quickly.
Early a limo company switched to Tesla. They reported $30k annual savings over gas models.
I'm glad you bring up Tesla. When the ceo of a company known for making electric cars says its not cheap, affordable or sustainable. Maybe we should listen to him, and no the career politicians who have shown themselves open to the highest bidder.
'So and so steps down during allegations of corruption', time and time again.
"Don't listen to the career politician who got bought out by a billionaire, listen to the rich kid turned slave owner billionaire who bought out the politician instead!"
"Don't listen to the bought politicians! Cut out the middleman and listen to the buyer!"
Horses mouth. I'm not saying trust the guy. I'm saying wake up and listen to what's being said.
Here's a guy specialising in the industry, positioned to make even more of a fortune, and he's saying it's not financially sustainable. Do with that what you will.
He specializes in business. There's no evidence he knows very much about it other than how to run a company and sell cars.
And what kind of cars is his company known for?
Electric. Your point being?
Do you think Elon is down there designing the cars?
You know you can also get information from, like, studies and research instead of taking the word of a billionaire who makes luxury vehicles, not even the sort of EV most people would be using
Even then, these studies and research will tell you the same thing not ready yet. But go on, trust your government.
I don’t factor safety into cost of ownership so much as I do maintenance, insurance, and fuel costs.
No EVs that are worth buying are affordable yet. I’d love to buy a GM EV1 if those still existed though.
You live in America. Safety should absolutely be factored into expenses.
Well I don’t crash. My daily driver is nearly 15 years old, has claymores for airbags, has no ABS, and probably doesn’t pass modern crash safety standards and I don’t really care.
My other car was 33 years old and had no airbags nor crash safety standards worth a damn. I only sold it because the registration was about to expire and I didn’t *really* need it anymore.
99% of safety “standards” are absolutely unnecessary in my opinion. Seatbelts, airbags, and passable crash ratings are all I care about. No other modern safety tech, like auto stop, lane departure warnings, and reverse camera are actually needed. But because people are easily scared by things like mortality rates while driving, brand new car prices are inflated to hell and SUVS are top dog because of that perceived safety they give off.
Damn, all these years we've been trying to make cars safer when the solution was right in front of us: "just don't crash lol"
I follow the wise teachings of Jeremy Clarkson.
Except the thing is electric cars are safer in a crash because of higher density and softer internals, and have a significantly lower chance of catching fire when damaged.
EVs also have a lower center of gravity, so less likely to roll over.
I wasn’t disputing the safety of EVs. Also, they can catch fire from salt water damage, as has been demonstrated by flood damaged EVs in Hurricane Ian.
In all fairness, if you are submerged in water, you have a bigger issue than fire.
The car does. But I’m in Chicago so what do I know?
'Just don't crash.' lol
"Because people are easily scared by things like LITERALLY DYING"
You....you do know what mortality rates _are_, right?
Yes, I would like a shot at the Spark EV that GM built briefly.
~~You can still buy those on the used market. A coworker of mine drives one and she loves it.~~
Never mind she had a Bolt.
They are about the same as a regular car. Cheaper in some areas with big tax rebates.
It's only cheaper until you need to replace the battery bank.
Still wondering when that’s going to happen on my Hybrid. It’s a 2006 and going on 180k miles.
Good shit! But I live in a world where everything that can go wrong will, and at the worst possible time.
No, it's still cheaper. The price of replacing the battery bank is cheaper than replacing the oil, the transmissions, the catalytic converter, and all the belts and pistons.
I'd rather buy oil from Russia. /s
Genuinely why would you go out of your way to support a dictatorship?
Do you know what sarcasm is?
infrastructure isn't there yet and in some places electricity costs as much as gas. gas is clear choice still, atleast in some places
You know you can charge EVs at home through a regular power socket right?
And where the hell is electricity as expensive as gas right now?
California but that's only because our grid is a bit funky but looking at Texas I'm not too confident it's a unique issue
Roads are already there, and where is gas cheaper than electricity?
charging stations, don't tell you you can travel cross the country and not stop for gas as it is.
I don't need to drive across the country. Not everyone needs to drive cross country. And even then, it averages around 12-30$ to fully charge the battery. It's not that expensive.
Roads are already there, but charging stations unfortunately aren't always.
I _want_ to buy an EV, but I drive almost fifty miles to work every day, and don't always want to come straight home after work. EV's are great, no doubt, but they sadly aren't for everyone just yet.
The process of acquiring the lithium for batteries isn't cheap, it isn't green. It's quite expensive.
As for the lie of fossil fuels being finite, the wells we've tapped dry over 60 years ago are almost full. The earth is an oil producing machine.
They push the illusion of scarcely to drive up the cost.
The reason you don't get it is you believe what you are told without question. The karuts fromt the Frankfurt institute would be rolling in their graves.
So is the process of mining oil.
And the 'lie' of finite fossil fuels? You sound like a tenth grade dropout conspiracy theorist.
I know having a memory, to those who rely on others for their opinion, is a conspiracy.
Read a book
>The process of acquiring the lithium for batteries isn't cheap, it isn't green. It's quite expensive.
Which is why Sodium batteries are going to market now, and should be out in EVs in a few years.
Sodium is cheap and green.
EVs are better than internal combustion in every way, except cost, which is falling.
When it's affordable absolutely. When the time is right, 100%.
I object more to a manufactured crises, and fear mongering over the scarcity of a replinshable resource in order to push us into it before it is viable.
>I object more to a manufactured crises, and fear mongering over the scarcity of a replinshable resource
What replenishable resource are you referring to?
Re read my o.p in this thread.
You are ignoring reality and worshipping a lie wrapped in a meme?
Who funds the fact checker you've lazily used instead of putting in some effort.
Unlike you, who have projected the accusation, I do not get my information from memes. Nor do I put any stock in the fact checkers that create lazy, self righteous fanatics who hide behind the anonymity of the internet slinging mud instead of putting effort into a conversation.
So where did you get your information?
I couldn't find any references to your assertion other than an infinite number of fact checkers calling it all lies.
You made a bold assertion about the availability of oil.
Where did you get that from?
I appreciate you searching for the answers yourself. I acknowledge the legion of 'objective' fact checkers quick to dismiss anything that goes against those that fund them.
I'll point you in two directions to narrow your search. Look up the oil wells we depleted in the 60s, we emptied them. They are almost full. I mentioned this in my o.p
Another fascinating are to look at, relating directly to my point. Is the American funded coup in Ukraine in 2014 I believe. Look at biden's family ties in this endeavour. Look at what is happening as a direct result of Ukraine. Russia has mich oil, and is very willing to sell. He can not sell to anyone because of American / NATO sanctions. He is willing to trade to Europe, he requests rubles and the politicians are saying fuck you we won't give into Russian demands.
Electric vehicles are the future. I agree with you on that. As I said, I oppose fear mongering and orchestrated shortages to scare us into doing it now before it's financially feasible.
So many Boomers (my generation) seem to have an antipathy to EVs I find hard to understand. I think they have been taken in by the climate change deniers' propaganda. I also think for a lot of them their identity is wrapped up in the American car and truck culture of loud exhaust and powerful internal combustion engine technologies and their maintenance. Embracing EVs is seen as being unAmerican.
Believing EVs are unAmerican is rather strange considering that the EV market is dominated by an American company.
True, but Tesla is not seen as ‘Merican by these anti-EV folks. It’s seen as an elite liberal company despite its owner and many conservatives drive them.
musk did try to deliberately market himself as one of those tech startups for a long while which with comes attached the stereotype of liberal given Google and apple
i bet youll see little kickback on that 9000# EV Hummer.
Electric Vehicles are a last Hail Mary from the bloated inefficient car industry.
> made up
> doesn’t exist
Writing tip: Redundancy reduces impact.
No point in arguing the content.
>Electric vehicles (EVs)
The abbreviation makes no sense when the phrase is never used again.
This meme’s grade just keeps getting worse.
Made up problem? No, quite real. But it is inefficient, we don’t solve the car issue by making the cars different. Wish they’d understand it.
Exactly. We have an EV and love it. I would love it even more if we had sidewalks, bike lanes, buses, light rails, etc.
Cars aren’t necessarily a problem.
If by cars you mean the hobby, I agree. If by cars you mean the means of transportation, I strongly disagree. Cars suck as a transport, and we’re late by not disposing of them as such.
There’s nothing else that fits the niche of getting you anywhere at any time. I went into work across town at 4 yesterday morning to observe a production run. It wasn’t scheduled, I had the 3rd shift manager text me to let me know before he started, could have been earlier or later. I left work around 6 to hit the gym a few miles away, then went to get some breakfast before going back to work. 4 unscheduled locations before 9am across a medium sized city.
It’s not that there’s “nothing”, it’s that you either don’t try or can’t go by tram, bus, subway, metro.
There is no tram, subway, metro in medium size cities built across a large area. The bus doesn’t run from my house to my work at 4am. It doesn’t run from my work to the gym at 6am. It doesn’t run from the gym to the restaurant I went to at 7:30.
I don’t live in your city. If I lived in central London I’d take the underground to get around but I don’t.
Congrats, you’ve figured out the problem. There SHOULD be. But people like you who are forced into owning cars claim it gives you a freedom while stealing poor people and yourself of the possibility of cleaner and public transportation. Because of people like you believing “cars aren’t the problem”, is why your city doesn’t have trams, buses or subways. You look at the lack of public transport and you don’t seem to understand cars are responsible for it.
There should not be a bus line dedicated to shuttling people from my house to my workplace across the city at all hours of the day. That would be ridiculously inefficient. It would be empty 99% of the time and only carry me the other 1%.
That’s absurd buddy. What you’re describing is a dedicated vehicle just to get me around, and also a half dozen full time drivers. It’s much simpler for me to own and drive my own vehicle.
My city doesn’t have a subway because it’s not New York. It’s not very cramped and very vertical. It’s spread across a wide area with low density, a subway would be completely inappropriate for my city. You’d need hundreds of miles of very expensive tunnels and hundreds of stations, each serving a very small number of people.
Yeah and tell me why it’s that little dense? Why don’t you talk about terrible urban planning based around making you dependent of cars? Are we really this dumb? You’re literally stuck on a life in which you’re dependent of your car, in a city built to force you to own a car, and you think the problem is not the car. [This basically](https://youtu.be/qGgBoEpLQdQ) explains my point of view on cars and why they’re at the center of the issue with transportation. Cars are not the problem as in cars existing isn’t bad. Cars are a problem as in cars being used always for transportation is literally forcing you on a certain life and destroying cities. CARS are a problem for transportation.
While you are making good arguments, you are overlooking reality. Most cities that have mass transit system that include a train system have it out of necessity, not out of planning. Most cities that grow to a size that a could support a very robust mass transit system build those systems afterward, because they are expensive to build, maintain, and expand.
You are arguing it is a planning issue, but it is more of an economic issue. Most locals do not have the financial wherewithal to build an efficient mass transit system. And this would be true even in centralized economic models. A small city is generally not going to have mass transit beyond a bus system because, despite your arguments, it just isn't efficient. Would it be nice? Yes, but is it realistic? No.
I'm in the same boat. Itd be ridiculous for a subway to come anywhere near my town in the Midwest. A bus might meet a small fraction of my needs if at all.
Most places don't have most of those options, none of them go to the places many people need to go, and none of them are useful if you need to transport stuff with you.
I agree that there is massive room for improved public transit and reduced car usage, but this kind of casual, sneering dismissal is worse than unhelpful.
How is admitting that cars are a problem dismissing the issues? By admitting cars are a problem we’re opening discussion about public transportation. I’m not telling (and no one is) people to stop using cars magically. I’m telling people to stop thinking it’s not the problem, and trying to act like electric cars are not bad for climate change or pollution. Cars are the problem at the center of transportation, admitting it is not dismissal, it’s progress.
> you either don’t try or can’t go by tram, bus, subway, metro.
Do you not see how that reads as sneering dismissal? Guy said "Well, here's a specific real-life example of when I needed a car" and your response was "Whatever, you're lazy or that doesn't count."
Perhaps I was hasty in my reply; this could be another case of tone not transmitting over text, and you didn't intend to come off that way.
I literally said in that same quote “you either don’t try or CAN’T”. Reading comprehension, anyone?
The “best” method of transport is always the one with the most infrastructure.
Car dependency is a massive issue and EVs are a circuitous way to not even solve that issue. Too bad auto manufacturers lobby against public transportation infrastructure. We have never needed cars.
As they are now, they undoubtedly are
A car is not a problem. Lots of cars is a problem.
Let's assume that you are correct that the problem doesn't exist, would it not still make sense to reduce pollution and improve air quality for everyone? And let's continue to to assume the problem doesn't exist...didn't G-D tell us to protect his creation? Do you suppose that spewing lots of petroleum product pollution into the environment is protecting the He would want us to?
“MUH SUBURBANS BETTER THAN UR DINKY LITTLE ‘LECTRIC CAR, DUMBOCRAP.”
After spending near $500 on gas last week.
“No way in hell are those overpriced automobiles replacing my horse and buggy” SMH.
Must be nice to be a conservative sometimes. Don't like the reality of a certain situation? Bam! Change the reality so problem isn't real!
You hate electric cars because reasons,
I hate them because they still take the same amount of ressources to be built and to maintain functioning (roads and other stuff) while being highly not worth it compared to their capacity.
We are not the same
Wtf are you on about
Trafic is still trafic, doesn't matter if it contributes to pollution or not. Cars just suck in general.
Sure, cars aren't the most efficient form of transport, but it's not like consumer demand for them is going away anytime soon. Whether you like it or not, huge amounts of new cars will be produced within the next few decades. So why not make those new cars electric, and therefore vastly more efficient than the alternative ICE cars?
Oh you misunderstood, I hate cars in general, not just electric ones. Electric ones are better, but still problematic and remove only one problematic aspect of cars. The problem is also that America is car centric so demand won't go down.
Not sure If creating the problem or simply taking advantage of a crisis.
Be careful in your attempts to shit on grandma, don't let your disdain blind you. Pick up a history book and you'll see this shit isn't new.
Facts don't care about your feelings, grandma.
If you could get an electric car at the price of a Honda Civic, this whining wouldn’t exist. I get it—EVs in their current form are elitist image machines.
>If you could get an electric car at the price of a Honda Civic, this whining wouldn’t exist.
You underestimate how much the "gas guzzler or nothing" crowd likes to whine
Grandma sure likes to bitch about gas prices for someone who thinks EVs don’t solve any problems.
Actually giga based. r/fuckcars
My definition of Electric Vehicles (EV's):
They sound like UFOs and UFOs are cool, therefore EV's are cool. Case closed
You know, I partially agree. They are an inefficient solution. The real solution is public transit.
Inefficient for sure, but not in the way they mean it. Still in a lot of urban planning hellscapes or remote areas you can't really get by without a car.
Why do I get the feeling that Gam Gam's mother was saying the same thing about leaded gasoline in the 60s?
How much will global warming go down if I buy an electric car?
*How much will global*
*Warming go down if I buy*
*An electric car?*
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first part is correct tho