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akillathahun

Except driver salary doesn’t count against the cost cap….


MayorAg

But it goes into the McLaren PL statement.


Errvalunia

That’s a problem for their investors and sponsors They’re at the budget cap I think so it doesn’t have an impact


DippStarr

The budget cap is very prescriptive about what expense items need to be included. Typically it's most related to staff, logistics, car development, and materials. Certain aspects of facility spend for improvements are not (see Aston and their entire new home base). Whether McLaren are shortchanging themselves at all is another story. Their majority owner is the sovereign wealth fund of Bahrain, so it's not exactly like they have any real shortfall of cash if the king wants to spend.


Deepandabear

Still money that could have gone to recruiting the best possible staff - it’s no wonder Red Bull have amazing cars when the cost cap doesn’t include bonuses to staff


MikeFuckingHoncho

Except it’s still $18 million fucking dollars lol


soontobecp

They were going to give it to him anyway. It’s not like ric got extra 18 million.


DonovanBanks

Oscar is getting the “extra” money.


soontobecp

Not 18 million


Terrible_Excuse_9039

Oscar isn't paid that well for F1 standards.


0sprinkl

I think a lot of newcomers would be glad to pay for a place on the grid.


Terrible_Excuse_9039

But they wouldn't be as good as Oscar.


MikeFuckingHoncho

He’s getting 18Mil to sit on his ass as a reserve and watch McLaren tank, vs getting paid 18Mil to bust his ass an entire season as a lead driver trying to score points for a championship. He got an extra 18 million lmao.


Fordmister

>getting paid 18Mil to bust his ass an entire season as a lead driver trying to score points for a championship. Cept if its anything like happened for the last two seasons he would have been busting his ass to be several seconds slower than the other car and even if it was capable of scoring regular points Danny wouldn't have been scoring them. Dont get me wrong I understand why those is being memed on, the McBrick this year is draggier than a draggy thing, Danny was super popular and the manner of his sacking wasn't the nicest. But lets not re-write history and pretend any other team on the grid wouldn't sack a driver who was performing that poorly compared to a teammate that the team lost out on a constructors championship position, especially when the opportunity to put the new wonder-kid in the car came along.


MikeFuckingHoncho

Cept Daniel Ricciardo has more wins in a McLaren than Lando. ![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|14437)


latroo

Ocon has more wins than Ricciardo in a Renault/Alpine


MikeFuckingHoncho

Okay and is Ricciardo driving for alpine? What a dumb fucking example. Ocon is #1 on alpine. lol


latroo

Ricciardo isn't driving for McLaren either


MikeFuckingHoncho

What’s your point exactly? Kinda was aware that Danny’s initials aren’t PIA but thanks for the heads up lmao. You gonna make an educated argument yet?


LikeUnicornZ

The meaning behind this comment is so dellusional I sat and stared at it for 5 minutes wondering what was going on in your head when you wrote this.


Fordmister

to quote Aristotle (yes its big brain time) : "One swallow does not make a summer, neither does one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy" Monza as a Mclaren Fan was the best moment we have had over the last few years as Mclaren Fans no doubt. I remember at the time hoping beyond all hope that Danny had finally got to grips with the car and that the team was going to be able to kick on with two seriously talented drivers performing well.... But it was a flash in the pan, a one off result which kinda becomes fairly insignificant in terms of points won and lost when the two season are looked at in their entirety. Danny was excellent that weekend, but you cant only be excellent for one weekend every 2 years and expect to keep your job in a sport as cutthroat as F1


MikeFuckingHoncho

You’re the one who brought up nothing happening for two seasons, not me. Don’t go telling me my example doesn’t count when I bring up something that has happened within the last two seasons. That’s called being a hypocrite. How’s that for big brain time? ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY) I’ll play along tho. Since F1 is so cutthroat, how long do you give Lando and Oscar to drag that brick up to the midfield before they get sacked?


Fordmister

>You’re the one who brought up nothing happening for two seasons I literally didn't say that...... I made a fairly obviosly generalised comment about the two years Daniel spent at Mclaren and its objectively the case that over those two years he failed to score regular points in a car that was capable of it. If you can find and quote where is said "nothing happening for two seasons" then Ill give you your hows that for big brain time...without it I'd suggest that your reading needs a little work there champ


MikeFuckingHoncho

Okay blah blah blah, how long tho?


Terrible_Excuse_9039

Yes, Danny Ric got a win, great, I'm happy for him. He was still clearly the worse driver of the two and anyone with a working brain and a pair of eyes could see that. Ocon got a win in the Alpine and Fernando didn't. Is Ocon a better driver than Alonso?


MikeFuckingHoncho

Alonso is a 2x world champion, so no. Ocon is not better. Lmfaooo the irony that you comment about having a working brain.


Terrible_Excuse_9039

The irony is that you actually seem to believe that one good race from Danny Ric makes up for two seasons of being slower than his teammate. I'm done arguing with you now, no matter what I or anyone else says, you're too stubborn and delusional to see you're wrong.


MikeFuckingHoncho

I never said I believe that. People just made that assumption because I used it as ONE EXAMPLE. My issue is not Lando. My issue is not Danny Ric. My argument is that McLaren has far more of a CAR problem than they had a DRIVER problem. And that sacking Ricciardo was a waste of $18m The amount of development both the car, and Piastri need in order to be successful is unrealistic for this season.


LabPotential5748

Quick reminder they focksmashed the car either way


DonkeywithSunglasses

Daniel would’ve had a better race by the way. That’s because, unlike rookie Oscar, he’d never qualify in the top 10 to have contact with any other car.


Kolec507

You know, he'd start closer to Magnussen tho...


DonkeywithSunglasses

Aw shucks


fkogjhdfkljghrk

instead they got a driver who's actually capable of matching lando


samillos

Yes, Piastri ended 2 positions ahead Lando, which also isn't that great of an achievement when only one pilot ended behind Lando


PointyForTheWin

That one pilot being Bottas who was only there because his Sauber (which is faster than the shitbox McLaren) got damaged.


biggish_papi34

Dang that's crazy. How many more points than daniel does he have so far? 🤔


fkogjhdfkljghrk

As of race 2 in the season, they're level


Taz-erton

So....They're absolutely equal drivers then!


thisonemaystick60

Daniel was dogshit the last two seasons and priced himself out of a lower midfield drive


TheMikeyMac13

The sad thing is that if Max or Checo misses one race this season, with this Red Bull car, Daniel might be on a podium.


fkogjhdfkljghrk

only winner for redbull in the last two weeks


AcceptableSilver2

Matched? Lando was told to leave piastri alone otherwise lando would have easily overtaken him


soontobecp

Lando was already ahed of him dumbass.


Ki_Andi_Mundi

Tell me you know nothing about Ricciardo and Piastri's contracts without telling me you know nothing about their contracts. McLaren's only added expense from replacing Ricciardo is Piastri's salary, which is reportedly less than $1m per year.


biggish_papi34

*laughs in only-race-win-in-over-a-decade*


PepperoniPizzzaaa

![gif](giphy|f6OI1XvMKEY9nfvU0v)


biggish_papi34

This was actually the gif i was looking for, so thank you 🫡


77Granger

Well, is safe to say that Ricardo wasn’t the problem yet.


biggish_papi34

![gif](giphy|LSKVmdIwZFeNEBKBxZ)


karlweeks11

Do people have such short memories they don’t realise how shit he was in that mclaren. Lando was fighting alpine by himself in the constructors


77Granger

1. It is safe to say that a driver under shit management with a shit car, is going to perform poorly. Keep in mind the picture above is Ricky doing a terribly gross shoey, after WINNING an actual GP. Yes the stars did align, but he won none the less. He did have some shinning moments. Along the downward spiral that McClaren is in. 2. Lando did not perform astoundingly better. Better yes, but not amazingly so. Lando drove like shit in a similar car. Lando came in behind Piastri today. That must make Lando a terrible driver. I don’t think so. 3. I believe it is the team on a whole. CEO, Principal, engineers. That are to blame for the poor TEAM performance. One could say that they actually have more input to the TEAM performance, as it is 3% difference that the driver actually provides. From what I have heard from people more informed than myself.


penisdismantler

Monza was an amazing performance by Ricciardo but the rest of the time he was consistently beaten by Lando pretty handily. In 2021 Lando beat Daniel by 45 points. In 2022 Lando beat Daniel by 85 points. You can't blame just the team alone. I'm not saying Ricciardo is a bad driver, just that he wasn't the right driver for McLaren. You can see this in other sports like hockey where an underwhelming player is traded to another team and they suddenly start performing far better I'm also not saying that McLaren isn't a shit show, it's painful rooting for them :D Im just saying that firing Danny wasn't the wrong move. I really hope he can make a comeback but it just wasnt working with McLaren.


karlweeks11

‘Stop inventing stop inventing’


77Granger

They are doing it again, and this time Lando is at risk.


karlweeks11

Doing what?


77Granger

The way they managed the race with Lando and Oscar today.


karlweeks11

Replacing front noses when they had to? Which then put them 30s behind on lap 2?


77Granger

Asking Lando give up his position, to Oscar


karlweeks11

Neither of which were point scoring places. What difference does it make?


Suxals

Ric ended 45 points behind Lando in 2021... but the issue was Zak Brown?


77Granger

Agreed


Rusteez_

The car wasn't shit in 2021, it was at best 3rd fastest in some races and at worst 4th fastest. Yeah he won but you are forgetting Lando was told to not fight for the position too as the team was in actual position of winning after God knows how many seasons. Similarly Mclaren could have easily gotten 4th in Constructor's Championship last year if you consider the massive point difference between Norris and Riciardo. That wasn't a shit car unless you are using the standards Mercedes are currently using to McLaren lmao Lando did perform astoundingly better last season, you can excuse 2021 season by "oh he was getting used to the car" but his abysmal performance last year cannot be justified as both drivers are new to the car. How can you blame the team for the 85 point deficit between him and his teammate? He finished level on points with Vettel who was driving for a team whose both cars got out of Q1 in Bahrain lmaoo (Although their car got quite okay in race pace in later season, but still cannot justify him finishing level on points when he had a way better car than him) No one is actually blaming Danny Ricc for McLaren's poor team performance this year just so you know, unless you came from twitter.


StormtrooperMJS

Lando wasn't catching Danny that day. Before the Max/Lewis safety car Danny was 9 seconds ahead. If the crash doesn't happen Lando has to defend from both Max/Lewis. With the safety car Danny was managing his pace and did the fastest lap of the GP on the final lap. Danny was pretty terrible the rest of the time at McLaren. But Lando wasn't beating him that day.


Rusteez_

Danny was 9 seconds ahead because Lando was stuck behind Max and was constantly under pressure from Lewis in starting. He would have cooked his tyres in trying to close the gap to Max and overtake him, not even accounting Lewis. But after the safety car be was just behind Danny after he got the overtake on Leclerc done but was told by the team to not fight. It isn't a far fetched idea that the guy more familiar with the car and who out scored the other guy in all races except 2 could have challenged him for the race lead. Idk where you all are coming with this 'Lando wasn't beating him that day' take, I am not saying that he almost definitely would have. But him not having any chance of beating Danny is an absurd take considering that was what he was doing most of the previous races.


StormtrooperMJS

Danny was constantly under pressure from Max as well and kept him behind. Lando was 4.5 seconds behind Max before the pitstop. That's not stuck behind Max. That day on that track, Lando wasn't beating him. If he was as good on that day and was that much faster he would have multi 21d him. He didn't. That being said. Danny was terrible on every other day at McLaren. And I'm an Aussie and a Danny ric fan.


77Granger

McClaren COULD halve gotten 4th, but didn’t. It was a shit car. This year is an even bigger shit box. Even Lando would admit that. Even the experts talk about it. If they could have easily gotten 4th in constructors cup. It proves my point even more. And when referring to standards it is customary to use top performers, but I was just comparing team. As to how I can blame an 85 point deficit on the team. I already explained this. They never “truly” got behind Daniel. I don’t care who you are or what you do. If you even feel like, you do not have the support, you will not perform. This is true no matter the sport or even profession. It is safe to say that neither you or I, will ever know the true treatment of Daniel, unless you are Zack or a team member along those lines. However, we can see the treatment and replacement process that took place. Let alone things done and things said while he was there. They did not treat him well, I call that management. Good luck with Oscar, considering they just shit the bed with Lando. Asking him to give him the place to Oscar this GP. What the hell was that point. You and they understand the place they were in. That decision made absolutely zero sense, and gained zero in either driver. They are still essentially in last. What was the point of not retiring the car last GP. The TEAM made a decision probably base on money to continue the race. That is the only excusable reason. Witch posses another question. Force your driver through a no win situation where everyone loses. Or, cut your losses, and make it up later on down the line. Forcing the driver tells them they are indeed in a no win situation. I don’t know if you ever listened to these guys, but winning is everything. There is no hope, that management is sending to their drivers and they know it. If their was Hope they would have retired the car. They haven’t had any answers for quite a long time.


DonkeywithSunglasses

Yes, and you know, of all people, how truly McLaren backed a driver that performed so shit in the car. Your entire excuse is the car is shit. True, it was. Especially compared to ‘21. But it had the capability to get points (only podium outside the top 3, remember?) Daniel was ABYSMAL compared to Norris, ever since he joined. He got out of Q1 more often than not. Compared to Piastri, who in basically a 2022 car with minor upgrades is getting to Q3 with rival teams having gotten near fully developed cars for this year. So yes, he was not the problem fully. The car was crap. But even in the days it wasn’t, he was. And this was even worse in ‘21, where McLaren had a realistic P3 chance and he botched it.


chengstark

He definitely wasn’t the main issue, he didn’t cause the shitty car performances, but he didn’t help much either. I’m more concerned about Zack Brown though, what a failure in so many freaking years, nothing to show for it.


latroo

Uhm a rookie is literally keeping pace with Norris better than Ricciardo but yeah Ricciardo wasn't the problem


Vesk123

Well not really, because I'm pretty sure they're not paying Piastri 18 mil per year and they would've had to pay the 18 mil to Daniel anyway. So they are probably down a few mil at most. Now, was it worth it? Probably not.


monkey-socks

Plus the price cap, so the money couldn't have gone on car development?


newtablecloth

I thought driver salary was not part of cost cap?


biggish_papi34

But issa meme, it's not a factoid 😂 ![gif](giphy|vwDL17QA40nuc011BO)


Vesk123

Yeah, but jokes are more funny when they are true lol


biggish_papi34

I mean its not not true. Daniel wasnt the problem lol


Quardener

Daniel was most certainly *one of* the problems.


ActualCounterculture

[funny](https://media.formula1.com/image/upload/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/Headtohead2022/1920x1080_MCLAREN-NEW.png.transform/9col/image.png)


Vesk123

Yeah but firing him also didn't cost them 18 million


latroo

But a rookie is doing better than him


Driving_Seat

Tell me you don’t know how the budget cap works without telling me how the budget cap works.


biggish_papi34

![gif](giphy|tZAyTIfgQFwfC)


fkogjhdfkljghrk

of course you don't you're a stanniel


Driving_Seat

I mean it’s a shit meme if that’s of any help


Kolec507

Do you care about F1 at all or do you just want to hate on McLaren for no reason? They've made a good decision, Ricciardo was shit. Both Norris and Piastri were purely unlucky in Saudi. Learn something about the sport before posting such a meme...


DougieFresh_899

Steady gentlemen….


bugi_

This is a meme sub my guy


Kolec507

Memes are funny when they have connection to reality


Barry_Longcauqe

Yeah 2 + 2 = 4 is true but not funny


Rolex_throwaway

This comment is dank indeed. Zak Brown better find out where the local unemployment office is.


GeneralJones420-2

Ricciardo fans are starting to become the most annoying fanbase in F1. How can someone sniff so much copium?


sirkashmir

Ricciardo fans now having the time of their lives this season... shitting on McLaren and waiting for Max or Checo to miss a race so they can watch Daniel lol


Alternative_Mirror80

Max and Checo aren’t missing a race and even if they did it would probably be either Yuki or Lawson that would get a run.And you can shit on McLaren as much as you want still doesn’t change the fact that Monza merchant isn’t getting a seat anytime soon


ntszfung

Imagine Ocon fans keep bragging about the win


ShadowOfDeath94

Ocon has fans?


the_popes_fapkin

May as well have changed paint & badges with Williams


biggish_papi34

I mean, Williams had the Gulf sponsorship this weekend 😂😂


[deleted]

Danny Ric was ass and you fans are being absolutely delusional. The McLaren car is shit but at least Piastri (a rookie) is keeping relatively close to Norris. Danny Ric was being S M O K E D by Lando. The current problem = shit car, problem then = Danny Ric being fucking ass while his teammate consistently and considerably outperforms Great Value Alonso (all of the shit career moves without any of the titles to show for it)


Kolec507

Thats whats called "copium". The stans just cant accept Ricciardo not being on the grid, so they just try to laugh. Obviously it was a good decicion by McLaren. >The current problem = shit car, The car isn't even shit. Yes, they've had double mechanical problems in Bahrain, but in Jeddah it was pure bad luck with Gasly squeezing Piastri and Norris getting front wing damage as well. The car has got the overall pace, especially in quali. Just lacks straight line speed, so overtaking seems nearly impossible.


Jesse-Ray

Daniel's good vibes stopped the bad luck happening, this car runs on happiness my guy.


chaosarcadeV2

As a long time Riccardo fan the Stan fans make me wanna inspect a front wing at 350 kph


KY-NELLY

![gif](giphy|x15lcpWjf6i8d3EWU0)


Rolex_throwaway

Triggered much? It’s okay, they’ll fire everyone running McLaren at the end of this year, and maybe then they’ll have a chance.


Op_specter

Do people not understand that they would have needed to pay him even if he stayed. Only difference is the added cost of Piastri's salary.


sum_yung_guy69

![gif](giphy|8PdDPE8uOWOux4QFgt) Ke ke ke ay ay rrrrrrra


Boostedbrocoli

Lmao oscars performance in jeddah has shown that daniel wouldve been even worse in that car


AureumSaber

Another day, another copium post from DR fans.