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RobertGracie

I know the peak complexity of the front wings was around 2017 or something before they simplified everything a year later and it shows how the front wings have evolved over 10 years


Kolkom

2007, loved the bridge on the Macca


TheRomanRuler

> bridge on the Macca What is bridge of Macca? What Ferrari had?


Kolkom

Check out the McLaren MP4/22


[deleted]

Looks quite similar to the Ferrari F2007


Kolkom

Lol, because it was a copy of the Ferrari... I wish I was kidding: [Stepney Gate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formula_One_espionage_controversy)


VinhoVerde21

Please stop spreading this narrative. The FIA investigated McLaren throughly in both 2007 and 2008 to make sure no Ferrari IP had been incorporated into their cars, and they found no evidence that it had.


Spooginho

Yeah they didn't even look anything like each other (unlike for instance, when you compare the 2004 Sauber to the 2003 Ferrari, or the 1995 Ligier and Benetton, Pink Mercedes, etc.)


Kolkom

Okay, Ron. It didn't add up to me then, nor does it now, that McLaren would be excluded from the championship solely because they were in possession of Ferrari documents.


VinhoVerde21

Renault were caught with classified McLaren documents that very same year and got no punishment whatsoever, while Mosley wanted to ban McLaren from F1 for 2 years. Please tell me in what world does that make logical sense. The penalty only makes sense when you put into context how big of a hate boner Mosley had for Dennis and McLaren.


Kolkom

Looks like we agree that something doesn't add up.


Unhappy-Fan-7576

My god the f2007 was so sexy


dirtyjoo

A McDonald's in Australia near a bridge?


McCramer

Macca? McDonald's?


Kolkom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macca


Tylerama1

Maccas is McDonald's in Aus/NZ.


McCramer

yeah which is why I was asking if that's what he meant


SpectacularNelson

Yaa 2018 would’ve been peak front wing complexity they kinda muffed it up not including that in here they make the 2022 front wings look like amateurs lol


giovannigiusseppe

2018. Those wings were insane.


ATWPH77

Should have included 2017 or 2018 for "good measure".


Pure_Measurement_529

Those complicated front wings with those abominations of bargeboards haunt me till this day


_0110111001101111_

I loved seeing all the small, intricate details in the barge boards and front wings but to each their own!


nicolaslabra

i too loved the almost fractal bargeboards


XsStreamMonsterX

You mean the sticky uppy bits.


doenr

I cannot not hear that expression in Martin Brundle's voice.


Vaexa

Always wondering what the 250mm exclusion zone was meant to achieve given the y250 ended up being a huge contributor to dirty air.


Foxmanjr1

The middle part of the wing was most heavily impacted when following another car, which is why they chose to make it a neutral area


_Praise-Kek_

Pre 2009, it was thought cars couldn’t follow closely because the wide and low rear wing took the air away right where the center front wing was located. 2009 rules gave us tall and skinny rear wings that should have less of an effect on front wings that made its downforce closer to the edge of the car anyways. Unfortunately, out-washing became the best way to make cars faster with these new front wings and wasn’t really considered or thought of when the rules were made. This was exacerbated with the 2017 rules. 2022 was a second attempt at trying to make cars follow closer to each other.


XsStreamMonsterX

Outwash front wings were the real innovation brought by the Brawn BGP001.


Giratina_8

i think it was a safety reason


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XsStreamMonsterX

2014 is what you stick inside your mouth.


Bennyboy11111

2012 is a dark void where dreams die.


Unhappy-Fan-7576

Step nose f1


arcticrobot

It is just like Gillette shaving cartridges - more blades every year.


_____AAAAAAAAAA_____

2018 gave us insanities like [this R.S.18](https://i.redd.it/js00f529uvj91.png)


MelancholyMeandering

A *lot* happened between 2012 and 2022. [Here's your annual reminder of the "twin tusk" 2014 Lotus.](https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/5000000/5040000/5047000/5047600/5047651/s6_1001929/1001929.webp) [The 2014 Caterham had the same energy.](https://www.f1technical.net/gallery/2014/jerez-28/jm1428ja429)


ivaks1

To add to the disturbing looks of this car, see that the "Tusks" are not symmetrical since one is longer than the other


RevoltingHuman

That was to comply with regulations IIRC.


Retsko1

About safety i think


Nameless739

The front wing could only have one endpoint. Having two would confuse the crash test


MelancholyMeandering

Fair, that's hard to tell from the pic.


nicolaslabra

>The 2014 Caterham had the same energy. all that intricacy, and now cars with much much much simpler front wings produce way more downforce, engineers are just not normal.


Belkotosko

Imagine you are CNN and then you see your logo in there


Codydw12

I have a model of that. Every time my cat so much as looks at it I'm scared she's broken an element


Average_Tnetennba

To be fair, the original kinda looks like a cat has had a big go at it.


Daeurth

Once the wings had to be simplified, the craziness went to bargeboards. Now that those are gone, I feel like the edge of the floor is the new frontier for insane aero


Brzyo

And the Mclaren was pretty bonkers too. https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/amp/YBrjvLKY/s6/f1-mexican-gp-2017-mclaren-mcl32-front-wing-detail-6341149.jpg


Hinyaldee

How did they even come up with such a complicated wing


photenth

The regulations are pretty clear where things are allowed and where not, so when you want some aero pieces and the only way legally you can get there is over the side, you build like that. And all the complexity happens through iteration. this works better than this, so let's go this way and add a little more -> repeat until you have such weird wings.


CityofCold

Easiest marketing gig on the planet. Sales are going down, what are we going to do?! Add one more blade!


arcticrobot

and a gimmick at that. I use old school Merkur safety razor with Feather blade and it shaves as good as those ridiculous cartridges and costs way less.


T3dd4

I spend $8 on blades 4 years ago for 100 blades, I still think I have at least 80 left.


arcticrobot

yep. I am using one blade per shave and still lots cheaper and more pleasant with proper cream and brush and things :)


B_Type13X2

Have a safety razor and a few straight razor's when I get lazy with maintenance I use the safety razor they are pretty damned good considering the cheap cost of the blades. Been slowly converting people over to them.


CeleritasLucis

I use straight razor for shave. Closest shaves ever


arcticrobot

totally believe that. Maybe one day I will look into that and the upkeep I need to do.


Hughsea

America employs the same idea when it comes to traffic management. Add one more lane!


delirio91

But the freeway never truly got wider.....


suddenlycirclejerk

lmao. relevant YTMND from 2006. https://cobalt.ytmnd.com


space_coyote_86

It's certainly not The Best A Man Can Get though...


arcticrobot

yep, those times are long gone.


WhatAmIDoingHere05

The 2006-2008 designs/placement will forever be my favorite in terms of sheer looks.


[deleted]

2007 BMW and 2007/08 Ferraris were perfect


Unhappy-Fan-7576

2004 bmw


[deleted]

Just looked it up, that’s beautiful. But isn’t that a Williams technically?


Unhappy-Fan-7576

Yea Williams bmw it was called the walrus


Unhappy-Fan-7576

Montoya drove the wheels off the car it was crazy fast


WhatAmIDoingHere05

The 2007-2008 ~~Ferrari~~McLaren would like to have a word with you


[deleted]

Also a very beautiful car


Hinyaldee

I loved the 06 Williams more personally


VinhoVerde21

>~~Ferrari~~~~McLaren~~Renault FTFY


Walks_Walks

Late 1990's and early 2000's wings looked so simplistic yet elegant.


Kaiser-32

I will always remember the look my grampa gave me when I told him 2009 front wings were wider than the wheels. Shame we will never go back to the smaller cars with limited aerodynamics.


space_coyote_86

Who knows. In 2008 they might not have expected to see the ridiculously complicated aero again but then it came back for 2017.


idkjustsomeuser

Why is limited aerodynamics a good thing?


Kaiser-32

Well I guess that to each his own, but with cars this big and aero dependent dirty air is more punishing than when cars were smaller and more simplistic, even in 2008 when cars had a lot of aero bits. Racing was closer and cars were more difficult to handle, specially after they removed traction control. The size also makes cars too big for most tracks, and that is also related to aerodynamics as bigger cars generate more downforce and grip, also easier to handle. Also to be said that racing back in that time wasn't much different in terms of overtaking, as that has always been difficult with F1 cars, but it looked more exciting.


Hinyaldee

The dirty air was still pretty much in full effect too as it was part of the reason for the aero chane in 09. Drivers were already complaining of dirty air back in the late 80's


Koffiato

Because it forces teams to find more creative solutions & also reduces the amount of dirty air usually.


berrywhit3

Jesus 2012 was so ugly.


Unhappy-Fan-7576

We shall never speak of the dark ages


foemb

I don't know what you guys think, but the f75 is imo one of best looking Ferraris of all time. Shame it fell flat


DerGsicht

If only it had a sponsor on the rear wing... iirc they had Ferrari text there for one race and it looked so much better. The all black just feels too much like a placeholder to me.


KaamDeveloper

I wouldn't say it "fell flat". Till the flexi TD it was regularly on pace or in some races, better than RB. If Ferrari and Charles hadn't fucked it when they had the upper hand, RB would've had to mount quite a comeback.


foemb

I was in a sudden hurry and had to finish my comment. No it didn't fall flat but it wasn't what everyone thought after the first rounds. That combined with the strong RBs and the Ferrari fuck ups it just was too much


AggrOHMYGOD

I like it from every angle but head on The nose just looks so long and terrible imo


ranting_madman

2007-8 front wings were the sexiest ones.


BaylorClub

Gaping Maw 2012.


Morganvegas

I loved the surfboard noses


No-Brilliant9659

Ok now do 1997, 2007, 2017


mallogo

Could have included [the 1992 nose](https://i.imgur.com/PkYxmR9.jpg) as well, showing how we went basically full circle in 30 years.


RyoTheMan

Was about to say, this year's cars with the nose look more like modern versions of early 90s cars. And i welcome that


Captain_Smartass_

2012 made me throw up


Hack874

My lord those early 2010s cars were hideous


ThreesKompany

Why was the nose so high off the ground on those cars?


KampretOfficial

An attempt to get as much air under the car as possible.


ThreesKompany

Iiintersting. Why did it switch back to a lower nose?


KampretOfficial

IIRC it was for safety, as nosecones started to get too high for the side crash structures to do their job properly.


ThreesKompany

So are the lower nose cones today because of regulations or for speed? Or a mix of both? Its curious to think that it might help make a car faster to raise the nose so far off the ground.


Spooginho

Regulations. The cars used to have lower noses until around the start of the 90s, although Newey had kind of raised the nose very slightly (still with front wing directly bolted to it though) with his 1988 March. Then in 1990 Tyrrell raised the nose even further with the FW attached on either side via diagonal struts, before the 1991 Benetton effectively settled on the basic format seen in 2002/2012, with two vertical struts connecting to a full-width wing below the nose, by mid 1996 every team had this format of nose/FW as the best solution. These cars returning to the late 80s/early 90s format is basically prescribed by the 2022 regulations.


Unhappy-Fan-7576

I think the low slung noses of previous years were too dangerous ?


confused_demon

2012 was a legendary season, and yet had some of the ugliest cars in the last 20 years


imaginary_bolometer

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! Why did you skip the 2018 liberty extravaganza?


virtualdamage57

2012 🤢🤢🤢🤢


iamricardosousa

I can "accept" 2002, but 2012 were an abomination. ​ 2022 were just stunning!


ThreesKompany

Can someone explain to me why the nose of cars was so high off the ground in 2012? Other cars in that era that the same thing, the nose high off the ground and then long extenders down to the front wing. Seeing the change in a decade where the nose is now low again is striking.


Deathtrooper50

I think you missed a few steps.


dyysxse

2002 was a good year in f1 and overall


Hinyaldee

Errr no, unless you only talk about appearences. Schumacher dominated the hell out of that season


RevoltingHuman

Boring as fuck season.


cplchanb

You need to include 2018 which was the pinnacle of bonkerness for fw design


DylBurrows_

That 2002 car was peak


Fabri91

The sequence looks like it's sneezing


mingenii

The high nose era was a very sad time.


LouilliGM

I still draw F1 cars like 2002 models. That's when I started to learn about the sport from my dad and those designs got stuck to my head.


PM_ME_UR_TNUCFLAPS

2012 - dark times


graaaaaaaam

2022 wings are sexy as hell. I can't stand those drop wing things, they look like the front fell off of the cars.


bwoah07_gp2

The 2012 era front wings are beautiful!


Takashimmortal

I always wondered why previous gen wings had a hole in the center (sorry engineers). Any thoughts?


BuBBles_the_pyro

Goping, still loved the penis noses though, so funny.


UnignorableAnomaly

Wheres 2018


Skyhill55

2002 looks amazing and iconic


TeeEm_27

it yawned


YpsilonZX

It's yawning!


levibub00

It’s insane how ugly the mid 2000’s cars were yeesh


aedan356

makes me wonder what 2033 wings will look like


nahnonameman

Great comparison but it looks like two generations of turbo hybrids and the first generation of V8 machines machines were skipped. The 2014-2016 V6 Turbo Hybrids, 2017-2021 V6 Turbo Hybrids and V8 2006-2008 with grooves, smaller body and highly complex aerodynamic bits everywhere.


Carmesean

tldr: o O •


endersai

OP hiding the worst part of the 2012 nose though.


prancing_moose

Those duck face cars a decade looked so very strange. And I think they really lost the plot when we got those dildo-nosed cars - that was hideous. The cars last year were enormous … I still think that the late 80s and early 90s had the best looking cars and liveries.


PaschalisG16

It's interesting how to get 2022 nose is closer to retro designs than it is to the 2012 one


Sevenfest

So we're ignoring the penis years then are we?


Vinura

2002 was the best. Bring those front wings back.


azza_backer

i realy think 2009-1013 front wings were amazing


FlagellumDei1991

Is it just my fixation, or modern F1 cars' look don't change as much as the ones e.g. pre 90s? Compare the 2002 Ferrari with 2022 Ferrari then do it with a 1982 Ferrari.