I love that the Theodore Racing name is being kept alive, but I still wonder what exactly it is that they do. They don't actually run their own racing team; instead, they pay to brand other teams, such as Prema and Craft Bamboo. I wonder what the Yips get out of this arrangement other than (very expensive) paddock passes.
I don’t know, but the Yip family is very big in the Macanese gambling scene (Teddy’s first wife is Stanley Ho’s sister). So probably a good tool to promote their Macanese business interest with the Macau Grand Prix.
Haha. Good one. But in all seriousness, in Macau everything is for sale. So they will call it the Tencent Arena or something. They like Vitamin M aka money there
He has money, but not this level. Also judging by how he tried to aproach other teams to convince them to drop the entry fee, i'm not sure how much is he willing to spend
I mean if I had a chance at saving hundreds of millions I’d at least ask. Even Jeff bezos would want to save a few hundred million if he started a team.
But once he's actually in Formula 1, he can make that money back thanks to the new Concorde Agreement which both guarantees payments just for being on the grid, but is structured in a way that raises team values. That is, if he can get in (the exclusivity being of the things raising team values).
So Americans pointing out Sergeant is a MAGA chud is going to upset you? Because that's going to happen.
Edit due to can't reply because got blocked: he literally posted MAGA plus Biden memes on his Twitter, family has shady political connections.
More like he's going to invest into a team in some form if an opportunity arises. He's worth $1.7 billion and that might sound like a lot but buying/starting a team would eat up half of that so I can't see it happening and he wouldn't be allowed to do the latter anyway.
I think he’s already invested in Williams. If he still wants to start/buy a team, he just wants to throw money away.
I think what he’ll likely do is try and join Andretti (if they’re allowed in) as a partner so he can say he owns it (kinda like Radcliffe and Mercedes)
> kinda like Radcliffe and Mercedes
I would like Daniel Radcliffe shoved into a race car and told to win.
No Questions, no answers. Toby Jones as Dobby is his crew chief.
I Radcliffe and Gint both get dropped into cars with sacks over their heads, the sacks are removed and Toto stands between the two cars. "Now, you race for me. Win!"
in 2020 when buying Williams it was uncovered that Dorilton is in fact Calvin Lo's American based family fund. for what I can only assume are shady tax reasons, he's been incredibly good at keeping his name off most of it, but there's zero evidence of Dorilton being funded by anyone other than Calvin Lo.
*there's been much reported on him being quoted as wanting to put together an Asian syndicate as a means of funding a new team, but not much has come out since the rumors last year.
Was that actually proven? I remember an article that discussed some suspiciously close links but I don't remember anything concrete actually being found.
very possible considering we have no concrete proof of anything. the secrecy side of things would def. go hand in hand with what little we really know about PdP. that being said, if he's not behind Dorilton, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he has bought into the team considering it's Williams.
>He's worth $1.7 billion and that might sound like a lot but buying/starting a team would eat up half
He's also not got $1.7 billion in his bank account, there's no way he could fund the creation and maintenance of an entire brand new F1
Yah a low 10 figure billionaire is not rich enough to support and compete in this sport these days. Top teams will hit billion value fairly soon so u have to be in the high 10s or 11 figures to play.
Lawrence Stroll is worth 2.8 as of 2022.
When he proposed to buy Force India, i remember looking and he was worth 2.2B. Not far off the 1.7B, but Stroll had a whole consortium of investors with him.
Gene Haas has a personal net worth of 250 million. Obviously the team is sponsored by his company and not his own cash, but still doable, after rhw original 500 million buy in ofcourse.
As you say, Stroll had a consortium of investors with him.
Plus they bought Force India for $117 million, which is a long way away from current team prices of like $700 million for a backmarker. He also got Aston Martin so could get some brand value out of his team instead of it being a generic racing team like Racing Point.
And also, Gene is worth way more than $250 million.
There’s also limits to what Chinese businessmen can put into foreign investments. I guess theoretically he could start an F1 team with him as the face of everything but he would need additional investors
Sadly that distinction is not meaning so much these days - and I'd guess is on its way to going away. He probably wants to get it out before that changes.
Yeah rich people dont spend their own cash, they just have access and clout to borrow huge sums or head up a new company that can borrow as much as is needed, the value of owning an F1 company is at a high right now, so that's not a problem.
They can then make a profit once new investors get onboard, or build it up, similar to what Stroll has done, if he sold now he'd pocket a good profit.
My personal theory is that he is acting as a front for the Chinese government who wants an f1 team for whatever reason. If this is the case he has alot of "investors" behind him.
"However, he is now eager to expand his F1 portfolio by investing further – either by taking over a current outfit or **forming his own team**"
MarioAndretti joins the chat...
it's a status thing and if you read about Lo and think critically, you get the impression that when it comes to flashing (and hiding) money, horses aren't going to cut it.
That’s nice.
Mario fucking Andretti. Former F1 race winner. Ultra successful race team owner. Guy with $billion dollar backing. AMERICAN - YOU KNOE SAME AS THE PEOPLE WHO OWN F1….has been trying to get a team for years.
Good luck rando.
If I was a billionaire I definitely would. Wouldn't worry about it being an investment or a business or success. Just spend the money, enjoy being a part of the sport. Give a few rookies an entry way into the support. Celebrate like a new king when we get a podium
Lots of people making the old "to become a millionaire..." joke. But people are forgetting that the new Concorde Agreement is designed to allow F1 teams to actually make money. There's a reason why Gene Haas isn't selling or why McLaren turned down a $750 million dollar buyout offer from Audi. The new Concorde, as Domenicalli has stated, is designed to turn teams into "profit centers" in their own right. People like Zak Brown and Toto Wolff have predicted F1 teams to be billion-dollar enterprises in half a decades time. It's this that's attracting billionaires like Calvin Lo (who may already own a large chunk of Williams via Dorilton) to the sport.
I think F1 it’s not interested in a new F1 team unless is a car manufacturer. But I won’t be surprised if this guy manages to do what Andretti failed to accomplish
Lol. Good luck. If they won't let an American racing legend do so in the fastest expanding market for sure some rich guy in the fastest contracting market/political minefield will have quite a tough time.
Seriously these are the worst kind of users on social media. So trigger happy to find anything to make it about some conspiracy that it's the underhanded doings of [insert country/culture/people they don't like] and then make a lazy comment about it.
It's just some article about some Billionaire's intentions, they haven't even formed anything, yet you're treating it as if the FIA have already given them approval just to spite Andretti. Amazing.
He wont be putting all his own money into it he will have other wealthy silent investors plus lots of chinese sponsorship. This will most def be a china vanity project.
I don't understand this or the Audi thing. If there aren't people being knocked out of the race in Quali, and there isn't massive reliability issues any more then the grid is fixed at the current size and people can only buy into existing teams. No one is going to invest multi millions not to race.
Would be the second f1 entry from Hong Kong, after Theodore Racing (1977-83)
His son is still involved in [racing](https://theodoreracing.com/)
I love that the Theodore Racing name is being kept alive, but I still wonder what exactly it is that they do. They don't actually run their own racing team; instead, they pay to brand other teams, such as Prema and Craft Bamboo. I wonder what the Yips get out of this arrangement other than (very expensive) paddock passes.
I don’t know, but the Yip family is very big in the Macanese gambling scene (Teddy’s first wife is Stanley Ho’s sister). So probably a good tool to promote their Macanese business interest with the Macau Grand Prix.
If they build a soccer stadium will it be named the Macarena?
Haha. Good one. But in all seriousness, in Macau everything is for sale. So they will call it the Tencent Arena or something. They like Vitamin M aka money there
RIP Teddy Yip
How to become a millionaire in one easy step
Billionaires HATE this one simple trick!
How to make a million start with 2 million If andretti can't get a team, i hope this guy won't. But money talks
But Andretti has money though. Makes it even more confusing to me.
Money, facilities and experience in other disciplines. But maybe because of all that his money is missing some 0's
Maybe the money is too clean or the Andrettis are considered too pleb
He has money, but not this level. Also judging by how he tried to aproach other teams to convince them to drop the entry fee, i'm not sure how much is he willing to spend
I mean if I had a chance at saving hundreds of millions I’d at least ask. Even Jeff bezos would want to save a few hundred million if he started a team.
But once he's actually in Formula 1, he can make that money back thanks to the new Concorde Agreement which both guarantees payments just for being on the grid, but is structured in a way that raises team values. That is, if he can get in (the exclusivity being of the things raising team values).
Learning from Elon!
Is your username in regards to the Porsche active stability management technology?
PASM is the suspension stiffness changing and active engine mounts thing, PSM is the stability thing
Oooo right. Active *suspension* management. Thanks for the correction!
So no blue check for you?
Don’t bring that shit here.
No. All sub reddits, all media, all news must be Elon 24/7!!!!! /s
Haha, sensitive about success via rich daddies?
Keep this shit stirring out of our hobby. Is it difficult to understand?
So Americans pointing out Sergeant is a MAGA chud is going to upset you? Because that's going to happen. Edit due to can't reply because got blocked: he literally posted MAGA plus Biden memes on his Twitter, family has shady political connections.
Damn he is? How MAGA we talking here?
And it has absolutely nothing to do with the sport. Stop spoiling the fun for attention.
Why do you weirdos feel the need to talk politics, and make everything about politics at all times. Be normal, jesus christ man...
I also believe it’s unnecessary here. And if he is, fuck that guy lol.
Zuckerberg has done a better job at that.
Two steps: Step 1: Become a Billionaire. Step 2: Form an F1 team.
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He'll no longer have doors that go like this
What is the one easy step to become a millionaire
More like he's going to invest into a team in some form if an opportunity arises. He's worth $1.7 billion and that might sound like a lot but buying/starting a team would eat up half of that so I can't see it happening and he wouldn't be allowed to do the latter anyway.
I think he’s already invested in Williams. If he still wants to start/buy a team, he just wants to throw money away. I think what he’ll likely do is try and join Andretti (if they’re allowed in) as a partner so he can say he owns it (kinda like Radcliffe and Mercedes)
>I think he’s already invested in Williams. If he still wants to start/buy a team, he just wants to throw money away. Don’t kink shame
All I’m saying is there’s cheaper ways to be a paypig
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> kinda like Radcliffe and Mercedes I would like Daniel Radcliffe shoved into a race car and told to win. No Questions, no answers. Toby Jones as Dobby is his crew chief.
Ngl I didn’t realise that it’s spelled with a T, not a D, but I’m going to leave it bc I’d also love to watch Harry Potter and the Order of the Grid
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Wind
Harry Potter and the Order of Team
I Radcliffe and Gint both get dropped into cars with sacks over their heads, the sacks are removed and Toto stands between the two cars. "Now, you race for me. Win!"
in 2020 when buying Williams it was uncovered that Dorilton is in fact Calvin Lo's American based family fund. for what I can only assume are shady tax reasons, he's been incredibly good at keeping his name off most of it, but there's zero evidence of Dorilton being funded by anyone other than Calvin Lo. *there's been much reported on him being quoted as wanting to put together an Asian syndicate as a means of funding a new team, but not much has come out since the rumors last year.
Was that actually proven? I remember an article that discussed some suspiciously close links but I don't remember anything concrete actually being found.
Joe Saward claimed Peter de Putron is the man behind Dorilton and seen him first hand on the grid and in the paddock with Williams at Monaco.
very possible considering we have no concrete proof of anything. the secrecy side of things would def. go hand in hand with what little we really know about PdP. that being said, if he's not behind Dorilton, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he has bought into the team considering it's Williams.
I mean if I had more money than I knew how to spend, an F1 team honestly doesn't sound like such a bad pastime.
Marussia 2.0
>He's worth $1.7 billion and that might sound like a lot but buying/starting a team would eat up half He's also not got $1.7 billion in his bank account, there's no way he could fund the creation and maintenance of an entire brand new F1
He just has to snap his fingers and the bank will give it to him
Yah a low 10 figure billionaire is not rich enough to support and compete in this sport these days. Top teams will hit billion value fairly soon so u have to be in the high 10s or 11 figures to play.
Stroll is only worth 2.8 B.
Only worth 2.8B
Lawrence Stroll is worth 2.8 as of 2022. When he proposed to buy Force India, i remember looking and he was worth 2.2B. Not far off the 1.7B, but Stroll had a whole consortium of investors with him. Gene Haas has a personal net worth of 250 million. Obviously the team is sponsored by his company and not his own cash, but still doable, after rhw original 500 million buy in ofcourse.
As you say, Stroll had a consortium of investors with him. Plus they bought Force India for $117 million, which is a long way away from current team prices of like $700 million for a backmarker. He also got Aston Martin so could get some brand value out of his team instead of it being a generic racing team like Racing Point. And also, Gene is worth way more than $250 million.
There’s also limits to what Chinese businessmen can put into foreign investments. I guess theoretically he could start an F1 team with him as the face of everything but he would need additional investors
As he's a Hong Kong citizen and not mainland Chinese, such restrictions do not apply to him.
Sadly that distinction is not meaning so much these days - and I'd guess is on its way to going away. He probably wants to get it out before that changes.
Ugh Reddit discussing geopolitics makes me want to bash my head against the wall
It's 1997 all over again, but this time for real.
Oh damn I never heard about this but why are there limits as to how much Chinese businessmen can put into foreign investments?
They want Chinese funds flowing back to their own economy.
Because it’s harder for the CCP to control them if they can get their money out of China.
Most likely the CCP will own a big part of that team and will expect a big pile of cash from the team every year.
If the team has propaganda/distraction value I could see them just footing the bill without expecting much monetary return.
Yeah rich people dont spend their own cash, they just have access and clout to borrow huge sums or head up a new company that can borrow as much as is needed, the value of owning an F1 company is at a high right now, so that's not a problem. They can then make a profit once new investors get onboard, or build it up, similar to what Stroll has done, if he sold now he'd pocket a good profit.
My personal theory is that he is acting as a front for the Chinese government who wants an f1 team for whatever reason. If this is the case he has alot of "investors" behind him.
Didn't we hear something about Lawrence Stroll trying to sell his team? O.o
“How to lose money” speedrun
!RemindMe 10 years
More teams the better
How do you make a small fortune in motor racing? Start with a large one!
First they'll do their due diligence, which involves counting all the money, AND NOTHING ELSE.
Interesting, but wasn’t Calvin Lo the secret backer behind Dorilton? Pretty sure he was.
Do you have any links for this? Curious to fins out more!
Speculation. Dorilton is US based and they make investments for him, no different than say Berkshire Hathaway invests for their clients.
When I'm in a losing money competition and my opponent is a billionaire owning a F1 team.
Yes please i muss the time with all the crazy backmarkers
If this happens before Andretti gets in that would be so disappointing
Or Porsche lmao
That’s my thought too. Hard to argue the bias then.
Imagine they let him form a team but not Andretti.
**Toto Wolff and Christian Horner Enter The Chat**
Would love to see a new team on the grid that pops up out of nowhere that has a lot of money and that’s it. What could go wrong?
4 years of vettel winning. that's what could go wrong.
How do you become a millionaire in motorsport? Start as a billionaire
You sir is wise
Yes he's wise making the same joke as everyone else
Fun guy, wonder why you’ve fallen out with friends :(
How to turn a large fortune into a fortune.
I'll be a bit pissed if this goes thru when Mario F'ing Andretti isn't allowed to get a team.
Oh another billionaire wants an f1 team
Panthera Team Asia?
"However, he is now eager to expand his F1 portfolio by investing further – either by taking over a current outfit or **forming his own team**" MarioAndretti joins the chat...
It seems pretty clear that F1 isn’t interested in an 11th team.
Ah, so we get to witness the making of a millionaire
Shoutout to panthera F1
If Andretti can’t get in, neither can this guy
Goodluck. This sport is tighter than a virgin to get in.
Watch this get more positive coverage than Andretti
Why? Does he have a son who wants to drive or does he just hate money?
it's a status thing and if you read about Lo and think critically, you get the impression that when it comes to flashing (and hiding) money, horses aren't going to cut it.
That’s nice. Mario fucking Andretti. Former F1 race winner. Ultra successful race team owner. Guy with $billion dollar backing. AMERICAN - YOU KNOE SAME AS THE PEOPLE WHO OWN F1….has been trying to get a team for years. Good luck rando.
He won a WDC in 78. He's literally one of the greatest race car drivers ever.
Gaa jau!
If I was a billionaire I definitely would. Wouldn't worry about it being an investment or a business or success. Just spend the money, enjoy being a part of the sport. Give a few rookies an entry way into the support. Celebrate like a new king when we get a podium
Gentlemen, start your HK street races rumours!
Lots of people making the old "to become a millionaire..." joke. But people are forgetting that the new Concorde Agreement is designed to allow F1 teams to actually make money. There's a reason why Gene Haas isn't selling or why McLaren turned down a $750 million dollar buyout offer from Audi. The new Concorde, as Domenicalli has stated, is designed to turn teams into "profit centers" in their own right. People like Zak Brown and Toto Wolff have predicted F1 teams to be billion-dollar enterprises in half a decades time. It's this that's attracting billionaires like Calvin Lo (who may already own a large chunk of Williams via Dorilton) to the sport.
They should talk to the Andretti organisation about getting a team license first
I think F1 it’s not interested in a new F1 team unless is a car manufacturer. But I won’t be surprised if this guy manages to do what Andretti failed to accomplish
Meanwhile, Andretti Autosport is waiting......
Lol. Good luck. If they won't let an American racing legend do so in the fastest expanding market for sure some rich guy in the fastest contracting market/political minefield will have quite a tough time.
Cool do that for a couple years and then sell it to Andretti
Get in line
"Hong Kong" billionaire...
Oh that's nice. I guess Chinese money is more money-y than Andretti money.
nope. Anybody can put out a press release. no way in hell this becomes a real thing.
Seriously these are the worst kind of users on social media. So trigger happy to find anything to make it about some conspiracy that it's the underhanded doings of [insert country/culture/people they don't like] and then make a lazy comment about it. It's just some article about some Billionaire's intentions, they haven't even formed anything, yet you're treating it as if the FIA have already given them approval just to spite Andretti. Amazing.
lmao exactly. Do people really think a Hong Kong billionaire of all people would be tripping over himself to exert CCP influence or whatever?
dude is a fan of Timcast, so that explains his willingness to believe in bigoted conspiracy theories.
Yeah, just fucking watch what happens. You'll see.
You say that like he's getting in. Andretti might if they get a manufacturer to support them. This has no chance.
Accurate
More money-y
Vijay Mallaya 2.0
People can say what they want about Mallaya, but that Force India team punched well above its weight for way longer than it had any right to.
Is it Jackie Chan? He has a WEC team.
Andretti in a costume?
News like this are not of my interest, as long as FIA don't allow new entry teams.
Just no
He wont be putting all his own money into it he will have other wealthy silent investors plus lots of chinese sponsorship. This will most def be a china vanity project.
As long as they don't buy an existing one.
Got to team up with Jackie Chan
Vanyang Mallaya
We need 22 car or 24 car grids again yo
Lau Rinz Strowe
Sounds like someone needs to get rid of dirty money
Watch, he'll get granted a team entry but a name recognized around the world (Andretti) won't.
I don't understand this or the Audi thing. If there aren't people being knocked out of the race in Quali, and there isn't massive reliability issues any more then the grid is fixed at the current size and people can only buy into existing teams. No one is going to invest multi millions not to race.
They won't let Andretti make his own team; no shot that they let some billionaire in instead.
They need to shut this down.
good, we need more teams