When do we see the stats from that survey


[Last years census post](https://redd.it/mu1f0a) and the [census results](https://redd.it/ndm8u1) should give an indication.


Drivers nations knockedout from WC already, from 2022 grid: * Stroll/Latifi * Perez Advanced for round of 16: * Verstappen * Halmilton/Russell/Norris * Ocon/Gasly * Ricciardo Failed to qualify to WC; * Bottas * Zhou * Albon His nation doesn't have a national team: * Leclerc


You missed Vettel, Schumacher, Sainz, Alonso and Tsunoda (De Vries and Hulkenberg too if you count sub appearances)


Well, They are still playing the group stages and could be knocked out or not, but I forgot De Vries.


Well we don't know their status yet...


Is formula 2 or formula e more prestiges?


Formula 2 is for F1 hopefuls. FE is mostly composed of former F1 hopefuls that didn’t make it. A little bit apples and oranges, what’s more prestigious, a bunch of pimple faced kids who haven’t proven shit or a bunch of grown men men clinging onto a career in single seater racing.?


Formula E is more prestigious imo. It is a separate racing series and the top or all electric racing. It will be interesting to see what happens when formula 1 inevitably goes ICE-Less


Formula 2 because it has a better route to F1 and is more competitive


So I usually spend the off season watching older seasons but I think this time I want to spend it learning more of the history that I missed out on. I was wondering what do y’all think are must watch docs on f1? Just anything that delves into the history or historical moments/rivalries etc


McLaren Senna Williams Schumacher A Life Of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story 1: Life On The Limit Ferrari: Race To Immortality Lauda: The Untold Story Rush (theatrical movie but based on the true story about the rivalry between Niki Lauda and James Hunt) F1TV has a bunch of documentaries too The official F1 podcast Beyond The Grid is also a really great way to learn stories from the past as told by those that lived them


Thank you! Yes I listen to Beyond The Grid. It’s great


I'm curious about this as well


Just got tickets to my first f1 race! It’s gonna be in Singapore. Any tips?




What are the chances the DRS zones are shortened for next year since we've seen much closer racing this year?


The cars still need an advantage to overtake, while we see closer racing there is no guarantee that without it or with it being reduced other cars can overtake, without an aero or performance advantage. But FIA is constantly adjusting the DRS zones anyways, they're not the same length from year to year.


Now that Max is using Number 1, can a new driver come and take number 33?


As previously said, Verstappen's number is held for him. All driver numbers are also reserved for two full seasons after their last session in F1. Kubica's 88 will be reserved for him until at least the end of 2024, just like Ricciardo. Unless/until either drives in any session between now and then. 7 (Räikkönen's number) is still held for another year, but will be available for a driver to take in 2024 if they want.


No, not allowed. Their old number is reserved for them.


Has any F1 driver ever used the number 13? I know it’s considered an unlucky number but it’s personally my lucky number so I’m always curious to see if it makes its way onto the grid


Maldonado had his unluckiest seasons ever while driving with #13. I dare to say his switch to Lotus was the worst move from 2010s.


Pastor Maldonado


Before 2014, numbers were assigned by the local organisers, then by F1. The number 13 is considered unlucky, so it was only used twice during this period, in the 1963 Mexican Grand Prix, by Moisés Solana, and by Divina Galica at the 1976 British Grand Prix. Starting in 2014, drivers were allowed to choose their own number, and Pastor Maldonado used \#13 for 2014 and 2015.


Another mildly interesting tidbit to add to that is that the German GP organisers *did* give out #13 in the first three years of the F1 GP, but thanks to their unique numbering systems and a bit of chance, no car with that number actually ended up appearing. * In 1951, they started with the lowest support class and went up from there with the next #x1 available being given to the following class. F1 thus started with #71 and a Formula 3 car had 13. * In 1952, they ordered them fastest first, but gave each class a prefix, so F1 started at #101. The ever so unlucky [Johnny Claes was #113](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/F0AY0T/german-gp-nurburgring-1952-gfp-johnny-claes-hwm-F0AY0T.jpg). Spiritually, I'd say that was a 13. * Then in 1953 they gave out all the regular numbers, but the guy assigned #13, Mauritz von Strachwitz ended up not appearing, because he lost his road license a few weeks before the race.


Is there anything you don't know?


I knew about the change to how numbers were distributed but didn’t know if all the 13th place finishers avoided the number. Interesting that Maldonado used 13 though!


Until a few years ago driver numbers were assigned based on the previous years constructors championship standing, so drivers must've had no. 13.


They didn't use 13 it was skipped, they were 1-12, skipped 13, and went to 14-23 for example. Its why Kovalainen and Barrichello used number 23 as the second car of the last team in the championship in 2008 and 2009.


Ah I didn't know that.


anybody ask santa for any formula one related gifts this coming christmas like tickets to a grand prix diecast autograph items


Sadly Santa doesn’t have the budget. Tickets are damn expensive these days.


who is the best to replace Binnoto?


There are rumors it’ll be current Alfa Romeo team principal Frederic Vasseur There were rumors that it would be Ross Brawn because earlier this year he announced he would be stepping down from his role as managing director of F1 but he confirmed a few days ago that he is retiring from the sport




correct answer


I know that teams and drivers are limited to how much time they can spend behind the wheel to collect data and let the drivers practice. Is there anything preventing a team from running a precious spec car say 2020's or 2021 to give new drivers practice in a true F1 car? From what I gather it's still a huge jump from f2 to F1 so I'd imagine rookies would love some experience in a car that fast.


They can run in older cars. Piastri, for example, did a ton of testing in Alpine’s 2021 car before Piasco iirc. There’s also been mentions of Williams paying Alpine to allow Sargeant to test in older Alpines during the break, and it’s been said that Alpine will also be offering testing opportunities for Gasly, so it’s definitely something that can happen and will happen over the break. The main thing with running in the 2021 car, for example, is that it’s a car from previous regs, so it won’t be exactly the same, but you still get experience of some kind.


They can run older cars without problem, but they have to be older than three seasons otherwise they would need FIA approval. Some drivers have paid for runs in older cars, such Stroll and Mazapan. Stroll paid for it a few times on tracks he could book out before racing there when at Williams.


I believe they're also required to run specific test-only tire compounds, so they can't run a 2018 car with current-season tires. That really limits the amount of data they can gather and effective practice they can give.


Or they can simply run the last generation cars. McLaren is having Piastri run on the 2021 car.


Only with FIA approval if its younger than 3 seasons. Older no approval is needed so much easier


Spent the last 3 or so hours reading about what the fuck that Abu Dhabi ending was. As a new race fan that ending was confusing


It was confusing to old race fans too, don't feel bad.


From 2021? Oh lord, have fun with that one! Biggest race ending farce in a generation.


Can someone educate me on why Red Bull did not bring Kvyat back up and went for Albon instead when Gasly got dropped before/during summer break of 2019 (don't really know when it happened) Was it because a theme that they expect their young drivers to absolutely smash it straight away? (ex. Vettel finishing 2nd in the WDC in '09 at his first season in RBR, Ricciardo finishing 3rd behind the Mercedes duo in '14, Verstappen winning his first race at RB at 18) or was it for another reason Kvyat was apparently scoring most of the points at Toro Rosso at the time and iirc he got a podium at the penultimate race before the summer break at Hockenheim


Red Bull was looking for someone that could get close to Max and they knew Kvyat was not that. In general, Red Bull is aggressive and they take the same approach with drivers. Being safe is not good enough. Basically the opposite of what Haas is doing. They have brought back two "safe" drivers after the previous year of having two rookies. Williams and McLaren on the other hand, both went with rookies looking for the next big thing.


Some great points made already, but the other thing to consider is that RB wasn’t fighting for a championship in 2019. Yes, they were fighting for the occasional race win and might have been able to fight for 2nd in the WCC with a good 2nd driver, but ultimately Red Bull is in the sport to win titles. So it makes sense for them to take risks and run experiments in a season where the WDC and WCC are out of reach. If 2019 had been like 2021, it’s possible they would have considered Kvyat the safer option and gone with him.


Kvyat was a known quantity. Red Bull dropped him before but brought him back to use as a benchmark because they had nobody to promote. Albon was pretty close to him as a rookie already, so they gave him the opportunity. Red Bull are looking for those top drivers who can perform and show speed quickly. It’s a clear theme that the top drivers in the sport will perform as soon as you give them the equipment. Albon didn’t turn out to be good so they took Perez who was available because they had no alternatives.


Kvyat had more points but wasn't performing better especially considering Albon was a rookie. The podium Kvyat got was a good example of that. Albon drive far better that race.


They have such a large junior program that they've always seen it as more beneficial to try out different young drivers in the main team, rather than bringing back drivers who have already tried and failed to impress.


Kvyat already had a chance in RB. They wanted to see what Albon could do.


IIRC RB / Helmut Marko weren't keen on his "over-commited" approach of racing like a Bull in a china shop. During the 2015 season, he was very good and out-scored Ricciardo - but according to Marko, Kvyat convinced himself that something was strange feeling / wrong in the brakes and was never able to match the same level of performance. RB academy's approach is chucking their juniors in the deep-end and seeing whether they sink or swim. In the case of Verstappen, bar the aggressiveness (which RB actually took as a positive in his case), he swam. Which is why they went for the unproven (but drivers showing potential) Albon and Gasly rather than the "known quantity" Kvyat. There may have also been some behind the scenes attitude problems - which is why RB never took Gasly back (even after Albon's struggles began) . But kept Albon around and helped him get back on the grid the season after.


>In the case of Verstappen, bar the aggressiveness (which RB actually took as a positive in his case), he swam. When it comes to aggression, I think the difference between Verstappen and Kvyat is that Verstappen had a better degree of control over it. When Kvyat made that foolhardy lunge that wiped Vettel out, his aggression crossed over into recklessness. Verstappen showed more discipline in containing that aggression so if he was ever reckless, he could reel it in and regroup.


Leo Turrini, one of the journalist who broke the news about Binotto three weeks ago (he's such a weirdo but he has some connections with Ferrari) says today that Binotto is in talk with Audi and there's a chance he'll join the company in the future. Predictable, but still annoying having seen Allison doing weel somewhere else.


I can see why they're interested in Binotto. He is the most experienced F1 engine guy available on market. Crucial for any new factory team (hell, even for existing teams) considering 2026 is a massive overhaul.


We really can't be mad or annoyed at Allison for going back to the UK given the circumstances.


https://i.imgur.com/XLs5pWX.jpg where can i find better resolution version of this image?


r/f1porn might have it. Otherwise, if you know the photographer you can Google search it. Though to be honest, I've seen much better Mercedes pictures this year than the one you've linked.


Fun fact. Jead Todt offered his regignation to Montezemelo after the double DNF at Hungary 1996. Montezemelo rejected it. Todt remained at the team for another 13 years winning 6 drivers titles and 8 Constructors titles.


And the fact that they've not won a single trophy since Todt left speaks volumes.


With Ferrari splitting with their TP and the entire board of Juventus putting in their resignation, big names in Italian sports are trying to navigate a turbulent time. I saw some saying on social media "Arrivabene, come back to Ferrari." Well...I read this: >*"Agnelli, vice president Pavel Nedved and CEO Maurizio Arrivabene are among 15 people who could face a trial for alleged false accounting and irregularities in player transfers."*


fernando said in an interview about lewis outperforming him in 2008 that he had to change his driving style that season. Do u think this is a genuine reason or an excuse ? I am a new fan so Idk what to say.


McLaren fucked it up. They should have made Alonso number 1, won the titles and let them race from 2008 onwards. Alonso had to adapt to the new tires which took time and he wasn't as good on them and also McLaren being against him as Dennis said didn't help.


Its both. He definitely needed time to get used to the Bridgestone tires. Raikkonen is another example of that. But we all know its also a bit of an ego thing as well. Alonso took getting matched or beaten by Lewis pretty badly in 2007 across the year. Which went from just being grumpy to the whole Hungary qualifying incident, blackmailing the team to get preferential threatment and the nuclear fallout of spygate that resulted because of it.


Fernando was driving Michellin's whilst at Renault, there are numerous videos on the weird driving style he had to use with the Renault to extract maximum performance. Driver61's was the best but it looks like it's been copyright stricken by FOM. Instead, here is an on-board: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeE2Z7Dx4LQ&feature=emb\_title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeE2Z7Dx4LQ&feature=emb_title) To get the Michelin tyres to work properly, Alonso would purposely cause the front tyres to lose grip on corner entry and make the car understeer, with a high amount of slip angle. After the tyres reached the apex, Alonso would remove the steering angle and accelerate out of the corner (using the Renaults v good rear to accelerate his way out of the corner). He essentially heated up the tyres, improved the grip and made the tyres work harder in the first part of the corner (during this era tyres were a lot more durable, and designed to last for the entire race). When Alonso moved to Mclaren, he moved to Bridgestones - which would have taken him time to adapt to - Lewis was already driving with Bridgestones in GP2. They were teammates in 2007 (not 2008) and finished the season level on points. There are rumours that a less than positive environment in Mclaren had effects on his performance - but to be honest, I think the main factor was him just getting used to the characteristics of the Bridgestones.


>There are rumours that a less than positive environment in Mclaren had effects on his performance I don't think we'll ever know for sure what happened. I think a lot of McLaren's internal dramas were exaggerated by the press who were looking to stir things up -- in particular, by linking the Alonso-Hamilton rivalry to the spygate fiasco. I assume most of those journalists are working for Netflix now.


He also had some issues with the brakes on the McLaren. He got his preferred brakes fitted at the British GP which he then used for the rest of the season.


Wery well said, both Kimi and Alonso developed specific driving styles around Michelins and thus were struggling on Bridgestones in 2007. This has to be well accepted truth, both for some reasons it's still mostly unpopular opinion


> There are rumours that a less than positive environment in Mclaren had effects on his performance Yeah trying to blackmail your team can have that effect on your relationship with them.


What a clean and pure team McLaren by itself was.