Ok hear me out, $200 on Max to win at -260 pays $76… $25 on Alonso at +950 pays $237, $25 on Leclerc at +3000 pays $750 and $25 on Sainz at +4300 pays $1100. If Max wins it cancels out the long shot bets and I break even, if any of the 3 long shots hit the payouts are 🤌🤌 Replace the long shots with whoever you want and the same idea applies, those are just the 3 I like

This is basically matched betting, I used to do this quite a bit with football before I got banned from the main online bookies 😂 The key is to take advantage of offers on different websites, can be a nice little low key earner

I mean you’re losing money if Alonso wins no?

Oh balls you’re right. Gotta make a lil adjustment and bump up the bet on Max… I worked that out smoking weed in the garage

It’s a lot of effort to try and walk away with a $1 return haha. If you accept that you’ll likely lose $200+ with the long shot bets, I’d just put the $200 on max and take the ~ $75. Whatever math you come up with to “cheat” the system, the house has already calculated it. Place a bet to have a bit of fun knowing you’ve probably already lost; don’t bet to make money. It’s not worth the pain it’ll cause.

Not trying to cheat anything, just make rooting for the long shots a little more fun. I feel bad for anyone with a gambling problem that watches sports in the US… every other ad is meant to entice you to gamble. I use the sports book at a local casino where I actually go in to place bets so I can avoid having it at my fingertips at all times on my phone.

You're trying to bet against both yourself and the house though. At best you might break even, but keep in mind that (I'm not sure where you're from so it might or might not apply) a sort of gambling tax might apply (it might even depend on where you placed the bet). If a gambling tax applies upon winnings, your winnings can quickly become a net loss.

At best I stand to make $900, at worst im out $275, and the most likely outcome is I break even. There is no gambling tax here but I can write off losses.

Playing a prediction game where I need to list P1 until P10 and Fadtest Laps, suggestions?

Wait til FP3

Can’t, predictions need to be in 12 hours before Quali sessions starts

Fucking good luck! That pack is toit! Wonder if Alonso can mix it with Perez, will be fun

Have we named the turn 13 bump yet?

There was a young woman from Aston Martin in the F1TV pre-FP2 show who really held her own during the segment. She was confident and really knew her stuff. Does anyone know who she is and her role is with the team?

It said she was their "driver Ambassador"

If it’s who I think it was, she’s like the PR person for AM

Didn‘t see it. But it was probably Jessica Hawkins.

I did see it, and yes it was.

[F1 Show - SkyF1- Spanish Grand Prix 2023](https://youtu.be/UA9DV5IFWw4)

Hopefully changing up the last corner does help passing, but I think the change will at least make things interesting

if checo doesn't finish p2, does it say more about him or about the other teams' development?

Max is the type of driver that could still probably win most weeks if it was a spec series, but checo is not. If he is struggling for podiums consistently going forward I think it means the other teams are catching up to at least the point where the car can’t do all the work for him

Checo has always been quite slow when he stars to overdrive cars. He needs to accept the fact that he is not quick enough to challenge Max consistently and just go about his work. He is not on Max's level but he wasn't/isn't this bad either. He used to be one of the best midfield drivers in the business before RB signed him.

Of he is losing confidence after the last races. It happened to him and Bottas before, they start well and once the teammate createa a significant gap they almost give up.

There were some races that suited checo well. We come into max territory now..

A bit of both imo, seeing as max is still taking p1. Either way it’s certainly not good for him lol

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Yeah we need a well timed pirouette to make it interesting.

Max will listen and do a noscope 360 recovered spin again.

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You forgot Gasly on you fighting for points list.

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You expecting a DNF or crappy qualifying? He’s been more consistent in the points this most drivers.

unless hes hiding pace, ham is gonna be lucky to make it to Q3

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yeah but he didnt even hold P1 or P2 in practice like hes done earlier this year for the max hopium. And i say this as a HAM fan, car back to looking slow and terrible. I think he'll be 6th as per usual in quali, race maybe as high as 4th? but kinda doubt

The odds were always slim that redesigning the floor, front suspension, and sidepods would end with them ahead of where they were prior to the concept change. I think if they hold their spot, it’s a success.

It is entirely possible (and my hope) that mercedes are looking so horrendous at Barcelona because they're using it's suitability as a testing track to get good data on the upgrades - such that even if it doesn't help them this as much weekend it's useful for them over the season

That really is some hopium :)

Yeah 😄, but I find it more likely than their aggregate position over the first 2 practice sessions of about 10th being representative of how they do in the race

Hey, seems the hopium worked! Hoping it's stays that way for you :) (Throw something Lando's way next race k?)

Haha cheers mate Was gutted to see how badly today went for the McLaren lads

I know I’m being a cynical bastard but I have a feeling these two were already engaged or married and blagged it for a free paddock pass lol.

Lewis "the car feels like the car" it's still a bucket of bolts

Lol stroll is so far down. I wonder who will last longer, Stroll or de Vries

His long run looked better. Not Alonso level good but was matching Lewis.

De Vries' dad doesn't own the team he's on, so..... My guess is Stroll will last longer.

Why rock the boat if things are going well? Stroll is beaten by Ferrari, Mercedes, and Red Bull drivers (in the standings). And of course by his team mate, a two-time world champion. The best drivers are not going to move to Astin Martin (not yet, anyway) and Stroll broke two of his wrists not that long ago, so he can improve. Is anybody who is not driving for Ferrari, Mercedes, and Red Bull going to make a massive difference?

There's this guy named Ricciardo who might be an improvement. It wont happen bc of the father situation, but your idea that no great driver is available or would move to AMR is hilarious and insane when there's a top tier driver not racing this year and just vibing on the Red Bull bench

They can't compete for a Constructors with Stroll. I like him, but he's not got the quality needed to contribute points consistently, nor is there much room left for him to improve.

They couldn't care less about competing for the WCC, they have enough money. Even better, the lower they finish, the more wind tunnel time they are going to have for 2024. This is the idea thing for them: a great car, a driver that can take it to the podium consistently and other driver a bit bad that will give them a 10-15% more wind tunnel than what they will have with a second driver as good as Alonso. Nobody is looking at where Aston is sitting, everybody is looking at Alonso fighting for P2 in the WDC and all the exposure he is having this year.

Ok sign nissany for AM to replace stroll 5th in WCC with 0 pt nissany, but alonso WDC champ Ezpz

Of course the WCC is a team goal. It's one of only two meaningful titles a team can win. No one is looking at Aston this year, but neither is anyone looking at Alonso this year for WDC. The point remains: if they want to win the WDC then they need a better car; if they want to win the WCC then they need a better car and a better second driver.

But I am talking about this year. They can't fight for the WDC or WCC, so the lower they finish in the standings due to a bad driver, the better, more wind tunnel time. Next year they can look for a better second driver if the car can fight for P1 in the standings.

Ok, but the rest is aren't talking about this year. That should be a given since there's no way Stroll is losing his seat midseason, and this whole subthread is about replacing him.

They are, the thread O answer talked about if they would fire Stroll or Devries first.

Thank god he didn’t break his third or fourth wrist

Uhmm, Norris would, also Gasly, Ocon, Vettel, Bottas, Yuki, maybe even Albon, Zhou, Piastri or gulp Drugovich or Ricciardo. But it doesn’t matter, even Aston ends up P3 or even P4, papa Stroll won’t care. And they won’t be P4, Ferrari strategist will see to that.

You know, Stroll did alright in the race. He's not as good as Alonso, that is a given, but he had a decent weekend.

Vettel has retired from F1. Yuki is unlikely to switch to a team with a Mercedes engine. Piastri needs a bit more experience, he's not doing great. The Alpine drivers might be an option, maybe Bottas, but I can't see him making that move until Alonso leaves. Let's not forget that Lance Stroll is 24, he still has time to improve.

>Vettel has retired from F1. So does Alonso, or Schumacher. And the question was: Is anybody who is not driving for Ferrari, Mercedes, and Red Bull going to make a massive difference? Question has nothing about, how likely somebody would sign. It is about how likely somebody would be doing better! >Yuki is unlikely to switch to a team with a Mercedes engine. Still the question was, who would make a massive difference. >Piastri needs a bit more experience, he's not doing great. Fair, Piastri a maybe in my book, that is what I wrote in my comment. >The Alpine drivers might be an option, maybe Bottas, but I can't see him making that move until Alonso leaves. Why wouldn't they want to move to a TOP4 team? But this was not your question. >Let's not forget that Lance Stroll is 24, he still has time to improve. Let's not forget that Mazepin is only 24 aswell, he has still time to improve. Again. NOTHING to do with your question, so your counterargument does not make sense. Stroll won't drop his son for the next 10 years, even if they lose a WCC fight over it.

The question should be: can Aston Martin can replace him with somebody who is going to be much more successful. Otherwise we might suggest Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, or Charles Leclerc. Perhaps you misunderstood my original argument. Aston Martin is doing well, there is no reason to replace Lance Stroll, in part because they cannot replace him with somebody who is likely to get much better results. Last season Lance Stroll had 18 points, Sebastian Vettel had 37 points. The season before that it was 34 vs 43. Really not that bad for a second driver. Aston Martin should focus on keeping Alonso happy.

>The question should be: can Aston Martin can replace him with somebody who is going to be much more successful. > >Otherwise we might suggest Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, or Charles Leclerc. You specified that no Ferrari, Merc or RB. If you wanted to ask that, he should've phrashed it that way. >Aston Martin is doing well, there is no reason to replace Lance Stroll, in part because they cannot replace him with somebody who is likely to get much better results. Hard disagree. If he wouldn't be Stroll's own son, Hülkenberg, Bottas or Ricciardo would be sitting in that seat soon, because Stroll is abysmal for years now. He has sometimes a good rain race, he is awesome in the rain, but that is about it. Imagine if in Monaco to Aston could strategize against Max. Now you don't have to choose between medium or inters, you can try both and one of your driver could get the win. That would keep Alonso happy much more I reckon. Fernando is savvy, he won't go against the owner's son, and say but things about Lance, but he ain't happy, that he is alone fighting Mercs, Ferraris and RBs. Point difference last year between would be much more bigger, if they are at the top of the grid. If Stroll makes 6th paces instead of 10ths, then Vettel makes 3rd places instead of 7ths, and the point difference will be about the same as just now. Alonso is much more consistent on delivering podiums than Vettel, he always was. Even in 2005-06 he was great at maximizing.

**You specified that no Ferrari, Merc or RB.** No, I did not specified that :-) I'm just being realistic. Currently Aston Martin is doing great, but Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull are big teams that are likely to win many races and a few world titles in the next 15 years. Any driver that has a secure position in those teams is likely reluctant to leave for Aston Martin. Yes, Ferrari is struggling, but most drivers want to drive for Ferrari. And the team will make a comeback. Mercedes is also going to make a comeback. And it's easy to forget, but Ricciardo has really struggled. There is no guarantee that he is going to be much better but he definitely is going to be far more expensive. Last year Lando Norris had 122 points, Ricciardo had 37 points... Obviously Ricciardo is more talented than Stroll, but that doesn't always translate into significantly more points. I agree with you on Bottas, that might work. But again, I'm not entirely sure if Bottas wants to move and compete against Alonso. As for Alonso, I'm sure he doesn't care one bit about the owner's son. He doesn't need the money and in his current form he can drive for other teams. Aston Martin needs Alonso more than Alonso needs Aston Martin.

Piastri has been doing fine what are you talking about

If that is a sacrifice we need to take for Alonso WDC, Im up for it.

Stroll's father owns the team so...

By now, any sane team owner will realise the potential of 2 good drivers in that car. I won’t be surprised if there already are whispers in the background. Constructors money and exposure money speaks to Daddy Stroll’s financial partners thou.

But comparing his position to Devries? That's a hot take if ever there was

He LITERALLY got into the team to realize his Son's dream. Lance isn't going anywhere until Lance wants to. I highly doubt any partner has enough of a percentage to go rogue, actually I bet all the partners together pooling their voting/percentages still would only be 49% (or less), he's not stupid enough to allow the possibility of losing control. And Lance isn't that bad, he was improving until he broke his wrists.

Honestly it's kind of nice to see. I know the headline is "billionaire buys son f1 team" but at the end of the day Lawrence loves racing and gets to run the team, Lance gets to drive a F1 car half the weekends of the year, and father and son can spend time with each other which gets difficult regardless of how much money you have. Plus like others have mentioned this seems like a pretty ideal situation with how dominant red bull is. 1 driver puts it on the podium regularly to keep attention on the team while the other bounces around the middle of the pack. They'll end up with more aero time to be able to close the gap to Red Bull.

I feel the same way, I did Karting when I was younger until eventually we got priced out when the oil crash hit the major oil areas of the US in the 80's. No doubt in my mind if my Dad had that same money and the opportunity, he would have done the same for me. Plus people don't understand how important spending time with your mother and father are, until they are gone. As you said not only are they spending time but its spending time doing something they both think is awesome. For me and my Dad after racing it was firearms, not hunting just target shooting, many a good memory from those times.

Exactly. The way I see it, even if the AM becomes the best car on the grid, I’d expect it more likely that Alonso is the one to get dropped just so Lance gets a chance to be WDC haha

Surely it costs less to have stroll drive for his team rather than pay another team to let stroll drive for them? It's essentially stroll giving money to stroll right now so it seems ok to stay (assuming he's happy paying him....) He could just reduce his salary next renewal if he still is performing subpar. Stroll is usually acceptable, he's having a mare in the last few races though and if it continues then yeah it's not good.

I think he's got the pace to close the gap to Alonso, but we don't know the condition of his wrists or what else may be going on. He's had flashes of greatness from time to time.

Does Crofty have any racing education? "BUT I WANT TO SEE RACING AND NOT TYRE SAVING". What a tool.

….do you have any racing education? Who wants to watch teams manage their tires or manage fuel? I want everyone full send.

You must be the tool to not understand the intentions behind his statement

What a shit take.

What's your point?

Are you 12 ?

Are you?

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Not the guy criticizing crofty when it was obviously a joke 😂 you must be fun at parties

Love seeing Ocon’s character development

It's so cute he said Estie Bestie because he wanted to credit all the positive fan attention. Esteban hasn't exactly had a huge amount of support through his career it's nice to see he feels that now from people.

He was so hyped and excited at Monaco for a podium and it was awesome to see. He has talent and while he was slightly edged overall he was able to keep pace and challenge Alonso at Alpine. He's sort of been the quiet guy at the same party as most other drivers get a lot of attention for one reason or another. The interview he did with the P1 podcast a couple weeks ago was really cool, he seems like a nice guy and I hope to see him continue to put the car out front and improve Glad to see Estie Bestie getting some love.

Not sure what was better, that 2011 start, or the sounds 😋

Agreed. And how much steering wheel work was going on!

D.C. should be facing the camera head on.

That's too much chin for us to handle.

Bit worried about our man Crofty. The tshirt is struggling.

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Anyone else watching f1 show now? It's on espn3/espn app

Anyone knows who Will Buxton was talking with just now?

Marta García F1 Academy driver Edit: Just remembered I paused for a bit so I'm delayed and he could be talking to someone else. LOL

Thank you

TBH, as a fan of Kmag, I’m afraid of for his future in Haas. Looks like Hulk is beating him by a mile ever since the season started (except in Melbourne). I know it’s just an FP session…but still.

I wouldn't put his seat in any immediate danger after only a relative few races. Hulk has definitely put on a show in the same car, and really hoping we see him on a podium this season. But I don't think they'd drop him like that again.

Dude IS an amazing driver, maybe just F1 doesn't fit his style, he was a beast in GT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4

Wrong Mag my guy, that's his father Jan

Shit you're right, that was his last year right?

It was, absolute ledge

It's not looked good for him at all, I also believe his future is in doubt. Let's be honest they needed someone immediately due to mazaspin and as kmag had only recently left it made sense to try and get him back as he would require the least amount of adjusting. It's been awhile now and his performance seemed to have peaked when he joined, it's not got better, hulk is really showing a big difference which is quite bad considering hulk is seen as a solid midfielder and that's about it in terms of f1. He needs to seriously find some pace or surely the good will of sacking him last time will run out.

Hulkenberg is unfairly seen as a midfielder though. He never really had opportunities in a fast car. And if you look at what he did as a reserve for Racing Point, it's obvious he is a very fast driver who just never had a chance due to politics/team seat availability. I mean, at Silverstone 2020 he literally out qualified Max Verstappen in the pink Mercedes. Sure, it was the pink Mercedes, but for someone who only raced like once that season for F1, that was impressive. He would've finished 4th if it weren't for tyre deg. He had another brilliant race that season when he sat in for Stroll. I think people make judgments based on how he did against DR at Renault but that was during DR's peak and DR was better than a LOT of people during his peak.

Maybe it's unfair, I do agree he hasn't had the chance of a very fast car however he has binned some great opportunities. He is a very good midfielder driver he delivers reliably, I don't think he's a level like the top guys but he is easily able to compete, I just don't see him at the likes of Norris, Alonso, max etc.

I wonder what Hulk did to make such a massive difference between him and Magnussen. Either way, it probably won’t matter come tomorrow.

Any place I can read the heavy fuel levels times?

someone usually posts a spreadsheet eventually

It's time for DRUGO!

Stroll really needs a confidence boost 😥

I know eh, huge pace difference with Nando

Poor guy...

Marta!

still bizarre to see a haas so far up there in practice, this has been a weird day overall. i feel like i have no real clue where anyone is except max.

I’m so confused about this, every race weekend there are backmarker teams doing well in the session standings during practice, and every qualifying the pecking order is restored. The practice times are never representative of actual pace, neither over one lap or in race conditions. If you’re looking at best laptimes in practice you’re looking at the wrong things. There is always more time to find for quali and it never means anything that a Haas/AT/Williams end up top 3.

Of course. Max is in the sim rig.

Hulk is gonna win the WDC all aboard the hulk hype train!!!!!

Quali is going to be crazy. From p2 downwards it's anyone's game.

Not at all. There is of course the chance of a random mega lap but it will roughly be RB, Ferrari/Aston, Merc/Alpine, Mclaren, Haas/AT, Alfa/Williams. P2 is in no way anyones game, it’s going to be Alonso, Perez or Charles. Maybe Sainz. The biggest thing to look out for this weekend will be how much Alpine improved and if Merc in fact is worse now compared to its rivals. RB will still not be under threat, and the backmarkers will stay in the back.

Redbull is not dominant at all lmao

Sure grandma, let's get you back to bed.

1 tenth difference

Brother

It FP. And even Quali isn't the end all. Let's wait for the Race. Even if they aren't dominant over one lap, race pace is what matters most.

they set the car up for the race, not quali. it's been a theme this whole season. i also don't think max ever fully pushed tbh.

Looked like I saw him push in sector 3 in last weeks in quali

LOL

Max is winning. No doubt about that. Race sims sort of indicate that Checo is gonna be fighting pretty much everyone else for P2. Himself, both Ferraris, Alonso and even Ocon where doing similar lap times.

The himself was a little brutal 😭

I’m just tired of this motherfucker not getting the job done man.

He was hired to be Max's second, he is doing his job. He's been a good solider

Idk i think this year has been his best year so far, except for monaco ofc. Every teammate Max has had over the years was on avg 3 tenths down on him. Max is just in a league of his own there is no shame in that

It's been his best year because the circuits driven were mostly street circuits, their layout doesn't allow for max to drive his normal style which cuts an advantage of his pace. If it was all street circuits then sure perez would actually have a chance but even when he's quick he can make such silly errors, binning it in q1 at Monaco is just terrible. Max is fast and consistent, thats a deadly combo whereas Perez can be fast but is inconsistent. He has basically fleeting moments of greatness but all the other times his a solid midfield driver.

Spot on!

He's really not. The car is quick enough for any half decent driver to be well clear of the chasing pack. I understand that matching Max in the same car is a tall order for anyone but he should be well clear of the rest.

You're right, at least he's not in Max's way and he brings Mexican sponsorship. That's enough for Redbull right now

This is exactly the issue I have with him right now. He should be closer to max and far ahead of everyone else. If max DNFs it should be an easy pole and win for checo but right now he’s gonna be lucky to qualify top 3 and end up in the podium.

Right now he’s not even doing that. Alonso, the Ferraris and even Ocon had what looks like faster race sims.

Practice times NEVER matter. Honestly unless Checo is saying he's not comfortable with the setup today/tomorrow, then he should be just fine.

Checo needs to find time, Ferraris need to find strategy..so it's Alonso versus Ocon for P2!!

Himself 💀

Nico: "Hello there."

Hopefully they sort out the film direction for quali and sunday

Hulk podiummmmmm

Is it just me or does Merc look like it’s porpusing worse than before

I only saw Ferrari actually porpoising on the run down to T10.

[Andrew Shovlin talks about new upgrades and performance - Spanish Grand Prix 2023](https://youtu.be/Z0q0wMW5gfY)

Daddy Stroll is going to have to watch his son cost them #2 in the Constructor's Title. This gap reminds me of the gaps between me and my rookie teammate in the F1 VIDEO GAME!

Max doesn't even has to push RB too strong

#HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULK PODIUM ^(In fp2)

Damn stroll was super slow... Was that intentional from AM. Also rip Williams.

He didn't do any new tyre push laps for ages. Was on higher fuel and used tyres for a lot of the session

Merc race pace pretty good. Might be just the fuel loads though.

I was watching the timing charts (just eyeballing) they were behind Red Bull, Aston Martin, Ferrari, and equal on pace with Alpine. Do you have access to the timing charts?

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She's going to take off with the velocity in that flag wave.

Ocon is consistently 2 3 tenths faster than gasly. I wonder just how good that 2021 AT really was

On one lap. Gasly is better in races

Bro AT is the only thing Gasly drove, except for RB that little bit. Ocon drove Alpine for quite longer time. Im not saying every year the car is the same, but it has certain characteristics throughout the years. Give him a little more time, it's only been 6 races

Also remember how even Max didn't beat Ricciardo easy in qualifying during the beginning years? The first important thing is that Gasly having a close race pace against Ocon and doing a proper job as a second driver.

Max was 18. Gasly is in his 5th year? 6th? He's had enough seat time he should be catching up even Nyck Devries has pulled himself together enough to pace up

There is still a big difference between Yuki and Nyck and if Yuki didn't get AlphaTauri'ed at Monaco we wouldn't even say that Nyck has stepped up.

No their pace is starting to match today. Definitely not in the wet in Monaco,Yuki had him

I mean Gasly never really had a good enough teammate to compare him to except Verstappen who almost ended his career. And now ocon is faster than him so far as well

I think Ocon is bloody fast though. He kept Alonso pretty honest didn't he? Though I remember Alonso having loads of reliability issues. Still he seems to be driving pretty well this year.

He's just consistently slightly above average, with flashes of brilliance. Not a bad driver at all, but his on track shenanigans against team mates are really bone headed.

yeah he is. In 2017, everyone thought he was destined to be a mercedes driver. its unfortunate that he had coming togethers with alonso and max, two drivers with the biggest fanbases and so he gets a lot of unnecessary hate

I'd say Gasly and Ocon have been pretty equal. Yeah, Ocon had a great result in Monaco, but that's just one weekend and not enough to extrapolate with, plus Monaco is really unique on the calendar. They've both beaten the other twice this season in races where both cars finished. Ocon has beaten Gasly 4-2 in quali, but that's hardly definitive. It's so early in the season. Let's see how it looks by the end of the season. I was predicting that they'd be pretty evenly matched, and I think that's been the case so far.

Now there's a great flag wave!

The Ferrari seems to be eating the tyres lot less looking at Charles lap times

Sainz seemed stronger..maybe there's hope..Charles is much slower than Max btw!

Probably because Sainz had an extra session with the new configuration. Max is on another planet. But someone here was saying he’s using DRS.

He was for a bit and then turned it off

Ferrari race pace looks decent for once. Now not sure on fuel loads…

Commentators on F1TV mentioned Ferrari was running 45kg heavier than the RB

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Simply stating what was said.

Excellent, so it's time for a new, mindblowing strategy masterclass. Hype!

It doesn't matter if your teammate is Max, Alonso or Gasly. You have to be quicker than your teammate somewhere. No excused for that

It was hilarious hearing about that Japanese driver on where he was faster than Senna. “He was faster than me, every corner, every lap etc,” Aryton didn’t give him a single win, brutal honesty