I thought nascar was much bigger than F1 in America. By the looks of the crowd at COTA, there isn’t much interest. Is this because it’s not an oval? F1 had over 400,000 people through the gates over the weekend last year. It looks like there are multiple empty or sparsely populated grandstands today. What’s the deal?
There are 39 NASCAR races this year compared to only 3 F1 races, of which only 1 is really accessible to the majority of fans.
This race is really going to attract NASCAR fans from Texas, fans from other states will probably have another closer race to go to instead. In fact, even within Texas there's another race in Dallas.
The US GP will attract F1 fans from pretty much the whole country so of course it's going to be better attended.
F1 had 400,000 people because it was 1 of 2 events in the country, how many of them NASCAR has? Surely a dude from New York won't be flying to Texas for a NASCAR race
I’ve noticed some venues have different colored seats all mixed together so that on tv wide shots they look like people with different colored shirts are sitting there.
Disclaimer ahead of this post: I know crashes can be dangerous and I tend to take them very seriously when watching live as like most of you, I'm most concerned about safety of the driver.
I'm watching through the 2011 season right now and am at Monza. It had one of the most bizarre, boneheaded, and dare I say funniest turn 1 accidents I've seen. Liuzzi didn't appear to understand that driving on the grass on high RPMs is a bad idea and slid sideways hilariously into 2 cars at the chicane.
Does anyone else have other bizarre turn 1 incidents like this that they can think of?
Hi everyone, my girlfriend and I are planning to go to Suzuka during our Japan trip. We were wondering if it is worth going on the Saturday as well and not only on race day. Any experiences?
Hello everyone. Many years ago, I would say somewhere around the early to mid-90s, a coworker, who was a big F1 fan, brought in a VHS of the race the day before that he taped and we were going to watch at lunch.
I remember some details from the ending, and wondering if that is enough for anyone to tell me what race it was.
The final lap or two, a white car, with red or maybe black lettering was in the lead. It was so far ahead, there was no question it was going to win. However I think almost within sight of the finish line, he ran out of gas.
Is that enough to figure out what race that was?
Nigel Mansell ran out of fuel on the last lap while leading in Canada in 1991 but his car would have been mostly blue and yellow. Red and white sounds more like the McLaren of that time.
This could very well have been it. I always assumed he brought in a tape of that weekend's race, but maybe it was an earlier one. Thanks for pointing this out to me!
Might be the 1986 German Grand Prix, where both Keke Rosberg, who started on pole, and Alain Prost ran out of fuel on the final lap; Prost was so close to the line that he tried to push his car across, ultimately unsuccessfully. Rosberg and Prost both drove for McLaren, who ran a white-and-red car with black lettering. The car appearance is right here, I think, and the cause of the retirement, but neither Rosberg nor Prost were in the lead, and it's a little early.
Another potential candidate is the 1991 Canadian Grand Prix, though the details are different. Nigel Mansell was definitely going to win in the Williams, a blue-and-yellow car with a white rear wing with red lettering. He was miles ahead, waving to fans, but let the engine revs drop too low and stalled. That has the obvious winner bit and the timeframe right, but not the fuel or car color.
The [2011 Bank of America 500](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_GZWSx4b9c) was very similar to what you're describing, down to the lead car being white with red and black lettering and running out of fuel on the last turn, but it's NASCAR not F1. Obviously that's too late to be what you're thinking of anyways, but I thought it was interesting that it was so similar.
1997 Hungarian Grand Prix? Damon Hill had a huge lead in an Arrows (which was white and blue with some red accents) until a hydraulic failure in the last few laps had him overtaken by Jacques Villeneuve at the end
After reading all the comments, I'm not sure if my memory is at all right. Regardless, thanks for letting me know about this race I enjoyed watching it!
Saudi 2023 question.
I was wondering about the track lap record. Haven’t it be cleared since the track has been rebulid? If not, what makes the track set to a new lap record. Changing the config for sure, but reshape a single corner impacts in lap time. What are the rules regarding that?
How is Max involved? Is he supposed to be held accountable for the actions of his partner's father? Piquet was fined by the Brazilian government, which wouldn't happen if he said something once. Again, not sure how Verstappen is involved in this case.
Sorry this may sound harsh, but I really can't wrap my head around your comment.
Piquet has been fined by a Brazilian court. Nothing to do with FIA. Even if it has something to do with FIA, Max is not his representative. And finally what is there to discuss?
FIA: Hey Max, did you hear that your girlfriend's dad got fined for racist remarks?
Max: yep
FIA: cool thanks for your time
It really isn't anything to do with Max, tbqh. It's not him doing it. That doesn't excuse Piquet *in any respect at all* but no governing body has reach into the potential father in law of any driver.
NASCAR driver Daniel Suarez is engaged to Nelson’s other daughter, would you like NASCAR to talk to him about this too as if he was involved in any way?
> race as one
marketing, especially with the increased limitations on driver speech & disappearing \#WeRace~~AsOne~~InSaudiArabia rainbow made of team colours.
the limitations on driver speech are coming from FIA. One might argue political neutrality narrative by FIA can also be the reason why FoM doesn't run that marketing as prominently anymore - over their own financial interests
No, he was wearing sunglasses and was pretty low key. Didn’t want to go up and cause a scene even though would’ve loved a pic! He was at the Emirates business class desk so I assume en route to Australia.
Kinda glad now that the Indian broadcast rights did not go to JioCinema and instead they decided to open F1TV in India.
Because Jiocinema got the MotoGP rights and they are showing ads mid race, so they probably would have shown ads mid race in F1 too.
I've just realised the gap between Australia and Baku is the same length as the summer break. Why? Was there a cancelled GP in between them (e.g. China)?
It won't change anything relevant - the TD only ensured if a car was proposing during FP sessions, they had to increase their rear ride height. This happened with data teams were mandated to provide to FIA through the TD.
The 2023 rule changes did basically the same by increasing the distance between the floor and ground and the porpoising at specific rate is now also part of the rules through a dedicated FIA sensor.
It's certainly possible but definitely not a guarantee.
Last week lots of people were predicting that Max would win every race and that's already failed.
Why was Charles Leclerc unsatisfied with Xavi's late informing about Hamilton's pit stop under safety car on team radio during Saudi Arabia 2023? What was the issue?
Leclerc would have been allowed to push hard when he passed the safety car line, as long as he didn't overtake the car ahead (Sainz). If he did this, he would have been further ahead on the track and Hamilton would have left the pits behind him. Instead, the call came too late and he lost the position to Hamilton.
Abu Dhabi 2021
When Lewis asks Bono, "is he right behind me, on new tyres", to which Bono says yes. But Max wasn't on new tyres, it was a used set of soft tyres. Did Bono give wrong information to Lewis, or it didn't matter, coz a used softs would be faster than used mediums.
100% Piastri will score this year. I can't see that McLaren fail to score any point, they've had horrendous luck so far which made them look worse than they are, but I think they're not that far from Alpine in clean air atm (just too draggy to race another car) and might take some steps forward after their upgrades
I think they'll be comfortably better than Haas, Williams and AlphaTauri at least by the end of the season. There will be three or four wet races and a street race where a bunch of dumb shit happens, a couple frontrunners will have engine failures, and they'll have chances to get into the points. If I had to put money on it I'd say Norris gets more, but Piastri finishes with between 1 and 10 points.
We’ve only had 2 races so far and McLaren have said from long before the season started that this isn’t the car they wanted to be racing with. I’d be surprised if they’re not regularly in the points.
It will depend. The Australian race is actually fairly cursed for Australian drivers, but both Mark and Daniel seemed to be allowed one great moment each.
Last year Goatifi scored points (was it Silverstone?), So yes Piastri will score too. My wild guess would be Monaco, coz Aussies are usually good at that track.
Interestingly, at least in f2 (the only time he’s driven there previously), piastri’s worst track was probably Monaco. It was a rare instance where he was just off the pace and couldn’t defend very effectively - probably the only weekend that year where I felt he made it out with more points than his performance justified
Quali - 4 hundredths off his teammate, a notoriously bad qualifier whom piastri soundly out qualified overthe season
Sprint 1 - started 8th on the grid, finished p8 despite lundgaard dnf and numerous safety cars bunching up the pack again which could’ve compensated for his pace. Was slower than his teammate when they were both running.
Sprint 2 - started 3rd on the grid behind Lawson and Armstrong, though effectively 2nd as armstrong the polesitter had a pitlane start due to reliability. Piastri got picked off by ticktum (who is very handy around street circuits) and finished p3, promoted to p2 after Lawson DSQ. I recall he looked like he would’ve been overtaken a couple more times if not for Monaco
Feature - I don’t remember his race as much because Theo stole the show. but I believe shwartzman in front of him got screwed by his pitstop and then piastri just could not catch pourchaire
Point is I think he’ll get some points but not at Monaco
Regardles of how good Piastri might be, Norris is still expected to beat a rookie, even if on consistency alone. But I wouldn't be too surprised if Piastri beats him or comes close tbh.
Besides there might be some volatility in points this season, considering top 8 look pretty much fixed already barring any incidents, maybe even top 10 depending on how MCLaren will compare against Alpine; one big result could be enough to get a siginificant points swing one way or the other regadless of their average performance over the season.
I’m remaining cautious about Piastri’s performance in Jeddah. Ricciardo looked to be closing Norris down at this point in the season last year, then something happened with Norris and the gap increased.
Pretty low - Lando has had a couple of bad weekends to start the year off, but I'm sure he'll bounce back. I'd be rooting for him to be there or thereabouts to Lando, and finishing ahead of him every now and then.
I tend to think the same. There is a lot of hype behind Piastri. I haven't followed the feeder series so I don't know if the hype matches reality. That's why I'm so into this pairing. IMO the most interesting duo.
So I just noticed that McLaren never posted an Unboxed for Saudi. Curious.
"Our car is a POS".
I thought nascar was much bigger than F1 in America. By the looks of the crowd at COTA, there isn’t much interest. Is this because it’s not an oval? F1 had over 400,000 people through the gates over the weekend last year. It looks like there are multiple empty or sparsely populated grandstands today. What’s the deal?
There are 39 NASCAR races this year compared to only 3 F1 races, of which only 1 is really accessible to the majority of fans. This race is really going to attract NASCAR fans from Texas, fans from other states will probably have another closer race to go to instead. In fact, even within Texas there's another race in Dallas. The US GP will attract F1 fans from pretty much the whole country so of course it's going to be better attended.
F1 had 400,000 people because it was 1 of 2 events in the country, how many of them NASCAR has? Surely a dude from New York won't be flying to Texas for a NASCAR race
I may be wrong about this but I thought nascar stands are generally packed for all races.
Looks pretty full on tv.
They might not be showing the half empty or totally vacant stands as much. That would be a bad look. Turn 12 looked baron.
I’ve noticed some venues have different colored seats all mixed together so that on tv wide shots they look like people with different colored shirts are sitting there.
If Gasly gets a race ban does Alpine get to field another driver or does the race ban include Alpine's car entry?
It's only Gasly. Doohan is their reserve.
Driver only
Disclaimer ahead of this post: I know crashes can be dangerous and I tend to take them very seriously when watching live as like most of you, I'm most concerned about safety of the driver. I'm watching through the 2011 season right now and am at Monza. It had one of the most bizarre, boneheaded, and dare I say funniest turn 1 accidents I've seen. Liuzzi didn't appear to understand that driving on the grass on high RPMs is a bad idea and slid sideways hilariously into 2 cars at the chicane. Does anyone else have other bizarre turn 1 incidents like this that they can think of?
Technically not at turn 1 but I don't think [this can be topped](https://youtu.be/EwR_HbiHYys?t=16)
[No heroics into Sainte Devote, please ](https://youtu.be/fPiq5K4bjKY)
Lol I've never seen that one, thanks for sharing.
I believe one of the f1 games has a chyron saying KEEP CALM AND NO HEROICS INTO SAINTE DEVOTE
Hi everyone, my girlfriend and I are planning to go to Suzuka during our Japan trip. We were wondering if it is worth going on the Saturday as well and not only on race day. Any experiences?
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Hello everyone. Many years ago, I would say somewhere around the early to mid-90s, a coworker, who was a big F1 fan, brought in a VHS of the race the day before that he taped and we were going to watch at lunch. I remember some details from the ending, and wondering if that is enough for anyone to tell me what race it was. The final lap or two, a white car, with red or maybe black lettering was in the lead. It was so far ahead, there was no question it was going to win. However I think almost within sight of the finish line, he ran out of gas. Is that enough to figure out what race that was?
Nigel Mansell ran out of fuel on the last lap while leading in Canada in 1991 but his car would have been mostly blue and yellow. Red and white sounds more like the McLaren of that time.
This could very well have been it. I always assumed he brought in a tape of that weekend's race, but maybe it was an earlier one. Thanks for pointing this out to me!
I can't recall any leaders running out of fuel on the final lap in the 90s. Are you sure they ran out of fuel and didn't have some other issue?
I wish I could. It's fragmented memories at best, but I always have remembered it was a fuel issue.
Might be the 1986 German Grand Prix, where both Keke Rosberg, who started on pole, and Alain Prost ran out of fuel on the final lap; Prost was so close to the line that he tried to push his car across, ultimately unsuccessfully. Rosberg and Prost both drove for McLaren, who ran a white-and-red car with black lettering. The car appearance is right here, I think, and the cause of the retirement, but neither Rosberg nor Prost were in the lead, and it's a little early. Another potential candidate is the 1991 Canadian Grand Prix, though the details are different. Nigel Mansell was definitely going to win in the Williams, a blue-and-yellow car with a white rear wing with red lettering. He was miles ahead, waving to fans, but let the engine revs drop too low and stalled. That has the obvious winner bit and the timeframe right, but not the fuel or car color.
Thanks for this. I watched the Canadian on the recommendation of another comment, and I think that might be it.
The [2011 Bank of America 500](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_GZWSx4b9c) was very similar to what you're describing, down to the lead car being white with red and black lettering and running out of fuel on the last turn, but it's NASCAR not F1. Obviously that's too late to be what you're thinking of anyways, but I thought it was interesting that it was so similar.
1997 Hungarian Grand Prix? Damon Hill had a huge lead in an Arrows (which was white and blue with some red accents) until a hydraulic failure in the last few laps had him overtaken by Jacques Villeneuve at the end
After reading all the comments, I'm not sure if my memory is at all right. Regardless, thanks for letting me know about this race I enjoyed watching it!
Saudi 2023 question. I was wondering about the track lap record. Haven’t it be cleared since the track has been rebulid? If not, what makes the track set to a new lap record. Changing the config for sure, but reshape a single corner impacts in lap time. What are the rules regarding that?
I think it might be related to track lenght, if a change or reshape influences the track lenght then the record categories split
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What do you mean? Max isn't some little kid. He doesn't need a lecture from the FIA about why racism is bad.
How is Max involved? Is he supposed to be held accountable for the actions of his partner's father? Piquet was fined by the Brazilian government, which wouldn't happen if he said something once. Again, not sure how Verstappen is involved in this case.
> Isnt it time for FIA to discuss with Max why this happened? Why?
Sorry this may sound harsh, but I really can't wrap my head around your comment. Piquet has been fined by a Brazilian court. Nothing to do with FIA. Even if it has something to do with FIA, Max is not his representative. And finally what is there to discuss? FIA: Hey Max, did you hear that your girlfriend's dad got fined for racist remarks? Max: yep FIA: cool thanks for your time
It really isn't anything to do with Max, tbqh. It's not him doing it. That doesn't excuse Piquet *in any respect at all* but no governing body has reach into the potential father in law of any driver.
He’s not just any driver. And they “race as one” for what exactly?
NASCAR driver Daniel Suarez is engaged to Nelson’s other daughter, would you like NASCAR to talk to him about this too as if he was involved in any way?
> race as one marketing, especially with the increased limitations on driver speech & disappearing \#WeRace~~AsOne~~InSaudiArabia rainbow made of team colours.
And it was put in place by Liberty / FOM as well, not the FIA.
the limitations on driver speech are coming from FIA. One might argue political neutrality narrative by FIA can also be the reason why FoM doesn't run that marketing as prominently anymore - over their own financial interests
Just saw George Russell walking through Nice airport, I’m shook
Nicee! Did you meet him?
No, he was wearing sunglasses and was pretty low key. Didn’t want to go up and cause a scene even though would’ve loved a pic! He was at the Emirates business class desk so I assume en route to Australia.
Well lucky you I guess
Kinda glad now that the Indian broadcast rights did not go to JioCinema and instead they decided to open F1TV in India. Because Jiocinema got the MotoGP rights and they are showing ads mid race, so they probably would have shown ads mid race in F1 too.
I've just realised the gap between Australia and Baku is the same length as the summer break. Why? Was there a cancelled GP in between them (e.g. China)?
Yes , the chines GP was scheduled in between Australia and Baku
Ah right thanks
With TD39 apparently being repealed, is this likely to change anything performance wise for any of the big teams?
It won't change anything relevant - the TD only ensured if a car was proposing during FP sessions, they had to increase their rear ride height. This happened with data teams were mandated to provide to FIA through the TD. The 2023 rule changes did basically the same by increasing the distance between the floor and ground and the porpoising at specific rate is now also part of the rules through a dedicated FIA sensor.
Will Max beat his own record of wins in a single season this year? How many he will get? 16, 18?
It's certainly possible but definitely not a guarantee. Last week lots of people were predicting that Max would win every race and that's already failed.
Impossible to say. Right now he's on track for a 20 win season IMO but some of it may come down to reliability.
Why was Charles Leclerc unsatisfied with Xavi's late informing about Hamilton's pit stop under safety car on team radio during Saudi Arabia 2023? What was the issue?
Leclerc would have been allowed to push hard when he passed the safety car line, as long as he didn't overtake the car ahead (Sainz). If he did this, he would have been further ahead on the track and Hamilton would have left the pits behind him. Instead, the call came too late and he lost the position to Hamilton.
But was Charles able to close the gap to Carlos considering the speed limitation under the safety car?
Abu Dhabi 2021 When Lewis asks Bono, "is he right behind me, on new tyres", to which Bono says yes. But Max wasn't on new tyres, it was a used set of soft tyres. Did Bono give wrong information to Lewis, or it didn't matter, coz a used softs would be faster than used mediums.
They were still a new set of tyres in the context of the race. He was basically saying that Max had changed tyres and was still right behind him.
They were new(er) softs; with literally 1-2 laps left they would be a drastic improvement to Lewis' much older tyres.
It didn't matter, for all practical reasons they were new tyres.
It's still much newer tyres. Lewis meant if Max still has old hards or if he pitted.
What are the odds Piastri will score points? Or will McClaren get none?
100% Piastri will score this year. I can't see that McLaren fail to score any point, they've had horrendous luck so far which made them look worse than they are, but I think they're not that far from Alpine in clean air atm (just too draggy to race another car) and might take some steps forward after their upgrades
I think they'll be comfortably better than Haas, Williams and AlphaTauri at least by the end of the season. There will be three or four wet races and a street race where a bunch of dumb shit happens, a couple frontrunners will have engine failures, and they'll have chances to get into the points. If I had to put money on it I'd say Norris gets more, but Piastri finishes with between 1 and 10 points.
We’ve only had 2 races so far and McLaren have said from long before the season started that this isn’t the car they wanted to be racing with. I’d be surprised if they’re not regularly in the points.
Probably gonna have to wait a few months, but then again he made Q3 in Saudi Arabia so who knows.
It will depend. The Australian race is actually fairly cursed for Australian drivers, but both Mark and Daniel seemed to be allowed one great moment each.
It was very funny how Webber’s fortune at his home race was restored once Ricciardo was on the grid too
Last year Goatifi scored points (was it Silverstone?), So yes Piastri will score too. My wild guess would be Monaco, coz Aussies are usually good at that track.
Interestingly, at least in f2 (the only time he’s driven there previously), piastri’s worst track was probably Monaco. It was a rare instance where he was just off the pace and couldn’t defend very effectively - probably the only weekend that year where I felt he made it out with more points than his performance justified Quali - 4 hundredths off his teammate, a notoriously bad qualifier whom piastri soundly out qualified overthe season Sprint 1 - started 8th on the grid, finished p8 despite lundgaard dnf and numerous safety cars bunching up the pack again which could’ve compensated for his pace. Was slower than his teammate when they were both running. Sprint 2 - started 3rd on the grid behind Lawson and Armstrong, though effectively 2nd as armstrong the polesitter had a pitlane start due to reliability. Piastri got picked off by ticktum (who is very handy around street circuits) and finished p3, promoted to p2 after Lawson DSQ. I recall he looked like he would’ve been overtaken a couple more times if not for Monaco Feature - I don’t remember his race as much because Theo stole the show. but I believe shwartzman in front of him got screwed by his pitstop and then piastri just could not catch pourchaire Point is I think he’ll get some points but not at Monaco
Ah that's very interesting, i don't follow F2, but this is insightful. Let's wait and see.
Nah they'll score points - we're only two races in after all.
Honestly pretty likely, the season is long and they aren't as bad as the alrready held races shown
What are the odd he will beat Norris this year?
Regardles of how good Piastri might be, Norris is still expected to beat a rookie, even if on consistency alone. But I wouldn't be too surprised if Piastri beats him or comes close tbh. Besides there might be some volatility in points this season, considering top 8 look pretty much fixed already barring any incidents, maybe even top 10 depending on how MCLaren will compare against Alpine; one big result could be enough to get a siginificant points swing one way or the other regadless of their average performance over the season.
I’m remaining cautious about Piastri’s performance in Jeddah. Ricciardo looked to be closing Norris down at this point in the season last year, then something happened with Norris and the gap increased.
Pretty low - Lando has had a couple of bad weekends to start the year off, but I'm sure he'll bounce back. I'd be rooting for him to be there or thereabouts to Lando, and finishing ahead of him every now and then.
I tend to think the same. There is a lot of hype behind Piastri. I haven't followed the feeder series so I don't know if the hype matches reality. That's why I'm so into this pairing. IMO the most interesting duo.
I'd say its pretty low.
Those two are diametrically opposed 😂