This was a new thing introduced last year (I believe). There's an early quali, and then a short race - about 1/3 of the normal race distance, that is called the Sprint. There are a few points offered for the top finishers - but more importantly - the finishing result of the sprint race determines the starting order for the actual race.
Honestly the races from the 2012 season aren't great _unless you watch the full season_. The individual races often are pretty mediocre. 2010 is the same way. As a season, where you get to see the story develop over the full course of a year, it's incredible. But if you just sit down to watch, like, the 2012 Japanese Grand Prix it's not that interesting, unless you're really into watching Michael Schumacher fail to pass a young Daniel Ricciardo for 20 laps. The best race of that era is the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix, though be prepared to do some fast-forwarding. If you want to watch a race from 2012 specifically, Brazil is the best, probably followed by Spa. But really I'd just watch the whole season, or the season review.
Some races that come up frequently when this question is asked include '99 European, Spain 1996, France 2004, Brazil 2008, Japan 2005, Monza 2008, Germany 2009, Monaco 1982 and England 1987.
If you have F1TV and don't already know the story, run don't walk to the 1982 Monaco GP.
Is there a sub for Formula 1 gossip about who drivers are dating. Or who has fallen out with who in the paddock. I feel that kind of thing, might be a twitter thing.
So here's a game for F1 Fans as a bit of fun, (Hopefully) Here are the rules to this game.
Pick 10-12 Teams/Constuctors from a specific decade, you can pick any one from the 50s onwards but try and keep it within the similar sort of era as the cars are obviously drastically different.
The twist is that the drivers you choose cannot be a world champion to be the driver of any team which automatically disqualifies the likes of,
Schumacher/Senna/Prost/Clark/Stewart/Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso and etc.
This is to ensure that there will be a new drivers champion crowned, However you can use Grand Prix winners as well as championship winning constructors,
Ferrari/Mercedes/Williams/Mclaren/Lotus/Benneton and etc.
You must also try and pick different driver pairings than any actual real life driver pairing, for e.g you cannot use Montoya and Ralf Schumacher in a BMW Williams to challange a Ferrari, you can only pick one or the other. This is to get people thinking and to encourage more creativity with their pairings.
You can also pick any Grand Prix circuit you want in your fantasy season!
Which circuits will you choose, how many will take place in your season, who will win and take podiums in those grand prix's and which driver or constructor ultimately comes out on top as your World Champion?
So F1 sold a series of mugs with team radio quotes printed on them, one of them was "No Michael No" by Toto. Obviously that one got a lot of attention, but Scarbs saw some humour in it so he bought it and tweeted a picture of the mug in his possession and captioned it "So how do you guys start your day?" His replies were flooded with stuff like "so you support the farcical season", "you are a fan of corruption?" blablabla so he probably deleted it to keep his follower count up.
Personally, I thought AD21 was terribly mishandled, and the mug doesn't reflect well on the sport. But people should be allowed to find it funny.
Gimmeabreak...Within the context of that rule "any" can only mean "all". Masi had 15 plus years in the sport. If he didn't know he was fixing outcomes, I will eat my hat. Corrupt, incompetent or malice. There is no room for "honest mistake".
Within the context of releasing lapped cards, "any" is (and could only be) logically equivalent with "all".
Anyone suggesting otherwise is being obtuse on purpose.
No, that's not how it works.
There is a reason legal jargon is so verbose; so there can be no room for interpretation. If your ruleset has words like 'any', that does not mean 'all'. If it does mean 'all', then you must word it that way, otherwise there is room for interpretation.
You cannot let humans 'inference' rules if you have vague wording. Perhaps to you it means 'all', perhaps to others it means 'any', meaning 'some'.
Not only that, the Race Director can overrule many of the Articles. The FIA did this to themselves.
There is nothing vague about "Any cars lapped by the leader...", mate. Stop pretending. There are many instances were the words are not synonyms. This is not one of them.
Clearly, there was interpretation, which is why they changed the wording to 'all', and not 'any'. If you don't want interpretation, word it the proper way then.
Furthermore, being this upset about events from over a year ago that don't even concern you is a pretty bad look. Are you this upset about Prost running into Senna in 1989? Or when Senna crashed into Prost in 1990?Or how about Multi 21? Or how about Schumacher and Hill? Or Schumacher and Villeneuve? Or are you this upset because Lewis 'lost' his championship due to 'cheating'?
It's been well over a year. Lewis is over it. Mercedes is over it. You're the only one still complaining. Get over it.
Did anyone ever buy a mini-helmet from "[https://bellminihelmets.com/](https://bellminihelmets.com/)" ? Just doing a legit check on everything before buying. Haven't seen anything about them online so I was wondering
I have a question about Pirelli and tire designation. This past weekend in Saudi saw C2/C3/C4 tires available.
Pirelli predicted from the beginning that this would be a one-stop race. And with the usual safety cars in Saudi that would usually be an exciting race but it just didn’t turn out that way.
Heading into Australia, which was probably the most boring race of the year last year, I’m really hoping for a 2-stop race to spice things up.
Why doesn’t Pirelli designate softer compounds for races like Saudi and Australia to make this happen? I follow F1 closely but I don’t know everything that goes into making these decisions. Hoping you guys have some insight!
At many tracks, some of the compounds are simply too hard or too soft to be used sensibly. If they're too soft there's a high chance of graining or blistering, which cuts the useable life of the tyres drastically. If they're too hard the teams will simply never get them into a usable temperature window - the Hard tyre at Budapest last season, for example.
Look at Australia last year - Pirelli brought the C5, C3 and C2 to see how the team would react. Unfortunately, even the C3 tyre grained during the race, meaning many teams struggled on it, and so spent most of their time on the C2 tyre, and the C5 had no chance of being used in the race at all. Some teams went to extreme lengths to avoid the softer tyres - Albon ran a single Hard set all the way until the penultimate lap, and Stroll stopped twice under the Safety Car so that he could meet the requirement to run two tyre compounds without actually racing on the Medium tyre.
Depends how bad it is, in many cases it would force more stops, but it isn't a particularly neat or elegant way of doing it. It would affect some teams worse than others and make the tyres quite unpredictable. While that might be entertaining once in a while, it's not particularly good for the sport long term if the teams are just playing lucky dip with the tyres each week.
If all three compounds grained you'd also see a massive outcry from the teams and the wider press criticising Pirelli for failing to bring any tyres that were actually suitable for the track.
Which current driver do yall think has the best personality? In terms of behavior, interviews, social media etc? Essentially folks that rise above just typical *sponsor talk*
For example Jess whose last name I can’t recall atm (works for sky now but used to do f1 official media, dating Chris midland) has an anecdote about him throwing his clip on mic at her
Magnussen is always an interesting read/listen in one-on-one interviews. Very direct and provides interesting info on behind-the-scenes stuff.
Now, if you want to go with someone with a very distinct personality but not necessarily a positive one, it would be Alonso
Lewis is a pretty good personality and human in general, it seems.
Another contender would be Norris, I enjoy his brutally honest character at times.
Bottas is also up there with Lewis, especially since his departure from Mercedes.
So this season dirty air became worse partially due to regulation change in knee jerk reaction to porposing. Last year in Singapore the race was delayed by an hour, because the circuit was to wet. Next race at Suzuka it was too wet and too dangerous, so we had to wait for better conditions. The last weekend SC was deployed in a situations that could be dealt with double yellows. At this point isn't safety used simply to justify anything the FIA gets wrong?
One could argue that.
The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird.
When it comes to racing in the rain, I 100% believe that the only reason they refuse to race in such conditions, is because we cannot see the sponsorships well enough. The drivers are more than capable, after all they are the 'best' 20 drivers in the world, yet they cannot drive in the wet? How did they do it years before, with much more power behind the wheels and less safety nets? I hope their 'rainflaps' or whatever they will call it, works, because wet races are some of the most interesting.
The FIA is definitely knee-jerking for 'safety' reasons most of the time. Introducing Ground effect for the first time in decades, then immediately removing the power of ground effect was very silly on their end.
>The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird.
It kind of reminds me of an accident happened to a certain Asturian driver who I'm not gonna mention during the winter testing on a certain Catalunyan circuit in the early days of the hybrid era.
All of a sudden, the cameras of the German behind him and the circuit cameras weren't available to the public to see the crash, and the driver was brought to the hospital with an helicopter.
>The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird.
That one was bizarre. Just like their explanation. The race director had access to cameras in Stroll's car. Even his in-helmet cam, drivers-eye-view whatever that shit is called. One of them is mounted on the rear and it shows what's behind the car. Given all of that it shouldn't be hard to figure out that SC wasn't necessary. Plus they're in contact with the marshals. They could simply ask them.
I mean, they could have even looked at the world feed. We all saw Strolls car nearly off the track, do the FIA not reference the world feed at all? Do they only view their own cameras? Very bizzare
Then what were you saying? Visibility is the primary reason cited for not racing in extreme wet conditions, not driver control. And modern cars do have objectively worse spray issues than older cars--they're bigger and have more downforce.
There are degrees of wetness and degrees of spray. They race when the spray is merely bad; they don't race when the spray is expected to be excessively bad. (Or when the water on track exceeds the water displacement ability of the wet tires, but lately spray has almost always been the limiting factor.)
If this is meant to be the 'Pinnacle of motorsport', and the 'best 20 drivers in the world', but they can't race with spray, it's kind of sad. Sure, ground effects have made the spray worse, but they don't even race in conditions that they used to from 20 years ago. Its ridiculous, honestly.
Were you an F1 fan during Spygate? How about Crashgate? $100M fines, forfeiture of Constructor's points and years long and lifetime F1 bans followed those.
If "#Restartgate" were to become a thing, what in your mind would it represent? Does the more cumbersome "#ADGP21Restartgate" work better?
For me, it represents the motorsports world watching the rules get altered in mid-event to chase an "exciting finish" and the governing body's failure to void the or alter the result derived from that failure. Sports is meant to be a projection toward our best selves...a model for society in which merit is held above all else and 'the ends justify the means' thinking is never allowed.
I'm with #F1XED over on youtube...The sport had seen nothing like that level corruption and ought never see it again.
David Crofton has suggested "Don't Touch the Car" as a clear and understandable rule around serving out a penalty during a pit stop. I would suggest that "Don't Change the Rules in Mid-Event." is even more fundamental.
Within the context of a rule stating which car are to be released, "any" can ONLY mean "all". Pretending otherwise is to make oneself an accomplice to the robbery.
Moving the SC release forward to "keep it exciting" is an insult to fair sport. There are demolitions derbies and WWE for those that want it.
F1 has almost always had questionable events, its sort of what makes the 'sport' a 'sport'. We still debate whether or not Prost could have made the corner in Suzuka when Senna and him crashed together.
This sport has seen plenty of corruption, Balestre is one of the most controversial figures because of his alleged corruption, to the point he may have altered a WDC outcome.
I agree that there should be more rigid rules taht don't get altered midway through the season, but it's not like its the first time.
Edit: Not to mention Ecclestone, the man is full of controversies that almost killed the sport in some sense of the word.
This is why we have to have clear wording if we are going to use humans as officials.
Wording like 'any cars can unlap themselves' is ripe for interpretation. The teams also don't like to finish under a safety car, so Masi interpreted the wording as he saw fit for the final lap. I wouldn't say that this was worse than Spygate or Crash gate, I don't think there was an intentional break of rules just to make Max win and Lewis lose, or 'cheat', it was a combination of several factors. He just wanted the biggest F1 race in decades to finish smoothly, it maybe could have been better achieved, but this would have happened eventually.
Edit: Furthermore, the FIA gave the Race Director near full discretion of which Articles he could dismiss, as the Race Director was the final say. The FIA played themselves by allowing something so catastrophic to be a potential 'cheat'. I'm glad they're finally revising the rules further, but its a bit late.
Really? I think a rule stating "Any cars lapped by the leader..." is plenty clear. Anything less begins to fix outcomes.
The only thing uncertain was if Masi's interference was borne out of incompetence, malice or corruption. The NDA will keep the fans from knowing.
I’m not sure if it’s that clear cut. “Any” isn’t the same as “all”, the wording needs to be clear, which is why legal jargon is so intense; there can be no room for interpretation.
Masi was under intense pressure, it was the biggest F1 race in decades and teams have said multiple times that they don’t like to finish behind a safety car. With that in mind, he made the decision he thought was best. I don’t think there was corruption, incompetence would be closer, but I wouldn’t say it was necessarily that either.
Question about racing in general
Do you prefer race length to be counted by laps (the current one) or to be counted by a time countdown (commonly seen in endurance racing) ?
For me, i prefer the time countdown method but i think the the lap countdown method is more easy to understand for most people.
Laps in single-driver events, time in multi-driver events. I wouldn't want the 6 Hours of Fuji to become the 250 Laps of Fuji, and I wouldn't want the Belgian Grand Prix to become the 2 Hours of Spa.
I think counting laps also leads to better racing in non-refueling events like F1. We've already seen a few instances where a potential finish was spoiled by a team that bet on a safety car that didn't come ran out of fuel or had to go into extreme fuel conservation mode to finish; if races were timed, the fuel impact of safety cars would be even greater, and I suspect we'd see those issues more often as the potential advantage would be significantly larger.
The fact is that even timed races usually end at the end of the last lap, not in the exact moment, like the 24h of Le Mans doesn't end precisely after 24 hours, so we're counting laps more than time anyway.
In the past some races used to end at a precise timing, so it made more sense to count the time. The 1932 French Grand Prix for example was set to last 5 hours, and the final classification and race results were done by interpolation of times before and after taking the finish line. It's honestly a useless complication to me, so I prefer laps to be counted, even though the appeal of some names like 24h of Le Mans and 24h of Spa is great.
Even endurance races use both types, like *1000 Miles of Sebring* vs *6 Hours of Spa*, or whatever. I don't see that it really makes much difference in the end. I don't have a preference in any case.
The race ends at the end of a lap, on the finish line. So it make sense to count laps. Should the race ends at a specific time, no matter where that moment occurs then it would make sense to count time.
Yes. Absolutely yes. There are lots of rich kids who aren't good enough and don't make it, but there are many many many more poor kids or middle-class kids who can't afford to start karting when their peers are still learning finger-painting.
For many drivers, especially young drivers trying to get up the single seater ladder, money is a big factor in their ability to progress.
Sponsors are not always easy to come by, and drivers with wealthy families or backing from big sponsors will often find it easier to secure seats than more talented drivers without big financial backing.
Talented drivers do sometimes get picked up and helped out by F1 academies or other backers who want to see talented drivers succeed, but even so there are probably many very talented drivers who haven't made it anywhere near the top because of a lack of financial backing.
I don't know who that is or much about pathway, but whoever makes it as far as f2 still must have a decent level of talent, surely. Your dad could be the richest person in the world, but if you don't have the ability to drive without crashing or being able to battle on track, surely you won't make it?
I mean i don’t know how to discuss this with you you
There are myriad concrete examples of Uber wealthy drivers failing upwards (deledda, Raghunathan), you say you aren’t aware of them or the pathway but don’t seem to be looking into either to try to learn more to underpin your arguments, and are therefore basing them on “surely”?
My point stands though, right? How shit actually were/are they? Any rich kid that makes it as high as f2 must at least be competent and have a relatively decent level of talent. No amount of money would make a team put an actual donkey in their car?
Even mazepin, for all he was mocked, clearly is skilled at driving complex, fast cars fast. Anyone who can be within a few seconds of the best in the world is clearly a decent racer
You actually have the capability to look all of this up - their wealth, their results, the fact that some of them were unsafe, what makes drivers able to develop marginal pace (hint- money buys a lot of track time, equipment, coaching, etc etc etc), how bad some of them were and how good mazepin was compared to them - instead of asking me.
Of course, this is all very obvious. Who'd have thought money would buy opportunity to practice?! Shock.
They practice, and increase their talent. If they practiced and practiced and practiced and kept crashing the car or driving dozens of seconds off what's acceptable then they won't make it will they? They have to increase their talent to at least be decent compared to the average. They have to have talent.
You ain’t gonna be able to show anyone how talented you are in the first place unless you have a boatload of cash.
Money is the first, and biggest hurdle. To believe otherwise is rather naive.
I understand that money is massive, but several current f1 guys have gotten there on talent.
If we're talking about naive, then thinking that anyone with a rich dad can make it as far up the chain as f1 is very naive. The ones we mock (mazepin eg) clearly despite being not as good as the best, has to have a decent level of talent. Everyone in f1 is insanely talented.
Who is more likely to make it - an insanely talented youngster with no cash, or a rich kid with absolutely zero talent?
>If we're talking about naive, then thinking that anyone with a rich dad can make it as far up the chain as f1 is very naive
That's the thing - you don't even get to *try* and climb that high unless you have a substantial amount of money or good connections in the first place.
So in the respect that it takes an obscene amount of money to even begin *pursing* F1 as a goal, I would indeed have to say that money is the biggest barrier to entry.
No, not everyone with a rich dad can make it to F1... but pretty much every driver who does has rich parents or good connections. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to go so far in the first place.
Unless the billionaire dad literally runs his own team, no donkey can get into a high end category without at least being decent. Mazepin was mocked for being utter shite and the ultimate example of a pay driver, but he was still only a few seconds behind the best in the world, in inferior machinery. He's still talented.
I get the argument, and obviously it's true, but surely only to a certain degree.
As we know, there are driver academy's etc that pick up talent - Hamilton and ocon I believe are 2 such current examples, unless I'm wrong about their back story. Poorer people can make it with supportive, dedicated family and awesome talent, it's just much harder.
Back to the question I posed - who has the better chance of making it to f1 - an an utterly incredible talent without rich parents, or a rich kid with zero ability?
You are missing the point entirely - it is basically impossible to get into motorsport *at all* without being wealthy, so to say talent is a bigger barrier to becoming an F1 driver is indeed naive...
Motorsport is a sport for rich people, please forget any delusions to the contrary. Yes, the drivers in F1 may be among the most talented, but the fact that upwards of 90% of them come from at least reasonable wealth is indication enough that money is in fact the biggest barrier to reaching the top - because a barrier that stops people from starting at the bottom is still a barrier keeping them from the top.
Seriously, more F1 dreams have been killed by a lack of money than a lack of talent...
There are so many racing series and lots definitely don't need wealth to get into - Martin Brundle started out banger racing and that's mainly done by pikeys, so while the elite series are cash rich, on the whole I disagree on that.
And say someone from a council estate absolutely rips it up in a poor division, and someone with a few connections hears about this awesome talented kid thrashing experienced adults down at Lydden Hill, they might get a chance. Like I've said all along, you have to have talent. The pay drivers are still all very talented. A third time asking (as this is what the whole discussion boils down to) - who has the better chance of making it to f1 - an an utterly incredible talent without rich parents, or a rich kid with zero ability?
LV tickets dropping in 4 hours. 500$ to stand or 2000$-2500$ for grandstand tickets.
I will at least buy the $500 ticket, but will I regret not getting grandstand seats in front of the pit lane for an extra $2000?
Or should I just watch it for FREE?! And save myself a ton of hassle.
I lived in the US 10 years ago, and visited last year (from the UK). One thing that strikes me is how absolutely third-world the £ is getting. Back then, it was largely similar prices. £5 or $5 (in Baltimore anyway) for a pint. Cool.
Now, costs in dollars are way up, but the £:$ is *miles* worse for the pound. Apparently all the US tourists last year couldn't believe how cheap everything was, because obviously they're getting a lot of pounds for their dollars.
Anyway short point being: you could fucking fly to Silverstone (or really anywhere in Europe) and get a 3-day ticket for that kind of money, man.
Prices are
$500 4 days of standing only
$2000 4 day grandstand tickets in a not so great area,
$2500 4 day main grandstand tickets in front of pits
10k+ all other fancy spots (each casino seems to have their own stands on their property with their packages being sold via the casino)
I’m starting to just not wanna go haha.
It seems like a massive cash grab and the people splashing out won't really give a shit about the racing.
If you've got the cash to drop, why not Dona's you suggested and treat yourself to a Silverstone package. At least you know the track is good & exciting and the people will at least be interested in the race rather than just taking pics for their socials.
Get me a ticket too and I'll escort you at Silverstone ;)
And I’m not arguing or anything just trying to piece together info for whoever needs it (including you if you’re still trying to snag some!) good luck!
Ah yes, rooms weren’t even available then at any casinos, and a lot of casinos haven’t released rooms yet, much less track facing rooms, which will trickle down from the hosted players.
Already this year I’ve spend 25-30 nights at strip properties all booked through my hosts, so i do BS dance and everything.
TLDR: plenty of rooms, but you likely have to go through someone bc they’re being stingy with them.
It's the Monaco of the USA. And FOM, Liberty Media, are running everything from the top down. They've done pricing surveys. They know there's a market for this race at the pricepoints they've set.
They sure as hell won't struggle to sell the majority of the tickets. Grandstands will doubtlessly be full.
This is capitalism, baby.
> In 1995 MTV sponsored the Simtek team not with money, but with airtime.
Apparently McLaren have that with Hilton. It's less about money and more that they sort all their hotels all year. Huge headache solved.
> The inaugural F1 championship in 1950 remains the only season where a driver, Giuseppe 'Nino' Farina in this case, won the WDC at their home race.
And very briefly Massa!
> Apparently McLaren have that with Hilton. It's less about money and more that they sort all their hotels all year. Huge headache solved.
What about locations which don't have a Hilton?
I'm sure that they can just book them, and probably at a negotiated, reduced rate, at the typical sort of hotel for teams to be staying at.
If /u/dl064 is correct it's probably just Hilton head office that are tasked with doing this for McLaren. And they probably have a very close working relationship with some people at McLaren who also handle such things. I imagine that Hilton probably has a working relationship with other hotel organisations.
Even though Zak Brown is not technically the team principal I get the sense that fans view him as the defacto one. As such if Mclaren fails to move up over the next couple of seasons would Andrea Stella be the fall guy or would Mclaren Group decide Zak Brown is not the guy
I think it very much depends on what was deemed to be the cause. They aren't accountable to the fans; there isn't any need to create a fall guy if they think both those people were competent and the failure was out of their hands.
Fundamentally, Stella is responsible for the Technical and Strategic aspects of the McLaren F1 team, while Brown oversees the McLaren Racing group as a whole (that means F1, Indycar, Formula E, Extreme E and any future or external projects).
While Brown is clearly a key player in the F1 setup and is still actively involved in some areas (he’ll certainly have a part in the discussion around the commercial side of the business, along with any long- and medium-term strategic decisions such as infrastructure, supplier deals and driver contracts) responsibility for most of the day-to-day management of the team falls on Stella.
While it would be odd for an ordinary group CEO to spend so much of his time flying to and being at F1 races on the weekend, remember that Zak is the CEO of McLaren. A company that started as a racing team in the 60s, run by and named for Bruce McLaren. Racing is integral to McLaren's DNA. Performance in F1 makes their consumer business, road cars, more attractive.
Him being present at race weekends looks good for the race team due to all the media coverage which includes him in it. Often Zak would be the one communicating to commentators when they would radio in to the team. He is a positive, charismatic figure for the F1 team, which clearly has much more work to do to even think about returning to where they were competitively at the start of this decade.
But, the Team Principal role at McLaren is definitely Stella.
He's not the CEO of the Group as a whole, but he is the CEO of McLaren Racing, the subsidiary that deals with all motorsport activity (F1, Indycar, Formula E, Extreme E).
Paul Walsh is the McLaren Group Executive Chairman, as well as the Acting CRO of McLaren Automotive, which Brown has no part in.
McLaren Applied was spun off a few years ago and is no longer part of the McLaren Group, despite it still being primarily based at the MTV.
How can I find out if anything is happening at Fiorano this week? I'm nearby for the next 7 days and want to visit... If there's some sort of testing or something interesting going on then I can line up my visit with it!
Can anyone give me Karma? 😭 I work in F1 and can't comment/post on the F1 sebreddit because I'm new to Reddit >.< (outside of the daily thread)
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Edit: thank you so much everyone! I've now reached 100 comment karma so I should be able to participate here. ❤️❤️❤️
There was a good one on a technical forum about 14 years ago where a guy disclosed all about the McLaren F-duct they were going to run the subsequent season. Everyone said it was horseshit, but lo and behold.
Hi :) It's a high pressure environment and the cost cap is felt by employees but it's a pretty happy place. In general I love it. I write C++ with a few others but my team are mostly C#. The company as a whole use many languages though.
Not at all. I did Aerospace Engineering at Uni. After my first year I sent an email to HR asking if they needed anyone to do anything in the summer and got very lucky as we don't normally take summer placements but the department (wind tunnel model design) had a few people leave close together and so they needed some help. I then managed to do my Uni placement year here too in the same team.
After uni I tried the aerospace industry but it wasn't for me to be honest. I saw an opening here and went back to Model Design. Then while there I started doing some programming for our CAD software to make it do cool things and now that's my whole job :)
I think anyone working at [team]'s HR department could probably zero-in on your details on how you got your placement and work out who you are. Just in case that you wish to keep your identity here anonymous so you don't get reprimanded for saying something out of step?
I don't plan on saying anything out of step 😂 but we had an updated policy on social media and being a positive representative of the company is good. They have no issue with us saying where we work. But I do thank you for looking out for me 😊
Here you go bud. I had created a free excel sweepstake spreadsheet for the new F1 season so people could play along against their mates/work but couldn't share it because I don't have enough Karma too.
Karma back would be cool :)
Last year for the first half, we had closer racing, easier to follow, porpoising uncertainty, will Merc come back into the title fight, 2 crash prone drivers to keep things interesting, Ferrari shenanigans, RB engine questions etc.
How did it all go so wrong in just one year.
Red Bull have Adrian Newey, that’s how they did it. It’s the era of aerodynamics, and he is arguably the smartest aero designer in the history of the sport.
Would you call Jeddah a technical circuit? How much importance does driver skill have there? How does it compare amongst the technical tracks on the calendar?
I've been arguing harshly with a friend of mine that disregards Jeddah as pure trash and as a no-skill circuit, whereas I tend to value it as a really technical track. It's no Monaco for sure, but it requires great skill IMO.
I'd love to hear your opinion
It's a track that definitely rewards driver confidence. Especially last year before some of the changes, it was full of high-speed corners where the drivers were pretty blind because of the walls, so they just had to commit to the corner.
It’s not easy to drive on the limit in an F1 car anywhere but I would say lower skill tracks by F1 standard: Monza, Canada, Austria, Mexico, Abu Dhabi
The corners are more straightforward. Fewer curve balls like something being off camber and generally less complex lateral weight transfer. A lot of straight line heavy braking zones without tricky exits. Certainly not easy but I’ve driven most of the calendar in sim and those would be my choices. However the easier the track, the finer the margins get between drivers and you have to be *perfect* every corner.
When people say "technical circuit" usually they mean slow and twisty because more time can be found in slow corners.
Jeddah is more balls to wall but circuits like that certainly requires great skill. Look at Suzuka which is often described as one of the calendars great driving challenges.
I'm not an expert and I haven't driven it in the game but it seems a fairly tricky track. The run from turns 4 to 12 is non-stop turning where one corner leads into the next, which is what people say makes Hungary sector 2 so tricky: mess up the first corner and it compromises every corner afterwards.
We also see plenty of mistakes and having to bail out across the runoff, so it can't be that easy. Just ask Mick Schumacher.
But I would suggest that anyone who uses absolutes like 'pure trash' and 'no skill' might not be very open to nuance...
Will Hammy retire at the end of this eason or give it one more hail Mary and end it for good in 2024? Taking all bets.
If he's not on the podium he's not gonna bother. U know dis.
My 2024 bet is diminishing, personally. I feel there was more reason to think 2023 would be good for Merc than 2024, unless they do an absolutely astounding job.
The Race had an article last week about how it's all *pretty much* not going to happen, the 8th. I mean maybe but *probably not*, and Mark Hughes thinks Hamilton's current tension/vague shirtiness is him coming to terms with that for a wee while.
I did think Brundle was very interesting and right when he said that a couple of years ago, Hamilton parting with Angela Cullen would be unthinkable; that she was 'indispensable'. So what gives, there?
Maybe nothing, but interesting.
It's definitely the target, but as Ted said last year - okay, 2022 is one thing, but what happens when one poor year becomes two, becomes three, becomes...?
I'm fairly certain that he stated he intended to stay with Mercedes to get his 8th WDC. I'm not holding my breath until I see the contract signed as the last couple years, Hamilton and Mercedes have waited until the last minute to announce a 1 year contract making us all wonder. But usually all the other drivers are announce by then so it's either he signs with Mercedes or he doesn't have a drive.
> If he's not on the podium he's not gonna bother. U know dis.
Yeah, I remember in 2009 when he called it quits after he didn't score a podium in the first nine races.
Oh wait...
It’s pretty obvious he wants to help the recovery process. I don’t know if Mercedes will allow him to stay if the driver situations at other teams change and someone’s contract breakdown or a clause gets activated and triggers a domino effect on the grid. Otherwise he’s staying there for a while yet.
Do you think Geri Halliwell will travel with Christian Horner to Melbourne this week???
Thinking back to the start at Jeddah, why didn’t Alonso start properly and then move over to the left after starting?
I think it was just a rookie mistake, rather than an intentional decision
What's a sprint? I noticed there's one scheduled for Baku on April 29th.
This was a new thing introduced last year (I believe). There's an early quali, and then a short race - about 1/3 of the normal race distance, that is called the Sprint. There are a few points offered for the top finishers - but more importantly - the finishing result of the sprint race determines the starting order for the actual race.
It was 2021, but the rest is correct!
What are some of the must-watch races from before the Drive to Survive era? I’ve just watched the multi 21 race from Malaysia 2013.
Any race from the 2012 season
Honestly the races from the 2012 season aren't great _unless you watch the full season_. The individual races often are pretty mediocre. 2010 is the same way. As a season, where you get to see the story develop over the full course of a year, it's incredible. But if you just sit down to watch, like, the 2012 Japanese Grand Prix it's not that interesting, unless you're really into watching Michael Schumacher fail to pass a young Daniel Ricciardo for 20 laps. The best race of that era is the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix, though be prepared to do some fast-forwarding. If you want to watch a race from 2012 specifically, Brazil is the best, probably followed by Spa. But really I'd just watch the whole season, or the season review. Some races that come up frequently when this question is asked include '99 European, Spain 1996, France 2004, Brazil 2008, Japan 2005, Monza 2008, Germany 2009, Monaco 1982 and England 1987. If you have F1TV and don't already know the story, run don't walk to the 1982 Monaco GP.
Is there a sub for Formula 1 gossip about who drivers are dating. Or who has fallen out with who in the paddock. I feel that kind of thing, might be a twitter thing.
The Engine Failure newsletter is kind of close in that it deals with F1 culture. https://www.enginefailuref1.com/
Damn. Thanks!
So here's a game for F1 Fans as a bit of fun, (Hopefully) Here are the rules to this game. Pick 10-12 Teams/Constuctors from a specific decade, you can pick any one from the 50s onwards but try and keep it within the similar sort of era as the cars are obviously drastically different. The twist is that the drivers you choose cannot be a world champion to be the driver of any team which automatically disqualifies the likes of, Schumacher/Senna/Prost/Clark/Stewart/Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso and etc. This is to ensure that there will be a new drivers champion crowned, However you can use Grand Prix winners as well as championship winning constructors, Ferrari/Mercedes/Williams/Mclaren/Lotus/Benneton and etc. You must also try and pick different driver pairings than any actual real life driver pairing, for e.g you cannot use Montoya and Ralf Schumacher in a BMW Williams to challange a Ferrari, you can only pick one or the other. This is to get people thinking and to encourage more creativity with their pairings. You can also pick any Grand Prix circuit you want in your fantasy season! Which circuits will you choose, how many will take place in your season, who will win and take podiums in those grand prix's and which driver or constructor ultimately comes out on top as your World Champion?
The meltdown in a certain faction of F1 Twitter over a stupid mug has been fascinating. Not sure if it's entertaining or tragic tbh.
Pretty sure Scarbs deleted his tweet about it as well. Didn't find it very funny myself but people are allowed to have some humour about it.
What happened?
So F1 sold a series of mugs with team radio quotes printed on them, one of them was "No Michael No" by Toto. Obviously that one got a lot of attention, but Scarbs saw some humour in it so he bought it and tweeted a picture of the mug in his possession and captioned it "So how do you guys start your day?" His replies were flooded with stuff like "so you support the farcical season", "you are a fan of corruption?" blablabla so he probably deleted it to keep his follower count up. Personally, I thought AD21 was terribly mishandled, and the mug doesn't reflect well on the sport. But people should be allowed to find it funny.
Gimmeabreak...Within the context of that rule "any" can only mean "all". Masi had 15 plus years in the sport. If he didn't know he was fixing outcomes, I will eat my hat. Corrupt, incompetent or malice. There is no room for "honest mistake".
Don't forget to drink enough water. All this crying will cause dehydration.
Thanks...Got it covered.
Has something new happened?
No, he's just posted about 15 times about the results of 2021.
I think you're about 15 months too late on that one...
Then they should have had 'all', and not 'any'. Incompetence is also an honest mistake.
Within the context of releasing lapped cards, "any" is (and could only be) logically equivalent with "all". Anyone suggesting otherwise is being obtuse on purpose.
No, that's not how it works. There is a reason legal jargon is so verbose; so there can be no room for interpretation. If your ruleset has words like 'any', that does not mean 'all'. If it does mean 'all', then you must word it that way, otherwise there is room for interpretation. You cannot let humans 'inference' rules if you have vague wording. Perhaps to you it means 'all', perhaps to others it means 'any', meaning 'some'. Not only that, the Race Director can overrule many of the Articles. The FIA did this to themselves.
There is nothing vague about "Any cars lapped by the leader...", mate. Stop pretending. There are many instances were the words are not synonyms. This is not one of them.
Clearly, there was interpretation, which is why they changed the wording to 'all', and not 'any'. If you don't want interpretation, word it the proper way then. Furthermore, being this upset about events from over a year ago that don't even concern you is a pretty bad look. Are you this upset about Prost running into Senna in 1989? Or when Senna crashed into Prost in 1990?Or how about Multi 21? Or how about Schumacher and Hill? Or Schumacher and Villeneuve? Or are you this upset because Lewis 'lost' his championship due to 'cheating'? It's been well over a year. Lewis is over it. Mercedes is over it. You're the only one still complaining. Get over it.
Did anyone ever buy a mini-helmet from "[https://bellminihelmets.com/](https://bellminihelmets.com/)" ? Just doing a legit check on everything before buying. Haven't seen anything about them online so I was wondering
I have a question about Pirelli and tire designation. This past weekend in Saudi saw C2/C3/C4 tires available. Pirelli predicted from the beginning that this would be a one-stop race. And with the usual safety cars in Saudi that would usually be an exciting race but it just didn’t turn out that way. Heading into Australia, which was probably the most boring race of the year last year, I’m really hoping for a 2-stop race to spice things up. Why doesn’t Pirelli designate softer compounds for races like Saudi and Australia to make this happen? I follow F1 closely but I don’t know everything that goes into making these decisions. Hoping you guys have some insight!
At many tracks, some of the compounds are simply too hard or too soft to be used sensibly. If they're too soft there's a high chance of graining or blistering, which cuts the useable life of the tyres drastically. If they're too hard the teams will simply never get them into a usable temperature window - the Hard tyre at Budapest last season, for example. Look at Australia last year - Pirelli brought the C5, C3 and C2 to see how the team would react. Unfortunately, even the C3 tyre grained during the race, meaning many teams struggled on it, and so spent most of their time on the C2 tyre, and the C5 had no chance of being used in the race at all. Some teams went to extreme lengths to avoid the softer tyres - Albon ran a single Hard set all the way until the penultimate lap, and Stroll stopped twice under the Safety Car so that he could meet the requirement to run two tyre compounds without actually racing on the Medium tyre.
Would the issue of graining not force teams into a 2-stop strategy? Or are these softer compounds literally unusable?
In the case of the C5, I think it was pretty close to literally unusable for anything other than last-lap fastest lap attempt which wasn't needed.
Depends how bad it is, in many cases it would force more stops, but it isn't a particularly neat or elegant way of doing it. It would affect some teams worse than others and make the tyres quite unpredictable. While that might be entertaining once in a while, it's not particularly good for the sport long term if the teams are just playing lucky dip with the tyres each week. If all three compounds grained you'd also see a massive outcry from the teams and the wider press criticising Pirelli for failing to bring any tyres that were actually suitable for the track.
Okay that makes sense. Thanks for the response!
Which current driver do yall think has the best personality? In terms of behavior, interviews, social media etc? Essentially folks that rise above just typical *sponsor talk*
Alonso, not necessarily the best behavioured, but the one with his own charisma.
Hulkenberg is great, very funny and likeable. Also Albon, just seems very genuine and kinda awkward in a cute way.
Agree Albon, hulk I’m iffy on after multiple f1 media folks have anecdotes about his being unnecessarily hostile and interpersonally rude to them
Huh, I've never heard that about Hulk before, surprising if true.
For example Jess whose last name I can’t recall atm (works for sky now but used to do f1 official media, dating Chris midland) has an anecdote about him throwing his clip on mic at her
Magnussen is always an interesting read/listen in one-on-one interviews. Very direct and provides interesting info on behind-the-scenes stuff. Now, if you want to go with someone with a very distinct personality but not necessarily a positive one, it would be Alonso
Also has a very calming voice
He really says a lot especially to danish media
The new super cool Valtteri Bottas. He's a totally different guy from his time at Mercedes. Also Charles Leclerc, he just seems so nice and genuine.
Lewis is a pretty good personality and human in general, it seems. Another contender would be Norris, I enjoy his brutally honest character at times. Bottas is also up there with Lewis, especially since his departure from Mercedes.
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So this season dirty air became worse partially due to regulation change in knee jerk reaction to porposing. Last year in Singapore the race was delayed by an hour, because the circuit was to wet. Next race at Suzuka it was too wet and too dangerous, so we had to wait for better conditions. The last weekend SC was deployed in a situations that could be dealt with double yellows. At this point isn't safety used simply to justify anything the FIA gets wrong?
I'd rather they were over cautious with people's lives tbh
One could argue that. The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird. When it comes to racing in the rain, I 100% believe that the only reason they refuse to race in such conditions, is because we cannot see the sponsorships well enough. The drivers are more than capable, after all they are the 'best' 20 drivers in the world, yet they cannot drive in the wet? How did they do it years before, with much more power behind the wheels and less safety nets? I hope their 'rainflaps' or whatever they will call it, works, because wet races are some of the most interesting. The FIA is definitely knee-jerking for 'safety' reasons most of the time. Introducing Ground effect for the first time in decades, then immediately removing the power of ground effect was very silly on their end.
>The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird. It kind of reminds me of an accident happened to a certain Asturian driver who I'm not gonna mention during the winter testing on a certain Catalunyan circuit in the early days of the hybrid era. All of a sudden, the cameras of the German behind him and the circuit cameras weren't available to the public to see the crash, and the driver was brought to the hospital with an helicopter.
From what I remember Latifi crashed in qualifying last year in the exact same spot Stroll’s car was stopped at.
>The Jeddah race was a bit strange, as they apparently had 'no cameras' or sensors in that area to detect if the car was off the track, kind of seems weird. That one was bizarre. Just like their explanation. The race director had access to cameras in Stroll's car. Even his in-helmet cam, drivers-eye-view whatever that shit is called. One of them is mounted on the rear and it shows what's behind the car. Given all of that it shouldn't be hard to figure out that SC wasn't necessary. Plus they're in contact with the marshals. They could simply ask them.
I mean, they could have even looked at the world feed. We all saw Strolls car nearly off the track, do the FIA not reference the world feed at all? Do they only view their own cameras? Very bizzare
>they are the 'best' 20 drivers in the world Yep, it's well-known that being an elite driver gives you x-ray vision to see through a wall of spray.
Not at all what I was saying, but go off king.
Then what were you saying? Visibility is the primary reason cited for not racing in extreme wet conditions, not driver control. And modern cars do have objectively worse spray issues than older cars--they're bigger and have more downforce.
If spray is that big of a concern, so much so that drivers cannot see, then they need to stop racing in the wet. Full stop.
There are degrees of wetness and degrees of spray. They race when the spray is merely bad; they don't race when the spray is expected to be excessively bad. (Or when the water on track exceeds the water displacement ability of the wet tires, but lately spray has almost always been the limiting factor.)
If this is meant to be the 'Pinnacle of motorsport', and the 'best 20 drivers in the world', but they can't race with spray, it's kind of sad. Sure, ground effects have made the spray worse, but they don't even race in conditions that they used to from 20 years ago. Its ridiculous, honestly.
Were you an F1 fan during Spygate? How about Crashgate? $100M fines, forfeiture of Constructor's points and years long and lifetime F1 bans followed those. If "#Restartgate" were to become a thing, what in your mind would it represent? Does the more cumbersome "#ADGP21Restartgate" work better? For me, it represents the motorsports world watching the rules get altered in mid-event to chase an "exciting finish" and the governing body's failure to void the or alter the result derived from that failure. Sports is meant to be a projection toward our best selves...a model for society in which merit is held above all else and 'the ends justify the means' thinking is never allowed. I'm with #F1XED over on youtube...The sport had seen nothing like that level corruption and ought never see it again. David Crofton has suggested "Don't Touch the Car" as a clear and understandable rule around serving out a penalty during a pit stop. I would suggest that "Don't Change the Rules in Mid-Event." is even more fundamental.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
semi-regular reminder that any doesn't mean all and the race director has full control over the SC
Within the context of a rule stating which car are to be released, "any" can ONLY mean "all". Pretending otherwise is to make oneself an accomplice to the robbery. Moving the SC release forward to "keep it exciting" is an insult to fair sport. There are demolitions derbies and WWE for those that want it.
F1 has almost always had questionable events, its sort of what makes the 'sport' a 'sport'. We still debate whether or not Prost could have made the corner in Suzuka when Senna and him crashed together. This sport has seen plenty of corruption, Balestre is one of the most controversial figures because of his alleged corruption, to the point he may have altered a WDC outcome. I agree that there should be more rigid rules taht don't get altered midway through the season, but it's not like its the first time. Edit: Not to mention Ecclestone, the man is full of controversies that almost killed the sport in some sense of the word.
Rule changes in mid-season can be borne...As long as there is some forenotice and they apply to all teams...but mid-event? That's just cheating.
This is why we have to have clear wording if we are going to use humans as officials. Wording like 'any cars can unlap themselves' is ripe for interpretation. The teams also don't like to finish under a safety car, so Masi interpreted the wording as he saw fit for the final lap. I wouldn't say that this was worse than Spygate or Crash gate, I don't think there was an intentional break of rules just to make Max win and Lewis lose, or 'cheat', it was a combination of several factors. He just wanted the biggest F1 race in decades to finish smoothly, it maybe could have been better achieved, but this would have happened eventually. Edit: Furthermore, the FIA gave the Race Director near full discretion of which Articles he could dismiss, as the Race Director was the final say. The FIA played themselves by allowing something so catastrophic to be a potential 'cheat'. I'm glad they're finally revising the rules further, but its a bit late.
The fact that people were using a dictionary to prove their point about the any and all bullshit still pisses me off.
Really? I think a rule stating "Any cars lapped by the leader..." is plenty clear. Anything less begins to fix outcomes. The only thing uncertain was if Masi's interference was borne out of incompetence, malice or corruption. The NDA will keep the fans from knowing.
I’m not sure if it’s that clear cut. “Any” isn’t the same as “all”, the wording needs to be clear, which is why legal jargon is so intense; there can be no room for interpretation. Masi was under intense pressure, it was the biggest F1 race in decades and teams have said multiple times that they don’t like to finish behind a safety car. With that in mind, he made the decision he thought was best. I don’t think there was corruption, incompetence would be closer, but I wouldn’t say it was necessarily that either.
Question about racing in general Do you prefer race length to be counted by laps (the current one) or to be counted by a time countdown (commonly seen in endurance racing) ? For me, i prefer the time countdown method but i think the the lap countdown method is more easy to understand for most people.
Laps in single-driver events, time in multi-driver events. I wouldn't want the 6 Hours of Fuji to become the 250 Laps of Fuji, and I wouldn't want the Belgian Grand Prix to become the 2 Hours of Spa.
I think counting laps also leads to better racing in non-refueling events like F1. We've already seen a few instances where a potential finish was spoiled by a team that bet on a safety car that didn't come ran out of fuel or had to go into extreme fuel conservation mode to finish; if races were timed, the fuel impact of safety cars would be even greater, and I suspect we'd see those issues more often as the potential advantage would be significantly larger.
The fact is that even timed races usually end at the end of the last lap, not in the exact moment, like the 24h of Le Mans doesn't end precisely after 24 hours, so we're counting laps more than time anyway. In the past some races used to end at a precise timing, so it made more sense to count the time. The 1932 French Grand Prix for example was set to last 5 hours, and the final classification and race results were done by interpolation of times before and after taking the finish line. It's honestly a useless complication to me, so I prefer laps to be counted, even though the appeal of some names like 24h of Le Mans and 24h of Spa is great.
Lap count is too important to not be shown to viewers.
Even endurance races use both types, like *1000 Miles of Sebring* vs *6 Hours of Spa*, or whatever. I don't see that it really makes much difference in the end. I don't have a preference in any case.
The race ends at the end of a lap, on the finish line. So it make sense to count laps. Should the race ends at a specific time, no matter where that moment occurs then it would make sense to count time.
Is money and connections the barrier to entry in becoming an F1 driver?
Yes. Absolutely yes. There are lots of rich kids who aren't good enough and don't make it, but there are many many many more poor kids or middle-class kids who can't afford to start karting when their peers are still learning finger-painting.
For many drivers, especially young drivers trying to get up the single seater ladder, money is a big factor in their ability to progress. Sponsors are not always easy to come by, and drivers with wealthy families or backing from big sponsors will often find it easier to secure seats than more talented drivers without big financial backing. Talented drivers do sometimes get picked up and helped out by F1 academies or other backers who want to see talented drivers succeed, but even so there are probably many very talented drivers who haven't made it anywhere near the top because of a lack of financial backing.
And also many rich kids haven't made it through lack of talent
Insane levels of talent
Nah, money is a *way* bigger factor.
Yes but talent is a bigger barrier ultimately. It doesn't matter how rich you are, if you're terrible you won't get in.
To f1? Sure. Can you keep failing upwards as far as f2? 100%. See Brad benavides this year
I don't know who that is or much about pathway, but whoever makes it as far as f2 still must have a decent level of talent, surely. Your dad could be the richest person in the world, but if you don't have the ability to drive without crashing or being able to battle on track, surely you won't make it?
I mean i don’t know how to discuss this with you you There are myriad concrete examples of Uber wealthy drivers failing upwards (deledda, Raghunathan), you say you aren’t aware of them or the pathway but don’t seem to be looking into either to try to learn more to underpin your arguments, and are therefore basing them on “surely”?
My point stands though, right? How shit actually were/are they? Any rich kid that makes it as high as f2 must at least be competent and have a relatively decent level of talent. No amount of money would make a team put an actual donkey in their car? Even mazepin, for all he was mocked, clearly is skilled at driving complex, fast cars fast. Anyone who can be within a few seconds of the best in the world is clearly a decent racer
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You actually have the capability to look all of this up - their wealth, their results, the fact that some of them were unsafe, what makes drivers able to develop marginal pace (hint- money buys a lot of track time, equipment, coaching, etc etc etc), how bad some of them were and how good mazepin was compared to them - instead of asking me.
Of course, this is all very obvious. Who'd have thought money would buy opportunity to practice?! Shock. They practice, and increase their talent. If they practiced and practiced and practiced and kept crashing the car or driving dozens of seconds off what's acceptable then they won't make it will they? They have to increase their talent to at least be decent compared to the average. They have to have talent.
You ain’t gonna be able to show anyone how talented you are in the first place unless you have a boatload of cash. Money is the first, and biggest hurdle. To believe otherwise is rather naive.
I understand that money is massive, but several current f1 guys have gotten there on talent. If we're talking about naive, then thinking that anyone with a rich dad can make it as far up the chain as f1 is very naive. The ones we mock (mazepin eg) clearly despite being not as good as the best, has to have a decent level of talent. Everyone in f1 is insanely talented. Who is more likely to make it - an insanely talented youngster with no cash, or a rich kid with absolutely zero talent?
>If we're talking about naive, then thinking that anyone with a rich dad can make it as far up the chain as f1 is very naive That's the thing - you don't even get to *try* and climb that high unless you have a substantial amount of money or good connections in the first place. So in the respect that it takes an obscene amount of money to even begin *pursing* F1 as a goal, I would indeed have to say that money is the biggest barrier to entry. No, not everyone with a rich dad can make it to F1... but pretty much every driver who does has rich parents or good connections. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to go so far in the first place.
Unless the billionaire dad literally runs his own team, no donkey can get into a high end category without at least being decent. Mazepin was mocked for being utter shite and the ultimate example of a pay driver, but he was still only a few seconds behind the best in the world, in inferior machinery. He's still talented. I get the argument, and obviously it's true, but surely only to a certain degree. As we know, there are driver academy's etc that pick up talent - Hamilton and ocon I believe are 2 such current examples, unless I'm wrong about their back story. Poorer people can make it with supportive, dedicated family and awesome talent, it's just much harder. Back to the question I posed - who has the better chance of making it to f1 - an an utterly incredible talent without rich parents, or a rich kid with zero ability?
You are missing the point entirely - it is basically impossible to get into motorsport *at all* without being wealthy, so to say talent is a bigger barrier to becoming an F1 driver is indeed naive... Motorsport is a sport for rich people, please forget any delusions to the contrary. Yes, the drivers in F1 may be among the most talented, but the fact that upwards of 90% of them come from at least reasonable wealth is indication enough that money is in fact the biggest barrier to reaching the top - because a barrier that stops people from starting at the bottom is still a barrier keeping them from the top. Seriously, more F1 dreams have been killed by a lack of money than a lack of talent...
There are so many racing series and lots definitely don't need wealth to get into - Martin Brundle started out banger racing and that's mainly done by pikeys, so while the elite series are cash rich, on the whole I disagree on that. And say someone from a council estate absolutely rips it up in a poor division, and someone with a few connections hears about this awesome talented kid thrashing experienced adults down at Lydden Hill, they might get a chance. Like I've said all along, you have to have talent. The pay drivers are still all very talented. A third time asking (as this is what the whole discussion boils down to) - who has the better chance of making it to f1 - an an utterly incredible talent without rich parents, or a rich kid with zero ability?
LV tickets dropping in 4 hours. 500$ to stand or 2000$-2500$ for grandstand tickets. I will at least buy the $500 ticket, but will I regret not getting grandstand seats in front of the pit lane for an extra $2000? Or should I just watch it for FREE?! And save myself a ton of hassle.
I lived in the US 10 years ago, and visited last year (from the UK). One thing that strikes me is how absolutely third-world the £ is getting. Back then, it was largely similar prices. £5 or $5 (in Baltimore anyway) for a pint. Cool. Now, costs in dollars are way up, but the £:$ is *miles* worse for the pound. Apparently all the US tourists last year couldn't believe how cheap everything was, because obviously they're getting a lot of pounds for their dollars. Anyway short point being: you could fucking fly to Silverstone (or really anywhere in Europe) and get a 3-day ticket for that kind of money, man.
Are you being serious about the price?!
Prices are $500 4 days of standing only $2000 4 day grandstand tickets in a not so great area, $2500 4 day main grandstand tickets in front of pits 10k+ all other fancy spots (each casino seems to have their own stands on their property with their packages being sold via the casino) I’m starting to just not wanna go haha.
It seems like a massive cash grab and the people splashing out won't really give a shit about the racing. If you've got the cash to drop, why not Dona's you suggested and treat yourself to a Silverstone package. At least you know the track is good & exciting and the people will at least be interested in the race rather than just taking pics for their socials. Get me a ticket too and I'll escort you at Silverstone ;)
Yea I’ll do that. The way vegas is layed out I will just try to get a good hotel room
Those rooms have all been booked for over a year
Not true. Unless you have a specific source. Mine is various casino hosts.
My source is I tried to book a room with track views in July and there was nothing available. Good luck
And I’m not arguing or anything just trying to piece together info for whoever needs it (including you if you’re still trying to snag some!) good luck!
Ah yes, rooms weren’t even available then at any casinos, and a lot of casinos haven’t released rooms yet, much less track facing rooms, which will trickle down from the hosted players. Already this year I’ve spend 25-30 nights at strip properties all booked through my hosts, so i do BS dance and everything. TLDR: plenty of rooms, but you likely have to go through someone bc they’re being stingy with them.
I only go to Vegas once every few years so I don’t have a host at any of the casinos… I almost always stay at the Wynn because I’m a shareholder
That's crazy lol
It's the Monaco of the USA. And FOM, Liberty Media, are running everything from the top down. They've done pricing surveys. They know there's a market for this race at the pricepoints they've set. They sure as hell won't struggle to sell the majority of the tickets. Grandstands will doubtlessly be full. This is capitalism, baby.
It’s already all sold out
I'm sure there are still available Vegas hotel packages for those with the means.
Yes, I mean the Ticketmaster tickets. There are still a ton of tickets to get via casinos but of course they like the gamblers.
How do they get the engine sounds in the F1 theme?
Are you asking how sound mixing and mastering works?
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They just played it
They push play
> In 1995 MTV sponsored the Simtek team not with money, but with airtime. Apparently McLaren have that with Hilton. It's less about money and more that they sort all their hotels all year. Huge headache solved. > The inaugural F1 championship in 1950 remains the only season where a driver, Giuseppe 'Nino' Farina in this case, won the WDC at their home race. And very briefly Massa!
> Apparently McLaren have that with Hilton. It's less about money and more that they sort all their hotels all year. Huge headache solved. What about locations which don't have a Hilton?
I'm sure that they can just book them, and probably at a negotiated, reduced rate, at the typical sort of hotel for teams to be staying at. If /u/dl064 is correct it's probably just Hilton head office that are tasked with doing this for McLaren. And they probably have a very close working relationship with some people at McLaren who also handle such things. I imagine that Hilton probably has a working relationship with other hotel organisations.
Like which f1 locations?
Even though Zak Brown is not technically the team principal I get the sense that fans view him as the defacto one. As such if Mclaren fails to move up over the next couple of seasons would Andrea Stella be the fall guy or would Mclaren Group decide Zak Brown is not the guy
I think it very much depends on what was deemed to be the cause. They aren't accountable to the fans; there isn't any need to create a fall guy if they think both those people were competent and the failure was out of their hands.
Stella - fans don’t influence the McLaren board of directors.
Fundamentally, Stella is responsible for the Technical and Strategic aspects of the McLaren F1 team, while Brown oversees the McLaren Racing group as a whole (that means F1, Indycar, Formula E, Extreme E and any future or external projects). While Brown is clearly a key player in the F1 setup and is still actively involved in some areas (he’ll certainly have a part in the discussion around the commercial side of the business, along with any long- and medium-term strategic decisions such as infrastructure, supplier deals and driver contracts) responsibility for most of the day-to-day management of the team falls on Stella.
While it would be odd for an ordinary group CEO to spend so much of his time flying to and being at F1 races on the weekend, remember that Zak is the CEO of McLaren. A company that started as a racing team in the 60s, run by and named for Bruce McLaren. Racing is integral to McLaren's DNA. Performance in F1 makes their consumer business, road cars, more attractive. Him being present at race weekends looks good for the race team due to all the media coverage which includes him in it. Often Zak would be the one communicating to commentators when they would radio in to the team. He is a positive, charismatic figure for the F1 team, which clearly has much more work to do to even think about returning to where they were competitively at the start of this decade. But, the Team Principal role at McLaren is definitely Stella.
He's not the CEO of the Group as a whole, but he is the CEO of McLaren Racing, the subsidiary that deals with all motorsport activity (F1, Indycar, Formula E, Extreme E). Paul Walsh is the McLaren Group Executive Chairman, as well as the Acting CRO of McLaren Automotive, which Brown has no part in. McLaren Applied was spun off a few years ago and is no longer part of the McLaren Group, despite it still being primarily based at the MTV.
>that fans view him as the defscto one. Why would this be a factor?
They think he's the one accountable for the state Mclaren is in right now
Yes I know what you mean, but why would the opinion of the fans be a factor? Why would their opinion matter ?
> why would the opinion of the fans be a factor? Why would their opinion matter ? I'd like this as a flair.
How can I find out if anything is happening at Fiorano this week? I'm nearby for the next 7 days and want to visit... If there's some sort of testing or something interesting going on then I can line up my visit with it!
There is no testing but you can check their website if there are any non F1 events.
There will be no F1 testing going on, that's for sure
Who's watching MotoGP? It's gonna be very spicy this year
Are MotoGP championships more interesting than F1? Like for this season for example?
If you want unpredictability then yes. If you want drama, then there is less of that. It depends on what you want, in terms of interest in motorsport
Would love to get into it, is there an app for it, like F1TV?
Depends, where ur from
Yes it will be
Can anyone give me Karma? 😭 I work in F1 and can't comment/post on the F1 sebreddit because I'm new to Reddit >.< (outside of the daily thread) ❤️ Edit: thank you so much everyone! I've now reached 100 comment karma so I should be able to participate here. ❤️❤️❤️
You might wanna prove that before asking for karma
There was a good one on a technical forum about 14 years ago where a guy disclosed all about the McLaren F-duct they were going to run the subsequent season. Everyone said it was horseshit, but lo and behold.
Yes u/Zarakk312, please give away some trade secrets.
Haha. Don't tell anyone, but we have a small unicorn where the engine should be with it's hooves through the floor like the Fintstones
So long as the unicorn is run on the correct fuel at the correct flow, I'll allow it.
It was really just a friendly request since I tried commenting on another thread and couldn't.
Hello, may I ask what your job is?
I'm a programmer developing tools for our design software :)
As a developer myself, whats the environment like? What language(s) do you use? Are there a lot of devs?
Hi :) It's a high pressure environment and the cost cap is felt by employees but it's a pretty happy place. In general I love it. I write C++ with a few others but my team are mostly C#. The company as a whole use many languages though.
Would you mind sharing your path to the job? Perhaps what you studied or previous experience?
Not at all. I did Aerospace Engineering at Uni. After my first year I sent an email to HR asking if they needed anyone to do anything in the summer and got very lucky as we don't normally take summer placements but the department (wind tunnel model design) had a few people leave close together and so they needed some help. I then managed to do my Uni placement year here too in the same team. After uni I tried the aerospace industry but it wasn't for me to be honest. I saw an opening here and went back to Model Design. Then while there I started doing some programming for our CAD software to make it do cool things and now that's my whole job :)
I think anyone working at [team]'s HR department could probably zero-in on your details on how you got your placement and work out who you are. Just in case that you wish to keep your identity here anonymous so you don't get reprimanded for saying something out of step?
I don't plan on saying anything out of step 😂 but we had an updated policy on social media and being a positive representative of the company is good. They have no issue with us saying where we work. But I do thank you for looking out for me 😊
Ah sweet, good to know.
What’s your job?
I'm a programmer developing tools for our design software :)
Thank you!
Here you go bud. I had created a free excel sweepstake spreadsheet for the new F1 season so people could play along against their mates/work but couldn't share it because I don't have enough Karma too. Karma back would be cool :)
Cheers everyone :)
Last year for the first half, we had closer racing, easier to follow, porpoising uncertainty, will Merc come back into the title fight, 2 crash prone drivers to keep things interesting, Ferrari shenanigans, RB engine questions etc. How did it all go so wrong in just one year.
Red Bull have Adrian Newey, that’s how they did it. It’s the era of aerodynamics, and he is arguably the smartest aero designer in the history of the sport.
Raised floor edges happened.
Ferrari and Mercedes both failed to make significant progress whereas Red Bull did
If you strip it right back, it's pretty simple - last year we had two teams that brought cars good enough to win, this year we only have one.
Would you call Jeddah a technical circuit? How much importance does driver skill have there? How does it compare amongst the technical tracks on the calendar? I've been arguing harshly with a friend of mine that disregards Jeddah as pure trash and as a no-skill circuit, whereas I tend to value it as a really technical track. It's no Monaco for sure, but it requires great skill IMO. I'd love to hear your opinion
It's a track that definitely rewards driver confidence. Especially last year before some of the changes, it was full of high-speed corners where the drivers were pretty blind because of the walls, so they just had to commit to the corner.
I hadn't thought of it until I read as much, but it's a *shocker* of a circuit to have early in the season if you're a rookie. It doesn't fuck about.
Is there even such a track that’s no-skill?
It’s not easy to drive on the limit in an F1 car anywhere but I would say lower skill tracks by F1 standard: Monza, Canada, Austria, Mexico, Abu Dhabi The corners are more straightforward. Fewer curve balls like something being off camber and generally less complex lateral weight transfer. A lot of straight line heavy braking zones without tricky exits. Certainly not easy but I’ve driven most of the calendar in sim and those would be my choices. However the easier the track, the finer the margins get between drivers and you have to be *perfect* every corner.
A better way to look at it is there are tracks that require skill and some that require more.
When people say "technical circuit" usually they mean slow and twisty because more time can be found in slow corners. Jeddah is more balls to wall but circuits like that certainly requires great skill. Look at Suzuka which is often described as one of the calendars great driving challenges.
I'm not an expert and I haven't driven it in the game but it seems a fairly tricky track. The run from turns 4 to 12 is non-stop turning where one corner leads into the next, which is what people say makes Hungary sector 2 so tricky: mess up the first corner and it compromises every corner afterwards. We also see plenty of mistakes and having to bail out across the runoff, so it can't be that easy. Just ask Mick Schumacher. But I would suggest that anyone who uses absolutes like 'pure trash' and 'no skill' might not be very open to nuance...
Will Hammy retire at the end of this eason or give it one more hail Mary and end it for good in 2024? Taking all bets. If he's not on the podium he's not gonna bother. U know dis.
If Merc fucks up elementary stuff again like putting the proper model in the wind tunnel for 2024 I could see him retiring
making go play vroom vroom in the sandpit with TVR and Noble
My 2024 bet is diminishing, personally. I feel there was more reason to think 2023 would be good for Merc than 2024, unless they do an absolutely astounding job. The Race had an article last week about how it's all *pretty much* not going to happen, the 8th. I mean maybe but *probably not*, and Mark Hughes thinks Hamilton's current tension/vague shirtiness is him coming to terms with that for a wee while. I did think Brundle was very interesting and right when he said that a couple of years ago, Hamilton parting with Angela Cullen would be unthinkable; that she was 'indispensable'. So what gives, there? Maybe nothing, but interesting.
I don't think he'll retire in 23 or 24. He said he's staying until he gets his 8th. I'll take his word.
It's definitely the target, but as Ted said last year - okay, 2022 is one thing, but what happens when one poor year becomes two, becomes three, becomes...?
[Guess we'll be watching him for a while](https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.XAsjYJ63dyq2w3sQVN1IpgHaE8)
I'm fairly certain that he stated he intended to stay with Mercedes to get his 8th WDC. I'm not holding my breath until I see the contract signed as the last couple years, Hamilton and Mercedes have waited until the last minute to announce a 1 year contract making us all wonder. But usually all the other drivers are announce by then so it's either he signs with Mercedes or he doesn't have a drive.
> If he's not on the podium he's not gonna bother. U know dis. Yeah, I remember in 2009 when he called it quits after he didn't score a podium in the first nine races. Oh wait...
U know dis
It’s pretty obvious he wants to help the recovery process. I don’t know if Mercedes will allow him to stay if the driver situations at other teams change and someone’s contract breakdown or a clause gets activated and triggers a domino effect on the grid. Otherwise he’s staying there for a while yet.