I've just read that nico rosberg got 10 sec time penalty at 2016 british gp bc of instruction how to fix his gearbox, do they still enforce that these days?
I remember reading a quote from an F1 driver - I think Denny Hulme - saying he didn't need to do practice laps, because its a race car not a race horse. Can anyone point me in the right direction to track this down? Ta.
Instead of binning a car into the wall like Renault did in Crashgate, couldn't you just fail the car so it stops on track forcing a safety car?
A lot cheaper, plus its probably possible to fail the car remotely, or in some other planned way, without the driver knowing, reducing the chance for anyone blowing the whistle?
Teams cannot make changes to the car remotely under the technical regulations, so you'd have several breaches of the regulations - running illegal software and hardware to enable remote changes to be made, having the team make changes remotely, and then also manipulating the race by stopping the car on top of all of that.
A pre-planned failure would probably not be a particularly useful thing to manipulate a race, since a team couldn't control exactly when it happened.
In all cases, enough people would have to be involved that somebody would find out eventually.
Crashgate kind of also required precision in exactly where the car crashed, not just when. In that instance, it had to be at a corner without a crane. That means building in a mechanical failure -- putting a bad valve in an old engine, knowing it'll fail in 25-ish laps -- lacks accuracy in two vectors.
It is only this season (?) that all the helmet manufacturers can have the helmet cam. I think the camera itself was made/integrated by one manufacturer.
I remember reading that teams were testing a device of same size and weight in their crash hats in the devo phases.
No help answering your question, though.
From what I gathered they all do. I just got to watch Bahrain and they mentioned a few times you can pick whatever driver and watch through their cam, hear their radio, etc. I’m brand new to F1 though so how that works, I don’t know. Something about a red button I assume is on a different app than what I was on.
I’ve got F1 TV and noticed if I rode with Alonso it would rotate to his helmet cam but if I chose other drivers it wouldn’t. Just curious if there is a way to tell which drivers have that option
The Red button is for Sky Glass customers in England and maybe other places as well, just not the US.
Thank Crofty for hammering that information into my brain every race.
2012 is the best one, also 07,08,09,10,17,18,03
In general I recommend you watch the season reviews, they're interesting even if the seasons weren't as interesting (they're on YouTube, usually 3 hours long which is better than watching all of the races in full as not every one is a banger)
I suggest watching the season reviews on youtube rather than whole races. The season reviews are quite comprehensive by themselves and provides more than an adequate summary of the season.
'21, '12, '08, and '07 are ones I can attest to. '17 and '18 are also a good idea, there is a very well done recap by a YouTube channel called Floz. They also made the excellent Silver War documentary about 2016 Mercedes which isn't on YouTube but can be found elsewhere.
There are no privateers in Formula 1. The Concorde Agreement prohibits them under the normal understanding of 'privateer'. The closest thing to privateer teams in top-level racing, I think, are the LMH hypercar boutique entries Glickenhaus and potentially Isotta Fraschini. But those aren't quite privateers either.
I wouldn't call any team a privateer anymore, it's not a few blokes building a chassis in their shed and racing at a few select races anymore, they're a customer team like Williams & Mclaren (both who started as privateers in the sport) - they are owned by Stroll consortium, who also bought majority voting rights in the car company holdings - to rename racing point to Aston Martin Racing. All with the purpose of being an advertising board for the brand and building up an engineering arm to compete with Mercedes, Sauber (Alfa), McLaren and Red Bull Technologies. I'd add Williams to the list but they sold their advanced engineering company to continue racing - before they had to sell the family business.
They also don't have a works deal for engines, as like the name sake car company - both are using Mercedes engines.
The individual team cars design plays a role, as some cars struggle with warming the tires up to working temperature and keeping them there over a race distance - as we saw both Mercedes and Ferrari struggle with keeping the tires alive during Bahrain GP.
Additional the actual tarmac used for building the circuit is also important, as this will cause different wear, handling and temperature characteristics for the same compounds in similar conditions.
Patriots-Mercedes, former dominant team with one of the biggest fanbases who aren’t as good as they used to be, but still a decent team
Cowboys-Ferrari, next year is always their year
49ers-McLaren, big historic team who haven’t won a championship in a long time and have had some poor seasons in recent memory, but still are one of the more popular teams and have been improving again recently, but still without another championship
I suppose Williams could be compared to the Lions, Browns or Bears? Teams that haven’t been good for a very long time, and have been poor for so long even fans of other teams cheer for them sometimes to get a good result?
I was thinking their improvement from their 2015 & 2016 seasons to now was most similar to McLaren having poor seasons around that time to being the third/fourth best team the last couple years but it’s not a perfect comparison
>I suppose Williams could be compared to the Lions, Browns or Bears?
Definitely more Bears than Browns. Despite their recent performances, Williams are still one of the most successful teams in the history of the sport, and produced some absolutely unbeatable cars in their more successful seasons
To add on, I would say red bull is like KC. New shinny driver/QB who is killing it as of lately.
Haas would be like a… panthers? Seems appropriate. Was kinda good for one or two seasons and that’s it
Is there a way to see how a team is using their budget? Like they had an engine go on them, that’s 500k. The salaries of everyone and the racers, etc. I’m curious to know why there is a salary cap but only 3 teams seem to dominate
There isn't a salary cap - there's a spending cap for specific F1 related engineering R&D activities, which means maybe you're working on F1 car design or integration 6 months of the year, but the remaining are for an engineering division with isn't specifically related to your teams own F1 effort.
The F1 team is a specific department in the companies and only the teams and FIA know the actual numbers of those specific efforts - [the overall turnover and total money coming in and spent is available for the 7 UK based teams](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/t7ucua/-/hzkch2x) - the Mercedes Grand Prix limited had a turnover of £380m in 2021, of which roughly £120m were related to the spending cap. Red Bull Racing, which is a subsidiary of Red Bull Technologies and fully dedicated to their F1 efforts had a turnover of £250m in 2021, meaning the additional costs of roughly £130m aren't related to anything under the same spending cap for developing their 2021 contender.
While Haas and Williams with their F1 centric companies didn't even hit £100m turnover.
Also, engines are exempt of the cap, as there's a maximum price fixed for leasing an engine since 2014, customer teams don't have access to the engines outside of formal events that are clarified with FIA and their supplier ahead of time.
Mostly because the best engineers go to winning teams, if pay is equal due to salary cap. Plus the salary cap and wind tunnel time need a few years to really start evening the teams out, iirc its only been 2 since it was implemented.
Not really I don’t think so. I think also reported before like some teams dont even reach the cap like Haas(?). Prolly difference in facilities as well
Btw, driver salaries are not part of the cap, power unit as well.
Sure but power unit components has a fixed allocation throughout the season. If a driver(allocation is per driver/car) goes over it they’d get grid penalties.
The cars were supposed to be 0.5s slower, after the floor & diffuser height changes made by FIA and mandatory rear suspension increases if a car exceeds a specific osculation value (porpoising) with the new sensor - it's possible it's there, but hidden by other underlaying issues with the car. And considering everyone was faster this year than the last.
It's based on team/car order. The FIA uses an official order of teams and drivers that is based on the previous year's final standings. Garage order in the pit lane is also based on this order. If multiple driver wants the same number, priority is based on that. Whichever driver is ranked highest gets the number.
Everyone already seems annoyed over the Red Bull dominance on the grid. How quickly did people feel this way about Mercedes when they started to dominate every season?
During 2014 really really fast, because it was such an insane and unbridgeable gap due to engine power difference and the engine token system meant you couldn’t do much about it. 2014-2016 Mercedes won 51 out of 59 races
In a way the 2026 regs are already going to be a reset for RB, they need to come up with a brand new engine design without existing IP.
That's a stretch of potentially 4 dominant years until the regulations change and if they somehow overcome the insane challenge of losing Honda, design a new competitive engine, and somehow manage to remain on top, I think it's going to be pretty hard to call for intervention for another year or three after that.
I´ve seen the cars have something (a camera?) mounted on top that makes them asymmetrical. Why not have the same piece in the other side? Doesnt it affects aerodynamics? I know there have been asymmetrical cars in the past but I dont know if in this case is something regulated or the teams prefer it this way
Just rewatched some of the Brawn GP story around the double diffuser. Are there any examples where engineers have found loopholes that made a big difference that you particularly like? (Not hidden ones that may or may have not been illegal, more those that pushed the rules)
[Here](https://youtu.be/rnIjQC08qKk) is a video from F1 themselves that goes through time and looks at when teams were able to find some loopholes in the rules and make some interesting innovations
Brabham BT46B aka the infamous "fan car". Ground effect was going full swing that year and Lotus was the king. So for the Swedish GP, the B variant of the BT46 was introduced, which featured a huge-ass fan at the back. Officially to help cooling, technically to suck air out from under the car, forcing the ground effect. They qualified 2nd and 3rd, with Lauda stating that they fought as hard as the could not to get pole position, because they didn't want people to know its true potential before the race. Lauda won the race by over half a minute, still claiming that he was basically just cruising with the car.
To everyone's surprise, the car was deemed legal after the race and the "cooling" claim was accepted by the FIA. Ecclestone (then team owner of Brabham) knew that this will upset the other teams, so he withdrew the car and returned to the original "standard" variant. See Ecclestone was also the head of the Constructor's Association, playing the political game, as such he didn't want to make basically every other team his enemy. He almost surely (though never confirmed) expected the FIA to ban the car, thus coming out of the story as the guy whose team did something phenomenal that was too good and got banned, instead he became the dude who was literally too scared to win, because he choose politics and personal power over winning.
F and S-Duct initially popularized by Ferrari & McLaren, banned (as McLaren drivers had du move their hands), but later developed to a passive [system and integrated to front wings](https://www.racecar-engineering.com/tech-explained/f1-s-duct/). Further developed to blow the rear wing [i.e. Mercedes managing to blow their rear wing DRS](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1111684).
[FRIC, by Mercedes](https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/fric.html), but also used by a few other teams since 1990s.
Rediscovery of trick rear suspension used [by Mercedes - especially noticeable in 2021](https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-mercedes-suspension-trick/), that most teams have used in one or other form since mid 1990s.
Tuned dampeners, which have been used in many forms i.e. J Dampener and the [T-Tray Dampener used by most teams](https://redd.it/tgg70b)
DAS activation was a creative interpretation of steering wheel movement in 2 dimensions allowing an active system controlled by the driver
From the top of my head from the past decade.
Is there any athlete outside F1 or motorsport in general that has a similar "Public Perception" shift like Seb Vettel?
Where the athlete at first is seen as entitled/arrogant and unanimously hated, and then become to be seen as wise old man that is unanimously loved during the later/final stage of their career?
Charles Barkley was genuinely loathed by a lot of people as a player. As a pundit, he's almost universally beloved. This shift hasn't happened to Draymond Green yet, but it will. JJ Reddick is another guy who people hated for his arrogance and came around on as he aged, then retired.
It's tough to say in football because international competition and club competition loyalties often get crossways with each other. The closest I can get here is Andrea Pirlo, but I'm not Italian. I expect there was quite a lot of friction in Italy as he moved from Inter to Milan to Juventus.
I love Charles Barkley. Barkley was an incredible player. Much better than Dray. But Dray is one of the smartest players ever to play the game. He has an eye for movement and space both offensively and defensively that very, very few players have. He's going to be an incredible pundit. Elite communicator who sees things no one else does. He'd be a great pundit, but he could also be an excellent coach, I think, if he can stop fighting his teammates.
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Don't forget that Personal Trainers are 23 race weekend staff. That's 70 or so flights a year (going off of Kym Illman's numbers). On top of that I'd wager they cover a lot of the driver's "free time" between races, too.
BrrrakeF1, a former engineer, says that when you work in motorsport working out the numbers you're working every day or week "isn't productive".
Good on his old PT for putting his family first. Divorce is very common in F1.
How involved are Aston Martin (the wider car company) in the F1 team? Did they just buy the team and tell them to paint it green? Or do they actually get involved in the engineering/management etc?
It's kind of the other way around. Lawrence Stroll bought Force India when it went into administration and set about trying to build the team up to make it more successful. However, the money he was putting into it was essentially wasted, there was no real return on that investment.
So his consortium bought a 16.7% stake in the Aston Martin car company and re-branded the team. Now any money that he invests into the team has a cross-promotional benefit for the car company he also has a commercial interest in. The cache of being called Aston Martin has also helped them obtain big sponsors like Aramco and Cognizant, limiting the amount that he has to invest to get AMR to the cost cap. Win-Win.
This mutual benefit can be seen from just the opening round of the season, [with Aston Martin's share price rising 15%](https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-2-9-billion-worth-lawrence-stroll-preparing-to-rain-money-for-aston-martin-to-f1-championships/#:~:text=Fernando%20Alonso%E2%80%99s%20podium%20saw%20Aston%20Martin%E2%80%99s%20share%20price%20surge%2C%20netting%20the%20company%20an%20additional%20%24300%20Million%20on%20its%20market%20cap). It's something I really wish Dorilton would do for Williams.
Just a name. The two companies somewhat share ownership and the fate of one affects the other. I agree it's not like other car companies in F1 but neither does the relationship have any resemblance to a sponsorship deal (like Alfa Romeo for example).
Officially AM F1 is not owned by AM (car manufacturer). Both are owned by the conglomerate that’s headed by Stroll sr (not thr biggest investor afaik, Toto also has some shares and so does Daimler).
The AM F1 team does not receive any money from AM for putting their name on the car.
Yes indirectly. The own a part of the conglomerate that holds both AM (car manufacturer) and AM F1 afaik
How do you think the Pink Mercedes happened? Mercedes have been extremely close to RP/AM since Stroll took over.
>Yes indirectly. The own a part of the conglomerate that holds both AM (car manufacturer) and AM F1 afaik
that sounds like massive conflict of interest lol, thats legal in f1??
>How do you think the Pink Mercedes happened? Mercedes have been extremely close to RP/AM since Stroll took over.
I dunno, I just figured AM were a new team and bought as much as possible from Mercedes for convenience (hq locations maybe close, I dunno)
Yes, and somebody pointed out Wolff and MB own shares in AM, but not in AM F1. That’s separate, the only thing connecting them is Stroll has shares in AM and AM F1.
Anyone know where Ted Kravitz is today? No mention on the broadcast.
Do they not give fastest lap extra points? The F1 app shows Zhou has zero points but had the fastest lap
You have to be in the top 10 to be given the point.
Ohhhh I did not know that, thanks! That's kinda lame but I guess I get why
I've just read that nico rosberg got 10 sec time penalty at 2016 british gp bc of instruction how to fix his gearbox, do they still enforce that these days?
No those radio restriction rules were scrapped midway through 2016. It was probably one of the dumbest F1 rules I've ever seen.
I remember reading a quote from an F1 driver - I think Denny Hulme - saying he didn't need to do practice laps, because its a race car not a race horse. Can anyone point me in the right direction to track this down? Ta.
Instead of binning a car into the wall like Renault did in Crashgate, couldn't you just fail the car so it stops on track forcing a safety car? A lot cheaper, plus its probably possible to fail the car remotely, or in some other planned way, without the driver knowing, reducing the chance for anyone blowing the whistle?
Teams cannot make changes to the car remotely under the technical regulations, so you'd have several breaches of the regulations - running illegal software and hardware to enable remote changes to be made, having the team make changes remotely, and then also manipulating the race by stopping the car on top of all of that. A pre-planned failure would probably not be a particularly useful thing to manipulate a race, since a team couldn't control exactly when it happened. In all cases, enough people would have to be involved that somebody would find out eventually.
Crashgate kind of also required precision in exactly where the car crashed, not just when. In that instance, it had to be at a corner without a crane. That means building in a mechanical failure -- putting a bad valve in an old engine, knowing it'll fail in 25-ish laps -- lacks accuracy in two vectors.
Is there a list of drivers than have helmet cams each weekend? Do they all have them this year?
It is only this season (?) that all the helmet manufacturers can have the helmet cam. I think the camera itself was made/integrated by one manufacturer. I remember reading that teams were testing a device of same size and weight in their crash hats in the devo phases. No help answering your question, though.
From what I gathered they all do. I just got to watch Bahrain and they mentioned a few times you can pick whatever driver and watch through their cam, hear their radio, etc. I’m brand new to F1 though so how that works, I don’t know. Something about a red button I assume is on a different app than what I was on.
I’ve got F1 TV and noticed if I rode with Alonso it would rotate to his helmet cam but if I chose other drivers it wouldn’t. Just curious if there is a way to tell which drivers have that option
The Red button is for Sky Glass customers in England and maybe other places as well, just not the US. Thank Crofty for hammering that information into my brain every race.
You can view multiple cameras/screens on F1 TV
I think they all record every angle, but they can only live broadcast a limited set of cameras?
Recently started watching F1, which are the best seasons to rewatch?
The most recently exciting is 2021 don't think we'll get a season like that again in a while
2012 is the best one, also 07,08,09,10,17,18,03 In general I recommend you watch the season reviews, they're interesting even if the seasons weren't as interesting (they're on YouTube, usually 3 hours long which is better than watching all of the races in full as not every one is a banger)
I suggest watching the season reviews on youtube rather than whole races. The season reviews are quite comprehensive by themselves and provides more than an adequate summary of the season.
Can you link one? I’m digging on YT and can only find meme videos…
[2007](https://youtu.be/mIdiv_GJkiw), [2009](https://youtu.be/_CiJg_5H-6Q)
'21, '12, '08, and '07 are ones I can attest to. '17 and '18 are also a good idea, there is a very well done recap by a YouTube channel called Floz. They also made the excellent Silver War documentary about 2016 Mercedes which isn't on YouTube but can be found elsewhere.
Thanks! I started watching ‘21, so I think ‘12 is the one I will start with as it seems pretty unanimous that it’s a good one
Do Aston Martin count as a privateer or not?
There are no privateers in Formula 1. The Concorde Agreement prohibits them under the normal understanding of 'privateer'. The closest thing to privateer teams in top-level racing, I think, are the LMH hypercar boutique entries Glickenhaus and potentially Isotta Fraschini. But those aren't quite privateers either.
I wouldn't call any team a privateer anymore, it's not a few blokes building a chassis in their shed and racing at a few select races anymore, they're a customer team like Williams & Mclaren (both who started as privateers in the sport) - they are owned by Stroll consortium, who also bought majority voting rights in the car company holdings - to rename racing point to Aston Martin Racing. All with the purpose of being an advertising board for the brand and building up an engineering arm to compete with Mercedes, Sauber (Alfa), McLaren and Red Bull Technologies. I'd add Williams to the list but they sold their advanced engineering company to continue racing - before they had to sell the family business. They also don't have a works deal for engines, as like the name sake car company - both are using Mercedes engines.
New to F1. Do night races have lower tyre degradation? Are there other factors apart from track temperature that affect tyre degradation?
The individual team cars design plays a role, as some cars struggle with warming the tires up to working temperature and keeping them there over a race distance - as we saw both Mercedes and Ferrari struggle with keeping the tires alive during Bahrain GP. Additional the actual tarmac used for building the circuit is also important, as this will cause different wear, handling and temperature characteristics for the same compounds in similar conditions.
Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it!
If you had to compare each current F1 team to an NFL team of the past or present, what would the comparisons be?
Patriots-Mercedes, former dominant team with one of the biggest fanbases who aren’t as good as they used to be, but still a decent team Cowboys-Ferrari, next year is always their year 49ers-McLaren, big historic team who haven’t won a championship in a long time and have had some poor seasons in recent memory, but still are one of the more popular teams and have been improving again recently, but still without another championship I suppose Williams could be compared to the Lions, Browns or Bears? Teams that haven’t been good for a very long time, and have been poor for so long even fans of other teams cheer for them sometimes to get a good result?
The niners have been great or even better than expected in recent seasons...
I was thinking their improvement from their 2015 & 2016 seasons to now was most similar to McLaren having poor seasons around that time to being the third/fourth best team the last couple years but it’s not a perfect comparison
>I suppose Williams could be compared to the Lions, Browns or Bears? Definitely more Bears than Browns. Despite their recent performances, Williams are still one of the most successful teams in the history of the sport, and produced some absolutely unbeatable cars in their more successful seasons
Do you think the Browns haven't had past success?
Not in the Super Bowl Era - I will admit my knowledge pre-Superbowl is pretty shaky.
To add on, I would say red bull is like KC. New shinny driver/QB who is killing it as of lately. Haas would be like a… panthers? Seems appropriate. Was kinda good for one or two seasons and that’s it
Is there a way to see how a team is using their budget? Like they had an engine go on them, that’s 500k. The salaries of everyone and the racers, etc. I’m curious to know why there is a salary cap but only 3 teams seem to dominate
There isn't a salary cap - there's a spending cap for specific F1 related engineering R&D activities, which means maybe you're working on F1 car design or integration 6 months of the year, but the remaining are for an engineering division with isn't specifically related to your teams own F1 effort. The F1 team is a specific department in the companies and only the teams and FIA know the actual numbers of those specific efforts - [the overall turnover and total money coming in and spent is available for the 7 UK based teams](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/t7ucua/-/hzkch2x) - the Mercedes Grand Prix limited had a turnover of £380m in 2021, of which roughly £120m were related to the spending cap. Red Bull Racing, which is a subsidiary of Red Bull Technologies and fully dedicated to their F1 efforts had a turnover of £250m in 2021, meaning the additional costs of roughly £130m aren't related to anything under the same spending cap for developing their 2021 contender. While Haas and Williams with their F1 centric companies didn't even hit £100m turnover. Also, engines are exempt of the cap, as there's a maximum price fixed for leasing an engine since 2014, customer teams don't have access to the engines outside of formal events that are clarified with FIA and their supplier ahead of time.
The salary cap is brand-new. It will take several years for it (and the wind tunnel regulations) to have a meaningful effect.
Mostly because the best engineers go to winning teams, if pay is equal due to salary cap. Plus the salary cap and wind tunnel time need a few years to really start evening the teams out, iirc its only been 2 since it was implemented.
Not really I don’t think so. I think also reported before like some teams dont even reach the cap like Haas(?). Prolly difference in facilities as well Btw, driver salaries are not part of the cap, power unit as well.
Ohhhhh I didn’t know drivers and power units aren’t part of it. So if a company had enough money they could be throwing in new engines every race.
Sure but power unit components has a fixed allocation throughout the season. If a driver(allocation is per driver/car) goes over it they’d get grid penalties.
Anyone recall what happened to Merc's loophole they said they found last year which was reported to be good for 4 tenth's on average?
The cars were supposed to be 0.5s slower, after the floor & diffuser height changes made by FIA and mandatory rear suspension increases if a car exceeds a specific osculation value (porpoising) with the new sensor - it's possible it's there, but hidden by other underlaying issues with the car. And considering everyone was faster this year than the last.
I think you mean the “40%” more downforce story. I believe that was just some bs to force the new rules of higher floor edges.
Who's to say that their current performance does not include that extra 4 tenths?
Suppose multiple rookies want to claim the same driver number. How do they decide who gets it?
It's based on team/car order. The FIA uses an official order of teams and drivers that is based on the previous year's final standings. Garage order in the pit lane is also based on this order. If multiple driver wants the same number, priority is based on that. Whichever driver is ranked highest gets the number.
I think the WCC team has a say which garage they want, and then the other teams in the championship are arranged around?
From that, if, say, Oscar and Logan had both wanted 81, Oscar would get it because McLaren finished ahead of Williams. Yes?
Everyone already seems annoyed over the Red Bull dominance on the grid. How quickly did people feel this way about Mercedes when they started to dominate every season?
During 2014 really really fast, because it was such an insane and unbridgeable gap due to engine power difference and the engine token system meant you couldn’t do much about it. 2014-2016 Mercedes won 51 out of 59 races
And Perez isn't Rosberg, so it's not even gonna be interesting on an intra-team front
I dont get why mercs run is suddenly seen as boring merc had 2 wdcs racing each other lol, like come on that was worth a watch
Well lets just hope they dont take 7 years to make the top team weaker on purpose like they did with Mercedes.
In a way the 2026 regs are already going to be a reset for RB, they need to come up with a brand new engine design without existing IP. That's a stretch of potentially 4 dominant years until the regulations change and if they somehow overcome the insane challenge of losing Honda, design a new competitive engine, and somehow manage to remain on top, I think it's going to be pretty hard to call for intervention for another year or three after that.
Thankfully we have new regs in 26 anyways
I´ve seen the cars have something (a camera?) mounted on top that makes them asymmetrical. Why not have the same piece in the other side? Doesnt it affects aerodynamics? I know there have been asymmetrical cars in the past but I dont know if in this case is something regulated or the teams prefer it this way
It's regulated to be there. It's asymmetric and it does affect the aero but it's the same for everyone.
Just rewatched some of the Brawn GP story around the double diffuser. Are there any examples where engineers have found loopholes that made a big difference that you particularly like? (Not hidden ones that may or may have not been illegal, more those that pushed the rules)
[Here](https://youtu.be/rnIjQC08qKk) is a video from F1 themselves that goes through time and looks at when teams were able to find some loopholes in the rules and make some interesting innovations
Blown diffuser and how RB kept finding ways to go around the rules banning it between 2010-2013.
Brabham BT46B aka the infamous "fan car". Ground effect was going full swing that year and Lotus was the king. So for the Swedish GP, the B variant of the BT46 was introduced, which featured a huge-ass fan at the back. Officially to help cooling, technically to suck air out from under the car, forcing the ground effect. They qualified 2nd and 3rd, with Lauda stating that they fought as hard as the could not to get pole position, because they didn't want people to know its true potential before the race. Lauda won the race by over half a minute, still claiming that he was basically just cruising with the car. To everyone's surprise, the car was deemed legal after the race and the "cooling" claim was accepted by the FIA. Ecclestone (then team owner of Brabham) knew that this will upset the other teams, so he withdrew the car and returned to the original "standard" variant. See Ecclestone was also the head of the Constructor's Association, playing the political game, as such he didn't want to make basically every other team his enemy. He almost surely (though never confirmed) expected the FIA to ban the car, thus coming out of the story as the guy whose team did something phenomenal that was too good and got banned, instead he became the dude who was literally too scared to win, because he choose politics and personal power over winning.
F and S-Duct initially popularized by Ferrari & McLaren, banned (as McLaren drivers had du move their hands), but later developed to a passive [system and integrated to front wings](https://www.racecar-engineering.com/tech-explained/f1-s-duct/). Further developed to blow the rear wing [i.e. Mercedes managing to blow their rear wing DRS](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1111684). [FRIC, by Mercedes](https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/fric.html), but also used by a few other teams since 1990s. Rediscovery of trick rear suspension used [by Mercedes - especially noticeable in 2021](https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-mercedes-suspension-trick/), that most teams have used in one or other form since mid 1990s. Tuned dampeners, which have been used in many forms i.e. J Dampener and the [T-Tray Dampener used by most teams](https://redd.it/tgg70b) DAS activation was a creative interpretation of steering wheel movement in 2 dimensions allowing an active system controlled by the driver From the top of my head from the past decade.
Love these! Thanks for the links too, that’s quite some memory from the top of your head!
Is there any athlete outside F1 or motorsport in general that has a similar "Public Perception" shift like Seb Vettel? Where the athlete at first is seen as entitled/arrogant and unanimously hated, and then become to be seen as wise old man that is unanimously loved during the later/final stage of their career?
Charles Barkley was genuinely loathed by a lot of people as a player. As a pundit, he's almost universally beloved. This shift hasn't happened to Draymond Green yet, but it will. JJ Reddick is another guy who people hated for his arrogance and came around on as he aged, then retired. It's tough to say in football because international competition and club competition loyalties often get crossways with each other. The closest I can get here is Andrea Pirlo, but I'm not Italian. I expect there was quite a lot of friction in Italy as he moved from Inter to Milan to Juventus.
Draymond is the new chuck barkley in terms of personality in my opinion. He will be a great pundit if he decided to go that way.
I love Charles Barkley. Barkley was an incredible player. Much better than Dray. But Dray is one of the smartest players ever to play the game. He has an eye for movement and space both offensively and defensively that very, very few players have. He's going to be an incredible pundit. Elite communicator who sees things no one else does. He'd be a great pundit, but he could also be an excellent coach, I think, if he can stop fighting his teammates.
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Does anyone know why Yuki changed PT to Michael Italiano?
If I remember correctly his old PT had a child and wanted to spend more time with family, so Yuki needed a new PT
Don't forget that Personal Trainers are 23 race weekend staff. That's 70 or so flights a year (going off of Kym Illman's numbers). On top of that I'd wager they cover a lot of the driver's "free time" between races, too. BrrrakeF1, a former engineer, says that when you work in motorsport working out the numbers you're working every day or week "isn't productive". Good on his old PT for putting his family first. Divorce is very common in F1.
How involved are Aston Martin (the wider car company) in the F1 team? Did they just buy the team and tell them to paint it green? Or do they actually get involved in the engineering/management etc?
It's kind of the other way around. Lawrence Stroll bought Force India when it went into administration and set about trying to build the team up to make it more successful. However, the money he was putting into it was essentially wasted, there was no real return on that investment. So his consortium bought a 16.7% stake in the Aston Martin car company and re-branded the team. Now any money that he invests into the team has a cross-promotional benefit for the car company he also has a commercial interest in. The cache of being called Aston Martin has also helped them obtain big sponsors like Aramco and Cognizant, limiting the amount that he has to invest to get AMR to the cost cap. Win-Win. This mutual benefit can be seen from just the opening round of the season, [with Aston Martin's share price rising 15%](https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-2-9-billion-worth-lawrence-stroll-preparing-to-rain-money-for-aston-martin-to-f1-championships/#:~:text=Fernando%20Alonso%E2%80%99s%20podium%20saw%20Aston%20Martin%E2%80%99s%20share%20price%20surge%2C%20netting%20the%20company%20an%20additional%20%24300%20Million%20on%20its%20market%20cap). It's something I really wish Dorilton would do for Williams.
Glorified sponsor.
AM don't pay AM F1 to put their name on the car.
But they are also not doing anything to help the F1 team. Its Racing Point with a coat of paint.
You might as well say it's Jordan with 5 coats of paint at that rate.
Just a name. The two companies somewhat share ownership and the fate of one affects the other. I agree it's not like other car companies in F1 but neither does the relationship have any resemblance to a sponsorship deal (like Alfa Romeo for example).
Officially AM F1 is not owned by AM (car manufacturer). Both are owned by the conglomerate that’s headed by Stroll sr (not thr biggest investor afaik, Toto also has some shares and so does Daimler). The AM F1 team does not receive any money from AM for putting their name on the car.
Wolff and Daimler have shares in AMF1?
Yes indirectly. The own a part of the conglomerate that holds both AM (car manufacturer) and AM F1 afaik How do you think the Pink Mercedes happened? Mercedes have been extremely close to RP/AM since Stroll took over.
>Yes indirectly. The own a part of the conglomerate that holds both AM (car manufacturer) and AM F1 afaik that sounds like massive conflict of interest lol, thats legal in f1?? >How do you think the Pink Mercedes happened? Mercedes have been extremely close to RP/AM since Stroll took over. I dunno, I just figured AM were a new team and bought as much as possible from Mercedes for convenience (hq locations maybe close, I dunno)
Well, RB own both RBR and AT. So it’s not really unheard of
oh right, totally forgot, thanks I guess from a legal perspective its similar then
Yes, and somebody pointed out Wolff and MB own shares in AM, but not in AM F1. That’s separate, the only thing connecting them is Stroll has shares in AM and AM F1.