They're temporary buildings, [which are removed when the race weekend is done and dusted](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco-pitlane.jpg).
There’s actually never been a focused sauber episode. They’re the only team. The closest was the “next generation” episode in s1 with leclerc and gasly (and secondarily Ericsson and Singapore). And a couple min of gio FaceTiming family once.
It made sense when it was kimi but imo last year with vasseur and bottas was a huge missed opp! And at this point every other team has had multiple dedicated feature episodes.
Went to a historic F1 race event and there was the S500 raced by Alan Jones, the 1983 Benneton sponsored Tyrell 012 that was driven by Michele Alboreto, another notable historic F1 car there was the 1985 Ferrari 156/85, also driven by Michele Alboreto that year, but the sound, the sound of that car was spectacular, you could hear the car buckling under boost and spitting flames from the huge turbo's, it was truly mad, however in typical Ferrari fashion it blew up 2 laps into the race, then shat itself again the next race 💀
Going to invest in a tiny violin to learn to play for Mercedes. Their open letter is hilariously ridiculous; they've shown more domination from 2014 to 2020 than your average party at Max Moseley's, and yet they've had one bad race this year and they're acting as if they've never had it so bad. The only thing I agree with is the "stop being cunts on Twitter', otherwise they should just suck it up.
Why were old F1 tracks so long? I know the reason why they're mostly between 4-6 km long nowadays are because they wouldn't need as much safety marshalls and medics to quickly cover every part of the track, and because they do more laps so the attendees see more cars pass by.
The old Hockenheim was brilliant, cutting through the forest. Have you ever been to Brands Hatch? There's the mystique around the cars disappearing into the forest and coming out in a different order.
A lot of the old ones, like Pescara or Reims, were public roads linked together in interesting racing configurations. Formula 1 didn't become the dominant racing series until the 1970s or 1980s, and a lot of their racing in the earlier days happened on tracks that were designed for other kinds of racing. F1 raced at Sebring, for example, but Sebring was designed for sportscar endurance races.
Does anyone else get infuriated when people post 2D maps, as if the Z-axis doesn't matter. F1, itself it quite good about showing the 3D map with Z-axis on the live broadcasts, but people debating corners/chicanes here ...
... thumbs down if you use a 2D map as I relegate you to the bin of "hasn't really thought about it."
Just watch races, and when you realize that you're on the edge of your seat watching one guy try to sneak into the points, accept that that's your guy and your team. It's like flipping a coin. When you flip a coin to make a decision, when it's in the air you'll find yourself hoping it comes down on one side or another; that's the one you should pick. Just let it happen. Don't pick anything. The heart wants what it wants.
I'm one of the DTS newbies, though this is my 3rd full season of watching. lol
But the first season of DTS i watched was Season 3...then 1 and 2. And it seemed like every team got an episode.
So I don't have a team I root for -- i dabbled with McLaren, but it was brief. I generally like underdogs, so I'll enjoy a resurgence from some teams, but it doesn't mean I'll keep it up next season.
And I don't really dislike any drivers...so I basically enjoy most of the weekend no matter what.
I did give myself some 'fan goals' last season. Pretty low bar items - though they don't all work out. Last season, it was just - watch Mick get some points, watch Danny Ric rebound. 1 out of 2.
This season it's - Watch Yuki beat DeVries, Watch Haas get 7th, Watch Lewis get a win.
I already think I'm headed for a 1 out of 3 season...but we'll see.
I started regularly watching around 2011. Been watching it prior to that but just occassionally. So that time I did really follow the season, I just bandwagoned myself to the current WDC, which was Seb. Since then was just following him whatever team he goes to.
I didn't ever really "pick a team", I just gravitate towards drivers who I like for their driving style, personality and whatnot.
That said F1 is perfectly enjoyable without picking a specific team. Just enjoy the racing, and eventually you'll start noticing who you do and don't like and end up rooting for them. It's how I started out as a kid all the way back in the '90s. Aside from those from my own country, I recall Fisichella as the first driver I genuinely rooted for, and always found myself hoping the teams he or Dutch folks drove for would do well.
Now I obviously like Red Bull/Max, and in addition to that I like what Aston Martin's been doing and I got a soft spot for Alfa Romeo due to their style.
just a random observation. Why is the Bahrain track always represented in outline form with the long straight at the bottom of the outline like it's the southernmost part of the track while it is in fact the eastern edge of the track? This is the only track I noticed so far with this re-orientation in some outline visuals. I dont think ive ever seen Bahrain represented in outline form in its actual geographical orientation
This goes for most tracks with a large straight. Barcelona's main straight is also on its east side, same with Shanghai and Canada, while Zandvoort for example has its straight on the west side. Spa is also rotated 90 degrees in most representations.
Really, they just tend to pick the looks on "Main straight should be on the bottom side, and work from there" where Interlagos is the main exception because that track kind of lacks a true straight in the same vein given its curved nature.
I’m sure Alonso wasn’t remotely as obsessed with Ocon as Ocon was with him but if we include how he was treated by the management, I do wonder how nice it feels to know that he’ll probably finish ahead of the Alpines no matter what this season.
I still dont get why AM uses Alonso as an experimental mice, even tho he’s way better than Stroll, being the son’s owner doesn’t have to give you such a privilege
To be fair to Ocon though, he's only had a handful of seasons in the sport, whereas Alonso is one of the greats. I'd be no end of chuffed if I'd managed to outscored him over a season.
Oh yeah, I'd give him credit for figuring out how to beat Alonso. Qualify higher and then block him at the start where he is brilliant.
But they weren't what I'd call fair moves exactly.
LOOK AT THAT GRID, MAN. The frickin' Lambo Huracan Evo2 might be the ugliest car on it! Aston Martin Vantage? Gorgeous. Mercedes AMG GT3? Classic. BWM M4? Sploosh. That yellow/black Vasser Sullivan Lexus RC F that's running in IMSA? Amazing. Look at that Porsche 992! It's very Porsche-y! The Corvette C8.R? Absolutely badass. And then you've got the McLaren 720S, the Honda/Acura NSX Evo22, and somehow the 296 outshines all of 'em.
I know it's been asked a few times, but does anyone know what's up with Chain Bear? He's seemingly disappeared. Hope he's ok. Seems like a really good guy.
Started last year watching so pretty new. So can we consider F2 and F3 like minor leagues in Baseball? Ex: Tampa Bay Rays is the MLB team and you have 3 different minor league teams (AAA, AA, A) and a few more. So basically if a player in minor league is doing amazing, then he gets promoted up until he gets called up to Major league. Is it basically the same for F1? Sorry if it’s a bit confusing
In the sense you put it, yes. They are junior series specifically meant to produce future F1 drivers, so if a driver is doing really well they are indeed looking at a possible F1 seat.
Although unlike American stick and ball sports, these teams are not direct affiliates of the F1 teams, nor owned by them. There are some connections that are closer than others (Ferrari - Prema, Renault - ART, Sauber - Charouz), but F1 teams run academies which usually pay for their drivers' spots in F3/F2 in whichever team they find the most beneficial out of the ones available to place their drivers in.
Another big difference is that as far as I know (completely ignorant to baseball though, can only go on basketball here) the best players never actually set foot in the minor leagues, but instead get picked from universities to turn pro immediately with the big boys. In F1 it is a requirement for all drivers to not just race in the lower leagues, but also to finish in a high position in those championships before they are allowed in F1.
In theory yes, if they got the SL points in f3 and other series (FRECA, any of the many F4s) and were over 18. There are some f2 rookies this year like Zane Maloney who have enough SL points from f3 and below, got their SLs without f2, and are now f1 reserve drivers (Red Bull).
You’ll rarely see drivers skip f2 though because f2 is an important intermediate step up. The cars are bigger and faster than f3 and require more physical fitness. It’s the first time the drivers have to deal with routine pit stops and tire strategy (mandatory use of multiple compounds). Fewer safety cars and less chaos in general (though f2 can still be chaotic. F3 is just nutso at times). Introduces more of the staple f1 tracks: Abu Dhabi, this year Melbourne, Jeddah now, Sochi when that was still on the calendar, etc. And stiffer competition since it’s supposed to be mostly the better f3 drivers who got promoted.
You’ll also rarely see it because the f1 academies have juniors at every level, so there’s a sort of queue/order they’re testing them out. F2 is where an f1 team’s most senior juniors coalesce for direct competition and comparison.
Join us in r/F1FeederSeries especially when there’s a race on. It’s a fun, knowledgeable bunch and the live race posts are always a laugh.
Sort of. The FIA runs F2 and an F3 championship (but there are non-FIA F3 series run across the globe, using the same class of car). There is no automatic promotion system from F3 to F2 or from F2 to F1. Drivers that win F2 are barred from competing in future F2 seasons, but that doesn't guarantee they'll be brought into an F1 team. Additionally, it's possible for a driver to be pulled straight from F3 into F1.
For your interest, here is the list of drivers that have graduated from F2 to F1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA\_Formula\_2\_Championship#Drivers\_graduated\_to\_F1
yeah the start of the season is usually very slow with a week break between each GP and this year it's even worse with the 3 week break due to China missing
Could Lance Stroll be a likely reason Max doesn’t win every race this season? Not to say Lance will beat Max, but if the AM is fast enough to put Lance close to Max at the start of the race, well… Lance gets in the way now and then.
But Lance has a bit of a tendency to, you know, just occasionally get in the way. Fernando showed amazing control last weekend while Lance was lucky not to end his teammate’s weekend. (To be fair I was genuinely impressed with Lance’s day and his commitment to being ready to race after his bike accident).
It doesn't need to be Stroll. It's not like Max has 0% of possibilities to win every race. But the percentage is very very low. Nothing similar has ever been achieved, not even by the 1988 McLaren. Only Ascari and Schumacher could have a quite similar shot, but they weren't that close either.
The fact is that it's not very probable that Max doesn't retire or at least come 2nd in 1 of the 22 remaining races. If the car is that dominant, how come Perez never wins? Or how possible really is that Ferrari doesn't even get a win?
AMR seems good now, if they capitalise and develop well Stroll might have a shot at his maiden win, and in a good day he can win a GP.
*Accidentaly posted this in yesterday’s Daily discussion, so hereby a repost*
This question has been playing in my head for a couple of days now, and I cannot seem to come up with an answer.
In Kimi’s ‘gloves and steering wheel’ radio message (don’t think I need to give more context), how could that audio be actually available to us? I mean, he would have had to press the Radio button **on his steering wheel** to make his message clear to the pit wall, which he couldn’t. From waving his hands and the fact that it took so long for the team to react, I suspect the team was in fact, not receiving any radio from him. But how did the audio file become available if he did not broadcast his message himself? Is everything a driver says in the cockpit recorded (just not real-time broadcasted) by the team or the FOM regardless of whether a driver has pressed the Radio button or not?
As the steering wheel is removed when the driver gets in/out of the car and still has to talk with his team - theres a secondary radio button in the chassis for when the wheel is not attached.
This broadcast is part of the regular car <-> pitwall communication and was broadcast on tv.
Not every team member is on the channel with drivers, it's usually their racing engineers team, which is why the people around him didn't react.
How certain are you that this is the case. It could very well be as you say. However, I have never heard any driver, team or pundit mention that there is an ‘extra’ radio button. Hence the doubt ftom my side.
Because there are many [buttons and controls in the cockpit](https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/view-of-the-cockpit-of-a-racing-car-of-the-scuderia-nachrichtenfoto/622152842).
4 visible [buttons in Mercedes last year](https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1545340740821303297/photo/1)
Just thought about this. Piastri could also talk to his engineer while booting his new steering wheel during the last (Bahrain) GP. Which would add evidence to cafk’s reply. I just wonder why this wouldn’t be common knowledge and why we don’t know the placement of this extra radio button.
It’s the audio from the onboard no? Not the radio. Onboards can pick up audio, like when you watch the onboards you can hear the engine, the bouncing, and the surroundings (at least that’s my assumption)
What do you consider to be a difference between the radio and the onboard. In my recollection, they both contain the ambient noise, as well as the actual words spoken by the driver.
Who would you pick for your all stars dream F1 team? - lets start with drivers, pit crew, team principal. Chief analyst and drivers’ race engineers, aeronautics, marketing, PR etc
Kimi and Max, mclaren, red bull, merc pit crew all seem fine, Bravitore or Horner, PR red bull or merc, throw Newey in there somewhere, the other positions I don't know enoug about.
Imagining max and kimi on the same team. Can’t decide if it would be great since they both have similar straightforward dispositions or a bloodbath because they have similar dispositions lol. Either ways, the PR team is going to be kept on their toes
I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Based on that Ferrari post, can someone tell me how Charles leclerc has a relationship with Elkann? Seems weird that he knows the president well enough to get an audience with him or am I overthinking it?
I don’t have any specific knowledge about this, but I imagine he talked with Elkann since Binotto left because he wants guarantees about his future. It could even be Elkann contacted him first. After 2024 Charles is a free agent and I can’t imagine they want him to jump ship. So in this kind off chaotic period is seems smart to keep in contact and keep him happy
Hello everyone!
So this year i'm finally going to my first F1 race in Baku after being a F1 fan for the past 17 years.
So i wanted to ask the people who have been the to Baku or any other GP about what are the things I need to plan ahead of time? What are the things i need to take with me to the race? Is the merch overpriced at the Fan Zone? Also since i will be sitting in the Icheri Sheher stand, will i be able to make it to the podium by the end of the race to see the ceremony?
I starter watching with this season, is there a list og must know things for a fan so I would feel more up to date with everything?
EDIT: I know little to nothing about F1 but first GP was so exciting to watch
so as much as people hate on the Netflix series Drive to Survive, I actually think it's a good starting point. Just keep in mind it's dramatized to some extent (Lando Norris and Carlos Sainz had a bromance and didn't hate each other) but it really does help you get to know the people in the sport.
Good morning all,
Quick question as I boycotted F1 last year, what is the origin of this shirtless reference to RUS? It's everywhere and "at this point, I'm too afraid to ask" meme holds relevance.
Have a nice weekend with friends and family,
PDA
I found the end of the 2021 season such a farce that I withdrew my support. They disregarded a year of Sportsmanship and I voted with my wallet to a similar extent (1 season). Now, I'm back. When I left, RUS didn't have a seat at Merc and this meme didn't exist, hence my precise question, which I get downvoted for.
The mention of the boycott was to impose a "meme didn't exist" and a "meme is common place" temporal spectrum.
Perhaps it's just poor management from the team of RUS that it's become meme-like. But, they might have more data suggesting it's good.
They're not only using those for F1 car development - it's part of their larger engineering effort and department and allows them to grow their applied/advanced/technology divisions which cater services outside of Formula 1.
Mercedes GrandPrix Limited [applied sciences department is responsible for ~£30-50m in turnover](https://www.ft.com/content/8f3b4450-24a9-4438-ae50-7d30ea2a00fc).
Stroll wanted to build up AMR as a services company, like Williams in the past and Sauber since mid 2000s - with Formula 1 being their advertising board of what their engineers can do.
Even with wind tunnels, many teams still face correlation issues. So they definitely can't afford to do away with one. Wind tunnel use may be restricted, but not banned, teams still have a lot of hours allowed by the regs.
Track time is *extremely* limited, and CFD isn't accurate enough on its own, so teams need to compare and match car sensors data, CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel runs to have enough confidence that what they're designing has a point and will work as intended. Otherwise they're just building parts at random.
Wind tunnels also aren't all equal. How consistent they are, what testing possibilities they allow, how fast you can launch runs and get results, etc. can vary (usually, better ones are more expensive ofc). The best ones make it much more easy to get good correlation with reality, and the better your correlation, the easier, faster and more efficient it gets to understand and design a better car.
Some of the other advantages of building a new state of the art wind tunnel next to your base of operation includes cutting down on lead time and logistics costs. McLaren for example have to rent Toyota's wind tunnel, which is based in Cologne, Germany, while they themselves are based in the UK, which naturally introduces some logistical challenges, and they have to accomodate other companies/teams using it themselves. By comparison, teams like Mercedes or Ferrari have theirs pretty much in their backyards and for their personal use (though they rent it out to other teams like Aston Martin and Haas iirc).
It's restricted but it's still a lot of hours you're going to spend there. You want the best wind tunnel you can get to make a good use of those hours.
Just because it's restricted doesn't mean it can't be used.
If anything, fewer runs in a wind tunnel puts more emphasis on having a high quality windu tunnel.
Depends on what you call modern, but Kimi Raikkonen. His father was a road builder and his mother was a county clerk. His dad had to take on extra jobs to fund his son's karting career, and they even had to postpone getting an in-house toilet instead of an outhouse.
I'm not sure, but I think guys like Michael and Ralf Schumacher, and more recently Esteban Ocon, have had similar upbringings, with working class parents sacrificing everything just to get their kids into a racing career.
I don't know about rags but Lewis definitely didn't grow up wealthy, and he's very wealthy now. Alonso grew up middle class.
A lot of the F1 drivers grew up wealthy.
I follow Formula 1 since two years now, and I'd like to watch some "greatest Races" in the past. Maybe some Alonso, Vettel or Schumacher material. Any suggestions?
I used this list to watch some old material. But I highly recommend to just watch the entire 2012 season in full first. After that this list is great (list does not contain spoilers)
https://www.racefans.net/rate-the-race/f1-fanatic-top-100/
All of the 2012 season, it's great even if you know who was the champion. Just don't look up the results of the individual races. If you're going to watch one race from that season I'd say Brazil.
If you want them from the 2000s onward, a short list:
* Valencia 2012, my favourite race ever, the day after the race was my birthday and the result was a great gift. One of the best drives I've ever seen.
* Silverstone 2008, great wet driving skills
* Hockenheim 2019, splendid race from two of the best drivers ever (and special to me because later that night I've met my SO)
* Magny Cours 2004
* Monza 2008, more the qualifying than the actual race
* Monaco 2012, again, more the qualifying than the actual race
* Canada 2011, one of the weirdest races ever
* Imola 2005, a great duel between two legends
If you want to go back before this millennium:
* Donington Park 1993. Probably the best opening lap by a driver ever
* Silverstone 1995
* Spain 1996
* Monaco 1982, one of the weirdest finales to a race
* Anderstorp 1978, the only race which features the best car ever
* Suzuka 1989/90 just to see what was really a mess of an ending to two championships
Someone from the Red Bull Junior team, right now de Vries looks like Hartley 2.0, Zane Maloney had a very good debut in F2, Hauger seems to be in a competitive package too. We will see how Liam Lawson does in Super Formula a pro series.
Pourchaire, maybe. But he would need to keep that ART at the front and IMO not be too close to Martins.
If Theo Pourchaire can keep up his form from the first F2 round then I think it would be very hard for Alfa Romeo/Sauber to deny him a seat in 2024, especially since they are apparently funding most of his drive this year.
I reckon we will also see a Red Bull junior step up next year, but who it is depends on how this year's results go. Lawson, Iwasa and Hauger are the most likely IMO, but Maloney and Hadjar could spring a surprise and jump them in the queue.
As much as I rate Doohan and Martins, I can't see them getting an Alpine seat next year and I don't think Williams are likely to take them as loans. Bearman is exciting but Ferrari have nowhere to put him; Haas aren't gonna take on a rookie again, at least not next year.
Maybe Pourchaire but he is in his 3rd year in F2. Maloney and Bearman look really good as rookies in F2. I feel it will be between Maloney and Iwasa, Hadjar for AT seat
Pourchaire stands a pretty good chance. Probably one of the RB juniors as well, depending how Lawson does in Super Formula and how the horde of them do in F2.
Just how secret are the floors of the car? Is it so secret that even the spy photographers can’t take a picture of them? If so, would it be reasonable to have a rule like having top 3 per race get lifted up a ramp so the floor can be seen? Would that make the field more competitive with their own designs or will that just end up in multiple copies of 1 design?
The shape of the floor was unimportant in the previous generation of cars. Therefore all of each car’s aerodynamic components were on display for the world to see.
That obviously didn’t result in complete parity then, so I have no reason to believe that it would now.
The aerodynamics work as a package on the car and it's unlikely that the floor alone will provide insight. Furthermore, the entire aerodynamics package wouldn't yield that much as it's only part of a total car handling package. There aren't really secrets to be stolen.
Some recent boundaries getting push were front/rear wing deflection that passed FIA testing (great!) but changed shape during the race (also great!!!!!) but that loophole was closed as "moving aero parts" and claimed as a manufacturing defect (lol).
Even if you lift the car and show the floor to other teams (and that already would be horrible from the federation's point of action) just looking at it doesn't grant you anything. In most cases you can't just copy paste the floor to your car, because you'd have to adapt a lot more things (the diffuser for example). Obviously it would be still an advantage, albeit small, to look at them clearly because if someone had a genius idea on the floor (double diffuser type of implementation) you could use that in the future.
I mean, you can take ideas off of it, but it's probably take a long time to implement it/lot of resources since you've to adapt many other things.
With the sidepods it can be the same, in fact Mercedes will have to change some details of the front wing, the floor and the back of the car aerodynamically-wise when they ditch their zero-sidepod phylosophy.
Or like Aston who's implemented both Ferrari and RBR ideas in their sidepods, but it still took a lot of time and they transformed the car almost completely from the very first version of 2022.
In case anyone is wondering, Honda will be returning to F1 in 2026, so I'm not changing my flair, dammit.
Does anyone know for which races will Jenson button commentate this season? He's absolutely superb
It's bracing
What happens to the pit lane building in street circuits when there isn’t a race
They're temporary buildings, [which are removed when the race weekend is done and dusted](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco-pitlane.jpg).
Usually they are like empty spaces like Singapore it’s just there
any reason why there wasn't an episode focused on alfa romeo in drive to survive season 5? Seems like everyone else got an episode
Because they’re not interesting
Aston Martin didn’t have an episode, either this season or last. There also wasn’t a Williams episode this season.
There’s actually never been a focused sauber episode. They’re the only team. The closest was the “next generation” episode in s1 with leclerc and gasly (and secondarily Ericsson and Singapore). And a couple min of gio FaceTiming family once. It made sense when it was kimi but imo last year with vasseur and bottas was a huge missed opp! And at this point every other team has had multiple dedicated feature episodes.
Seems like a missed opportunity not to have an episode on them esp with a chinese driver and fan favourite bottas
Went to a historic F1 race event and there was the S500 raced by Alan Jones, the 1983 Benneton sponsored Tyrell 012 that was driven by Michele Alboreto, another notable historic F1 car there was the 1985 Ferrari 156/85, also driven by Michele Alboreto that year, but the sound, the sound of that car was spectacular, you could hear the car buckling under boost and spitting flames from the huge turbo's, it was truly mad, however in typical Ferrari fashion it blew up 2 laps into the race, then shat itself again the next race 💀
Alboreto!
Are they not doing radio rewind on f1tv this season?
Word is that it’s cancelled for this season and weekend debrief too https://www.reddit.com/r/F1TV/comments/11n1tqf/is_radio_rewind_cancelled/
Going to invest in a tiny violin to learn to play for Mercedes. Their open letter is hilariously ridiculous; they've shown more domination from 2014 to 2020 than your average party at Max Moseley's, and yet they've had one bad race this year and they're acting as if they've never had it so bad. The only thing I agree with is the "stop being cunts on Twitter', otherwise they should just suck it up.
Love your Moseley comment
Why were old F1 tracks so long? I know the reason why they're mostly between 4-6 km long nowadays are because they wouldn't need as much safety marshalls and medics to quickly cover every part of the track, and because they do more laps so the attendees see more cars pass by.
The old Hockenheim was brilliant, cutting through the forest. Have you ever been to Brands Hatch? There's the mystique around the cars disappearing into the forest and coming out in a different order.
A lot of the old ones, like Pescara or Reims, were public roads linked together in interesting racing configurations. Formula 1 didn't become the dominant racing series until the 1970s or 1980s, and a lot of their racing in the earlier days happened on tracks that were designed for other kinds of racing. F1 raced at Sebring, for example, but Sebring was designed for sportscar endurance races.
Does anyone else get infuriated when people post 2D maps, as if the Z-axis doesn't matter. F1, itself it quite good about showing the 3D map with Z-axis on the live broadcasts, but people debating corners/chicanes here ... ... thumbs down if you use a 2D map as I relegate you to the bin of "hasn't really thought about it."
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Just watch races, and when you realize that you're on the edge of your seat watching one guy try to sneak into the points, accept that that's your guy and your team. It's like flipping a coin. When you flip a coin to make a decision, when it's in the air you'll find yourself hoping it comes down on one side or another; that's the one you should pick. Just let it happen. Don't pick anything. The heart wants what it wants.
I'm one of the DTS newbies, though this is my 3rd full season of watching. lol But the first season of DTS i watched was Season 3...then 1 and 2. And it seemed like every team got an episode. So I don't have a team I root for -- i dabbled with McLaren, but it was brief. I generally like underdogs, so I'll enjoy a resurgence from some teams, but it doesn't mean I'll keep it up next season. And I don't really dislike any drivers...so I basically enjoy most of the weekend no matter what. I did give myself some 'fan goals' last season. Pretty low bar items - though they don't all work out. Last season, it was just - watch Mick get some points, watch Danny Ric rebound. 1 out of 2. This season it's - Watch Yuki beat DeVries, Watch Haas get 7th, Watch Lewis get a win. I already think I'm headed for a 1 out of 3 season...but we'll see.
> How did you originally pick your team? What was important to you? Italian ancestry and mild depression made Ferrari an easy choice.
Well, you don't have to pick a team. Just support the drivers you like
I started regularly watching around 2011. Been watching it prior to that but just occassionally. So that time I did really follow the season, I just bandwagoned myself to the current WDC, which was Seb. Since then was just following him whatever team he goes to.
I didn't ever really "pick a team", I just gravitate towards drivers who I like for their driving style, personality and whatnot. That said F1 is perfectly enjoyable without picking a specific team. Just enjoy the racing, and eventually you'll start noticing who you do and don't like and end up rooting for them. It's how I started out as a kid all the way back in the '90s. Aside from those from my own country, I recall Fisichella as the first driver I genuinely rooted for, and always found myself hoping the teams he or Dutch folks drove for would do well. Now I obviously like Red Bull/Max, and in addition to that I like what Aston Martin's been doing and I got a soft spot for Alfa Romeo due to their style.
just a random observation. Why is the Bahrain track always represented in outline form with the long straight at the bottom of the outline like it's the southernmost part of the track while it is in fact the eastern edge of the track? This is the only track I noticed so far with this re-orientation in some outline visuals. I dont think ive ever seen Bahrain represented in outline form in its actual geographical orientation
This goes for most tracks with a large straight. Barcelona's main straight is also on its east side, same with Shanghai and Canada, while Zandvoort for example has its straight on the west side. Spa is also rotated 90 degrees in most representations. Really, they just tend to pick the looks on "Main straight should be on the bottom side, and work from there" where Interlagos is the main exception because that track kind of lacks a true straight in the same vein given its curved nature.
I’m sure Alonso wasn’t remotely as obsessed with Ocon as Ocon was with him but if we include how he was treated by the management, I do wonder how nice it feels to know that he’ll probably finish ahead of the Alpines no matter what this season.
I still dont get why AM uses Alonso as an experimental mice, even tho he’s way better than Stroll, being the son’s owner doesn’t have to give you such a privilege
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They literally did that last week
To be fair to Ocon though, he's only had a handful of seasons in the sport, whereas Alonso is one of the greats. I'd be no end of chuffed if I'd managed to outscored him over a season.
Oh yeah, I'd give him credit for figuring out how to beat Alonso. Qualify higher and then block him at the start where he is brilliant. But they weren't what I'd call fair moves exactly.
I'm already fed up with Ferrari's F1 season. it's a good thing the Ferrari 499P is so god damn sexy
The 499P is fine, but the 296 GT3 is going to be the sexiest car on the sexiest grid in racing.
> 296 GT3 OOOOOHHHH MAAAN!
LOOK AT THAT GRID, MAN. The frickin' Lambo Huracan Evo2 might be the ugliest car on it! Aston Martin Vantage? Gorgeous. Mercedes AMG GT3? Classic. BWM M4? Sploosh. That yellow/black Vasser Sullivan Lexus RC F that's running in IMSA? Amazing. Look at that Porsche 992! It's very Porsche-y! The Corvette C8.R? Absolutely badass. And then you've got the McLaren 720S, the Honda/Acura NSX Evo22, and somehow the 296 outshines all of 'em.
I know it's been asked a few times, but does anyone know what's up with Chain Bear? He's seemingly disappeared. Hope he's ok. Seems like a really good guy.
Started last year watching so pretty new. So can we consider F2 and F3 like minor leagues in Baseball? Ex: Tampa Bay Rays is the MLB team and you have 3 different minor league teams (AAA, AA, A) and a few more. So basically if a player in minor league is doing amazing, then he gets promoted up until he gets called up to Major league. Is it basically the same for F1? Sorry if it’s a bit confusing
In the sense you put it, yes. They are junior series specifically meant to produce future F1 drivers, so if a driver is doing really well they are indeed looking at a possible F1 seat. Although unlike American stick and ball sports, these teams are not direct affiliates of the F1 teams, nor owned by them. There are some connections that are closer than others (Ferrari - Prema, Renault - ART, Sauber - Charouz), but F1 teams run academies which usually pay for their drivers' spots in F3/F2 in whichever team they find the most beneficial out of the ones available to place their drivers in. Another big difference is that as far as I know (completely ignorant to baseball though, can only go on basketball here) the best players never actually set foot in the minor leagues, but instead get picked from universities to turn pro immediately with the big boys. In F1 it is a requirement for all drivers to not just race in the lower leagues, but also to finish in a high position in those championships before they are allowed in F1.
Required to get super license points...and it's easiest to get them from F2...but a driver could skip F2, right?
In theory yes, if they got the SL points in f3 and other series (FRECA, any of the many F4s) and were over 18. There are some f2 rookies this year like Zane Maloney who have enough SL points from f3 and below, got their SLs without f2, and are now f1 reserve drivers (Red Bull). You’ll rarely see drivers skip f2 though because f2 is an important intermediate step up. The cars are bigger and faster than f3 and require more physical fitness. It’s the first time the drivers have to deal with routine pit stops and tire strategy (mandatory use of multiple compounds). Fewer safety cars and less chaos in general (though f2 can still be chaotic. F3 is just nutso at times). Introduces more of the staple f1 tracks: Abu Dhabi, this year Melbourne, Jeddah now, Sochi when that was still on the calendar, etc. And stiffer competition since it’s supposed to be mostly the better f3 drivers who got promoted. You’ll also rarely see it because the f1 academies have juniors at every level, so there’s a sort of queue/order they’re testing them out. F2 is where an f1 team’s most senior juniors coalesce for direct competition and comparison. Join us in r/F1FeederSeries especially when there’s a race on. It’s a fun, knowledgeable bunch and the live race posts are always a laugh.
So did Max Verstappen and Lance Stroll, for example
Sort of. The FIA runs F2 and an F3 championship (but there are non-FIA F3 series run across the globe, using the same class of car). There is no automatic promotion system from F3 to F2 or from F2 to F1. Drivers that win F2 are barred from competing in future F2 seasons, but that doesn't guarantee they'll be brought into an F1 team. Additionally, it's possible for a driver to be pulled straight from F3 into F1. For your interest, here is the list of drivers that have graduated from F2 to F1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA\_Formula\_2\_Championship#Drivers\_graduated\_to\_F1
That second fact is wild, do you have a source?
A new bedtime story for my children (2 and 4yo). First read is tonight :D https://ibb.co/F5zgyDM
Is there an post race interview of Martin Whitmarsh after Bahrain? I used to love his interviews during McLaren days, very balanced and level headed.
I wish it was a double header to start the season. I can't deal with another week of doom and gloom
My friend I have bad news for you… there’s another 2 week break after Saudi then a 3 week break before Baku
Yeah that's going to be painful. Hopefully there'll at least be different things to complain about in those gaps
Hopefully more mercedes drama
Does anyone have a link to Saudi p1 and p2 times? Can't find it online for whatever reason.
I can see it on the F1 App * P1: 14:30 CET 17Mar * P2: 18:00 CET 17Mar
Yeah I thought it was this weekend 😭
Yea, was itching for some F1 this weekend as well lol
next week we're racing
I figured this out about 10 mins ago. Sitting here with my coffee excited waiting for p3 wondering why I can't find it on F1TV. Crushing blow.
yeah the start of the season is usually very slow with a week break between each GP and this year it's even worse with the 3 week break due to China missing
At which circuit does red bull have the most wins? And also the source please? Been trying to find it for the last couple of days.
6 at Monaco and Abu Dhabi
https://gpracingstats.com/constructors/red-bull/wins/ Monaco and Abu Dhabi tied at 6 wins
Could Lance Stroll be a likely reason Max doesn’t win every race this season? Not to say Lance will beat Max, but if the AM is fast enough to put Lance close to Max at the start of the race, well… Lance gets in the way now and then.
No. Fernando, sure. Lance? No.
But Lance has a bit of a tendency to, you know, just occasionally get in the way. Fernando showed amazing control last weekend while Lance was lucky not to end his teammate’s weekend. (To be fair I was genuinely impressed with Lance’s day and his commitment to being ready to race after his bike accident).
It doesn't need to be Stroll. It's not like Max has 0% of possibilities to win every race. But the percentage is very very low. Nothing similar has ever been achieved, not even by the 1988 McLaren. Only Ascari and Schumacher could have a quite similar shot, but they weren't that close either. The fact is that it's not very probable that Max doesn't retire or at least come 2nd in 1 of the 22 remaining races. If the car is that dominant, how come Perez never wins? Or how possible really is that Ferrari doesn't even get a win? AMR seems good now, if they capitalise and develop well Stroll might have a shot at his maiden win, and in a good day he can win a GP.
> Or how possible really is that Ferrari doesn't even get a win? Like, really possible.
With all the talk of Max winning every race I wouldn't be surprised the he doesn't win next weekend. Would be typical.
There’s probably a lot of reasons possible for Max not to win a race. Just look at some race last year like Silverstone
*Accidentaly posted this in yesterday’s Daily discussion, so hereby a repost* This question has been playing in my head for a couple of days now, and I cannot seem to come up with an answer. In Kimi’s ‘gloves and steering wheel’ radio message (don’t think I need to give more context), how could that audio be actually available to us? I mean, he would have had to press the Radio button **on his steering wheel** to make his message clear to the pit wall, which he couldn’t. From waving his hands and the fact that it took so long for the team to react, I suspect the team was in fact, not receiving any radio from him. But how did the audio file become available if he did not broadcast his message himself? Is everything a driver says in the cockpit recorded (just not real-time broadcasted) by the team or the FOM regardless of whether a driver has pressed the Radio button or not?
As the steering wheel is removed when the driver gets in/out of the car and still has to talk with his team - theres a secondary radio button in the chassis for when the wheel is not attached. This broadcast is part of the regular car <-> pitwall communication and was broadcast on tv. Not every team member is on the channel with drivers, it's usually their racing engineers team, which is why the people around him didn't react.
How certain are you that this is the case. It could very well be as you say. However, I have never heard any driver, team or pundit mention that there is an ‘extra’ radio button. Hence the doubt ftom my side.
Because there are many [buttons and controls in the cockpit](https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/view-of-the-cockpit-of-a-racing-car-of-the-scuderia-nachrichtenfoto/622152842). 4 visible [buttons in Mercedes last year](https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1545340740821303297/photo/1)
Didn’t know this, thank you for the insight!
Just thought about this. Piastri could also talk to his engineer while booting his new steering wheel during the last (Bahrain) GP. Which would add evidence to cafk’s reply. I just wonder why this wouldn’t be common knowledge and why we don’t know the placement of this extra radio button.
It think it would make sense everything is recorded and saved in-car just like the onboard footage
It’s the audio from the onboard no? Not the radio. Onboards can pick up audio, like when you watch the onboards you can hear the engine, the bouncing, and the surroundings (at least that’s my assumption)
What do you consider to be a difference between the radio and the onboard. In my recollection, they both contain the ambient noise, as well as the actual words spoken by the driver.
Who would you pick for your all stars dream F1 team? - lets start with drivers, pit crew, team principal. Chief analyst and drivers’ race engineers, aeronautics, marketing, PR etc
Kimi and Max, mclaren, red bull, merc pit crew all seem fine, Bravitore or Horner, PR red bull or merc, throw Newey in there somewhere, the other positions I don't know enoug about.
Imagining max and kimi on the same team. Can’t decide if it would be great since they both have similar straightforward dispositions or a bloodbath because they have similar dispositions lol. Either ways, the PR team is going to be kept on their toes
I tried to search but couldn't find anything. Based on that Ferrari post, can someone tell me how Charles leclerc has a relationship with Elkann? Seems weird that he knows the president well enough to get an audience with him or am I overthinking it?
I don’t have any specific knowledge about this, but I imagine he talked with Elkann since Binotto left because he wants guarantees about his future. It could even be Elkann contacted him first. After 2024 Charles is a free agent and I can’t imagine they want him to jump ship. So in this kind off chaotic period is seems smart to keep in contact and keep him happy
Hello everyone! So this year i'm finally going to my first F1 race in Baku after being a F1 fan for the past 17 years. So i wanted to ask the people who have been the to Baku or any other GP about what are the things I need to plan ahead of time? What are the things i need to take with me to the race? Is the merch overpriced at the Fan Zone? Also since i will be sitting in the Icheri Sheher stand, will i be able to make it to the podium by the end of the race to see the ceremony?
Does anyone else want to sign a "Bring back Ron Dennis and make McLaren great again" petition?
God no
Would enjoy the fresh Lando trim though
I starter watching with this season, is there a list og must know things for a fan so I would feel more up to date with everything? EDIT: I know little to nothing about F1 but first GP was so exciting to watch
so as much as people hate on the Netflix series Drive to Survive, I actually think it's a good starting point. Just keep in mind it's dramatized to some extent (Lando Norris and Carlos Sainz had a bromance and didn't hate each other) but it really does help you get to know the people in the sport.
Thank you, will check it out for sure
Good morning all, Quick question as I boycotted F1 last year, what is the origin of this shirtless reference to RUS? It's everywhere and "at this point, I'm too afraid to ask" meme holds relevance. Have a nice weekend with friends and family, PDA
Why did you boycott last year?
I found the end of the 2021 season such a farce that I withdrew my support. They disregarded a year of Sportsmanship and I voted with my wallet to a similar extent (1 season). Now, I'm back. When I left, RUS didn't have a seat at Merc and this meme didn't exist, hence my precise question, which I get downvoted for. The mention of the boycott was to impose a "meme didn't exist" and a "meme is common place" temporal spectrum. Perhaps it's just poor management from the team of RUS that it's become meme-like. But, they might have more data suggesting it's good.
he likes to be shirtless on social media to flex his body
I see. Thanks for answering my question unlike the other choad whom replied. Another reason to avoid social media although I'm sure he's very fit.
Phew! I'm glad you're back. F1 almost collapsed without you last year.
If wind tunnel time is strictly restricted per team, why are so many teams spending so much to build them and saying it will improve performance?
They're not only using those for F1 car development - it's part of their larger engineering effort and department and allows them to grow their applied/advanced/technology divisions which cater services outside of Formula 1. Mercedes GrandPrix Limited [applied sciences department is responsible for ~£30-50m in turnover](https://www.ft.com/content/8f3b4450-24a9-4438-ae50-7d30ea2a00fc). Stroll wanted to build up AMR as a services company, like Williams in the past and Sauber since mid 2000s - with Formula 1 being their advertising board of what their engineers can do.
If you have a better wind tunnel then I would imagine that they're more efficient so you can get better data with reduced running time
It's the most significant tool a team has to develop a car. You can't compete without wind tunnel.
Yeah but if you're restricted in how much you can use it then what's the benefit of building your own over using another one?
Even with wind tunnels, many teams still face correlation issues. So they definitely can't afford to do away with one. Wind tunnel use may be restricted, but not banned, teams still have a lot of hours allowed by the regs. Track time is *extremely* limited, and CFD isn't accurate enough on its own, so teams need to compare and match car sensors data, CFD simulations and Wind Tunnel runs to have enough confidence that what they're designing has a point and will work as intended. Otherwise they're just building parts at random. Wind tunnels also aren't all equal. How consistent they are, what testing possibilities they allow, how fast you can launch runs and get results, etc. can vary (usually, better ones are more expensive ofc). The best ones make it much more easy to get good correlation with reality, and the better your correlation, the easier, faster and more efficient it gets to understand and design a better car. Some of the other advantages of building a new state of the art wind tunnel next to your base of operation includes cutting down on lead time and logistics costs. McLaren for example have to rent Toyota's wind tunnel, which is based in Cologne, Germany, while they themselves are based in the UK, which naturally introduces some logistical challenges, and they have to accomodate other companies/teams using it themselves. By comparison, teams like Mercedes or Ferrari have theirs pretty much in their backyards and for their personal use (though they rent it out to other teams like Aston Martin and Haas iirc).
It's restricted but it's still a lot of hours you're going to spend there. You want the best wind tunnel you can get to make a good use of those hours.
Just because it's restricted doesn't mean it can't be used. If anything, fewer runs in a wind tunnel puts more emphasis on having a high quality windu tunnel.
The less you can use it, the more accurate it has to be
Restricted still means you can use one.
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Depends on what you call modern, but Kimi Raikkonen. His father was a road builder and his mother was a county clerk. His dad had to take on extra jobs to fund his son's karting career, and they even had to postpone getting an in-house toilet instead of an outhouse. I'm not sure, but I think guys like Michael and Ralf Schumacher, and more recently Esteban Ocon, have had similar upbringings, with working class parents sacrificing everything just to get their kids into a racing career.
I don't know about rags but Lewis definitely didn't grow up wealthy, and he's very wealthy now. Alonso grew up middle class. A lot of the F1 drivers grew up wealthy.
I follow Formula 1 since two years now, and I'd like to watch some "greatest Races" in the past. Maybe some Alonso, Vettel or Schumacher material. Any suggestions?
I used this list to watch some old material. But I highly recommend to just watch the entire 2012 season in full first. After that this list is great (list does not contain spoilers) https://www.racefans.net/rate-the-race/f1-fanatic-top-100/
All of the 2012 season, it's great even if you know who was the champion. Just don't look up the results of the individual races. If you're going to watch one race from that season I'd say Brazil.
If you want them from the 2000s onward, a short list: * Valencia 2012, my favourite race ever, the day after the race was my birthday and the result was a great gift. One of the best drives I've ever seen. * Silverstone 2008, great wet driving skills * Hockenheim 2019, splendid race from two of the best drivers ever (and special to me because later that night I've met my SO) * Magny Cours 2004 * Monza 2008, more the qualifying than the actual race * Monaco 2012, again, more the qualifying than the actual race * Canada 2011, one of the weirdest races ever * Imola 2005, a great duel between two legends If you want to go back before this millennium: * Donington Park 1993. Probably the best opening lap by a driver ever * Silverstone 1995 * Spain 1996 * Monaco 1982, one of the weirdest finales to a race * Anderstorp 1978, the only race which features the best car ever * Suzuka 1989/90 just to see what was really a mess of an ending to two championships
You guys are awesome! Plenty of races to watch, thank you!
Valencia 2012, Canada 2011, Japan 2005, don't look up the results before you watch
Thank you!
Let me know how you go!
Who do you think will be the next new driver to get an F1 seat?
Someone from the Red Bull Junior team, right now de Vries looks like Hartley 2.0, Zane Maloney had a very good debut in F2, Hauger seems to be in a competitive package too. We will see how Liam Lawson does in Super Formula a pro series. Pourchaire, maybe. But he would need to keep that ART at the front and IMO not be too close to Martins.
If Theo Pourchaire can keep up his form from the first F2 round then I think it would be very hard for Alfa Romeo/Sauber to deny him a seat in 2024, especially since they are apparently funding most of his drive this year. I reckon we will also see a Red Bull junior step up next year, but who it is depends on how this year's results go. Lawson, Iwasa and Hauger are the most likely IMO, but Maloney and Hadjar could spring a surprise and jump them in the queue. As much as I rate Doohan and Martins, I can't see them getting an Alpine seat next year and I don't think Williams are likely to take them as loans. Bearman is exciting but Ferrari have nowhere to put him; Haas aren't gonna take on a rookie again, at least not next year.
Maybe Pourchaire but he is in his 3rd year in F2. Maloney and Bearman look really good as rookies in F2. I feel it will be between Maloney and Iwasa, Hadjar for AT seat
Pourchaire stands a pretty good chance. Probably one of the RB juniors as well, depending how Lawson does in Super Formula and how the horde of them do in F2.
Just how secret are the floors of the car? Is it so secret that even the spy photographers can’t take a picture of them? If so, would it be reasonable to have a rule like having top 3 per race get lifted up a ramp so the floor can be seen? Would that make the field more competitive with their own designs or will that just end up in multiple copies of 1 design?
The shape of the floor was unimportant in the previous generation of cars. Therefore all of each car’s aerodynamic components were on display for the world to see. That obviously didn’t result in complete parity then, so I have no reason to believe that it would now.
The aerodynamics work as a package on the car and it's unlikely that the floor alone will provide insight. Furthermore, the entire aerodynamics package wouldn't yield that much as it's only part of a total car handling package. There aren't really secrets to be stolen. Some recent boundaries getting push were front/rear wing deflection that passed FIA testing (great!) but changed shape during the race (also great!!!!!) but that loophole was closed as "moving aero parts" and claimed as a manufacturing defect (lol).
Even if you lift the car and show the floor to other teams (and that already would be horrible from the federation's point of action) just looking at it doesn't grant you anything. In most cases you can't just copy paste the floor to your car, because you'd have to adapt a lot more things (the diffuser for example). Obviously it would be still an advantage, albeit small, to look at them clearly because if someone had a genius idea on the floor (double diffuser type of implementation) you could use that in the future.
I see. So it’s not like the other parts like sidepods where other teams can take some ideas off of it?
I mean, you can take ideas off of it, but it's probably take a long time to implement it/lot of resources since you've to adapt many other things. With the sidepods it can be the same, in fact Mercedes will have to change some details of the front wing, the floor and the back of the car aerodynamically-wise when they ditch their zero-sidepod phylosophy. Or like Aston who's implemented both Ferrari and RBR ideas in their sidepods, but it still took a lot of time and they transformed the car almost completely from the very first version of 2022.
Ahh. That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation!