They’ve got a decent template to build on. Hopefully Ferrari sort their PU and Haas actually decide to do some development. Who knows though, it is Haas after all.
Honestly they don’t need to develop really. Just working on no mistakes and strategy. That cost them more than anything.
As Gunther said last year, they were their own worst enemy with strategy. At times so afraid to make the wrong call you miss making the right one. That they went from a year of just strategizing to finish races to then trying to strategize for points. That’s where they need an overhaul in thinking and improvement in the pits and setup, just dialing in the car to maintain pace.
They’ll gain far more with that than rolling the dice on a wing or subfloor imo. That’s where I’m with Gunther when he said he only wants to spend on upgrades that are low risk. Unless you’re damn positive it’s better, it’s not worth it for them.
> Honestly they don’t need to develop really. Just working on no mistakes and strategy. That cost them more than anything.
> They’ll gain far more with that than rolling the dice on a wing or subfloor imo. That’s where I’m with Gunther when he said he only wants to spend on upgrades that are low risk. Unless you’re damn positive it’s better, it’s not worth it for them.
Well this is a bit PR talk from Steiner, Haas simple hasn't the facilities (yet) to have a continuous rate of development so they would always stuck in a loop where they performance dropping off later in the season, so scoring high during the first 10-12 races is way more important for a team like Haas then for most other teams.
2023 is the last year where the car is developed under heavy influence of Simone Resta so they could indeed having a car who can arm for P7 in the WCC, noneless that they ended up on P8 in the WCC previous year has way more to do with AlphaTauri being the biggest clowns on the grid team-wise and in terms of strategy rather then Haas being better then AT.
Nonetheless I still think that Haas ends up again at P8 in the WCC unless Alfa Romeo drops hard.
It’s not PR talk at all. They fucked themselves repeatedly with terrible strategy and not getting the setups right for the car. Both drivers also spoke of the setup issues. They also are the next to slowest if not the slowest pit team on the grid, using old guns.
So no, development I do not believe matters much for them if you can’t work out the strategy, or how to setup the car with what you have, or slowest stops on the grid.
They also didn’t have a single sub 3second pitstop the entire year and many that were above 4 seconds. When you see how far down the track that is in terms of actual distance between cars that’s throwing their car behind the others and losing places consistently over the season.
I'm expecting a big improvement from Haas given the big increase in revenue for 2023, which should allow them to develop the car through the season for the first time since 2019.
However, while I think they'll remain competitive throughout the season, I don't see them beating any of the 7 other teams ahead of them given their facilities, personnel and experience. I think the biggest challenge will be staying ahead of AT, who could be much better or a complete train wreck again.
They're addressing the operational shortcomings for sure, but they have an extra $40M in the budget this year. There's only so much you can spend on wheel guns. That money will definitely allow them to develop the car throughout the year which is again the bare minimum required to be competitive.
They just aren't upgrading any other infrastructure.
It’s not just wheelguns I believe it was a staffing issue too, putting on more people means they’ve got actual time to improve process, to my understanding Haas was a very bare bones workforce
All smaller teams operate with a less than optimal number of mechanics and weekend staff and while Haas is the smallest, they aren't that far behind their nearest competitors.
Again if you want to add 10-15 extra personnel that's $1M-2M. There's still a lot of change from $40M, especially if you're not doing any other infrastructure upgrades.
I’ve already noticed an uptick in Haas media production quality, suggesting they’ve brought on more people to do promotions, I’m not saying there’s not a chunk being spent on upgrades, but it looks to me there’s an overall absorbing of the budget into multiple areas not just upgrades. Should be interesting seeing them compete on a more equal playing field though.
Absolutely, it's not all going to just one area. If they're smart, and say what you want about Gene and Gunther, they're pretty good at effectively managing a budget, they'll be improving as many areas of the team as they can.
They really need a straightforward year without financial or PU-related drama to capitalise on this new design team and operating at their cost cap. Especially if Resta is being called back to Ferrari.
7th is definitely within reach and potentially 6th if a few things fall in the right places
They’ve got a decent template to build on. Hopefully Ferrari sort their PU and Haas actually decide to do some development. Who knows though, it is Haas after all.
Honestly they don’t need to develop really. Just working on no mistakes and strategy. That cost them more than anything. As Gunther said last year, they were their own worst enemy with strategy. At times so afraid to make the wrong call you miss making the right one. That they went from a year of just strategizing to finish races to then trying to strategize for points. That’s where they need an overhaul in thinking and improvement in the pits and setup, just dialing in the car to maintain pace. They’ll gain far more with that than rolling the dice on a wing or subfloor imo. That’s where I’m with Gunther when he said he only wants to spend on upgrades that are low risk. Unless you’re damn positive it’s better, it’s not worth it for them.
> Honestly they don’t need to develop really. Just working on no mistakes and strategy. That cost them more than anything. > They’ll gain far more with that than rolling the dice on a wing or subfloor imo. That’s where I’m with Gunther when he said he only wants to spend on upgrades that are low risk. Unless you’re damn positive it’s better, it’s not worth it for them. Well this is a bit PR talk from Steiner, Haas simple hasn't the facilities (yet) to have a continuous rate of development so they would always stuck in a loop where they performance dropping off later in the season, so scoring high during the first 10-12 races is way more important for a team like Haas then for most other teams. 2023 is the last year where the car is developed under heavy influence of Simone Resta so they could indeed having a car who can arm for P7 in the WCC, noneless that they ended up on P8 in the WCC previous year has way more to do with AlphaTauri being the biggest clowns on the grid team-wise and in terms of strategy rather then Haas being better then AT. Nonetheless I still think that Haas ends up again at P8 in the WCC unless Alfa Romeo drops hard.
It’s not PR talk at all. They fucked themselves repeatedly with terrible strategy and not getting the setups right for the car. Both drivers also spoke of the setup issues. They also are the next to slowest if not the slowest pit team on the grid, using old guns. So no, development I do not believe matters much for them if you can’t work out the strategy, or how to setup the car with what you have, or slowest stops on the grid.
They also didn’t have a single sub 3second pitstop the entire year and many that were above 4 seconds. When you see how far down the track that is in terms of actual distance between cars that’s throwing their car behind the others and losing places consistently over the season.
I'm expecting a big improvement from Haas given the big increase in revenue for 2023, which should allow them to develop the car through the season for the first time since 2019. However, while I think they'll remain competitive throughout the season, I don't see them beating any of the 7 other teams ahead of them given their facilities, personnel and experience. I think the biggest challenge will be staying ahead of AT, who could be much better or a complete train wreck again.
I believe that Haas aren’t overly focusing on developing but their operational performance, which is the easiest way to have gains for a small spend
They're addressing the operational shortcomings for sure, but they have an extra $40M in the budget this year. There's only so much you can spend on wheel guns. That money will definitely allow them to develop the car throughout the year which is again the bare minimum required to be competitive. They just aren't upgrading any other infrastructure.
It’s not just wheelguns I believe it was a staffing issue too, putting on more people means they’ve got actual time to improve process, to my understanding Haas was a very bare bones workforce
All smaller teams operate with a less than optimal number of mechanics and weekend staff and while Haas is the smallest, they aren't that far behind their nearest competitors. Again if you want to add 10-15 extra personnel that's $1M-2M. There's still a lot of change from $40M, especially if you're not doing any other infrastructure upgrades.
I’ve already noticed an uptick in Haas media production quality, suggesting they’ve brought on more people to do promotions, I’m not saying there’s not a chunk being spent on upgrades, but it looks to me there’s an overall absorbing of the budget into multiple areas not just upgrades. Should be interesting seeing them compete on a more equal playing field though.
Absolutely, it's not all going to just one area. If they're smart, and say what you want about Gene and Gunther, they're pretty good at effectively managing a budget, they'll be improving as many areas of the team as they can. They really need a straightforward year without financial or PU-related drama to capitalise on this new design team and operating at their cost cap. Especially if Resta is being called back to Ferrari.