May god blast texas
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The rich will ALWAYS have access to abortion, illegal or not. It’s the poor who will suffer.
America, the only place where a Wee Woo Wagon ride costs half your annual salary
YES! This is exactly what it is! Abortion always hits poor people and struggling people disproportionately. Rich people can fly out of the country, go on a vacay for this bs if need be and come back.
But yeah it’s *waaay* better to force a rape victim to carry to term the outcome of her trauma and then spend the rest of her poor life never recovering from it.
But but but in Texas there will be no rape!
It isn't rape if you don't have the right to bodily autonomy /s
I don’t think the people fighting for abortion aren’t the ones on the rape victims side. Like whenever someone ask my stance on abortion I don’t think of the minority or rape victims who have a baby in them. I think of the majority of idiot teens who didn’t use contraceptives and want a way out. Tbh idrc if ppl get them or not, but I’ll only support abortion when men can also opt out of fatherhood.
Not to mention rape is always touted when its not even a large fraction of abortions. Rape doesn't even account for 1% percent of abortions and incest less than 0.5%.... yet its always the prime example given
If men want out of fatherhood why blow a load inside of her?
Oh, Jesus Christ. Outside of rape cases, where the father should absolutely be imprisoned and have exactly zero say in what happens to the mother or child, it takes two people choosing to have unprotected sex to have a child. Both are equally responsible and both should be equally able to opt out of parenthood in the same time frame. Your argument is exactly the same as the “pro-lifers” asking why a woman had sex in the first place if she didn’t want the responsibility of being a parent. I’m pro-choice not only because it’s extremely unethical to force a woman to go through the physical process of pregnancy, but because it’s equally unethical to force her to be responsible for another human being that she doesn’t want to be or is not capable of being responsible for for the rest of her life. The father obviously doesn’t bear the physical burden of pregnancy, but forcing him to bear responsibility for a person he doesn’t want to be or is not capable of being responsible for for the rest of his life is just as unethical as forcing that on the mother. I’m pro *choice*, not just pro abortion.
Or freeze sperm and get a vasectomy. Or just get a vasectomy. There’s already to many fuckin people anyway
Fuckin people are the reason we have too many people!
Ding ding ding!
Men are already in control of where they choose to blow their load. If they REALLY don't want to be a dad, they should plan ahead.
If he doesn't know the women well enough to know her stance on procreation then that's on him.
Or just use contraceptives. A guy can also not wanna be a father yet, just like a woman can. Except it’s totally up to the woman if she wants to opt out or not
Make america grat again!
Yep. “The rich get richer. The poor get kids.”
Incorrect. Rich women *may* be able to do what it takes to access abortion where poorer women can’t, but that’s not consequence free or absolute.
If a woman is rich in her own right, that’s probably from a job she has to get time away from for the travel and potential stays involved (since some states force women to wait several days). She might not get paid time off and probably can’t disclose why she needs the absence to an employer who could be sued for helping.
If she’s rich because of a father or husband, then she can only access abortions as and when he wants her to. He might fund (or force) abortions that suit his public image, but he may also force pregnancies if he doesn’t want to pay or is anti-abortion. Forced pregnancy is a domestic violence tactic, and pregnancy is so underestimated and seen as so likely to end up benefitting women that the man she depends on for help may just decide it’s not worth his money.
Do not downplay this attack on women’s rights - understand how difficult it is even in the best case scenario, and from that understand just how cruel the people responsible for this are.
> If a woman is rich in her own right, that’s probably from a job she has to get time away from for the travel and potential stays involved (since some states force women to wait several days). She might not get paid time off and probably can’t disclose why she needs the absence to an employer who could be sued for helping.
"I'm taking a few days off because of a death of a family member in another state, I will be travelling to the funeral."
Hop on plane to mexico, buy abortion pills (contrary to what Rs will have you believe, abortions are remarkably simple and don't involve vacuums and invasive medical operations).
And if she doesn’t think of that, or her employer doesn’t care? And if there’s something else important she was saving for?
And I’m very aware of how abortions work. I’m not sure why you seem to think I don’t know.
We're talking about *rich* people here, that's the entire point. The point being made is the rich can AFFORD to take a few days off unpaid, will likely be in a position where they AREN'T "saving for something" (as they are rich). Normal members of society absolutely wouldn't think of doing this, as its too expensive or too much of a hassle. The rich don't give a fuck. Thats why these laws cause a divide, the rich can afford to just pay to avoid them.
The abortion pills comment was because you made it sound like this would have to be away from work for several days. Sure there are some states that make you wait. There are also states that don't. Why would you POSSIBLY choose one of the ones that makes you wait, if you are rich and have the choice of any you want?
Rich can mean different things. You can’t just bank on one specific set of circumstances always being the case for the hypothetical rich woman, when it doesn’t change that she still has to go to all those lengths, because safe abortions aren’t accessible where she lives, and only serves to undermine the severity of the abortion ban.
What? No, the whole point of this argument is that the abortion ban is WORSE because the rich can still access abortions while the poor cannot, meaning the ban disproportionally affects a subset of society who probably need them for more legitimate reasons. How many rich women "can't afford to raise a kid"? Plenty of poor women will have money as their major reason for not wanting to have a child.
Or use protection..
Protection doesn't always work. My third child is the result of a birth control failure. I was breastfeeding, so my OB put me on the mini pill so as not to affect my supply. I hadn't yet started having periods yet but still managed to conceive.
Yeah, it's only close to 100% effective
As you just admitted, it's NOT 100% effective. So what is your argument, exactly?
Rapists should use condom protection because they are physically and mentally diseased, but I wonder why rapists don't use protection? Same for dads, stepdads, brothers, cousins -- all the incest fans. They should use protection but they don't. Wonder why? Is God moving their peepees in mysterious ways? Or are they just diseased parasites that should be hunted down and killed? They cannot be rehabilitated -- look it up. Castration may save their lives, but why waste food on diseased criminals?
Why not fight to castrate those animals instead of dealing with the result?
You know another way of saying "close to 100% effective"?
Not 100% effective.
I like this reply
Close to 100% is NOT 100%. Even at 99% effective, if you have 1 million people practicing safe sex, you'll still end up with 10,000 unwanted pregnancies.
I have a friend with the same mindset as you, and when I bring this up his response is usually "Well if they don't want to have kids, or the risk, then they shouldn't have sex". Yea, people should be not be allowed to love each other intimately because you have a problem.
"Excuse me, rapist" (because that's the context spacecadet references here "please slap on a jimmy hat before violating me, because Hot\_Gas might blame me for this if you don't."
Yeah, next time a girl is getting raped she should make sure her rapist is wearing protection. You're not a good person.
Neither are you, you downvote using protection bc you don't care that girls have to live with their decision, you just want to fight for the right regardless of the outcome
>girls have to live with their decision,
You... Do realize what "rape" means, right? There's no decision nor consent on the girl side when she is raped. Are you a fucking moron or what
And protection always works and are free?
I've said it before. They aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth.
Yes! This!! My cousin was ostracized in his Baptist church because he was adopted. They called him an unpure bastard, we were 12.
They don't give a shit about birth unless you don't want to do it. They're pro-**forced**\-birth.
Pro life isn’t real. Also they aren’t even pro birth because if it was theirs they would get an abortion if they needed it. They are pro forcing their opinion on others as religious cultists aka “conservatives” often do.
But they are stopping anyone else from getting an abortion. And claim that all life is special. They are the first to cry murderer at clinics and the first to call for the death sentence. They are 100% pro birth. Because they don't give a fuck after the kids born.
They are full of shit is my point
As long as they can play out the theatrics, they'll be happy.
The whole 'killing babies' rap is just a cover for their real objective: to control and punish women for having a uterus.
Live next door in Arkansas, it's just as dumb here. People wanna shout from the rooftops that having an abortion equals killing babies, but conveniently ignore that it's a CHRISTIAN, RELIGIOUS belief and is by definition unconstitutional because of the separation of church and state. It is unconstitutional for ANY religion to be used as a basis for law. Most people get mad af when you point that out, though.
A first trimester fetus is basically indistinguishable from a pig fetus with no real brain activity to speak of.
Why is it legal to take brain dead people off life support?
Its almost like brain function is what actually matters in personhood.
To be fair, they fought that too. RIP Terri Schiavo. But hey, endangering school children is a-ok!
Actually, it's an old Muslim belief that the fetus gets its soul around week 13. So why not whisper that in their ears, that they are following Mohammed when they are supporting anti abortions?
Besides, if they ever learn to read, they would discover that the Bible actually not only supports abortions, but tells sinful women to drink this special water so that they will miscarry.
>So why not whisper that in their ears, that they are following Mohammed when they are supporting anti abortions?
You're a genius
You should read the constitution because everything you said about church and state is wrong.
Really? Because Lemon v. Kurtzman circa
1971 in a SCOTUS ruling says that government actions should be secular in nature and should neither advance nor inhibit religion, and should not foster an excessive entanglement with religion. As state governors are specifically inserting religious ideology into these laws then they are blurring the line between separation of church and state.
Secular arguments against abortion exist.
The scientific stance is that abortion ends the life of a human organism. Not a baby but pretty close biologically.
Edit: a word
I assume you mean against abortion.
It is debateable if the embryo is an organism as it does not have all properties of life and this is one of the most common definitions for organisms.
assumes a homogenous opinion among scientist
I'd be glad if you share your source so I can read more about the reasoning behind that argument.
**Edit: Don't downvote someone for having a different opinion. After reading the sources PhysicsCentrism provided, his statement was borad but correct.**
I had to read it twice to realize that the 6-week-old cell-cluster is a fetus and not a dust bunny as I first thought.
Texas wants to secede. They want the Federal government to sue them and try to stop this new law so they have an excuse to secede. Another, look at what you forced us to do, bullshit. This plan, ill conceived, will backfire on Texas. All military bases currently in Texas will close and be relocated to new States. All government contracts cease, all federal funds stop. The Federal Reserve in Dallas closes. And then it’s anyone’s guess. I think Mexican gangs will probably seize Texas for Mexico.
Shhhhh let them go. This is what they want. They get to live with the consequences of their decisions.
Instead of making a wall towards Mexico, we should just make one around the amercian south instead, gotta keep all that stupidity contained
Wasn't that tried about 160 years ago?
They left. We tried to get them back, which was a mistake.
Nah the mistake was stopping the scorched earth policy were the union was going to drive them into the Gulf of Mexico.
The states are pretty beautiful. It’s the people that are trash
Margaret Atwood was right.
It’s not even a six week cluster of cells, since the way they track pregnancy is from the previous period. a six week fetus is really only a four week old clump of cells.
And the heartbeat is just electric impulses that are made to sound like a heartbeat by the ultrasound machine. A six week fetus doesn’t have a heart!
And they even made no exceptions for rape and incest too
Because conservatives do not care about the fetus; they care about the subjugation of women in every aspect. Their end goal is the reversal and abolition of 150 years of social progress.
And they don’t see its time to stop, that is too long of a time for it to be fully reversed
I would say we should give Texas back to Mexico, but I doubt Mexico wants it.
Mexico realizes that texas is broken beyond repair
Mexico actually recently ruled that putting abortion as a criminal act is unconstitutional 😅 I doubt they want this bullshit again...
Yeah, I agree.
Because the Texas government has something that they are doing/trying to do that requires significant distraction.
Abortion is always the best distraction.
Seems like they are strangling all the convenient alternative ways people can vote, no mail in, no drop boxes, no voting on Sundays, no drive through voting etc etc. Anyone with a job with no time off or 2 or 3 part time jobs will not have time or energy to vote.
That's probably what the abortion smoke screen is for.
They may also be quietly furthering corporate/industrial deregulation as they're wont to do.
That's just a guess, but an educated one.
Killing their own constituents currently.
I think that's just a hobby of the Texas gov't, not necessarily a policy action.
**Resources for Texans seeking access to healthcare**
https://teafund.org/ - Texas Equal Access Fund provides emotional and financial support to people who are seeking abortion care.
https://abortionfunds.org/ - connects you with organizations that can support your financial and logistical needs as you arrange for your abortion.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/pregnancy-options - A Comprehensive Guide for Unplanned Pregnancy
https://gynopedia.org/Gynopedia_Index - a nonprofit organization that runs an open resource wiki for sexual, reproductive and women's health care around the world
**If you need help getting an abortion go to these sites**
https://www.plancpills.org/ - provides up-to-date information on how people in the U.S. are accessing abortion pills online
https://aidaccess.org/ - consists of a team of doctors, activists and advocates for abortion rights that help people access abortion or miscarriage treatment. They send the pill worldwide for $110/90€
https://www.cecinfo.org/country-by-country-information/status-availability-database/countries/united-states-of-america/ - Emergency Oral Contraceptive Doses for Birth Control, U.S.
https://www.cecinfo.org/country-by-country-information/status-availability-database/ - Emergency Oral Contraceptive Doses for Birth Control, International
https://www.womenonweb.org - online abortion service can help you do a safe abortion with pills.
https://carafem.org - helps with abortion, birth control and questions about reproductive healthcare. They do consultations online and send abortion pills on the mail.
These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy.
Also check out r/auntienetwork or r/abortion for support
**If you want to give money to some pro-choice charities, try here**
https://fundtexaschoice.org/ - helps Texans equitably access abortion through safe, confidential, and comprehensive travel services and practical support.
http://janesdueprocess.org/ - helps minors in Texas with judicial bypass for abortion, navigate parental consent laws and confidentially access abortion and birth control. They provide free legal support, 1-on-1 case management, and stigma-free information on sexual and reproductive health.
https://www.lilithfund.org/ - the oldest abortion fund in Texas, serving the central and southern regions of the state with direct financial assistance for abortions.
https://www.theafiyacenter.org/ - their mission is to transform the lives, health, and overall wellbeing of Black women and girls by providing refuge, education, and resources. Their act to ignite the communal voices of Black women resulting in our full achievement of reproductive freedom.
https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/ (Focuses on the Deep South)
https://abortionfunds.org - connects you with organizations that can support your financial and logistical needs as you arrange for your abortion.
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/rrr-fundraiser - stands ready to assist any member that shares its deeply-held religious convictions regarding the right to reproductive freedom. Accordingly, they encourage any member in Texas who wishes to undergo the Satanic Abortion Ritual to contact them so they may help them fight this law directly.
https://www.westfund.org (focuses on Latine and low-income communities)
https://fronterafundrgv.org - makes abortion accessible in the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) by providing financial and practical support regardless of immigration status, gender identity, ability, sexual orientation, race, class, age, or religious affiliation and to build grassroots organizing power at intersecting issues across our region to shift the culture of shame and stigma.
https://www.bucklebunnies.org - provide practical support for people seeking abortions. Help with transportation, funds to help with hotels, lodging costs and emergency contraceptive funds to actually go towards abortion.
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Who says a "host body" ?
People to commit Parasitism
I find it odd Texas stance on vaccines is your body your choice but abortion is your body our choice.
Blessed be the fruit….
Texas will become Gilead...
Under his eye
Texas’ state motto should be liberty for me but not for thee.
May the lord open…
Because conservatives believe that women are property.
I might get hate for this but this is how I look at it and it blows my mind that anyone else doesn't. The adult woman is irreplaceable. There will never be another of her if she dies. Once she's gone everything that she was goes with her barring memories of her family. But a fetus or even an infant is replaceable. Yes the next one won't be the same but a woman has hundreds of ages and a man will produce million upon millions of sperm in his life. A baby can be recreated, yes it's sad to lose one you loved but there can be another. A full grown woman on the other hand is fully herself and will never happen again the way she did. I would always save the woman over the child.
Because people love to champion fetuses, not because they have any actual reverence for life, but because they can pat themselves on the back for proceeding to do absolutely nothing that can actually rise to the term "pro life" guilt free.
Not all of us texans are like this 😕
It looks like a cross between chameleon and a beluga whale.
Easy. Because people can become gullible voters.
In case anyone's getting "the good old days" feels on any topic, consider that in the good old days: we fought a war to bring Texas BACK INTO the country. Tells you enough about how smart people were back then.
Because Republicans want the country to be like the TV show Handmaids Tale.
because a cell cluster can not yet vote blue
ok, hear me out...
1. free birth control for men and women.
2. free abortion for when birth control fails/can't be used, for rape or health reasons.
3. for those who refuse birth control, abortion available, but those not using protection pays for it, but still at a reasonable rate.
This could prevent the need for over 90% of abortions and from what I've read be safer for most women out there than having an abortion... This seems like a win for both sides to me, but I'm guessing there can be no compromising with people on this.
If you want to propose solutions to the wide variety of economic and societal factors that contribute to unwanted pregnancies outside of the very simplistic list you have here I think that’s fantastic. The problem is that even if Americans actually cared enough to fix all the systemic issues there will still be a need for abortion, from rape (which you list), to health problems with the parent or fetus, to the simple, very human act of making a mistake which I am 100% against penalizing in any way.
It’s not a matter of compromise. The need for safe abortions will never, ever go away. And it’s not our job to decide when an abortion is “necessary”. That decision belongs solely to the person carrying the fetus.
I should have added "for health reasons" in number 2... thank you for your input, and I do believe that abortion should always be an option, I was just looking for a way to meet "in the middle" by encouraging birth control use as a primary means to prevent unwanted pregnancies by making it free to all and including a free abortion if it should fail or not be an option for other reasons. At present, I'm not sure of the cost of abortions.
technically and almost literally, it's a parasite until its starts to kick, showing that it now has it's own brain functions, so about halfway through the pregnancy itself
The new law makes it legal to kill the governor himself because he clearly doesn't have a heart.
And why doesn't a pregnant woman get a tax credit for the unborn?
I mean; there is a 6-week-old cell cluster that has no formed organs in Texas. Its name is Greg Abbott.
Because, it is?
You have a forming human inside of you. One who holds another inside is usually called a host. That goes for people's houses too.
I don't see the issue with the name.
because the cells lump has 50/50 chance to become a Man
that s why they care
Because men hate women.
Because the cell cluster will eventually become a human.
I guess I'm a murderer, I kill 100million to-be-kids everyday at midnight!
If you are referring to sperm that is false because those "100million to-be-kids" aren't fertilised eggs.
Right up there with “bacteria being proof of life on Mars but a heartbeat isn’t proof of life on earth”
What are you talking about? Everyone agrees that a fetus is alive.
But being alive doesn’t mean you have a right to life that trumps all other ethical considerations. Otherwise eating meat would be illegal.
An organism has to be fully developed and independent to be called an organism. Otherwise it's just a clump of cell
Antibiotics would too.
a fetus is not alive
It is living tissue. It isn't a person.
living tissue is not a living organism
Eh... this is an interesting question. I'd TEND to agree with you, because most biology texts refer to an "organism" as interdependent cell clusters that are subordinate to some sort of whole. There are some texts that refer to a single cell as an "organism", but as a classification, that doesn't really make sense. So I'd tend to agree with this.
A zygote is defined as an organism by planned parenthood and a variety of medical textbooks.
Well, it is. A cell is the basic unit of life, so if you have one or more living cells, that biologically qualifies as life. But a cluster of cells doesn't think or feel physical sensation. That develops a lot later.
A fetus is neither alive nor dead. It is dormant, like plant seeds
Thank you for being the consensus of everyone's opinions. Can you let us know how we're supposed to feel about pineapple on pizza while you're at it? Oh and also, which do we like more? Cats or dogs?
Nobody is arguing that a fetus isn't alive. The basic unit of life is a cell. A single cell. The fetus is 1 or more cells. So, by biological definition, it's alive.
If you've ever slapped a mosquito, taken antibiotics, or used antibacterial soap, you've aborted life. A cluster of living cells isn't anywhere near the same thing as a human being with a working brain.
Well i mean bacteria is sorta confirmed life at the moment of observation.
I think once a mammals heart starts to beat, life begins. Idk about consciousness but i do think it has something to do with it as well.
Consciousness comes a lot later, as do the nerves responsible for feeling pain or distress. They obviously DO occur at some point, but even a newborn hasn't developed any real emotion yet. Their needs are purely physical. We give them emotional care because their brains need it to develop emotion. But newborns are purely focused on physical need being met.
Cuz we red the bibbllee…. We do what it say do🥴
I’m down for killing everyone
I think you missunderstood he's saying that banning abortion is dum
Also how can it have a "heartbeat" when the heart hasn't even formed yet...
Because power, control and money.
Because its a third world tin pot country.
You keep forgetting that we aren’t people.
We’re baby farms.
Hence host body.
Anti-Natalist ‘til I die.
embryos have no heart or even human chacteristics until month 5, all abortions are done long before that. hesrtbeat my ass. what eccreable liars.
the question rather answers itself, i think.
Why didn’t Texas stop rape before?
Saving it for the midseason cliffhanger to keep ratings up.
Requires a heartbeat bruh…
That 6 week old cluster might be male! /s
Because republicans are fucking demons
Because the fetus is human and the mother is a host?
You’re right, they are both persons
So 6 weeks sounds like a reasonable restriction then if the baby is just a clump of cells at that point in development.
I mean do you suggest that we wait until the brain begins forming in the next couple of weeks?
I say four months, because a fetus starts showing reflexes which can be attributed to pain at 20 weeks and it gains consciousness at around 18-25 weeks, meaning four months is a reasonable time at which a fetus can be considered human
Roe v. Wade used twenty-four weeks because it's a bookmark for viability: if it could survive outside the mother. Not overly complicated and has a certain symmetry to "if the mother was in a car accident" in the case of a wanted pregnancy.
What cracks me up is that the religious standard used in almost every church and in Jewish teachings was "taking the first breath" until people decided to make politics out of it in 1973 (wonder why!) because it's simple and if they're so big on JESUS it matches the larger portion of biblical verses (the bible rarely agrees with itself) and the idea that Adam and Eve were given souls when "breathed into".
The only time deliberate abortion is mentioned in the Bible is instructions on *how to do one*.
These are religious extremists who decided what they wanted to believe and cherry-picked the one or two Bible verses about Jesus in the womb rather than the ones actually about when a fetus is a person. Then as usual, told their illiterate flocks what to think.
Six weeks starts the first day of the last menstrual cycle. Therefore when you're on your period, you're considered a week pregnant if you become pregnant during ovulation, which actually occurs two weeks later. So you're medically considered three weeks pregnant by the time you actually conceive. Assuming you're on a perfect 28 day schedule and test positive the day of your first missed period, you're four weeks pregnant. You now have 10 business days to decide you want an abortion, schedule a confirmation appointment and a possible follow up appointment for the actual abortion assuming they don't prescribe the abortion pill. Six weeks is not long enough to even know you're pregnant.
You are having trouble with basic math. Ovulation occurs 10 - 16 days before your period. If you get pregnant you will at a minimum have a light period two weeks later. 6 weeks comes right up against your next missed period. So okay, let's move the prohibition date to 7weeks. There you go.
I'm sorry you're not understanding but pregnancy is measured from your first full, non-pregnant period and as I stated, ovulation happens about two weeks later. Feel free to Google "how is pregnancy measured?"
Okay then the 6 week moratorium is actually 12 weeks
No it's less than three weeks.
Yeah you're drunk right now I think. Don't have sex you might get pregnant.