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By - __Dawn__Amber__
I don’t even get what the guys take is anyways. Is he saying that if the west was lost, art would cease to exist?
And some veird Deus Vult shit
It's sad that sayings from the fucking dark ages are being used in modern context.
Like I play ck2 and I deus veult cause I launch crusades in 1192. This mitherfucker says deus veult cause he rants abt white supremacy in art in the 2000s.
Even better how he was championing this as a triumph of Men of the West when it was sculpted by a Woman from the East. Whoops.
Well, unless it's the 30 years war he's miraculously referring to...
We’ll bring the mother church back to the German Princedoms any day now!
It’s something they would say during the Crusades. The alt-right adopted it because reasons.
Which is pretty ironic when you think about how the Crusades went, really.
A fuckload of French and Italian dudes got comically rich while at the same time getting rid of a bunch of fanatics and brigands in their communities by sending them to die on another continent?
Basically, God loves white man best and white man is better than every other race/sex.
The internet makes me sad, why do I keep coming here
We find this packaged as alt-right or alt-lite fascism these days, not that the original fascists weren't racist and sexist..
I'm not sure weird is a word I would use here, they tend to go hand in hand
If you're doing a deus vult anywhere other than playing a paladin at the D&D table, it's not a dog whistle anymore, it's just a whistle.
What does deus vult even mean?
"God wills it", to my knowledge at least
Predictably, replying to someone who uses Deus Vult with Inshallah will usually result a totally unironic(to them) rant...
"God wills it", like others have already pointed out. It was originally the battlecry of the European crusaders invading Middle East in the Middle Ages.
If someone uses it online unironically, you can be pretty sure the user is some sort of a far-right wacko who thinks they're in a "holy war against invading Muslims". There are some rare corner cases, like some Catholic orders using the phrase, but you wouldn't see much of that usage online.
>If someone uses it online unironically, you can be pretty sure the user is some sort of a far-right wacko who thinks they're in a "holy war against invading Muslims".
It's right up there with "infidel", "Moron Labe", etc, as far as that sort of thing goes
> "Moron Labe"
Joke or inspired typo?
God wills it, battle cry that became a meme
~~a whistle~~ an entire brass ensemble
Visit r/ShitCrusaderKingsSay for further information
this has to be a new best.
3 comments into an r/all chain and I already have no fucking idea what's happening
This is the legacy and heritage of the West.
Probably Crusader Kings, it's a strategy game, where you manage bloodlines i think, not sure if Incest is part of it.
If your family tree isn’t a circle you’re playing crusader kings wrong
That’s not a whistle, it’s a full blown bark.
Shit at that point its a full on air horn.
High key like Nazis were real into art and opera and stuff right?
Very much so, as long as it was classical. Anything else was labeled "degenerate art" and was confiscated, some to be destroyed or sold off internationally, and the artists were punished.
Yeah, its a typical fascist tactic to call out the good things of history and claim it as part of YOUR legacy. Even if you have nothing to do with it (like Nazis and greek architecture).
The new nazis are big into bragging about Vikings and Norse mythology and symbolism. The people who still practice that faith aren't very happy about it.
Twitter is full of "celebrating Western history" or "the way we were" type accounts that post images glorifying Western culture. Often without comment.
But then the followers--or sometimes the accounts themselves--make the assertions that Western Civilization is in downfall, is superior to other civilizations, or needs to return to some glory day when they ruled the world. It's not even thinly veiled racism.
Umberto Eco’s article on “Ur-Fascism” is a good read here. Point 2:
> "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
> Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
[From the Wikipedia summary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco) (link fixed)
Yeah, it's bullshit. Obviously there's nothing wrong with loving western art because you genuinely like it, but I find that a lot of these people view everything as a competition. The thing I like is THE BEST^TM and nothing can compare, in fact everything else is gross and weird. That's where I draw the line.
One of my former boy wonder Soldiers posted a photo from WW2 about how things use to be and how we've lost our way. It was a still from a Katy Perry video I believe. They dress up their fascist ways behind tradition through the lens of the aesthetics (because hot girl). This dude's wife is mexican, btw. These guys have no self awareness.
The Nazis (literal ones) in Germany were super into realistic art and sculptures, where the only conceivable metric for artistic talent and success was how physically life like the art was, how much national pride it instilled in you, and how much it contributed to the mythology of the nation and it's racial identity. Think Greek statues of strong handsome men.
There was a famous museum they set up for "Degenerate Art" which would have more modern, expressionist art (often from jewish artists), where German citizens would come to view it with disgust and horror. They also seized and burnt such art, and shut down art schools that formed this sort of "Degenerate Art".
So I see this sort of thing as a very similar extension of that same phenomena.
There's a great [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5DqmTtCPiQ) on how fascism has a reactionary disgust at "modern art" if you're interested.
also fascism hates abstract art for some reason, its so strange bc its universal hatred they hold towards such innocuous subjects.
Because they dont want expression, they want art that is easy to consume and focus on the idealized world they want to build.
Exactly that. They want nothing that isnt the clean, sanitized version of their history and narrative. It doesnt even have to be from them either, they'll steal it and call it theirs.
Abstract art requires out of the box thinking and creativity. Fascism is about uniformity and thusly hates creativity unless it's used to enforce uniformity.
Getting rejected from art school really cut ol' Adolf deep
It's not even just Hitler. Art and fascism go back quite a while. A lot of the artists in the Italian Futurism movement were like the literal founders of a lot of fascist ideology. It glorified violence, the destruction of democracy, and the rapid modernization of society, all wrapped up in extreme nationalist rhetoric.
It's funny when you look at their dates of death and a good chunk of them died young in the first world war after they were totally pumped to go fight.
He's just a white supremacist. A good way to spot them out is "defending the west(white people)" getting super hard for classical architecture (see: trump's insane executive order on the matter) and say deus vult like a bunch of nerds
honestly what I don't understand is the reverence to classical architecture, the greeks/romans of the that time period held Germans, Slavs, etc as barbarian savages, while Persians/Egyptians were seen as equals. And typically these types hold pride in being 'Anglo-Saxon' or 'German' when Romans would of held disdain for them.
The Germans and Anglo Saxons did all things during Roman times that they’re now worried that new immigrant populations are going to do to them. They displaced and replaced the Romans through mass migrations and then claimed the Roman legacy as their own. Kind of like how the Romans did the same to the Greeks and Etruscans, etc etc.
While that's true, the idiots who become white supremacists are definetly never aware of that fact
White supremacists are not aware of a great many things, just add this to the list.
The other comments are missing the basis of his ideology. He’s really talking about white women as a whole, not just art. The post REEKS of Great Replacement theory. That’s why he says Deus Vult, the motto of the crusades. He thinks we are in a race war and wants to protect white women from the “not west”
Yeah, that was the creepiest part of it to me. He writes about that statue like he wants to have sex with it; you can almost *feel* the boner poking out between his words. Especially that part about "worship before heaven," that's the kind of thing I would have written if I'd seen that statue when I was a pretentious, angsty, 15-year-old virgin.
I'm imagining this guy's wife walking in on him furiously jackin' it to a pic of that statue. She gasps and clutches her pearls, and he turns to her (as he continues to jack) and yells "Get out! This is an act of *worship* before *heaven!*"
No, just covered marble nipples
its a similar trope that makes people think that African masks were obviously fetishes used for magic while van goghs paintings of these masks were art
Well, at least some of Van Gogh's paintings were actually secret messages for magical time traveling people with massive chins.
Even if it was made by a western man, it’s pretty pathetic to take credit for the work of someone they’ve never met before. Like, what has that twitter guy contributed to society? Lol
Not everyone can be an icon for dork ass losers.
I'm pretty sure that my tombstone will read "icon for dork ass losers," tbh.
We're all here laughing at him 4 years later.
Well, he has (unwittingly) provided greater visibility to a very talented artist. The fact that he probably regrets that and his replies indicate that he’s a racist prick who wouldn’t have supported her otherwise is just icing on the cake.
Right?! Like these fragile white dudes are such losers they have to claim some credit for anything someone who looks like them does. (even tho in this case they were wrong).
How much of a failure in life do you need to be to feel that you need to claim the successes of the ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE as your own just so you feel like you have value as a person?
That's a really nice statue
This is called "art".
This is what men of the West fight, sacrifice and die for.
This is victory.
Is there an example of a female sculptor who committed herself to the same level of detail that a male does with a woman?
None that come to mind.
That sculpture is an act of worship before Heaven, *and it shows*.
The sculptur is a Chinese woman you dork ass losers
Dem nips tho. 👌
Yeah "made in China" motto has been around for years. Even the train tracks that brought supplies and people to build the west was built by men made in China.
Hello, Art. My name's Justin
Agreed, the effect of the dress blowing in the breeze in stunning. I don't know a whole lot about sculpting but I imagine replicating cloth so well takes some serious skill.
[she later painted it](https://ego-alterego.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Beauty-of-female-form-sculptures-by-Luo-Li-Rong1.jpg)
Dork ass losers is pretty perfect
Honestly it’s the perfect words to describe them.
I would very much like to know what they replied to that.
probably "no u"
The alt right and white nationalists are dweebs of the highest order. They're so incredibly insecure about their own numerous, obvious shortcomings that they feel the need to attack other cultures because they know that at heart they're all deeply mediocre.
And they feel the need to claim the accomplishments of others as their own just because they have the same genitals or skin color. That’s when you know you’re a loser, when you have no other way of feeling proud of yourself other than the circumstances of your birth.
Mediocre is a compliment at this point.
So western civilization was built on the love of tiddie
pretty much all civilization??
Helen of Troy had “dem tiddies that launched 1000 ships, tho.”
*dem tiddies* being the original greek?
Yes. It’s Greek for “life-giving balloons.”
ahhhhhh. life all makes sense now.
not all, Minoans for some reason didn't sexualize breasts at all, which lead to women dressing with [huge boob 'windows' in their clothes so that their breasts hung out](https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/500x600/398.jpg.webp?v=1618635609)(sorta NSFW)
I like the posture with which she's holding the snakes. Like she's walking into a party yelling "Hey everyone I brought SNAAAAKES!"
Anyone who know anything about the Greeks knows it was all the love of dick
I would be curious to see this fired. It looks like clay, not stone. I could be wrong about that. I would be curious to see how they handle the weight but also the thickness to prevent cracking. It would need a lot of support. Maybe she is large enough that it is wrapped around metal poles inside that allow the clay to be thin enough? It’s beautiful. Does anyone know the artists name?
Luo Li Rong
Thank you, I see now that she has a pole entering the side we cannot see. That makes more sense.
[Here's a write up. Luo Li Rong is the artist.](https://nextshark.com/alt-right-bro-praises-western-sculpture-gets-destroyed-actually-asian-artist/)
"Only white men can produce nice things" is some next-level bigotry.
"Only white men can produce nice things" is very standard bigotry actually.
For hundreds of years that was the standard attitude in the west (most European nations that went around colonizing). Only white men could produce beautiful things, and everyone else were savages. Even women weren’t emotionally stable enough to produce beautiful art.
> Even women weren’t emotionally stable enough to produce beautiful art.
This is particularly amusing, since quite a few famous male artists were anything but emotional stable.
The peak of western civilization: cutting off your ear. /s
I read a piece in AP Language and Comp about how this was the attitude of most people up to the mid 20th century. Scientists actually believed that women’s brains were genetically inferior to white men’s because they were weighed to be 181 grams smaller. This is an actual quote from a reputed philosopher at the time
> In the most intelligent races, as among the Parisians, there are a large number of women whose brains are closer in size to those of gorillas than to the most developed male brains. This inferiority is so obvious that no one can contest it for a moment; only its degree is worth discussion. All psychologists who have studied the intelligence of women, as well as poets and novelists, recognize today that they represent the most inferior forms of human evolution and that they are closer to children and savages than to an adult, civilized man. They excel in fickleness, inconstancy, absence of thought and logic, and incapacity to reason. Without doubt there exist some distinguished women, very superior to the average man, but they are as exceptional as the birth of any monstrosity, as, for example, of a gorilla with two heads; consequently, we may neglect them entirely.
Here’s the piece if anyone’s inclined to read it https://faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/wbgould.pdf
Jesus christ. I burst out into laughter after every damn line. It’s ridiculous! I also like how they refer to Parisians as their own race, like every damn city has a different human subspecies.
I have an art degree from a couple decades ago and remember finding it weird in art history how once a European appropriated a technique from another culture, suddenly it became an innovative artistic breakthrough.
Like very little time was spent teaching about Japanese woodcuts from artists like Hokusai, and it was only brought up in the context of how they influenced the Impressionists in France. Or how abstract art was somehow an amazing 20th century invention of European and American artists, when in reality Islamic artists and many other cultures had been doing abstract designs for centuries.
A big part of white supremacy is basically claiming white culture is responsible for basically everything good.
Same jackasses that ask "why isn't there a white history month?"
Which is super sad. Even beyond the fact that it's sad because people are being uselessly racist, it's sad because they're effectively closing themselves off to so many great things. Such depressing lives that racists must live. My mind just doesn't get how people could willingly choose to be like this.
Mediocre people who have never achieved anything themselves will cling to any connection, no matter how tenuous or in this case outright false, in order to feel some undeserved sense of accomplishment by linking themselves to someone who has actually made or done something.
The whole alt-right and redpill movements are based on it. Those people have nothing going for them, no talent, no work ethic, no creativity, and so they have to pretend white people or men are inherently superior because the of the way they were born. Because "being born" is literally all they've accomplished in their entire lives.
“I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
What is this from?
Lyndon B Johnson, US president after John F Kennedy. He grew up surrounded by racism but used all his political clout to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed. The quote was said to I believe a staffer of his after they saw some racist-ass signs at a political meeting in the South. Essentially, he correctly pointed out that the wealthy elite white people wanted everyone below them to fight amongst each other instead of banding together against them.
This isn't to say LBJ was a fantastic progressive guy, though. He was an incredibly complex person with lots of shitty things to go along with the good stuff he did.
Had a big wang tho
Can't forget his famous habit of whipping it out and saying "who are we gonna fuck tonight, jumbo?" in front of other people.
The duality of man
And shit with the door open to intimidate others
It's a quote from LBJ, said as an observation, not an endorsement.
Similar reasoning used to explain why they can’t return native artwork to the countries they stole it from. “Only white men can properly look after nice things”
They should at least be honest about the reason.
"By the rules of yoink it is mine now"
To quote James Acaster "we're still looking at it"
the pyramids were built by aliens obviously
Hitler is in Argentina obviously
JFK was killed by Oswald obviously
The moon is real obviously
We all exist as the collective subconscious of a single butterfly-like creature on a plane of existence far beyond anything we can fathom in a timespan that stretches out in relativity; an eternity to us is but a second to the creature. When the creature dies, we all cease to exist with it. Nothing has cause or effect, reality is an illusion, everything you feel isn't actually happening
Ok but sir, even in the realm of relativity and cosmic existential soup, this is still a wendy's.
Sir, this is a metaphysical interpretation of a Wendy's.
I fucking hated that show. It produced some funny memes, but damn if it was not filled with stupid takes.
But who built the aliens? White men. You're welcome.
The "deus vult" didn't tip you off?
Imagine being so insecure, that the most you can come up with about yourself is your skin color and gender
Some people are just full of shit
As a white man, I can barely draw stick figures. Zero chance of me creating anything like that statue.
Just regular old white supremacy, yes. If you see anyone unironically saying the words "deus vult" just run away
Lol “dork ass losers” was spot on
Loves mediocre Austrian landscape painters for sure.
A whole lot of misery would have been avoided if people just bought his paintings.
Yeah, of course I looked at the tiddies first, but then I saw the eyes, and the details on the face. That's a nice sculpture
I’m a straight woman and I too look at the tiddies first ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm a gay man and I too look at the tiddies first
I’m heterosexual and I ... well I actually looked at the hair.. now I feel abnormal
The gown for me. I am always impressed when an artist makes stone look soft and flowing.
If its any consolation, you do clain to be a sociopath anyway.
Think that's actually clay but I agree with your point.
What is clay but soggy stone? In a way you’re making a rock by putting clay together and firing it. Aren’t semantics a blast?
“What is clay but soggy stone?” Seems like some next level philosophizing
Right? This is the craziest shit for me. Like, I want to grab that stone and rub my face in it. Part of me believes is will be like soft linens. The other part of me knows I would be thrown out of the exhibit.
You people make me feel warm and fuzzy inside..
Usually I'm the one that's warm inside, but you're welcome
I'm a bi woman and I looked at titties. They're pretty nice.
I'm asexual and I looked at the tiddies first
I'm a penguin and I looked at the tiddies first
I think the general consensus is EVERYBODY looks at the titties.
Everybody loves boobs! They’re the tits!
My wife hasn’t seen the picture and I know she would look at the tiddies first.
The tiddies and the fabric effect on them is truly masterful. I think anyone would look at those first. Also, I wish my tiddies looked like that, fabric or no fabric.
If you want to cringe with similar material, go to [r/westerncivilization](https://www.reddit.com/r/westerncivilization)
I got banned because I said Jesus wasn't white and blonde... Go figure
It’s set to private :(
Of course it is. Bigots know they shouldn’t be bigots.
or they just want to bigot in private.
They just want to ensure their version of "free speech". You have to understand.
The crazy thing is that these are the same type of people that will screech like a banshee about safe spaces and snowflakes
I can say whatever I want to say, but consequences infringe on my freedom of speech!
people who say deus vult unironically are fucking cringey as hell, jfc
And stupid as fuck, the Christians got mostly STOMPED in the Crusades hahaha
I swear it’s always the kids who were interested in the war parts of history class who are like this
are my eyes fucked up or did you curve this frowny face
Fun fact: you can italicize emojis. *🙂*
Query: "Is there an example of..."
Response: "None that come to mind."
I'll bet next month's rent that these two idiots can't name 5 sculptors between them. Unfortunately, this is typical douchebaggery for these types: sound confident enough in your idiotic assertions and the idiots will believe you without question.
Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?
Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in around us?
down at the 7/11 meeting a dude from kijiji to buy a complete set of vintage Hustler magazines from 1980 to 2000.
Gondor was defending the passes of Anduin the Great at Cair Andros and Osgiliath and was in no possition to offer military aid to the west of Rohan.
“None that come to mind” acting like he can name a single woman sculptor.
I feel like nationalism and racism attract a certain exceptional level of loser: people who have no talent or positive characteristics to speak of, and have to claim the work of others who happen to share your demographics as evidence of your own superiority. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so damaging to society.
"None that come to mind" like he can name a single sculptor.
Oh, that is a satisfying burn. Best use of "dork ass losers" I've seen.
The face looks a lot like Charlize Theron to me.
Me too. A strong resemblance, especially below the eyes.
My best friend is a talented sculptor, I have no talents, this lady did a great job overcoming facial bias. So sculpting a face this precisely outside your own race is doubly difficult when scrutinizing a sculpture to the Nth degree.
你地呢班白癡仔 (you fucking idiots in chinese)
People like this only have an opinion on modern art because of how much Hitler hated it. I have yet to see a stitch of evidence to the contrary.
Don’t get me wrong; you can hate the shit out of modern art all you want and not be a cosplaying fascist prick. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that these sorts of losers are **really mad** about modern art. Fucking *furious* about it. Like it’s trying to diddle their bits against their will. It’s not about wasting money; they don’t get mad when some asshole buys a yacht with multiple helipads and shit. It’s not because it has nothing to say; they regularly rail against what they think it’s trying to say and do. It’s not because it’s boring; they’re dull, boring nitwits themselves. It’s not because of the sacrilege; half of these pricks are atheists and islamophobes who love *certain kinds* of blasphemy. It’s about The Degeneration of Western Society at the hands of Modernists. Read that last sentence near a dog and watch their ears perk up.
It’s fucking wild to me because there’s a lot of modern art I don’t like and a lot that I do. I don’t stop to ask if it’s modern, post-modern, or neo-classical before I decide if I’m going to enjoy it because I’m not a fucking psycho. And I damn sure don’t stop to ask the ethnicity of the artist before I make that decision because I’m not a goddamn racist.
There’s a lot of definitions of art floating around out there but I’m quite partial to Brian Eno’s which defines art as anything we make that we don’t have to. That’s intentionally broad for a lot of reasons. Because it doesn’t matter if it’s a sandwich or a plumbing manifold; any decision that escapes the confines of functionality is an artistic decision. Even something like Facebook has artistic elements. We can all argue over whether or not a piece of art is *good* or *useful* or aesthetically pleasing in any way whatsoever; that’s the subjective bit though. The objective bit, according to Eno anyway, is that the programmer could’ve written the code to do X but they decided to do X and Y by way of Z because they could or they thought it looked better or because that’s just how they prefer it and damned if they know why. It doesn’t matter why; that they did it is all that matters.
And we do it every day. We decide to write something that doesn’t read like stereo instructions, we decide to get fancy when we make ourselves a coffee, we take notes in class or in a meeting and give it a border, maybe doodle something around the margins. We all make art. If you don’t like it then disagree. Fine. But pinning the end of civilization on it when we all know the planet is headed for industry-driven catastrophe is something creepy dipshits do to signal to other creepy dipshits that they read Mein Kampf.
EDIT go on. look into it. the “the intellectual dark web” assholes are obsessed with modern art destroying civilization. It is part of fascism’s fetishization of “traditional values”. Fascism is a very active element in all our lives these days and it’s time some of you folks read up on it.
Even if the sculptor wasn't a Chinese woman, his argument is still ridiculous. There are examples of prehistoric art found across the globe, created tens of thousands of years before "the west" was ever a thing.
Especially ironic considering the so-called progenitors of the “West” (Greeks and Romans) considered Celtic, Germanic and Baltic peoples to be pale, low intelligence savages with an inferior grade of civilization. Treated them like absolute garbage during the process of conquering Northern European tribes
He thinks guys fight, war, and sacrifice over a girl with her tits showing? He also thinks only white men can do anything?? Hmmmm....might need to read some books
I'm always blown away by a sculpture with the thin clothes blown against their body look. Makes you forget it's made of rock.
Also "dork ass losers" is really great.