By - NitroGnome
* [Reactions, hot takes, salt, and venting thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/uprbi3/reactions_hot_takes_salt_and_venting_thread_esc/)
## [[Megathread] Ukraine in Eurovision 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/uoopjh/megathread_ukraine_in_eurovision_2022/)
> In the analysis of jury voting by the European Broadcasting Union’s (EBU) pan-European voting partner after the Second Dress Rehearsal of the Second Semi-Final of the 2022 Eurovision Song Contest, certain irregular voting patterns were identified in the results of six countries.
> In order to comply with the Contest’s Voting Instructions, the EBU worked with its voting partner to calculate a substitute aggregated result for each country concerned for both the Second-Semi Final and the Grand Final (calculated based on the results of other countries with similar voting records).
> This process was acknowledged by the Independent Voting Monitor.
> The EBU takes any suspected attempts to manipulate the voting at the Eurovision Song Contest extremely seriously and has the right to remove such votes in accordance with the Official Voting Instructions, irrespective of whether or not such votes are likely to influence the results and/or outcome of the voting.
Am I the only one who liked Achille Lauro’s song? I agree, the outfit was too “maneskinesque”, but the song was actually good IMHO
I did as well. Decent stuff.
AJ Odudu announcing the U.K. jury votes was super fun. *Helloooooooooooh*! *Live, from Greater Manchester! Get in!!*
Complete glowup from whatever cringe mess Amanda Holden got us into last year 😁💜
Yes I liked her. No idea who she is, but definitely made a favourable impression.
She’s a TV presenter over here in the U.K., what you saw is her general bubbly funny Northern English self :).
She also did brilliantly in our version of Dancing With The Stars last year (as from what I gather, a first-time dancer with no previous training!) - sadly she had to withdraw from the final with an ankle injury, and it was a shame, because she was very hotly tipped to win. She’s a good lady! :)
I have watched ESC 2020 UK, AUS and YouTube versions back to back its a shame that SBS Australia replaced Mika, the woman performances with commercial breaks (both live and replay). I think its best to watch the BBC version (UK), if you want to hear the TV presenter jokes, or on YouTube (if you dont mind watching without any presenters)
UGH! *ESC 2022
Only me who hoped for a double null point for Germany this year
Wow Ukraine won. What a coincidence
I've never watched Eurovision before. I decided to give it a go this year and watch the semi-finals (which I found very cool btw). But then I was going to watch the finals yesterday and I noticed that they were playing the same songs they showed in the finals. Is it really how it goes? Each band has just one song for the whole competition?
Yes. It is the song itself that is competing you see, not the band or artist. Because it's so large now we have the semi finals to narrow down who get's to participate on the main stage. Now this can be very fun if you get into the hype early and pick your favourite song and follow it though the competition. However, if that's not what appeals to you you can also chose to only watch the final, but you will miss out on the inside jokes and rivalries that formed in the lead up.
Yea, all participating countries gets to only send an original song by an artist or a band that can at max be 3 minutes long, all entries can also just have maximum 6 people at stage
I kown that eurovision has ended sadly but I think that everyone can agree the Lithuania got absolutely robbed she deserved to be Top 5
And latvia too.
E-hee e-hee I am not alone. Theres people who is watching the replay live on telly now
i missed the show as well and i am looking for a torrent or a repeat in the US , do you happen to know if one is available?
Also, there is a BBC Radio 2 version, I havent tried that yet and not sure if the presenter (voiceover) was the same and can be downloaded without VPN. I love Graham's jokes so I downloaded both m4a and mp4 of the BBC One ESC. EDIT: I think Mika's performance better on the Radio (or any live feeds without picture) xD.
A good VPN and Get_iPlayer, YouTube-dl will do the job. Avoid the SBS version, its incomplete because commercial breaks. BBC and YouTube version are ok.
Thank you kindly
Also you wont hear Eurovision Confidential on the SBS AUS Version
Anyone watching the repeat on SBS HD now?
It was great to watch it with ESC newbies (easy to find here in the US). My husband's (male) friends LOVED Norway and its weirdness. The whole group liked Spain and, at the beginning of voting, thought she'd win. I was thrilled that Spain, the UK, and Sweden did so well! I am happy for Ukraine too but sad about Czech Republic.
I didn't know how everyone would do patience-wise with how drawn out the jury vote spectacle is, but they loved it. Everyone was going nuts for the different spokespeople's looks and personalities, not to mention the awkwardness and technical difficulties.
I am really getting my husband into Eurovision, and he is falling into the trap...muahaha. The past week, he kept saying "bidi zdrava" over and over. Now he keeps saying "hola mi bebebe" to me. At one point, later tonight (it was about 2-6pm for us), I forgot a detail and asked "Who did Israel give its douze points to?" He immediately shot back, "Sweden!" He is learning so well.
I kept thinking Nadir needed a haircut (and shouldn't have gone to the Final when Brooke didn't). Then he got one and it looked great! It's so funny because there's usually complete similarity between semifinal and final looks.
Spain clearly takes Portugal for granted.
Anyone seen the boob-slip of the guitar girl from maneskin? Or was it just me xD
They're all legally men
The correct spelling is Måneskin, which changes the pronunciation to Mo-ne-skin. Even if you were trying to make some terrible joke about the name in relation to its members, you didn't even get that part right.
Good eyes you got there I guess you could say she showed some skin... ok I'll leave now
It was a great contest this year, I liked about 5, I think, congratulations to the Ukraine, it was brilliant, you were so good and thank you to Norway, you made me so happy, great job Sam, you did a brilliant job and were really good, Graham Norton really made me laugh with his saltiness too, thank you Italy for a great show
I'm so happy that Switzerland got zero points....I'm sure he's a nice person,but that song was truly atrocious
He is an nft dude so
No Fotes for neuTral
I'm just wondering, what was up with the czech republics song? it did really well points wise in the semi finals, at least compared to how it did in the finals. Also I could be wrong but it seemed to sound much better then too?
I know people are crying about injustice… but can we all agree that justice was served when Switzerland’s public vote was announced?
Just sit back and enjoy the shit show of drunk angry redditors euro vision is about sharing and enjoying others cultures not rage and bitterness get your pop corn this will be a long one have a good one all.
Slava Ukraini and also a big congratulations to Sam - did the UK very proud tonight. Really enjoyable final with lots of interesting and worthy entrants - Portugal & Netherlands were surprise standouts for me. Here’s to next year!
Sheldon being beautifully emotional right after his performance <3
The Mika fueled throwback to my childhood, tbh.
Random, but one of the Subwoolfer dudes completely stealing all the attention from the hosts at one point with his head in the bottom right lol. Also Serbia being #1 for a little while.
same! subwoolfer trying to get a hug was my fav moment
Yeah, wasn't a big fan of their song but they'll undoubtedly pop into my mind first when I think of the 2022 contest whether I like it or not haha
It's an ear worm
YAY UKRAINE YAYAYAYAYAAY🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Honest question, what is all the fuzz about the serbian song?
It makes more sense now! Thank you
it's strange, artistic, I like it though
Loved the tempo and the onstage performance...truly a proper Eurovision song
Calling it a song is a bit of a stretch.
Oh? It was sung, it has a tempo and a tune. It's not at all un-songlike
It was spoken. I heard no singing.
So do you also consider rap not songs?
Gregorian chants? (Not that those are common on ESC)
I agree, apparently the message is deep but I read it’s about modern society forcing us to be healthy to an unhealthy degree and I don’t see how that is something groundbreaking. Am I missing something?
I'm sure it's a great political message.
But this isn't instagram, it's a SONG contest, and they didn't SING.
You dont have to sing in a song. You dont have to make bubbles with bubblegum. Just because the words are formed by others does not mean that it is the same. If your automobile is out of gas, you are not automaticly mobile... is it an automobile then? Ffs
It's a healthy song.
Maldova got robbed, I can't sleep tonight.
Latvia as well. It deserved better than not budging an inch from the semis.
Its funky stylishness would have been the perfect break from the mostly toilet break-esque performances.
My earliest Eurovision memory was Anabel Conde finishing second back in 1995 and I never thought I would live to see another great result from Spain. Here's to more top 10 finishes in the next editions!!!
Spain literally won in about 2015? Don't remember which year tho
Sweden won in 2015. That was Mån's performance of Heroes. I'm guessing you are thinking of Salvador Sobral winning in 2017, but he is Portuguese not Spanish. Spain hasn't won since 1969 when it shared first place with The UK, The Netherlands, and France.
They have not won since the 1960s.
Big 5 did a good job, France and Germany have to learn for next year
loved France to be honest, altjough Ukraine did the same thing better last year
German guy wasn't great, but not straight-up annoying, so that's something
Goodnight everyone. Until next year 💜💜💜
just checked latvia was 14th in their semi-final there’s no hope for this continent is there
Latvia got more jury points than televote, I'm gagged.
The semi results are wack, Australia was SECOND???
and Czech Republic was 4th… what happened there 😭😭
Serbia or Estonia deserved too win but we all know what happened see you all next year?
Congratulations Ukraine! So proud of Sam! Wishing all of Europe lots of love from the UK. Slava Ukrainei! 🇺🇦
It's been 40 minutes and the thing I'm most salty about is still the juries screwing Moldova over.
it's a classic case of fun entry that's loved by televoters and ignored by juries, i fully expected it to happen this way tbh
Justice for Maldova!!!
Get moldova it
Italy losing Eurovision: Knew it. Also song was trash. And I'm Italian.
Ukraine winning Eurovision: Eh, not really interested.
Moldova losing Eurovision: DAMN YOU, IT DESERVED TO WIN!
Imho la rappresentante di lista would've been top3 this year, that song was perfect for eurovision
Either that or one of these choices:
- Gianni Morandi
- Dargen D'Amico
- Ditonellapiaga & Rettore
ALL BUT THAT LOUSY BALLAD.
I'm Italian and I approve this comment with all my heart, spirit and pasta.
Justice for Moldova!
I'm still humming the Ukrainian song. Not mad at the result at all. The juxtaposition of the UK winning this year from zero points last year would have been fun, but two good songs and you can't fault Ukraine for winning.
The same as France.. oops..
Yeah. It is a great song.. maybe top 10. Like France...
I honestly can’t even remember the tune of the French one. The performance was cool though.
The one I’m still singing is Iceland’s from last year :D
Seriously, how does it keep getting better?
That is a common one on our house playlist. And out of the house :)
Dadi Freyr is a boss tho
Congratulations Ukraine. As first runners-up I hope all of us here in the UK will do everything possible to help you host next years contest and make it the bestest yet. Slava Ukraini!
I hope all the saltiness from the fans this year calms down and we get to enjoy next year's competition as a celebration of both Ukraine and UK (presumably you'll have a decent chance of hosting). Looking forward to a fantastic contest next year!
Im seing an Interview of the spanish girl and the ukranian flute is to be heard in the background😂 loving it, they all sound so happy
We can support Ukraine just struggle for independence and freedom, and not vote for them on every single competition
That s the part of their soft power. War was in 2016, too.
cheap win for ukraine... peoples votes where on brittan/sweden, clearly it was politics at play.
No they were not. The 2nd place for the televoters was Moldova so you can just shut the f up.
It was the public vote that put Ukraine in front. Jury votes had UK winning
The bar was set high last year and it's not reaching up there again.
Ukraine can’t even host next year can they? What with the war?
Chances are UK will be hosting on their behalf
Some fans are so toxic. I have read multiple comments attacking Ukraine beyond the competition. Wtf. At the end of the day it’s just a competition and Ukraine is going through unimaginable pain while you’re getting competitive over a singing competition. Stop.
They’re not even bots, they have comment histories in their home country subreddits. Some people are too much.
I also had that pain in Yugoslav wars.Didnt get any sympathy tho.Weird huh."It's just a competition"
Yet whole arena goes mad when Cyprus votes for Greece.Also it would have been way better if they just didn't allow them.It was so obvious who would win,and for what reason.
To be fair, imagine disallowing a country because they got invaded. "Sorry, you got invaded so you've been barred from our singing competition. I know it's salt in the wound but it's not fair so you can come back when you're not being invaded anymore."
Agreed small one.
I think I nearly fainted when we got 12 points from France
Me too! I thought I jumped into the tardis and entered a new timeline!
That was biggest shock of the night, by a long way.
Sam est extraordinaire et le meilleur ce soir.
Cmon man. That's not in the spirit of Eurovision. We're here to celebrate each other's cultures and have fun, not cut each other down. Ukraine could use a morale boost right now, and if voting for a singer to win a competition is all it takes, then that's amazing. And if they need help to host it next year, whether that's money or engineers or anything else, we should be proud to stand by them and do what we can. This sends a much bigger message than "we liked your song".
They won't, UK will probably host
Only for the judges, the voters said otherwise. It hurts less if you accept it
Uh... just no. Buona notte.
Fratm non credo che achille lauro avesse speranze di vincere
I really liked France! At least they sounded a bit more experimental.
I really didn't like France. They're was something really grating about it
France was originally my favourite but their singing was terrible this time around. Which is a shame because they were great in their other performances.
I think the sound engineer must’ve done them dirty, maybe they couldn’t hear the track from the monitors properly
If you think they did terrible I guess you haven't heard their very first performance at the press conference back in January or February.
I preferred Spain the most but I also liked France. They were seriously cheated!
Probably to much like a Shum copy. But I liked it also 😅
Tbh, same could be said for Ukraine! No shade, putting politics aside, Ukraine was in my top 3 with France, Portugal and Serbia just behind them. I do think Shum brought this very Unique folklore, culture, modern upgrade energy that definitely seems to have inspired France and Ukraine, but I wouldn’t see it as carbon copies, I think they brought their own perception into it
Yeah I think your generally right. But while ukraines current entry only has the similarities in the chorus (and is besides that a rap song), the French song is basically in the same genre. Voting just isn't always logical.
Yeah I really don't get their low ranking... It was a unique song, interesting performance and one of the few upbeat entries that made a generally good impression.
congrats to ukraine. It was not difficult to predict what will happen. It's a little bit sad for all other artists, because it's obvious that ideology and politics raise again over Art and Music.
I wonder why Germany is so unpopular? Every year they got nearly zero points. Always last rank, no matter what song they present. It can't be too woke, can't it?
Even germany hates the german songs. We had eskimo/electric callboy apply for esc, but the casters in germany are so goddamn incompetent and ignorant they said they were not "radiotauglich" (pretty much means: not as fucking lame and dulled down as the mainstream radio bs that gets shoved down your throat that everyone with a bit of musical interest and less then 1% blood alcohol hates). I mean who the FUCK cares? We want to win. We dont want some radio-bs to represent us. Then they even tried to block all comments about EC. Noone likes them.
I was sad that we did not have 0 points total, but the swiss guy tried REALLY hard to be shit, just like the italians struggled with harmonies and even their notes. 50% was about to make me fall asleep.
Germany came 4th in 2018, which is pretty recent
Eh, it was really bad song from Germany. Guy sounded like every single LA teenager
All of the top jury picks sounded like teenagers... Greece, UK, Sweden... So on...
Germany usually disappoints every one nothing new here.
yeah, I wonder why they send always something soooo generic. Generic to the extent it has nothing in common with Germany
Because the morons who decide who comes have no clue about music. They just want a song that they can play on the radio 24 7.
I rather liked Germany's entry, but each to their own I suppose.
Gentlemen, it has been a pleasure commenting on this Eurovision with you. And congratulations to Ukraine!
I want to see the split results. It would be insane if a song with 0 on any half of the votes managed to qualify.
Yeah IMHO Latvia could have done much better...
from what I have been able to see, Latvia actually did better with juries than with televote. However, they didn't get a top 10 placement on either side.
And the 0 point thing did happen. Azerbaijan got 0 from televote and qualified in 10th place thanks to only juries.
I’m really glad to be a part of Europe! I hope you all had a fun night
I think it’s beautiful Eurovision can be used as a way of showing Ukraine Europe stands with them. Congrats Ukraine ❤️❤️
Wish we could had done so in another way, maybe in the show? Or will we do the same in olympics etc?
Make the whole show in honor of Ukraine but letting them win just feels wrong for some reason.
The public doesn't vote for olympics winners. Hope this helps <3
Eurovision is a subjective popularity contest, the Olympics are absolutely not. You kind of missed the point you wanted to make.
I understand if you don’t personally agree with the final order, but it’s only Eurovision. I’ve seen some disgusting comments on here and twitter.
I’m actually shocked we didn’t see more references to Ukraine through the performances!
I mean it was public votes, if that’s what people wanted to do you can’t really stop them
Lmao, it wasn't the best song. Catchy, but not the best
While I don't think it was the best, but no way Spain or Italy was better.
Edit: I do think Ukraine was in a top 5 songs
Italy was utter shit, Spain gave great performance. Ukraine was 8-10 place song at best
Spain was definitely an entertaining performance. But I was shocked when I saw Italy rising to the top, it was the worst song in this whole contest this year...
Switzerland was just... wtf? The song was generic, the execution lacklustre, and the performance looked like they somehow forgot to prepare at all and just picked the nearest gel to shine on his face for 'effect'.
It wasn't the worst (looking at you Belgium), but it was terrible
Extremely proud that the message that won was simply one of love.
I think it would be hard to say politics aside because politics will always have a say, but what won was a unity of people supporting and loving something greater than ourselves and supporting people's right to resist their annihilation and people refusing to say no.
Also extremely proud of Sam Ryder and that finally the UK has some pride in an act we sent, will always be bittersweet that we were so close and what's happening in the world meant it's not our time but instead we can give our platform to people who's voices matter more.
*may have had one too many bucks fizz
Extremely proud? If someone wins a SONG contest for political reasons, it is just rigged. No honor on that.
Instead of being here throwing shade at ukraine because your spain didn't win, just be happy that Spain got so high for once when you've been failing hard every year.
Now repeat it without crying
Congratulations Ukraine! And well done Sam for the UK!
I’m happy Ukraine won and Sam was so deserving of second place; the UK has so many great musicians, they just need to send some!
I’m glad Moldova and Serbia got some love in the televote as well.
Is anyone else getting bombarded by hot takes from people who usually make fun of you for liking Eurovison, but suddenly are full of opinions about which song should have won and how its political bullshit? 🤨
lol yes they were ready to go with the Ukraine, political bullshit but they don't actually care.
UK gets 0 points: brits mad
UK comes second: brits mad
I'm not mad. After years of really poor showing, it was nice to actually have someone who was in the running.
And I think if we had managed to just pip Ukraine, the UK would have been really unpopular.
I thought 2nd place was an amazing finish. Sam did great! Never expected a win, would have been happy with left side of the board!
Brit here! Not mad, congrats Ukraine! ♥️🇺🇦🇬🇧
I don't see many mad Brits tbh. Most of the salt seem unflaired
were never going to get enough public votes, regardless of the Ukraine situation.
I'm not mad I can't stop smiling :)
In our defence, we were robbed this year.
Sam’s fucking great, fully deserved top spot
I really liked Sam, and was delighted for him and the UK, whose hearts were really in it again (and most of my faves weren’t close to winning so my opinion isn’t valuable), but it just wasn’t a winner to me… glad of the great UK Comeback and wouldn’t have been made me mad if it won,but out of the UK, Spain, Sweden, and Ukraine, Ukraine is the one that’s been stuck in my head for the past few weeks, that I’m excited to rewatch/re listen
But that’s completely subjective, totally fair to disagree. UK deserves a high spot at the very least so I’m glad they got the support
Yeah, but remember that without Ucraine, Spain would have won.
Not true since the televoters put spain lower than Moldova 🤣🤣
We were second on points?
Mm, hard to say for sure. Very jury friendly and I think Spain might have taken the top spot but we'll never know! Great showing regardless, glad to see the UK back on form
Same tbh, really good performance from our fella so hope to see his career go far
I'm cool with ukraine winning (still prefer alina pash tho)
but without war I think it's booty hypnotic not sam that's winning this year
Yeah, people are mad but seriously just a lot of booty would have likely won
What happened with Alina?
Omg istg!!!! Pity votes smhh,, it was totally unpredictable that Ukraine would win! This is outrageous i am AngerY
Yeah let them have at least one joy, eurovision can't be separated from politics
Maybe i should stop doing this, ppl didn't realize i wasn't serious, i agree with you
I think it was pretty obvious you were joking but ppl are still feeling touchy ig not enough time passed