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blueAztech

This takes a lot of investment, but is fun when you pull it off: tempest cleric, storm sorcery multiclass - cast fireball using transmuted spell to make it thunder, then use channel divinity for maximum damage.


TheStylemage

Couldn't you have just used Lightning Bolt with Evocation Wizard instead?


Lamplorde

Or Fireball as Scribe Wizard who also knows Lightning Bolt.


TheStylemage

Or Thunder Step.


AwkwardKirby4305

Or shocking grasp


Lamplorde

That doesnt work for Scribe Wizard to make a Lightning Fireball. > When you cast a wizard spell with a spell slot, you can temporarily replace its damage type with a type that appears in another spell in your spellbook, which magically alters the spell’s formula for this casting only. **The latter spell must be of the same level as the spell slot you expend.**


AwkwardKirby4305

Also, that wasn’t meant to be rude, I forgot I let it slide


AwkwardKirby4305

Fair enough, but also, I don’t agree with that ruling therefor my players don’t have to follow it, more fun for them without insane breakage


blueAztech

Yes, but lightning bolt often only catches two or possibly three creatures. Also, for lighting bolt, each creature behind the first one has half cover (+2 to the save)


Macca573

Does cover apply in this instance? Dam, that sucks.


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blueAztech

"A target with half cover has a +2 bonus to AC and Dexterity saving throws. A target has half cover if an obstacle blocks at least half of its body. The obstacle might be a low wall, a large piece of furniture, a narrow tree trunk, or a creature, whether that creature is an enemy or a friend." Read the last part.


ammcneil

They unfortunately do, I had to double check myself because I thought as you did, it's in both the rules for cover, and the sage advice compendium. Partial cover (+2) for any ranged attack where there is a creature, friend or foe, between you and your target, and. +2 to dex saving throws under the same condition The amount of times I have seen this observed is legitimately 0. But it is RAW Edited to clarify the rule. Here it is below: >A target with half cover has a +2 bonus to AC and Dexterity saving throws. A target has half cover if an obstacle blocks at least half of its body. The obstacle might be a low wall, a large piece of furniture, a narrow tree trunk, or a creature, whether that creature is an enemy or a friend.


Sgt_Sarcastic

Lightning bolt is not a ranged attack. It is an AoE with a saving throw.


ammcneil

It doesn't matter, ranged attack was a slip on my part, I'll edit it >A target with half cover has a +2 bonus to AC and Dexterity saving throws. A target has half cover if an obstacle blocks at least half of its body. The obstacle might be a low wall, a large piece of furniture, a narrow tree trunk, or a creature, whether that creature is an enemy or a friend.


WillardWhite

I don't think it would provide cover, for the creature is not a "target" it just happens to be standing in a square that is also populated by lighting When you cast lighting bolt, you don't declare targets. You only declare a direction. Compare the phrasing of eldritch blast vs lighting bolt https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Lightning%20Bolt#content https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Lightning%20Bolt#content While eldritch blast talks about targets and spell attacks, the bolt only talk about affecting an area


ammcneil

I want to believe you, but >https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Lightning%20Bolt#content Lighting bolt is a line aoe spell, so it will naturally have different language. The spell however describes a clear point of origin and direction . The rules for a line aoe support this >A line extends from its point of Origin in a straight path up to its length and covers an area defined by its width. A line’s point of Origin is not included in the line’s area of Effect, unless you decide otherwise. I don't think the verbiage of target is relevant as the creature that has cover has it regardless of it being a target, it is covered from anything originating from the direction it is covered from If we are to look at similar spells to lightning bolt, >https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Fireball#content Fireball specifically addresses that the spell goes around corners to avoid the cover rule. Lighting bolt would have to do that as well Edit : corrected spelling. Thanks autocucumber...


WillardWhite

I don't believe the bit about corners matters in this point. It is there to say that if you throw it, you can hit people around the corner, which the lighting bolt wouldn't be able to do because it's just a straight line. The cover rule is specifically something blocking between you and your target. but the creature is not being damaged by you. It is being damaged by the square that it is standing on, which happens to have lightning on it. unlike an arrow, which flies from you, avoiding the other dude, and then into the creature. ​ now look at the mechanics of resolving an eldrich blast (using eldrich because it is a multi target range spell) vs bolt/fireball ​ on eldritch you say I cast it at X level, and these two dudes will be hit. then the DM says "the second creature is kinda behind the other dude, so he'll have cover" ​ on fireball/lighting bolt you say "i cast it at x level starting from this square", then the dm measures who would be affected by it. you are not targeting the creatures directly. you are just making a hazardous environment right on their feet. so cover doesn't matter because the damage source can be considered to be the area they are standing on.


ammcneil

>you are not targeting the creatures directly. you are just making a hazardous environment right on their feet. so cover doesn't matter because the damage source can be considered to be the area they are standing on. This still doesn't matter. Line attacks have an origin, and a direction, and thus you can have cover from them. The entire line isn't suddenly lightning, the cover rule says they get +2 to dex saves, this is as clear cut as a rule gets in 5E, I hate to say it because I don't want to agree with the rule either but I really feel like you are grasping at straws here. EB is not relevant in this discussion, it is way to odd of an ability to be relevant in any discussion as it's pretty singular in its implementation honestly If what you are saying is true, the lightning bolt just shouldn't have a dex save component to it, because it would be impossible to utilize dex to mitigate the damage you take from a spell that is omnipresent in the squares you are standing in. Edit: something else has occured to me, I can't possibly imagine why the cover rule would state that the character gets a +2 to save DC for being behind cover if that doesn't count for AOE spells which are the primary source of forced dex saves, off the top of my head I can't think of one instance that rule would be relevant if *not* for things like lightning bolt with its line aoe ..


bam13302

Or fireball with evocation wizard, though the cleric sorcerer multiclass can do way more maximized spells/day


DamianThePhoenix

Scribe Wizard can do this as well, without expending a resource to change the damage type.


Stray_Punk

Can't this also be done by taking Metamagic Adept feat? The only disadvantage is you'd only have 2 sorcery points.


blueAztech

Fireball isn't on the cleric spell list, and they get no spells remotely as good for max-damaging. You could go wizard and take metamagic adept instead, though - evocation would be great for not obliterating your allies with this combo.


Thatonesheepcow

Or order of scribes wizard


savagegiraffe15

Upvote because Trevor


FreelancePsychonaut

RIP Gone way too soon


KrosseStarwind

These boys were the masterclass of my childhood. Rest in peace, you magnificent shmuck.


Lag_Incarnate

Last session our Tempest Cleric, Wizard, and Fighter used Control Water, Mold Earth, and shovel to flood a goblin camp using a nearby river.


DontBeHumanTrash

Theres no war like ecological war?


Papaofmonsters

Tywin Lannister approves.


Malashae

My tempest cleric got their hands on a javelin of lightning early... They are a very happy dwarf.


VercarR

This comment is approved by the tempest cleric gang. Tempest cleric best cleric


kprevenew93

This from a movie or show?


chain_letter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpC_hO15IoA


kprevenew93

Thanks! This was incredibly funny


MrSejd

What if you use Ring of the Grammarian to change "Shatter" into "Shitter"?


TH3IR0NCL00CH

*Oh hey babe* **STARTS AGGRESSIVELY SHITTING**


WillPossible1788

Arcana clerics be like *laughs in Wish*


JagoKestral

But they can't just choose to do max damage at will and also take longer to come online.


HickaruDragon

At will? Isn't it your channel divinity?


WillPossible1788

Arcana comes online at 1. Tempest at 2. I wont argue max damage but arcanas aggressive in every tier. Unlike tempest nothing hard counters its abilities. Damage specialists face immunity and absorption depending on type. Max damage is not fun if the statblock has spell reflection either, at least for the PC.


scatterbrain-d

What exactly is "coming online" for Arcana clerics at level 1? Their sweet cantrips? Tempest's CD is what makes the meme. Everything else can be done at least as well by others, but max spell damage is very rare and just feels very powerful at the table. Yeah, it can be countered, but this is a meme, not a deep game discussion. The feel of power is all that matters.


WillPossible1788

"What exactly is coming online" "Not a deep game discussion" Pick one fam 🤣 My original comment was a joke to compliment the meme. Theyre the two hardest hitting clerics in the game in my experience as a forever dm that ends games in late tiers.


HistoricalPattern76

*buff silently in peace domain*


DoctorMcCoy1701

I’m playing a Tempest Cleric right now and my DM allowed me take Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning. Life is good.


LordToastALot

Shame storm sorcerer sucks in comparison.


Bob_the_Monitor

The strongest character I ever played was a Tempest Cleric 8/Eldritch Knight 3. Booming Blade on a Tempest Cleric is *absurd*


Lycurgus-117

I took magic initiate on my tempest cleric. Booming blade and a familiar to give the help action. It’s… very nice.


borderlinebiscuit

How did having a familiar help? I have a familiar but I'm not really sure what use it is. First time playing a wizard


UwUShaxx

Have the familiar take the help action giving your or a party member advantage.


borderlinebiscuit

I think my DM would be asking "how exactly are they helping" I don't think they would let me just use a help action. That's my DM tho idk


UwUShaxx

Give it go! If it works cool, if not then still got yourself a dope lil friend


Lycurgus-117

In combat, they distract the target so they are easier to hit, just like anyone taking the help action. The owl flies by, the cat pounces on him, etc. And if your DM is the rules lawyer type, the actual text of find familiar says “A familiar can't Attack, but it can take other Actions as normal.” The help action is an action just as much as disengage and dash are.


SalmonSpace

Forgetting Fog Cloud too. Highly underrated spell!


Zodiac36Gold

Ok, what film is this? I need to know!


Noob_Guy_666

that's, like, 3 non-Cleric spell, meaning that it's disqualified entirely


TheTrueThymeLord

Thunder wave, call lightning, and shatter are all on the tempest domain spell list


Noob_Guy_666

keyword, "Domain" spell list, meaning that Cleric do **NOT** get it by default


TheTrueThymeLord

Yes but the meme is specifically about tempest domain, so I don’t get what the issue is.


Noob_Guy_666

meaning that other cleric, Light Domain for example, can **NOT** use it


TheTrueThymeLord

That’s kinda the whole point of the meme


RakshasKillsChildren

Thats the point


BlackWACat

the meme is about a Tempest Cleric the title is about a Tempest Cleric are you okay?


chain_letter

That's why they're number 2.


This-Sheepherder-581

The Ruby Weave Gem is my favorite magic item for this subclass. There’s nothing like maximizing a *chain lightning’s* damage.