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Luckily I’ve never had to deal with this myself

Luckily I’ve never had to deal with this myself

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Kindofaniceguy

I used to think material components were really annoying. Then I actually read what spellcasting focuses, component pouches, and holy symbols do and they make a lot more sense


Wobbelblob

Exactly. The only ones you actually need are there to balance out some otherwise fucking strong spells.


Tryoxin

Like, imagine being able to just cast True Resurrection *at will* (well, limited by spell slots, but still). That'd be fucking bonkers. By level 5, PC death would just no longer be possible because of Revivify.


redlaWw

Just have everyone but the cleric be a zealot barbarian.


FacedCrown

Dont forget the backup cleric for when the first one dies


Pieinthesky42

Well no. A focus, pouch, or symbol, cannot cover the cost of a consumable spell component. You don’t have to worry about every bit of sulphur or holly leaf but large diamonds (typically) for the big spells you DO need to have and they are consumed. It is worth reading the spells before breaking the game.


Tryoxin

Yea I know, that's exactly what we're talking about. I think perhaps you've misunderstood this thread. "Material components are necessary because otherwise, you'd be able to cast spells like True Resurrection and Revivify basically at will," is exactly what we're saying.


DelgadoTheRaat

But they also need to be prepared and can only be replenished after a long rest. Add in difficult to obtain components also spells can miss and be counter spelled. You could get a bad role with your big spell and be reduced to being goblin bait


StarGaurdianBard

The spells that cost material components not covered by focuses, material pouch, or holy symbol mostly encompasses stuff like resurrection spells which can easily wait for a long rest to prepare it without any downsides for the most part.


cookiedough320

Reading the rules really does make the rules make more sense.


Gazelle_Diamond

Imagine how broken casters would be (especially clerics) if they didn't have to buy components for their spells. Holy shit


bumpercarbustier

My DM ruled that only components that had a specified cost had to be obtained, since the spell consumes the component(s). This was after I spent like two full sessions, as a cleric, not casting, because it was my first campaign and I had about nothing on me to cast. So we had to get that sorted out because I was useless.


S1nren

Thats how it works anyway. As a cleric your holy symbol is your spellcasting focus which replaces all material components that don't have a price (or get consumed). The focus should be in your starting gear.


bumpercarbustier

Right, I guess "ruled" was a bad choice of words, that's on me. This is just to say that it wasn't all explained to me prior to the start of the campaign so I get why it would be confusing, especially to someone who is new to DnD or new to casters.


Ardub23

Just a small detail: A spell that lists a cost for its components doesn't necessarily consume them, unless it also says "…which the spell consumes". But even if the components aren't consumed, you can't substitute a spellcasting focus for components that have a specified cost.


gingerdude97

Yeah, chromatic orb is the main one that people bring up as having a component that can be hard to get early game but doesn’t get consumed


knetmos

Identify would be another one


khanzarate

I always use the variant rule to not have short rest identification. But without variants, Identify is.... not useful. A niche circumstance could be invented where it'd beat out a short rest identify, but realistically it's fine to have a long rest, even, between finding and identifying/attuning to a new item.


cookiedough320

Did you or your GM read the rules on spellcasting in the PHB?


bumpercarbustier

Yes, sorry. "Ruled" was a bad choice of words on my end. He explained to me how it worked. I haven't gone through the PHB, when I asked about books, I was told not to get any yet, as he didn't want our experience spoiled? Or something? All I got when I started was "this is going to be a dinner party murder mystery," that's it. It's CoS. Having any information would have been helpful, but he really wanted to play up the disorienting and "otherness" of the campaign.


WoodwardHoffmannRule

Wait, you don’t make them use the components that you can replace with a component pouch or spell focus, which is normal, or you don’t require them to have components with monetary cost given, like a 500 gp diamond to cast revivify or 25 gp carved bones for augury, which would be weird? Some of those expensive items for mid- to higher-level spells are really intricate and can be a great source of quests. You’re really missing out. Plus, even if a party has the money for thousands of gp worth of diamonds, treating them as rare objects that are still hard to find makes the players put more thought into things that could lead to death. Boring: “We have 30,000 gp, so diamonds for everyone! Who cares if some of us die, we’ll be back, baby!” Interesting: “We could only find one diamond in the last town, so we need to come up with a cool strategy for defeating this without half of us dying.” Interesting: “We can’t find any gems for sale, but there’s a dragon nearby and we can plunder the jewels for the spells we need!”


EmbarrassedLock

Love it


BugsInABigWorld

Do people not use material components? It's actually become a fun plot device in our story to get our hands on rare components. It's very fun. Most casters have focuses for simple components, but for spells like scrying and revivify, it's fun to have something to hunt for. Warriors have armour and weapons to chase, casters have components.


Izizero

Yeah, feels strange not having components. There are some spells that are specifically gated behind those. First thing i'd do is Druid Grove a base of operations on a no-components game, and also hero's feast every day


WoodwardHoffmannRule

Shit, heroes feast would be so broken with no components!


Pieinthesky42

(a gem-encrusted bowl worth at least 1,000 gp, which the spell consumes) A component pouch, focus, or symbol cannot cover the cost of a consumed item. It’s worth reading the spells fully and the instructions in the PHB. The main rules have been balanced, if you disregard them of course it’ll be unbalanced. Heroes feast costs 1,000GP.


WoodwardHoffmannRule

Right, you seem to have walked into the middle of a conversation without taking the time to get any context at all. The person I was responding to and I were discussing the fact that not requiring any material components, such as the 1000 gp bowl, would lend itself toward abuse of certain spells such as Heroes Feast. Actually reading my comment, it is clear that I am aware there is an expensive component to the spell, and therefore allowing it to be used without said component would make the spell prone to abuse, or “broken”. You complete tool.


Pieinthesky42

Complete tool? Whoa dude. Pointing something out and agreeing with you apparently wasn’t enough. Not everyone is attacking you, but I can see why you’d think that with your attitude. Yikes.


CalliopeCarousel

I'm still a somewhat new dm but I never make them find material components. For my table its not fun for them, its tedious to shop or search, and it slows down the game. Now, i need to learn how to implement it in a fun way, but we're pretty rp heavy so tedious mechanics tend to take a back seat.


BugsInABigWorld

Most casters have the option of a component pouch or focus. This covers all components that don't have a cost. Most spells do not use materials with a listed cost. But powerful spells may have a component such as "diamonds worth at least 300 gp". Those are the ones that a focus or component pouch would not cover. Only a handful of spells are like this, and it is listed in the spell description. If you haven't been using this rule, implementing it may annoy your casters. But for us, acquiring the components has been an adventure. We haven't spent our time shopping for them. Mostly they have been rewards for quests. Or dungeon treasure.


chain_letter

All casters can use component pouches, and most can use focuses, actually. Pretty sure Eldritch Knight, Arcane Trickster, non-tasha's Rangers, and spells learned through feats like Ritual Caster and Magic Initiate feat are the main exceptions that may not cast spells using a spellcasting focus. The only option is a component pouch or tracking down the individual components, like a feather for Feather Fall or a bit of fleece for Minor Illusion. Most racial spellcasting does not require material components.


CalliopeCarousel

I didn't realize that but rereading the description that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!


[deleted]

Even for basic components, I think there's merit on sometimes fucking about with these, especially if the spellcaster is becoming a bit too reliant on the same spells every day. E.g. the wizard running out of sulphur to cast Fireball can push them to get more creative until they can replace it, or running out of a certain herb might give the party's ranger a chance to show off their skills, or lead to a new quest or opportunities for roleplaying. Where do you get a new holy symbol for your cleric if you're a continent away from anyone else who worships the same god? Just don't do it too often, of course, and be *very* careful not to completely cripple the spellcaster for any length of time or make them feel like you're punishing them for choosing that class.


Saikotsu

If you're an RP heavy group, have them haggle with a retired wizard for the components. Maybe he'll part with them if the party can bring him some interesting tales. Or maybe he's looking for a rare book in an old abandoned library guarded by fiends. You get a quest and an RP chance.


willteachforlaughs

I think it's fine to not worry about it for low level campaigns, especially for new characters. But, it was a fun RP moment for my eldritch knight that sort of got her powers thrust upon her to be learn from an artificer that some spells work like that and that she needed a pearl for identify to work properly and then try to figure out where or if someone in the small village might have one for sale. I have a cleric that doesn't understand society and money and for sure doesn't have the money yet to pay for the GP cost for revivify, so my plan is to use gentle repose as a stop gap if someone dies and then we'd have to go on a quest to find the diamonds. Me and the wizard spent about 5 minutes trading with another ship for most of the components for the Divination spell and I'll spend a few minutes diving to find a big conch shell for the last thing I need. It can be big or small depending on what it is and why, and can be a nice way to get a little RP or a quest depending on your group. But, I'm sure it can definitely depend on the group and where you are in your story how well it plays out. You could also just do a simple, "you spend an hour looking for X in town and are able to find the things you need for X amount of gold." You could add an investigation roll to see how quickly it's found and/or a persuasion roll to see if they get a good deal.


BuilderAura

For my bard DM just made music my focus and so I just use different styles of music to cast spells.


WoodwardHoffmannRule

Yeah, that’s basically how bards are supposed to work. Most components are replaced with music from an instrument, except components that have a cost in gp listed in the spell.


BuilderAura

And we don't do that... all spells I cast require music as my focus and components are ignored.


chain_letter

Start dropping free Glyphs of Warding any time there's an hour available and Magic Mouths on everything you can touch and see that rule get enforced real quick.


BuilderAura

Still a newbie so I have no idea what that spell is lol


WoodwardHoffmannRule

Glyph of Warding turns anything into a bomb for 200 gp, or for you, free.


BuilderAura

Hah! I need to look into this spell the next time I get to learn more spells.... 😈 thank you!


StarGaurdianBard

Use heroes feast constantly too. Your DM is setting up a landmine for themselves if they arent DMing RAW on these, which is that any spell without a cost can be substituted with an instrument but if it costs gold it cant.


chain_letter

Glyph of Warding is basically a 200gp landmine with specific triggers. Magic Mouth costs 10gp and permanently enchants an object to make whatever sound for you want with specific triggers. They have gold costs mostly because they're very useful but also annoying to track and remember. Permanent spell effects nearly always have material costs because of how powerful it is to convert renewable resources into permanent tools.


BuilderAura

Lots to look into when I get to learn new spells. Thank you!


Aptos283

Which is really sad for magic mouth. I’ve spent far too long trying to come up with ways to spam magic mouth renewably to make magic mouth circuitry


JulienBrightside

The bard in a group got his lute confiscated and the whole group put in a cell. We tried to see if we could make an instrument out of anything, but the only spell my cleric had was "create food and water". The DM wouldn't let us make an instrument out of two pieces of loaf :p


BuilderAura

Oh nooooes. And the poor bard can't cast with singing?


JulienBrightside

The spells we needed had to use the lute I think.


Wobbelblob

Depends. Is a price named and/or it states that the mats are consumed, we have them. Everything else can be replaced by a focus per base rules.


supersmily5

To be fair: It's not a matter of making the player use material components Vs. not doing that. In typical games you can either carry a focus OR a component pouch. You want to play alchemist you can make that choice, but otherwise a focus works perfectly fine. In replacing components that lack a cost that is. A stated cost item MUST be used, so you need the investments. Now, some settings, such as Dark Sun, may not have focuses regularly available, requiring the players to use a component pouch. That's where the real fun begins, especially if you add costless material components to more spells so the players really feel like Full Metal Alchemists and voodoo practitioners.


FoulRookie

I'm confused, isn't the general rule that if you have a spell casting focus you can cast spells that have material components as long as they don't have a cost, like certain spells requiring an object costing 100 gp


EmbarrassedLock

It is


eliecc

wait people don't use components? That must make the game very unbalanced. There are some crazy powerful spells that you can abuse if that's the case.Like any of the resurrection spells / heroes feast / contingency / simulacrum / magic circle + any summon spell + planar binding just to name a few. These spells have material cost for a reason.


HiopXenophil

I think there's a difference in components that are used up, and those who are not consumed.


kingofbreakers

Yea but the RAW says if it indicates a cost at all you need to have the component. It can lead to fun RP stuff sometimes. My sorcerer got the diamond he needs for chromatic orb and he’s always rubbing it when he gets mad like a cowboy fingering a gun.


niobium04

My DM just kind of handwaves away material components for Arcane Tricksters and Eldritch Knights for inexpensive stuff like fleece for Minor Illusion. I hope that's what this means. If they're talking about free revivify that's different.


StarGaurdianBard

Your DM is playing RAW then. RAW you can use an arcane focus, instrument, component pouch, druidic focus, holy symbol, etc to cast any spell as long as it doesn't have a set gold cost (or say it gets consumed) Its not hand waving, its just literally the purpose of those items lol you arent supposed to actually use the materials listed with spells (once again exempting gold cost/consumed components) and its mostly just flavor text


niobium04

The reason I mentioned those specific subclasses is because neither of them can use a focus or explicitly get a component pouch when they gain access to spellcasting. Since we have one of both in our party we kind of just pretend that they acquired component pouches which is kind of handwavy but makes sense. I'm aware of the rules.


StarGaurdianBard

Those classes can use component pouches though?? Component pouches are usable by any class, only arcane foci are locked to certain classes


ds1044

I normally don't worry about components, but one of my favorite sessions had the party in prison, so their components pouch was taken away from them. Our bard was able to create the components she needed from items around the cell to be able to cast enough to get the party out.


followeroftheprince

As has been said by many others, unless it's consumed or there's a gold cost the arcane/divine focus or music instrument for bard, or tools for artificer handle the material component. Never played with a DM who didn't use foci or at least component pouches.


ffsjustanything

My DM disregards components without a cost, but for spells like revivify and the such you have to get the components. For simpler components that still cost something we just subtract the amount. No one needs to rp shopping for incense for Find Familiar for the hundredth time


_PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBIES-

He doesn’t disregard them, those are literally the rules. Unless a component has a cost, a focus or pouch covers any and all materials


ffsjustanything

Maybe the things I should’ve emphasized more is that for most consumed components we just subtract the cost and we don’t reeeaally bother with having to keep hands free for foci and stuff like that


StarGaurdianBard

> and we dont really bother with having to keep hands free for foci Your party should be nothing but spellcasters then since that's a huge buff for melee spellcasters to not need the warcaster feat anymore. Not really sure if spellcasters really need even more reason to be better than martial casters though lol


ffsjustanything

Eh we have a good mix


kingofbreakers

Playing (instead of DMing) for the first time and i think my DM had no idea about this when I mentioned I needed to find some special eyeballs for two conjuration spells.


StarGaurdianBard

Which spells? Because unless those eyeballs have a gold value then RAW your component pouch already had them in it


kingofbreakers

Yea they both do. Ones in a “platinum vial” and the other is an “undead eyeball in a gem” Both with specified costs.


StarGaurdianBard

Wait so did the DM intend on letting you guys cast stuff like revivify, greater restoration, hereos feast, glyph of warding, etc without needing any material cost? Seems like that would have gotten broken real quick lmao


kingofbreakers

Yea my point was I don’t think it ever crossed his mind. This is his first time running a game.


Cybermage99

If it has a gold cost, I require it, if it doesn’t specify a gold cost, I assume it’s been taken care of by your arcane focus, or you managed to pick it up with your standard expenses for your components pouch.


_b1ack0ut

That’s explicitly what those items do, yeah.


Negative_Pizza_2875

That being said, what’s the point of this post? Just that the DM banned focuses?


_b1ack0ut

Idk. I think a lot of people who complain about components don’t understand how these items work, and that ignoring most components IS RAW when you have them


that1redditer0703

Would it be a good idea to use components for rarer and more powerful spells like revivify only? I don’t want my players to have to search for stuff all the time just for basic spells


EmbarrassedLock

Search how an arcane focus works


cookiedough320

I'd suggest reading through the rules on spellcasting. WotC already thought about this problem and made a fix for it when they were developing 5e.


That_Lore_Guy

God this fits too well. I think I used the material components rule once... all I remember was they needed a Ruby, I don’t remember what spell they were trying to cast but the Rogue ended up spending 4 rounds trying to pry one out of a statue’s eye socket in the middle of combat, all while the Wizard (player) was shouting at the party bank keeper that they picked one up and he didn’t write anything down. It was such a disaster we house ruled the material components away...kinda. They just all got grouped into one item that has an upkeep cost.


cookiedough320

>They just all got grouped into one item that has an upkeep cost. What. Isn't that just an arcane focus? Honest question: Have you read through the rules on spellcasting?


That_Lore_Guy

It wasn’t in 5e. It might have been all the way back in 3e before all the splat books came out. I’m an old gamer 😆


cookiedough320

Ah yeah probably went differently back then.


Photonmoose

https://youtu.be/-xQ7Xo-7DEs


AerithDeservedIt

My DM will do a thing where, after we're done shopping, he'll say, "you'll need to spend ______ to buy the components and rations you'll need." That way, I keeps it a little honest or in game, like we're not just god-moding it with unlimited ammo, but it also takes away the tedium of having to find the specific stuff we need. The only one he gated behind components was that Summon Draconic Spirit in UA. He was like, "where did you come across a dragon's hoard where you could've snagged a piece of art that was 500gp?" Which, considering the spell, I was fine with having to seek the materials.


StarGaurdianBard

If your DM is making you spend gold to buy components without a cost then why wouldn't you just switch to an arcane focus which does the exact same job? Also, if he isn't gating other gold cost components why aren't you casting Hereos feast, Glyph of warding, etc all the time free of cost?


cookiedough320

Why not just buy a single arcane focus or component pouch and never need to buy components again? (Except for the ones that cost money of course)


LordScantron

Do you mean material components which disappears after the use of the spell or the components that you just need. But to be honest, I like both. The only problem is, that in our campaign, the DM doesn’t have shops for diamonds and pearls (or atleast we haven’t found one yet)


EmbarrassedLock

Then it's a quest in of itself to find those


cookiedough320

You could try asking your GM where your characters know you could get diamonds or pearls. Or where your character could go to find out where to get diamonds or pearls. They'll probably be happy to give you some info.


LordScantron

You’re right, but we don’t need pearls anymore. We needed them for identify a magic item, but we don’t need the magic item anymore


dot2doting

Cost based components are always used by the DMs I've played with. But I personally love using material components. Actually playing an artificer at the minute with a self made prosthetic arm. Used the dust from grinding it against the restrainsts to free the group with reduce spells. I was proud of that.


EmbarrassedLock

Get an arcane focus then buy the priced ones. That's how the game is balanced. What kind of madman doesn't require their players to consume money in getting components for their revivifyes, legend lores, etc


Colby-Raptor250

My group only did this once which was in a “hardcore” home brew my dim came up with. Mainly because we are all pretty new to dnd and only play every so often.


GrecianNobody

*laughs in Eldritch blast*


HellaShaggy

Spell component pouch. Price is functionally negligible and it has everything you need for commonplace spells. It's reasonable to assume you can refill it in any town with at least one other caster since everyone needs components.


soraku392

I enforce material components RAW, meaning I always push for my people to have spellcasting foci or something else that covers everything


Xaalster

Had a bad DM once. Combat was un runnable. We never used components but one time we were getting our butts kicked and I had a clever move I could do with a spell. Dm asked me for components…


StarGaurdianBard

Should have linked him what an arcane focus/ component pouch says RAW: > A component pouch is a small, watertight leather belt pouch that has compartments to hold all the material components and other special items you need to cast your spells, except for those components that have a specific cost (as indicated in a spell's description).


ILIKEFUUD

Currently writing a one shot where the players are dads of adventurers and the party gets kidnapped. The kids have their magic items and equipment locked away so one of them uses a copper hairpin given by their dad (a PC) to cast sending to tell them that they're in trouble and where they are to kick off the adventure.


[deleted]

Guardians of the Galaxy is legit just a D&D Party, especially Rocket and it's beautiful


Fluffles0119

I still laugh my ass off over the fact Nebula had been trying to kill him and his friends less than 5 minutes before this and he's already ready to just ask her for tape lmao


DelgadoTheRaat

I was required to find components but the game was set in a homebrew that had no magic shops. Also all my big spells were getting counterspelled. There is so much that can go wrong with spell casting that components don't need to be a thing. Long rest required, lower hit rate, limited spell slots, having the right spells prepared, counter spell, bad damage rolls, concentration and components needed? Put a sack over a spell casters head and they're done for.


StarGaurdianBard

> A component pouch is a small, watertight leather belt pouch that has compartments to hold all the material components and other special items you need to cast your spells, except for those components that have a specific cost (as indicated in a spell's description).


QueasyBanana

I only respect the components that have a cost or are consumed. For the rest I play as if everyone has a spellcasting focus or a component pouch. I like heavy narrative games, and I don't like spending precious time on a tangent to go get some random 2 cp material so a player can finally use the stuff they got on the last level up. Also I feel like a lot of those materials are essentially flavor policing


Xetoe

Just like, use a focus.