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Do we "Need" Icebreaker in D2? No. But I would be interested in how Bungie would redesign it to work in D2.

Do we "Need" Icebreaker in D2? No. But I would be interested in how Bungie would redesign it to work in D2.

Arjodeep

Do a complete rework of the weapon. Its called icebreaker, and we now have a stasis subclass in the game. Maybe make some synergy with the stasis subclasses then. Like damaging enemies affected by stasis generates one shot for the weapon.


y0u_called

By anychance are you one of the people who think Coldheart should be stasis because its called Coldheart?


Arjodeep

Nope, good to see those posts have died now😂 why is icebreaker called icebreaker tho, i dont remember seeing any explanation for it.


Jae-of-Light

Because icebreaker *sounds cool*


y0u_called

Oh lord thank you xD


Dynespark

Personally I like that we have a trace rifle of every element now. But now they should give us a *Heavy* Trace Rifle. A Trace Cannon. You get a nova bomb! You get a nova bomb! **EVERYONE GETS A NOVA BOMB!**


y0u_called

I just want more variations of Ruinous Effigy, when I saw the Titan's Diamond Lance in the Splicer trailer I thought it was going to be a Stasis version of Effigy. *But alas.*


Dynespark

I have an idea. Needle rifle. But it's a trace rifle. Maybe a short charge time to it.


Scorned-Keyhead-VI

So basically one thousand voices but full auto?


Dynespark

Nah, a cannon would be somewhere between a rocket launcher and linear fusion.


Scorned-Keyhead-VI

So like jötunn then?


Dynespark

I suppose it would be. But it would still need to do something special...maybe penetration rather than a bigger explosion. Like it goes through anything until it hits a wall.


Scorned-Keyhead-VI

So then like a missile titan launcher?


Dynespark

Bruh just strap me into a rail gun and I'm good to go


TheArchType

I’m not sure why it’s called Icebreaker but having guardians like “finish” the gun by using stasis to stabilize it would be pretty easy to explain lorewise I think. I’d be pretty interested to see how it could get reworked as well. As it is though I don’t actually seeing it break anything major? I mean snipers aren’t incredible by any means now. Anything encounter based has been fixed to not be cheesy ie doing VoG Oracles/Templar. And as far as cheesing because infinite ammo goes well, we have infinite primary now. Anything that could be cheesed because of this would only just go faster with the special ammo? Icebreaker wasn’t even great in terms of dps or damage in general even and I feel like largely the other issues with the gun were already addressed. I think it would be pretty funny if it had a chance to kill you if you used up the mag too quickly or something.


Arjodeep

Theres the aspect of pvp to be considered as well. Remember how revoker broke the crucible? Well, icebreaker is basically that but on steroids. But yea, infinite primary ammo hasnt really broken pve. However a special weapon will always massively outdamage them. Being able to infinitely generate special ammo will just lead to the whisper problem, where people will just sit far back and take off targets from a safe distance. However, killing the user for emptying the ammo is such a hilarious idea. Id love to actually see it happen, it would kinda be like Tommy's but way less forgiving.


TheArchType

Wasn’t it nerfed really hard for PvP though? I thought the regen was like 1 round for 30 seconds or something like that. I do remember how rough revoker was lol.


Arjodeep

Probably, im not exactly sure. Either ways I'll be happy if it returned, whether in its og form or a reworked form.


Mr_Stach

Icebreaker was my #1 most used exotic in D1. And as much as I want it to return, regen ammo might break the game...... again. But let's say they do bring it back, how wpuld they do it? Ability kills regen an ammo? Give me your thoughts.


BrownMarxist_98

It was most people's #1 weapon who played pvp cause it broke d1 too. If it comes back, the ammo regen should be only against combatants and not guardians tho ability kills don't seem too bad.


BROKEN_B0NEZ

I played D1 from year 1 to the end of the games lifespan, icebreaker was prominent when people first got their hands on it and it was nerfed through the floor, like red death. The regen ended up being 1 round every 30 seconds or so if you recall, and most people would rather spend their exotic weapon on a sword for 3rdpersonpeaking in trials where youd have seen it used. If it came back itd probably come back in its same nerfed state, though itd be better because of how poor d2s ammo system is, it wouldnt break anything.


BrownMarxist_98

The ammo system is pretty good rn and they plan on making it more deterministic from what Blackburn stated. Basically rn using a legendary primary with 1 ammo finder mods for HEAVY drops ammo every 21 or so kills. With 2 its about 17 kills. With exotic primary and 1 heavy ammo finder it's 17 kills and with 2 finders it's 15 kills. It's actually not very rng dependent but hits a cap 3-4 kills higher than the numbers I stated before you are guaranteed heavy drops. It'll be even better soon. But it's not pve that icebreaker broke. It was pvp. If the gun felt as sluggish as d1 then sure. Imo, generating free ammo never worked out in the games favor. Even when it required you to do something. Better be safe than sorry.


BROKEN_B0NEZ

If i recall correctly one of icebreakers balancing features was that the only source of ammo you could have was icebreaker itself, you couldnt pick up special and all these people who are claiming they played destiny 1 are clearly full of BS because they all seem to know next to nothing about IB. It was in meta for less than a month before it was nerfed to where itd remain when TK dropped, they nerfed that mf to 1 ammo per 30 seconds so damn fast. As you said, the gun felt like crap anyway, there was only ever a select two people in D1 that used it and it was campers and terrifying tryhards, there wasnt an inbetween. Some people have @ me saying revoker broke the game somehow forgetting that theres no weighing up a legendary gun like there is an exotic, the last thing you want taking up your exotic slot is something with a perk that you wont be able to make use of, especially with how the gun felt. I dont know why i argue with people on this reddit anymore they seem so braindead for the most part. Not to mention a lot of people lie about being D1 veterans for credibility.


BrownMarxist_98

I didn't use it but have gone against it a lot so there may be some annoyance from it still holding. I also didn't read patch notes or nothing at the time so my bad. But the last part of what I said still holds truth. Free special or heavy ammo never did the game much good. It always broke something so we might as well keep it away.


BROKEN_B0NEZ

Yeah, IB was strong because with its capacity of 6 youd get a bullet every 10 seconds initially, whilst it didnt handle the best, on longer maps like the ones that had sparrows and interceptors IB was great for people that wanted to camp way back in spawn all game, then for trials because it was a bullet every 10 seconds obviously it was good if you had to clutch up and were a good shot. I can agree with the last part, they dont often seem to do it right, the best they did was with black hammer and spindle + whisper of the worm.


AnythingPersonal

Just have the Regen perk disabled for PvP


BROKEN_B0NEZ

ah yes, just disable the guns exotic perk for PvP, whilst were at it lets make it shoot wolfpack rounds on impact and call it gjallybreaker. The gun wouldnt be OP with the regen. I played D1 and youd never see IB in PvP because the regen was ass. It was like 1 round every 30 seconds and in competitive PvP where the gun would be used, your exotic slot would be better spent on something like ace of spades.


Snivyland

Dude, we literally had a weaker version of ice breaker it was revoker and it broke the game.


BROKEN_B0NEZ

Yeah dumbass thats a legendary. Read my point before you comment, god damn. Revoker broke the game because it was a legendary gun with an exotic perk, much like what makes top tree dawn so damn good is an exotic perk from destiny 1, previous titan exotic now known as icarus dash. Ill repeat myself once. If icebreaker came back to the game, despite its ability to regen ammo, much like in destiny 1, itd be slow and rather useless to the average player. In destiny 2 this gun would be situational. The one place youd see it used if at all would be by destiny 2 trials carries, those whos playstyle would lean more towards running down the clock, in which case ice breaker would be of great use. Even then, you have to weigh up if its worth your exotic slot, which at least 60% of the time, it wont be. A lot of people would rather spend their slot on ace or thorn and would continue to do so. TLDR, revoker broke the game because it was a legendary with what was effectively icebreakers perk. there was no excuse to not use it. Icebreaker would be situational at best as it was in D1 (post nerf, which is the state wed be getting it in) which would run down its use massively. Itd be used mostly in just quickplay or select streamers, its not as if itd break the meta.


AnythingPersonal

This whole post makes no sense.. it would because your getting ammo.. when no other weapons regens ammo that's a special/heavy in PvP. Common sense. I also played d1 and played alot of PvP..


BROKEN_B0NEZ

you preach common sense like everything youre saying isnt devoid of logic, ill break it down nice and slow because its mind numbing that youre not getting this at all. You also sound like the type to claim theyre a D1 vet just for the validation that comes with it, you clearly have no idea how IB works because you seem to think its game breaking. First, lets cover why revoker was OP. It was easy to generate special ammo with it, a lot like icebreaker in D1. The revoker was a no brainer of a pick because its a legendary weapon with a good roll, there wasnt a downside to running it. Second, lets cover why IB was meta for about a month, the nerfs and balances that make it something that basically no one used in D1 post nerf. When IB came out youd get a single bullet every 10 seconds with a cap of 6 bullets. Obviously, thats insane. When it was nerfed 10 seconds was increased to 30 and it fell out of relevancy because there was no situation worth waiting that long to get special ammo because you can ONLY get special ammo from IB generating it, you couldnt pick up special to refill its mag. Your logic about one weapon having an ability others dont is stupid, thats like me saying "well it isnt fair that sniper rifles have such high range and shotguns dont". Thats your logic. Ammo regen is OP because other guns cant do it? All that and you also seem to forget that you can only equip one exotic weapon. No one is picking a post nerf IB even with how awful special ammo restrictions are in D2, that is unless they reduced the regen time or added onto the exotic perk as they have done with other exotics in the past. Simply put theres better exotics to use, as ive already stated. Better sniper rifles too since it handled like a sack of potatoes.


AnythingPersonal

Your own logic is ridiculous. Sniper rifles to shogun's really. Sure it's not a great exotic vs others for PvP. Still getting ammo Regen is an advantage. That is common sense plain and simple. And the whole d1 validation that's basically what you put in your first post.. 🙄


BROKEN_B0NEZ

That was an example of your logic. To reiterate, youre complaining about one gun having an advantage over another. My point is that each gun has an advantage over another. By your logic, i cant wait until you hear about the perk that makes you do more damage to supers, my god its going to be anarchy isnt it. Youre forgetting that icebreaker is an exotic you absolute simpleton. Thorn perk OP, its an advantage. Ace perk OP, its an advantage. How do you not see how moronic you sound. The d1 veteran validation is to validate my knowledge of icebreaker and to reassure people that havent experienced it that it is far from OP. Youve admitted its not a top pick, so now your problem is literally that an exotic has an exotic perk. I shouldnt have to say anything else here. You know about the machine gun that gives you an overshield, right? chaperone? those are pretty damn good passive advantages. Do you just cry about everything unique to any given weapon? Its strange.


lokisama1334

so ice breaker in trials would be fine in your mind? haha no there's a reason everyone hated revoker and icebreaker is that on meth also in 6v6 maybe not that bad however in the game modes have something on the line people will sit in the back of the map taking shots at people until the zone spawns because of time trust me man your asking for something very bad for this game. however if they brought it back with a different perk cool but if they bring it back the same it will be cloudstrike with ammo regen


BROKEN_B0NEZ

Again, listen to what im saying. There is a reason i prefaced this with telling everyone i have experience with the weapon. I will reiterate, it was OP for a month and that month was the only time it saw active use. Revoker was OP because it was a legendary. Had it been an exotic i do believe itd have seen a lot of play before its nerf, as the icebreaker did in D1, but it would, just like icebreaker did, fall off because of it being a waste of an exotic. As i said, they changed the cooldown to get 1 bullet 30 seconds instead of 10, whilst that would keep your ammo up in trials for the majority of the game, youd spawn with no ammo, potentially where youd want it the most. It wouldnt be a problem unless you let it become one. I know theres a lot of players that do trials 1v3s, but it literally just boils down to dont play passive and let them run away. That is the one and only time in trials where icebreaker will dominate, so itd be a situational gun at best. Even then, it still handles like dog wang. Im not sure where youre getting icebreaker = cloudstrike but, no LOL. The sad reality of post nerf icebreaker is that it saw no use in trials and there was only a very niche community of people who enjoyed using it (as i said, the gun felt awful.) That is likely to change with PC in the game so with that in mind it might end up with a high pick rate, but even still. Considering we have vex, witherhoard, hell just GLs in general running around, IB doesnt come close to the meta or being remotely OP, unless of course they rework it to be so or they bring it back somewhat buffed from what it was in D1. TLDR, its an exotic revoker but actually much weaker than the revoker. IB would see play when it came to the game and fade out in the months to come because it wouldnt be worth the exotic slot over something like ace thorn or hawkmoon. Unless someone really loves their dire promise and theres no excuse to not run IB, since theres no other exotic snipers that are PvP based besides cloudstrike.


Pure_Steve_1153

Would be cool if it regenerates based on Stasis crystals shattered.


Tex-Necrotic

Heavy weapon. Holds one round, picking up a heavy brick loads one bullet into the chamber and one into the clip. Regenerates a single bullet every 30 seconds with catalyst and 1 min without.


Damagecontrol86

I would prefer it stay the way it was


Damagecontrol86

Just keep it the way it was like the old saying goes if it ain’t broken don’t fix it


Piekace

Icebreaker? Not broken?


Damagecontrol86

Not one bit actually the best pve sniper rifles I’ve ever had


Beastmutata

That's because it was broken homie


Damagecontrol86

I think me and you have different meanings for the term broken


Beastmutata

Broken: 1. Characterizing game mechanics or objects that are so powerful that they trivialize game content or become the only desirable items or mechanics for a player to use. From urban dictionary, now we have the same definition.


Damagecontrol86

I see your point but my opinion remains the same simply because I feel shatter drive is broken because it can be used in almost every situation and is so overpowering near nothing can stop it while icebreaker wouldn’t be as reliable in every situation simply because it’s a sniper rifle


VaderSRT00

Have to first make it no break pvp with the bullet regen. But after that, they could have some fun with it. Given the name, have a perk (or catalyst) does extra precision damage against stasis or frozen enemies. Or when you regenerate the whole mag, say 5 bullets, you can hold x and turn it into a trace rifle heated beam for a few seconds.


BROKEN_B0NEZ

Id say it fits pretty well without a rework. Imagine how OP people thought it was in D1, i can tell you as a D1 veteran myself that on paper, free special ammo sounded insane, but more often than not people would rather use something like longbow over icebreaker, pick a better exotic weapon for their primary, there was just better options and the same remains in D2. Whilst itd sound great especially in D2 because of the poor implimentation of special ammo in PvP, the reality is that rounds generate so slowly that its not worth an exotic slot. Especially with exotics like ace dominating crucible currently.


NotUrAvgIdjit96

*solo D1 nightfall players* You're as beautiful as the day I lost you


CollectionPotential

I just had flashbacks to crota heavy ammo glitch 😳


Mr_Stach

That's just the Catalyst 👍


civodulleon

Just make the ammo regen really slow in pvp and special ammo pick up do not refill the weapon’s reserve.


Scorned-Keyhead-VI

I feel like revoker was as close as we’re going to get to a D2 icebreaker Maybe if it was to be geared towards pve, it would just have reconstruction but theoretically infinite, that would be kind of fun Maybe in pvp, you just spawn with an extra bullet in the mag, or getting two headshots in one life will refund a bullet? Like triple tap but more lenient with activation requirements and window


DarthDregan

People in here pretending it would break Crucible when they figured that shit out in the last game. Ice Breaker wouldn't break anything. And it should come back.


pspooks_

I was wonder how they could re-work this weapon so it doesn't break the ammo economy. Maybe they could do some along the line of it regens ammo only if it has ammo in the mag. It wont regen ammo if it hits 0 and only regens again when picking up special


Ohms_feel

How bout….. precision kills create a stasis crystal over the combatants. Massive damage increase to stasis crystals. Perk 1 would stop resurrections for 15 seconds in elimination and trials. Essentially it’s just headstone. Perk 2 would allow you to break through stasis crystals at the cost of a bullet. Rapid fire frame Would snapshot make it OP?