T O P
GlossyBuckthorn

Every age, it seems, is tainted by the violence of man. Rubbish to one such as I, devoid of all worldly wrath! \-Yharnam


MaleficTekX

I wonder when uncle Gael will return -Ashina


Fishsk

I'm gonna accept the old one's power and let the fog make a world of gray crags, archtrees, and everlasting dragons! -Boletaria


DepressedOctopus8

Amazing chest ahead. -Chosen undead


LeftIsBest-Tsuga

"No chest ahead, therefore no gorgeous view ahead." \- Ashen One


Dukenukem502

“Woman ahead, therefore pointless.” -Also the ashen one


Dr_Professor69

"Dont give up Skeleton" \- Bearer of the curse


Dukenukem502

“Visions of amazing chest ahead, therefore sadness” -The ashen one


VicenarySolid

“Giant But Hole” - Unkindled


Dukenukem502

“Amazing chest ahead, try finger but hole” -Chosen Undead


SamTheMessiah

"Message!" -Bearer of the Curse


MaleficTekX

“Horse?”-Aldia probably


Maleficent-Fun-5298

You saying my character is pointless?


Dukenukem502

It’s just a sign I found infront of the DS3 firekeeper


MetroidJunkie

I'm going to have myself a little nap, the only thing to do really after a nice toast. -Siegward


Glazmain600

“Yhorm, old friend. I, Siegward of the Knights of Catarina have come to uphold my promise. Let the sun shine upon this Lord of Cinder!” - Siegward, Knight of Catarina


LivingDeadTY

We all need a friend like Siegward.


massivebasketball

Everybody wants a friend like Siegward, but how many want to be a friend like Siegward? That’s what we should focus on


jaber24

Siegward is devoted to his oath to his friend which is kinda commendable but it does leave a complex taste in my mouth that he basically forced his old friend to burn himself again (with our help) for the shitty gods' sake who have fucked up the world. Does that make him a good friend or the worst friend you could have?


OkInvestigator4220

Yhorm pretty much was depressed and unable to die. Pretty sure he made Siegward vow to force him to do it in case he lost his mind and or was unable to bring himself to do it. Yhorm was freed through pain kinda deal.


eagle279

Oh my god I've never heard that theory before. I thought I was in the Marianas trench of Souls lore and somehow you've dragged me deeper Now tell me why he called big hat


glorious_ardent

He hat big


DorkSoulsBoi

Bullshit it ain't that big


TheGraveHammer

You right, is BEEG


DorkSoulsBoi

Finally, some good fucking lore


TheGraveHammer

The **deepest** lore. ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ


MaleficTekX

Blackhat badger has a bigger hat


entry_level_twitch

Because it’s Beatrice’s hat, and Logan inherited it, (as Seath inherited the Archives from the matriarchal ancient dragons). Ever notice how the Stone Dragon’s horns closely resemble Dusk’s crown? 🙃


TheKelseyOfKells

“Try Tongue, But Hole!” -FartSniffer445


JohnnyXorron

Try finger but hole -Solaire


MaximumPlume

U M B A S A


DarkLinkDs

"If I didn't know any better I'd think you had feelings for me" -Solaire Of Astora


CIS-War-Hero

"Bare- Seek Seek Lest" *- Bareseekseeklest*


Hipstermankey

Hmmmmm... Hmmmmmmmmmm... Siegmeyer


LeftIsBest-Tsuga

pretty much the only souls lore I can wrap my brain around


MaleficTekX

Would you believe this has three different quoters quoting it.


LeftIsBest-Tsuga

Unfortunately, yes. Yes, I would.


CaptainFalconProblem

“Every soul… has its dark” -John Darksoul


Shisa4123

It is always darkest before the soul.


Osiri551

"The age of men, is at an end, now starts the age of the orc" -gwyn I'm pretty sure


MaximumPlume

I thought that was Ghazghkull Thraka.


Osiri551

Nah see that's with a k, totally different


AdnHsP

*Ahh, you were at my side, all along. My true mentor, my guiding moonlight...* horse noises \-**Ludwig, the Accursed.**


GicoLadida

I doubt he will ever come back because i whooped his ass today!! He gave me the most trouble so far, only midir is left


SlaveKnightGael9

You called?


MaleficTekX

You’re the 9th one... WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER SEVEN!?


SlaveKnightGael9

Well you see, there were…sacrifices for the true dark soul


Lovv

Can you explain the locations I don't know where they are except maybe lothric??


YukiColdsnow

DS1 Lordran DS2 Drangleic DS3 Lothric


turtleben248

Yes! Please, good sirs, some context?


DBZkid5000

Ds1 I forgot where that is, ds2 is drangleic, Ds3 is lordran


Thaddeus_T_Third_III

Ds1 is Lordran my dude. 3 is Lothric


DBZkid5000

I have realized my mistake it's been awhile on dark souls


____zero

DS1 = Lordran


DBZkid5000

Thank you for the correction


dakrust64

Bit glum that say summut nicer


GrinckerTheSoul

Hand it over, that thing, your guiding moonlight -The Lands Between?


AndurilWielder

This made me laugh quite a bit.


Blackknight95

Hesitation is defeat -Isshin Ashina, the Glock Saint


MarvelousLim

Cum, Sekiro -Isshin ASSina, the Blood Boiiler


TJ-45

I like to imagine a fourth panel for yharnam and it just says "unintelligible screaming"


MaleficTekX

What’s for Ashina?


TJ-45

Probably something like "We secured our independence." Honestly Ashina's problems seemed a lot more grounded to me then yharnam.


CrimsonSou1

That’s kinda the point though. The problems of bloodborne are far beyond the capabilities of man and their efforts to understand and control them led to their demise when the church stoped using caution in their studies.


Mad_Kitten

\*Sign: DO NOT TOUCH THE SQUID\* The Church: "I'm not gonna do it because I can't read"


drFeverblisters

Demon of hatred or maybe grumpy monkeys?


iSellPopcorn

Genuine question, how do people piece the lore together ? I'd get it if there were audio logs or texts but there aren't any (to my knowledge) all there is is npc dialogue which is extremely vague and item descriptions which often have nothing to do with the universe, I don't get it


MaleficTekX

Item descriptions, set pieces, item placement, npc and enemy locations, descriptions given by npc’s, item drops, weakness and resistances...


Imperator_Draconum

I often compare it to archaeology.


king_of_nothing0

How do weaknesses and resistance tell you about the lore/story?


Abovearth31

The four lords of DS1 for example are weak to their opposite element. Gwyn is a god, a being of light, so he's weak to darkness. He is also personally afraid of it. Learning what a certain boss or npc is weak to can tell us a lot about their race or story.


Doomie_bloomers

Gwyn is notably also weak to fire.


Abovearth31

Yeah the four lords are weak to any element that isn't theirs but they are the weakest to their opposite. Which is why Gwyn is weak to fire and Dark but Dark more than fire or poison and shit.


king_of_nothing0

Ah okay that makes sense.


IsNotAnOstrich

That's pretty much it. I'd say the majority of it is item descriptions.


Sensemans

Dark souls is that weird game where the lore is what you perceive it to be. You piece all the information in the game together and come up with conspiracy theories on what the truth is, while the only one who really knows is the writer. There's theories for instance that Bloodborne, Demon Souls, Dark Souls and (likely soon to be elden ring) are all actually in the same universe. and if you want to believe that great! If you don't also great!


Zemmerboost

pretty sure not even miazaki knows the full lore as be made the game to have gaps in it like a myth


Number31Type-O

I personally like to think that he just blacks out before he starts writing the story. Then, when he comes to, everything is written. And he's left wondering what happened.


Blyat6161

First you start listening better and then you also read the item descriptions. After an hour you say fuck it and watch Vaati do it for you and like his video


gnowwho

>item descriptions which often have nothing to do with the universe Uh, there are so much many descriptions that say something than descriptions that don't. Like, only a couple of starting pieces of equipment or objects don't say much of interest, but basically anything else is extremely descriptive.


Knork14

I am not that big on souls lore, can you explain in brief words? Edit to clarify: i know Vendrik made war on the giants, thats why there are so many giant corpses in ds2, and that the Four Lords made war on Dragons in ds1, i just dont get how that fucked ds3


Litty_McGritty

If Gwyn or Vendrik had lost their wars, we couldn't sacrifice anyone to prolong the age of fire and allow the world to collapse as far as we see in ds3


phoenixmusicman

\#vendrickdidnothingwrong


el_corgi

Explain, I haven’t played DS2


phoenixmusicman

He loved his wife but realized >!she was manipulating him to gain the power of the first flame so he locked himself in the basement of his castle so she couldn't access it!<


runninandruni

Absolute gamer move. Hide in the basement and tell everyone to fuck off while going hollow


phoenixmusicman

Thats why he did nothing wrong 😎


runninandruni

Everyone should aspire to be like Vendrick


el_corgi

I’m already like vendrick


runninandruni

You are a true monarch


LordBaconXXXXX

TLDR, he was manipulated by his queen, Nashandra, who told him "giants are cringe, go killem"


el_corgi

“Those butthole faces are cringe”


Zan-the-35th

I'm high as shit. Fuck you, here's a lore dump. Something something, Vendrick, king of kings went across the sea to the land of Giants after (maybe?) finding Queen Nashandra (after maybe possibly conquering the 3 kingdoms in the DLC? The whole timeline is weird, AMA), who told him (actual canonical part here) that the giants were a threat and/or had something worth taking, so he and a group of loyal soldiers murdered a ton of them. And apparently they didn't really resist, because the Giants had never encountered humans before. So Vendrick just slaughtered thousands of their kind, enslaved a bunch, and headed back. But he came back with something: the Throne of Want and/or the ability to create golems and/or slave giants themselves, which triggered the Giant invasion. "When the Giants crossed the sea" is such an ominous quote (this is my favorite part of the lore), and there's some cut content of an entire legion of Giants (possibly for a cutscene, or as background scenery) wading waist deep in the open ocean. Drangleic is a fucking battlefield years after the invasion ended, and honestly the implication of their power is more compelling than its inclusion (the giants are pushovers). Like every game in the series though, the Giants got dealt a bad hand, and are woefully looked over lore-wise in DS3. So all the knights of Drangleic defeated the Giants, but went hollow because Drangleic was in ruins (look at the size of the statues in the Pursuer Boss arena, and think about how much power would be needed to both build and destroy those things) and then the whole kingdom collapsed. Because of Vendrick and his Giant war. The whole "Vendrick is actually a good guy" angle comes from some canonical lore - he somehow knew that Nashandra wanted to usurp him by having him take the Throne of Want (which I guess is the way of kindling the First Flame in Drangleic? It's DS2, who cares at this point), so he enacted safety measures to ensure that this doesn't happen. Basically, she needs a "king" (because all the children of Manus want kings [she's a child of Manus by the way, specifically the embodiment of his greed]) and she needs to corrupt a ruler with greed (turning Vendrick against the Giants even though they weren't really a threat to Drangleic) and kill them to gain their power. You know how the whole thing with dark souls player characters is that they need to absorb millions of souls by slaying great foes and then collectively sacrificing those souls through us to the first flame? Yeah so she's waiting for us as the player (or Bearers of the Curse in general, that seems to be DS2’s analogue to the Chosen Hollow Pilgrimage/Pipeline in DS1) to get fat and juicy enough with those four Great Souls so that she can assume the power of the Throne for herself. Except she doesn't realize that we were led here by Vendrick, who positions several of his minions along our way to challenge us (possibly putting the Shrine of Winter barrier in place to keep less powerful Bearers of the Curse away (the Curse is effectively that you're doomed to be chosen to kill Nashandra). He has his soul ripped from his body; he stores his soul in some random chest in the Shrine of Amana so that Nashandra can’t use it (possibly by his brother – Aldia [oh by the way Aldia, he’s a character]), and has his literal corpse guarded by his lapdog bell knight. Basically he tangentially helps the player defeat Nashandra long after his death, since maybe possibly he knew that this whole thing (Giant war/throne of want) was a setup to get him killed. He also maybe discovered the cure for hollowing (collecting all DLC crowns reverses hollowing) - which may also be the reason why Nashandra wants him dead??? anyway #vendrickdidnothingwrong


R3dlace

Sick synopsis, please get high again soon.


king_of_nothing0

Haha what a great comment.


el_corgi

I also hope he gets high, that was the best “fuck you” I’ve ever gotten


Grow_Up_Blow_Away

Thank you for the wild, stoned ride through the lore of DS2 which I only half remember! I absolutely LOVE the DS1 “Chosen Undead Pilgrimage/Pipeline.”


Mad_Kitten

Drunk Dark Souls be like


el_corgi

That’s the best “fuck you” into a lore dump that I’ve ever gotten


king_of_nothing0

Great writeup, thank you for making it! Do you think the story of DS2 is one of the better ones? It sounds great compared to other FromSoft games.


Zan-the-35th

Yknow what, yeah. I think DS2 is/could have been one of From's most interesting games, from a story perspective. There's a lot about it that I like, but unfortunately a lot of critical connecting details are missing from the game due to its rough development. Because of that, I can't honestly say it's their *best* game story-wise, given that a lot of interesting content was cut. And while what little we're presented with is fascinating, it's also extremely difficult to really tie everything together cohesively because of it. Like, there are plenty of in-game explanations for things, but the relationships between certain parts of the game are still frustratingly unclear, with many story elements being set up without much in the way of explanation or conclusion. Like, why are there scorpion and lion people in Shaded Woods? Who are the Gyrm? What is the connection between Dragons and Giants and Archtrees? etc. etc. I may sound negative about it, but I truly do like what it's going for, and I really hope that somewhere down the line there's a faithful remaster of their original plans. Plus, my #1 story from any Fromsoft game is Bloodborne, so I'm a bit biased here.


king_of_nothing0

Very well thought out opinion on DS2. I have to ask though, isn’t the lack of coherent story pieces a nagging issue in ALL FromSoftware games including Bloodborne? The only I personally think has a focused story is Sekiro. The rest are IMO a huge tangled mess of enemies and item descriptions that have no very nebulous relationships to a “story”. Just my opinion of course.


Zan-the-35th

I could go on about how Bloodborne is more cohesive than From's other games, but I have a soft spot for gothic/cosmic horror, so I'm predisposed to thinking it's better than their other titles. Plus, it's late, and there are better lore theorists than me who can show how intricately thought out the world of Yharnam is. Anyway, its difficult to explain the feeling of "incompleteness" to DS2. There are truly compelling elements at play - the new kingdoms/settings, characters, etc - but they often don't really lead anywhere. Aside from the whole Vendrick storyline (and arguably the DLC content, which is where the game truly shines with its story), the main game just has so many loose ends due to how poorly the development was handled. Like, consider how little of DS2's story is directly referenced in DS3. DS2 introduced a whole race of giants, and they were only shown once in the sequel, almost as an easter egg. DS3 went back to its roots, because otherwise you'd have to spend half the game retroactively explaining how things like the Throne of Want fit into the cosmology and worldbuilding of DS1. It's a total diversion from what DS1 was going for (which isn't a bad thing), but it was also handled really sloppily in places. Even moreso than the most unfinished areas of DS1 (looking at you, Izalith). I had an entire thing written up about the cut content of the Gutter, how that area in particular is an example of how really crucial geographic details can help make a world feel more cohesive and real, but honestly just go watch Illusorywall's series on DS2 cut content if you haven't already. He does a far better job at illuminating the gaps in our lore knowledge of the game with scrapped game elements. I find it necessary to talk about where DS2 falls short because, again, I truly like the game. The fact that I've devoted so much time writing and researching it should speak to how it's stuck with me, in spite of its flaws.


king_of_nothing0

I really appreciate you taking the time and energy to do so. I’m thankful that thoughtful and nuanced people like yourself make this community as great as it is. See you in Elden Ring buddy!


IudexRaiIgun

gang shit


Osiri551

Yeah realistically vendrick didn't do anything wrong, he was just a bystander caught in the mistakes of the past


vi33nros3

If Gwyn had lost the world would probably have stayed grey and dragon filled. Gwyn’s downfall was rekindling the flame. Once that happened DS3, the end of the cycle was inevitable


Harkekark

When the Age of Fire was ending Gwyn wasn't willing to let the flames fade so he used his soul to fuel the First Flame further; halting the Age of Dark where Humans would reign. The First Flame kept being kindled by Lords and Chosen Undead for so long the world broke. In DS3 you finally get the chance, do you let the Flame extinguish and maybe be reborn as it was meant to, or are you just another usurper willing to pointlessly kindle a long dead dream?


Nkromancer

One thing of note, tho, is it isn't even clear if you kindling the flame works or not. An ash is one who tried and failed to link the flame once before, and it is possible you failed again. The great fiery explosion present in the frost game replaced by you catching flame and calmly sitting by the bonfire, no changes in the environment present.


Gabe_b

Yeah that moment at the end of 3 is so poignant, I love it


MagnesiumH

I interpret it as ash having failed, but not at the stage where they are actually fuelling the flame, but at least a bit earlier, like being defeated by the soul of cinder. You've already conquered the adversities, there's basically no reason to be able to fail once you have access to the first flame.


gnowwho

If that were true unkindled would be the same as any other undead, but they aren't. Their link to the flame has broken to the point they can't kindle souls to themselves (level up) without assistance. They don't go hollow when killed unless *something* is done to them. They are quite simply not normal undead. So they cannot have just died at some point, but their death must have happened in a way that fundamentally changed their beings. Given what we know the best guess is that they tried to link the flame, the flame consumed them, but didn't reignite. "Ashen one" means that you are ash, and ash is the fuel completely consumed by the fire. You might be able to reignite coals, but not ash. If you never touched the fire it's hard to be burned.


MagnesiumH

That is largely how I interpret it too, but once an undead has access to the flame, we do not have any information about something that can still happen which could make him fail after starting to kindle it. So I don't really see a reason why we should necessarily believe that we fail to kindle the flame again. Some undead failed at least once, and became ash. But your entire overarching point of the game is to get access to the first flame, whether to link it, snuff it out, usurp it, etc. Plus the prompt at the end pretty conclusively says: link the first flame, or something similar. So I would say it'd be really weird from a game structure perspective to just fail at kindling again. We failed once, and we can probably fail again. But that doesn't mean it's guaranteed or even suggested it happens.


BlueC1nder

Didn't lots of darkness, fire cycles come and go tho till ds3? Like the Iundex Gundyr cycle? The age of men ending isn't exactly the same as the age of darkness


Mr_InTheCloset

time is convoluted


Osiri551

Yeah no the point of 3 was that no matter what now the cycle got so fucked anyways, that's why the new painted world's being made with the dark soul. Gwyn really screwed the pooch on stuff


name_1nvalid

the twin princes didn't want to be set on fire, so the fire faded.


Doomie_bloomers

Shout-out to (presumably) the Pontiff for convincing them that letting the world die was a better choice than keeping the struggle up.


fromsoftware_enjoyer

The more you play dark souls, the more you realize that you're the dark soul, and NOT just another hero in another rpg game. What, still here? Hand it over. That thing, your dark soul.


TheSolMan

I could be wrong cause I'm kind of confused too but if I had to guess I'd say the third Pic is Lothric and the two that fucked everyone are the twin princes maybe? Someone who knows better will need to correct me if I'm wrong.


Bloodwept

Dark Souls 3 features such delights as: - Vordt, no lol vore - Scalies - Domestic abuse - Spousal murder / kinky fun - Man goo - Macrophilia bromance - City sized chastity cages - Slavery, especially if the dragon's black - Child endangerment - Ritual suicide ala Jonestown Should I go on?


MaleficTekX

Please do.


Bacex

Damn you did midir dirty


Blackknight95

How is Midir a slave? I haven’t read it’s lore much.


MaleficTekX

Gwyn was like, I raised you good Midir, now go eat the dark from the pygmys for all eternity And Midir did Then Gwyn kicked his son out for owning a pet dragon


LeftIsBest-Tsuga

but who was the son. lol i'm so lost. you could literally just make up anything i'd have no clue!


MaleficTekX

He named his son: >! !<


Blood_Thrash

Ha Nameless King lol.


Mr_InTheCloset

midir is an everlasting dragon sent by gwyn to the ringed city to stop the dark from spreading, i wouldnt quite say a slave, but he's not exactly fully there or compensated keep in mind, i could be completely wrong


Shisa4123

Close, he's a descendent of the everlasting dragons with the express purpose of nomming on the darkness from the pygmy lords. And nom he did. For like, a REALLY long time. But he nommed too greedily and too deep and went insane. By the time you roll up to the ringed city, Shira is just like "damn I kinda feel bad for Midir. Can you like, kill him to put him out of his misery? I'll give you a ~~scooby snack~~ titanite slab."


Graynard

Will you explain each of those a little? I'm interested


Bloodwept

Dark Souls 3 features such delights as: - Getting swallowed fetish, Aldritch - Oceiros dressing up as a anthropomorphic dragon - Killing the firekeeper ending - Consummating the marriage with deep penetration - Pus of man - Yhorm x Seigmeyer - The Ringed City, kinda. They don't want you fucking it up - Slave knights, Midir - Yorshka, Painting Girl, Lothric, Gertrude / Divine Pillars of Light, Ocelot - Everyone in Lothric is just about beheaded and many statues are too Should I go on?


one_effin_nice_kitty

Whoa that last one I never noticed. Going to have look carefully next run!


Bloodwept

Outside of the Dancer's boss room are statues, by the first winged knight, and that knight also has a (supposed) pre Pontiff young Sulyvahn holding a Profaned Greatsword. It helps with the idea that Sulyvahn is the sorcerer that doubted the linking of the flame who also taught Prince Lothric, influencing him to abandon his destiny. The statues represent the original religion describing self sacrifice and linking the flame, as well as hinting what you do to the Lords themselves. Lothric is in a civil war at the moment because of it. It's red versus blue. I think the idea is Lothric is against the linking of the fire while the Angelic faith is for it in conjunction with Rosaria and Londor. I'm not even sure if that's 100% right either, but that's what I gathered.


gnowwho

Vore is literally one of the main plot points of DS3


munchies1122

Lmfao


Redpikes

What that dlc at the end of the world that's full of ds2 giants but more tree like and a dragon


Substantial_Rush3796

You're talking about harald knights? Because harald knight aren't ds2 giants.


MagnesiumH

What do ds2 giants have to do witj the ringed city


Redpikes

Idk they're both trees and have holes for faces


MagnesiumH

WHOOOOO are giants, the only giants are the judicators??


Redpikes

Giants from ds2 they are trees and look like harald Knights in the face area at least


MagnesiumH

*but they're not*


crowlute

Bruh I never thought about that until now, they do kinda have a similar hole face


Redpikes

It's all in the face holes


ImNotBlueBanana

ringed city?


Redpikes

Yes but as a Comment to both those games heros fucking up the dragons and hold faced giants


Jasole37

Two? The fire was linked more than twice before. At least 5. At *least*. It's implied that it's been thousands of times.


YukiColdsnow

The Cinders we currently know was Gwyn, Chosen Undead, Ludleth, Yhorm, Artorias fan club, Aldrich then if we include the chosen undead and the ashen one depending on the ending. But there are other cinders that is not on lore.


NightFury002

bearer of the curse?


TheCrackhead420

Bearer of the curse wanted a throne


NightFury002

He wanted the throne but left it and used the crowns to not hollow. What happens after that? Probably got dragged to the throne by the ashen ones. DS3 continues on that?


TheCrackhead420

Yeah, well I don't know how much effect the bearer of the curse had on DS3's story. The only mention I've seen of them is in Lucatiels mask description. So he clearly didn't stay on the throne. Not much more I can say


phabiohost

I thought the throne of want was the kiln?


NightFury002

Well yeah, We didnt wanna link the fire iirc and just escaped the curse. But then where did he go? I can only speculate that he lived a long time but ended up linking the fire one way or other and then DS3 happens.


YukiColdsnow

The name/title of our character


MaleficTekX

We had room for two.


phabiohost

It's stated that it has been many many times because the 5 boss souls present in DS3 all did it and that doesn't even include the DS1+2 lords. On top of that every ashen one is someone that tried and failed as a lord. So it's a ton of people by the end. Hell the end of the world as we see it in the ringed city is just ash. The flame burned so long that all that was left were ruins and a great sea of ash.


Flat_Ad_9033

The giants were the dragons


MaleficTekX

No, the dragon was MADE OF giants


RiseOfTheBoarKing

Imagine Giants.


MaleficTekX

I may have, one theory says Drangleic was just a dream


YukiColdsnow

more like a certain time in the past just like how we enter the memories


MaleficTekX

We entered the memories in a memory?!


YukiColdsnow

thats one of the popular theories, The old woman was actually an old Emerald Herald guiding us to a ruined Drangleic then suddenly a huge portal on a lake appears and we jumped, when we awakened we're suddenly at the past. And Things betwixt is a limbo.


Skullknight933

Specifically the dragon in Ds2 , Thanks to Aldia. We don't know if the Wyverns and Dragons in Ds3 have the same nature tho.


Silver_Nitrate_sucks

We were fucked in the first age


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MaleficTekX

The only ones that matter... Except Eleum Loyce, Shulva, Profaned Capital, Iron keep...


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SoufDakotas

Ds3 is after but since time is really convoluted, some parts of it are from before drangleic, irythill, profaned capitol and farron are probably really far back, profaned mightnt be just the fact that catarina was around at that point makes it sound like it is, they were all moved to the present though which is thousands of years after ds2 probably


MaleficTekX

Behind?


vivisectvivi

I guess what they are trying to say is that if you make a line and put the games in order of release, and consider their position on that line, ds3 will literally be behind ds1 and ds2. Weird way to phrase it but i thing i understand


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MaleficTekX

Ds3 should be at the very end There’s evidence of Lordran and Drangelic coming before it such as Gilligan’s corpse in profaned capitol and the flame already having been linked, something that doesn’t even occur until the end of DS1 because by that point only Gwyn had linked the flame, yet Soul of Cinder is an amalgamation of ALL who have linked the flame, and the way the thing fights means it had to have at least the chosen undead and Gwyn link the flame.


boredahviing

I'm pretty sure DS3 is *ahead* of DS2 timeline wise. Not *behind*


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boredahviing

Dude... you said DS3 is "farther behind than all of them"... Which means that you are saying that DS3 is the past... I think at this point you used the word "behind" wrong. Let me get this straight for me and OP, you agree that DS1 -> DS2 -> DS3, right? Normal progression, yes?


DanceChacDance

Yeah, everything else is quite literally filler


Extension-Beat7276

Well Lothric and Lorain had a civil war against the angelic sect that oppose their view of abandoning the flame. The knights of Lothric also tamed dragons or more specifically wyverns.


fromsoftware_enjoyer

let's be honest. After playing the souls game you realize that if you want to get your "trophy", you have to be a bad guy and become a dark soul.


phabiohost

Imo that's the good ending. Finally ending the curse placed on us by destroying the source of its magic.


Maquinoide

Then oolacile happens again


Joeythearm

I am the dark soul??? Always was…..


Kirin658

so is "you two" reffering to lodran and drangleic or lothric and lorian?


MaleficTekX

That’s for you to decide :p >!it was originally for Lordran and Drangleic, but people are finding the meme works for the princes, so...!<


Sinutia

I'm the 3,000th person to like this post


MaleficTekX

You get: a human pine resin


Endokinet

Lore context to the fuckening? Why "you two"?


MaleficTekX

Lordran and Drangleic or Lorian and Lothric Either could work here