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At least it’s not banned nation wide
This is going to age poorly
I agree, but probably for different reasons
So are the women that stick a coat hanger in their genitals
But guess what? All of the sudden the GOP wants to do that now even tho they said it should be a state thing 🤔
It SHOULD be a state thing. The Federal govts' job is to protect the country as a whole, not impose consensus on what they think the constitution SHOULD say. State governments can make amendments on their own accord that do not violate any other constitutional laws. Don't like what your state government does or says? Vote out the morons in office or move to another state. Thats the entire point behind the UNITED STATES.
I don't think a basic human right should be determined state to state, and I believe the right to a safe, clinically provided abortion is a basic human right. Should it have been left entirely up to precedent? No. It should be an amendment to the constitution.
And that's great, but there is a huge segment of the population that disagrees with you. On the other hand, there are tons of people who believe the same as you. As such, accurate representation of the population will take place by putting it in the hands of states. Some will ban it, others will treat it as a basic human right like you mentioned. That's the entire point behind the supreme court ruling today. Not whether its right or wrong, but who it'll be that makes THAT decision.
I fail to see how allowing it to be banned anywhere helps anyone or solves anything. If you don't believe in abortions... Don't get one. What right do they have to deny others who do?
That's why its important for you and yours to vote in representation into your state congress that will fight for your beliefs. Its in YOUR hands now, not Washington's - as it should be
61% of the population believes abortion should be legal. That means that the ones that oppose are a small percentage.
Legal doesn’t mean “legal at anytime for anyone” some of that 61% would be people like me who think it should be legal for 1st trimester or people who think it should be legal for cases of rape or incest
So, the way it was
You mean the basic human right to live? Yea, mind of fucked up that a mother can just say “screw this babies rights, im killing it anyways”
And btw, its not a basic human right to kill your offspring
It is a basic animal behaviour (right)
Look at nature, look at history
When the offspring is too much of a drain on the mother. The offspring is killed
So what you are saying is that we should behave as wild animals rather than humans? You are seriously saying that killing your own offspring is a normal/good thing? Absolutely barbaric
Are you saying someone’s life should be ruined, or they should die, because they got pregnant?
You mean should you be responsible for the consequences of your actions? Yea, if you have to kill another human to avoid them then you better suck it up and deal with it
Thing is it isn’t human yet, and even if it was
(Don’t say it’s life, On a cellular level yes it’s life, so are most things)
Without the ability to feel, remember, without a personality or relationships, is it more important than the life of the mother?
Now let’s say a terrorist is killing people/ruining their lives, Shooting them is fine right?
So is something ruining the life of a woman, or going to kill them, or hell, going to put their family into crippling dept, Really that different?
And what about the quality of life, For someone whose abortion was denied, Whose mother had to abandon their career and education, And take on huge depts to the point that they are probably on the poverty line? Would that be a good life to live?
At the stage an abortion was legal before, it's not even conscious yet. It's not a baby; it's a collection of under-developed cells. This isn't barbarism; it's progress toward better quality of life for all human beings. Holding onto superstition and not understanding science to the point where one thinks abortion is baby murder and are willing to let the mother die or go into poverty to take care of a child they can't realistically care for is barbarism. Forcing a rape victim to birth and care for their rapist's child is barbarism.
Murder is the killing of another human being and whether you like it or not thats a living human. It doesnt need to be conscious to be human, comatose patients are not conscious either, does that mean they are not human? Those cells have a unique set of dna and divide/replicate which is the basis of life. Not sure why you would jump to the assumption of something superstitious as everything ive said has been both logical and scientifically accurate.
Maybe try educating yourself as well, since the statement “the stage an abortion was legal before” has many flaws to it. First off, the overturning of roe v wade didnt make abortion illegal, it just gave the states their jurisdiction back, so check your state laws before you go complaining about it being legal or not.
Secondly, most abortions occur in the first trimester (although over half of the population wants them to be legal throughout the entire pregnancy which is seriously fucked) and in the first trimester a baby already has a brain, spinal cord, heart, and other organs. Arms/legs can be seen only a few weeks after conception, and fingers/toes are formed by week 8. The first trimester is 12 weeks, meaning that you are killing a baby with arms, legs, fingers, toes, and a heartbeat
Having a body and a heart beat isn't the same as having sentience/a consciousness and science is pretty clear that the first signs of these only begin to occur after 18-25 weeks. Meaning that even in the latest stage abortion, the fetus isn't aware/sentient/conscience. It's no different from a slime mold or fungus at that point.
This is not the same as someone who is simply *unconscious* or in a coma; even in those states, their reaction to stimuli is still active. They are still aware of *something* and, more recently, have even been given tools that allow them to communicate despite being unconscious.
An underdeveloped fetus doesn't have any higher brain function *at all.* So unless you want to argue they have a soul, saying they're no different from a fully developed human being is provable as bullshit.
Clearly you know nothing about a fetus or embryo because they do react to stimuli lmfao. Look up abortion procedures and the evidence is pretty clear. And not sure where you got 18-25 weeks from, that is waaaay past the first trimester, and the first trimester is when all the stuff i mentioned is formed. Educate yourself before talking about shit you dont know
>move to another state
you really think people are able to just move to another state like that? do they have the funds to relocate? are they guaranteed a job? the whole statement reeks of privilege.
also, why isn't a basic thing like abortion already in your constitution, considering that you are a ""developed country""?
you guys have lots of problems with your system that stem from y'all not changing stuff that was introduced when the US was established, like its been set in stone, either out of fear or just not wanting to progress.
either way, no excuse for what's happened.
Bro, most European countries have stricter abortion laws than the US.
depends on your definition of strict. there is no law that outright bans any and all abortions in major countries except Poland, tho doctors are allowed to refuse if they want to. and even though the number of months in you're allowed to abort until is lesser in Europe, in the US it's def gonna be outright banned in many red states now. it's better to have any access to abortion than have none at all in some states and freer ones in others.
Guaranteed a job? Nothing is guaranteed on paper, unless you live under a soviet regime.
Nevermind this. The fact that you put "developed country" in quotations at all when referring to the US paints you as an obvious troll or ignorant child.
>guaranteed a job
alright, I'll admit the phrasing is off. what I mean is will you have a job when you move to another state?
>developed country in quotes makes you a troll or child
no it doesn't. just because you're the richest country in the world and lots of people get bare minimum needed to live doesn't make you developed.
your peoples' mindsets aren't very developed, and you have large groups that are reactionaries. a significant portion of your country are idiots who don't believe in science, which is why you have such a high Covid death toll despite you being the "best and richest" country in the world.
you still have poverty and huge income inequality, as high rates of crime in many areas. you still have children dying in schools because "mUh gUnS", and your solution is to give teachers guns.
every step of the way, the US is impeded in progress by their unrelenting need to give everyone freedoms that potentially harm others.
Don't forget the UNITED, states under united set rules. Federal maximums and minimums need to exist to keep states in line in order to stay united. It sounds great to break it down like that, in fact it's the argument used for slavery and why we went to civil war with ourselves. If the fed steps out and allows states to do whatever they want, with impunity then we arnt united and we are 50 separate countries. Protection minimums need to be afforded to the people so that a single bad actor can't destroy the lives of millions.
The "united set rules" you mentioned is called the constitution. Slavery was a clear violation of the inalienable rights granted by the constitution- slavers did not consider slaves to be men, which obviously is wrong.
It only took a hundred years to get that settled
Lol, yeah, just MOVE to another state, people! But fuck you if you're poor and unable to
My God, someone with a brain. It's nice to meet you, fellow redditor of some mental renown.
It blows my mind how many people living in this country have no idea how the structure of our nation actually works.
I stopped being surprised by ignorance a longgg time ago
I will come back to this comment when it ages like milk
From all ''Western'' countries, the US is by far the most absurd and stupid one.
Ok GRU troll. Go eat some borsch
That's why I'd rather try Canada if I dare to migrate. US from side view sounds too scary.
England and France has a hundred year war
Yeah that war was hundreds of years ago you dimwit, during the hundred years war the United States didn't even exist yet and France was still a monarchy.
As silly as having segregation till the 60s?
Falcon Punch cures pregnancies
Thomas has already stated that equal marriage rights and contraception should be next. Just watch.
Are they banning condom?
The majority opinion literally said they were not going to touch these issues. Thomas released his own opinion along with the majority. He is literally the only person on the court that would even entertain such a decision. The other “yes” votes went out of their way in their statements to say they’re only touching abortion.
So states should be able to make both contraception and abortion illegal? Wtf are you thinking man?
States have the right to make their own laws that do not violate constitutional law. Abortion and contraception are not going to be banned nationwide, the decision is now, rightfully, in the hands of each individual state. Oh you live in the bible belt? Guess its time to move to a new state with laws that are more in line with your own ethical beliefs. Its like magic isn't it?
I mean it’s the reality of it. The divide in the country is not reparable. Not for at least a generation in my opinion. Move to a state that is in line with your beliefs if possible.
Its not about an irreparable divide or new civil war or any of that nonsense. The entire point behind having states in the first place is so that different people can make and live by different decisions. The ONLY thing that changed regarding abortion is that now it's in the hands of state governments on whether or not it should be illegal, which is exactly how it should have been to begin with, among several other overreaches that have been made by DC.
I think we agree, I’m just not putting it adequately. I believe the federal government shouldn’t exist at all. Or at least be limited to just military and defense. Maybe a very select few agencies that actually work for regular people. I haven’t thought it all the way through if I’m being honest.
I am thinking that any law or regulation upheld by the federal goverment should be scrutinized. I am not a pot smoking hypocrite.
Well that's good to know, I agree, but to a further extent. All laws should be scrutinized, all regulations should be scrutinized, and when a state pushes laws that can actively harm people, and denying contraception would do that, then something should be done to stop that from happening.
No, it shouldn't. If that is how the citizens of the state vote then that is how they want to be governed. If you don't like it you are free to crawl back to the shit hole you came from.
But, while laws can be recommended by citizens, state laws aren't voted on by the people they are voted on by state representatives, which are in turn voted on by the people, in the same way federal laws are.
I'm saying that the individual should be given more power, in most cases, than the state. I think that is agreeable, no?
Yes, but we are a nation of states so the free citizens of each state has a say in how they are governed with fundamental constitutional rights that can not be infringed.
Just because one party tries to impose their beliefs on the country, like they always try to do, does not mean it should be upheld. Our founding fathers were smarter than we give them credit for, if the goverment kept fighting itself it would be unable to control the people.
That the role of national government is supposed to be limited, and for the most part the states should decide individually on pretty much every issue.
> the role of national government is supposed to be limited
Yes, agreed, it should be limited, but not overturned.
> states should decide individually on pretty much every issue.
Then what's the point of a national government? We might as well be 50 separate nations in that case.
One of the national government's roles is defend the people's civil rights. Denying people both abortion and contraception is both harmful and unconstitutional. While I disagree with anti-abortion laws at least I can understand them, denying people contraception is nothing but absurd, especially when abortion has already been made illegal.
Abortion and contraception are not constitutional rights. They are privileges given to you, like driving. You don't have a constitutional right to drive anymore than abortion. You guys have been led to believe everything you want is a Constitutionally protected right that no one can take from you. You were lied to. You slept through history class or you would know this and not react like flailing children on the floor after having their favorite juice taken away.
I never said it was a constitutional right. I'm not that deluded to think our country cares enough to make healthcare a part of the constitution, however, denying healthcare is incongruous with the constitution, and as such is unconstitutional. Though it can be argued that something that is simply incongruous with it isn't unconstitutional.
I agree with your last paragraph. But we are supposed to basically be 50 separate small countries, united under one flag.
While many of the founding fathers had that in mind, as soon as a central government was formed that idea was overturned. We've been a sovereign state since the turn of the 19th century.
I guess I don't have a counter argument. This round goes to you.
This was the idea behind the articles of confederation, and that went about as well as smoking in a firework store. Issues such as war, imports / exports, national parks, taxes, high-level courts, etc. would only become more complicated without a central government of any power to figure it out.
They will never understand this until they come knocking on their fucking door. Keep giving the Feds power over your life. I will never understand this.
Being ugly is also an effective contraceptive
You didn't have to hurt me like that. 🤣
Or go to a state that has legal late term abortion should your state outlaw late term abortion
good luck with that, not all states will give people that option, i remember reading somewhere that in texas it is illegal to even travel to other states to get an abortion
So every woman has to do a pregnancy test before traveling? That’s impossible to establish
If someone hears that you're going for an abortion and you get reported you could be facing trouble from law enforcement possibly
So.. you have to do the pregnancy test at the police station? Otherwise you could just lie
i don't know how exactly this is going to work as i live in illinois and haven't exactly fully caught up on all the news on everything, but my suggestion is to just plain and simple not tell anyone or even give any chance of having anyone you know know that you're pregnant if you plan on having an abortion
There are a grand total of zero states that have the resources to enforce an abortion ban in this manner. Plus providers will likely refuse to give information on procedures to law enforcement moving forwards. No evidence. No face no case and such
that sounds like the opposite, every state has the means to to take people who break their state's law into court and give them a fine
State laws do not overrule HIPAA. If you go to an out of state provider, there’s nothing anywhere that says they have to disclose anything to law enforcement from another state. Quite the opposite, in fact. They’re legally obligated not to in most cases. In fact, HIPAA would probably also protect in-state providers from handing this information to LE. So there’s that. Unless these states classify abortion as “child abuse” which would be a legal jargon stretch. In which case HIPAA ends there
well let's just see what will come in the following months, if im wrong then i am wrong, so be it. I still think states that are that far right will try to do their due diligence to do everything within their power to get people to have the least chance of getting an abortion
They can't do that
the state can most certainly sue at the very least
Even worse still, you can be "telltaled" by others if you had natural abortion, and be fined for it!
we're getting down voted but this is the same state that has in recent times done this https://sites.utexas.edu/txpep/files/2022/03/TxPEP-out-of-state-SB8.pdf and will for sure try their best to take advantage of the overruling of roe v wade
Isn't that really hard due to the huge size of many US states?
I mean, if you try to walk, yeah
Not everyone has that money or ability…
No, the baby daddy can pay for it or pony up for child support for 18 years.
Except there’s no law that forces them to do that…
A judge will literally force them to pony up child support
I’m talking about paying for the abortion.
He can either pay for the abortion ON HIS OWN FRUITION or pay the equivalent to 6 abortions a year for 18 years BY THE ORDER OF THE COURT
If deadbeat dads used logic, yes, but you’ll find that this often isn’t the case in reality. And what if the father can’t be identified or if the pregnancy was the result of a rape?
If we made an exception for rape victims would you be in favor of banning all other abortions
No, I only used that as one example, there are many reasons to want to terminate a pregnancy and it should always be the mother’s choice because it is their body. This is beside the point though, this discussion is about travelling to other states, which just demonstrates how this is yet another law to punish the poor. Don’t have the means to raise a child and also can’t afford to travel to another state or take the time off work? Too bad, your fault for not being rich.
Just go to school and hope you get shot in your guts 👍
I’m 34 and these fucking boomers are wild. It’s all culture war stuff. I can’t fathom a reason why people get so mad about what other people do. Right or left. I guess that’s why I don’t get along with either of them. But these dinosaurs have to go. No one that is eligible for Medicare should be able to form policy for literally anything.
I swear that’s what Fox News fucktards posted…
Right, like we still have condoms, spermicide, anal, plan b.
Your mom tried all of this but still ended up having you....feel bad for her
Until all of those things are banned or made illegal. At least one justice has already stated in the decision for the overturning of Roe v. Wade itself that “The concurring opinion by Justice Thomas says in the future the court should also reconsider rulings that protected contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage”.
They want to go after Contraceptives, decisions that make anti-sodomy laws unenforceable, and remove the legal support of gay-marriage, all by their own, direct admission.
You're seriously suggesting anal? How long have you had your porn addiction?
Idk about them but my socks have great great great grand children by now....
Where does one get "Thick Bleach"?
Row vs Wade? Rowing works the hamstrings and gluteal muscles of your buttocks, and the core muscles of your back and torso also benefit from this strenuous exercise. The biggest benefit, you will get to your destination a lot faster rowing vs wading.
Okay here me out:
Abortion was made illegal so we can start to produce more children. Children that will be taken from their family’s at a young age due in part to family’s no longer wanting them. These children will then be run through extreme augmentation and training. These children will train all their lives to fight an unknown enemy. After completing their training they will be given advanced armor, weapons and AI that will help mold them for the future.
Finally after many years of training and preparation an invasion from a superior power will threaten the lively hood of the human race. But with the unaborted army now made into a lethal fight force they will expel the invaders and save the human race as we know it.
So next time a white bitch complains about her body her choice just look at her and ask her
“would you prefer to fight the covenant once they invade?”
So what you are telling me, is that instead of abortion clinics, we should have child soldier recruitment stations.
Absolute genius, this way when they inevitably fall is battle (stupid children) nobody will miss them
About 500 years to early
"No no, he's got a point. Gif"
Cortana already exists to talk with. Just need to pass some rights that make her learning a priority. And then when the chief survives a few wars, he can get a cameo in his own show and get his dick wet.
/s for anyone not clear
“Mind telling me what you’re doing on that bed Master Chief? Sir finishing this Covussy”
Get rid of it the natural way!
By drinking some NAIL POLISH REMOVER!
I'm gonna punch so many women:)
Cider House Rulezzzz brah!
Amarica is a third world country with a gucci belt.
This is such a first world issue it's unreal.
Yea it is 1st world we have clean whater
Not in Flint
My water has been testing high for copper for over a year. High meaning 2x to 3x what my city has told me is acceptable. It may have been this way for much longer, but I never expected I needed to test my water living in a decent city.
And no, I'm not in Flint or even Michigan.
You can still go to the store and buy It also you have the Internet
Money solves everything I agree. So buying water at a massive upcharge is what I have to do, instead of my public services fixing their service? Great option...
Still a fust world county just the world sucks
My dad successfully aborted my would be older sibling with a swift kick to the gut. Use the tools you have!
Genuinely asking. Why not use contraceptives? Like significantly cheaper than a hospital bill and a human child.
Before argumentative hate comments roll in I do support the right to abortion but I also support the right to understanding how sex works and being held responsible for the sheer ignorance of actions.
Genuinely responding. Sounds like you're saying it's a woman's fault for getting pregnant. Also:
- Because a mistake with using a contraceptive could never happen.
- Rape could never happen.
- It's rare, but a person who pokes holes in condoms could never be in someone's life.
- Health complications for a pregnant mother can never happen.
You've never made a mistake, clearly.
We need sex Ed, contraceptives and medical procedures available for all the above and more.
You're literally saying that we don't need hospitals because we have bullet proof vests. Yikes
I would like to say that not having sex is the only 100% effective way to not get pregnant. Every time someone has sex with the other gender, they run the risk of getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant. So yes, it is their fault. And usually rapists don’t finish because the police can track them through dna.
You're right. Only way to not have something happen is to not do it. Can't get in a car crash if you don't drive.
Good thing rapists don't get someone pregnant because they don't finish. Glad your world view is so realistic. /s
The thing is in the US you don’t have to have sex to live, in the IS there is a big flaw where to live you almost have to own a car. So yes, my view on the US is realistic
What I love about this whole idea is that it doesn't hurt you to allow any woman to have control over her/their own body, yet so many are clearly against that idea. Meaning, you can choose to have kids or not. Taking that option away from someone and forcing them to keep any child, conceived for nearly any reason, is ridiculous.
So you think it is fine to kill the most innocent among the human race for the woman’s own benefit?
Would you be ok if someone took one of your kidneys against your will to keep someone else alive? It’s about health and bodily autonomy. It’s so easy for men to talk about ‘being responsible and abstinence is the only way’ but it’s the woman who faces the consequences every time, not the man. Until the men face the same consequences or women’s own bodies no longer need to be used to carry the fetus, it should be solely up to the woman to decide.
That's...wow your comment is my full opinion you douchebag. Way to immediately get hateful. You're too easily upset to be having any political opinions. Calm down, grow up and try again in a few years. Maintaining your composure is the key way to making everyone understand our objective of true equality. Honestly people like you are apart of the real issue. No one will believe someone who loses their temper.
And btw it's just as much a woman's fault as it is a man outside the circumstances of rape. Mistakes do happen....for kids but for grown adults well what do they think is gonna happen? That they're gonna win a new plasma screen TV? You can't always save people from the consequences of their actions. If a man throws a punch the consequence is being punched back. If a grown adult has unprotected sex, doesn't use birth control, no condom or even tried the damn pullout method then you need to let people learn from the mistakes. Giving people the idea you can just erase all the critical mistakes you make in life teaches people not to care for their actions...the same actions that affect other people aside from themselves.
Good job on name calling. Very responsible and clearly you keep your temper under control for a discourse like this. Try again in a few years.
So any mistake someone makes should be for life? That's a pretty slippery slope. Get in trouble with the law? Nah, that's never forgiven - you're always a criminal, no forgiveness or redemption for you.
Yikes on that view.
Or maybe dont kill your baby?
I like your point. Let someone ELSE do it. Unvaccinated generally don't live too long. Make it a few years later stage abortion. There are still options.... /s
Cause there could never been a reason a woman needs to have an abortion for any legitimate reason.
You were probably fit with two ears but clearly you don't use them to hear how batshit you sound.
Sorry if I missed an implied /s tho
You are batshit crazy. Formulate an actual argument before you go crying like an incoherent 2 yr old
Euripeans be laughing how they still haven't realised its a 3rd world country, and has been for a while 🤣
please visit a real third world country sometime, just beacause you dont like your leader doesnt mean its hard for you to earn enough to eat
prob a good thing
Snarkiness aside we both know how jarring and perspective changing it can be. Highly recommend at least once.
I've been around the world, on every continent, several times.
Who said anything about a leader?
1. lmao doubt
2. i mean leadership
Doubt all you will, travels over possessions worked good for me in my youth
Europe has strict abortion laws
Europe isnt a country
Did i say it was?
No but ya lumped a lot of countries together making appear as if you did. Same result. You sound like a fool.
But I'm not wrong, countries within europe have pretty strict abortion laws.
You could compare it to the way states in the US have different abortion laws.
I think this is something people should realize. This doesn't mean abortion is illegal across the entire country, but certain states it will be.
I still think it's fucking dumb tho.
In that case the us doesn't have abortion laws at all. It's completely legal.
You are pretty much wrong. Even if it’s the majority, which I’m not gonna research cause I’m lazy, it’s definitely not all.
You can still get an abortion in every state. Just have to do it early. Also, yes, use contraceptives. Did all you fuckers fail health class?
The 6 weeks rules in some states are ridiculous. A large portion of women do not know they're pregnant at 6 weeks. After such it's nearly impossible to abort in those states.
That's like a law that would ban cancer treatment if they didn't diagnose it in the first two months. I'm sure you can see how ridiculous not treating cancer would be. Actually I'm not sure you can see that.
Comparing a baby to cancer is very different, cuz last time I checked a condom doesn't prevent cancer
Both can be achieved through risky behavior. Lol
Not really. The chance of you smoking and getting cancer is lower then having unprotected sex ans getting pregnant
Only a first world country would be so imbued with excess, that killing offspring would even be a thought.
Hasn't been first world for a long time.
UsA Is LiTeRaLlY a ThIrD cOuNtry.
\-not run by a dictorship
\- a democracy
\- good infrastructure
\-freedom of speech
\-not in a civil war
as a person who is from a third world country saying the US is a third world country is such a garbage opinion that I can't believe that people believe.
Good point. Second world then.
-clean water for certain groups of ppl
-wannabe dictator tried to take over
-same wannabe tried to dismantle democracy
-the infrastructure is crap compared to actual first world countries
-100% free speech
-the civil war never ended, just morphed.
"The civil war never ended, just morphed" bro what are you on right now?
It's on social media and the ammo is disinformation. Much more deadly then bullets.
You know what’s deadlier than a bullet? A bullet to the face.
Stop pretending and criticize your country within the bounds of reality. Be respectful. You live in the USA, not in Mozambique.
Ppl are dangerous morons, and in this country most of them are uneducated and own guns. A sane person with a gun is no problem. These ppl tho....
You have problems, but you certainly are not a third world country.
True. Not a third world. But definitely not first. It's just pretends it is.
Because not wanting unborn children to be killed makes you a third world country apparently…
Certainly not third world no. It’s hyperbolism. It does detract lot’s of points in human rights though.
The rights of the unborn babies though?
What babies? Its called Embryo or Fetus, depends on the time.
This exact argument right here, is why the decision should, and will now rightfully be, in the hands of states. Some people are completely against abortion and some are not. Some states will ban it, others will not. An accurate representation of the population.
Yea no. There is control over your body and not.
We gotta stop pretending people who are against it are right in any sorts of place. Law stated that till the 12th week you can abort on request, and till the 24th week you abort due to rape or incest related pregnancies and medical reasons. The law was clear and precise, there was no need to touch it and overrule it.
In Italy a woman can abort in the 12 week on request, no more, and Italy has the least amount of requested abortions in the world (in percentage of population).
That's not how this country works. Simply because you think someone is wrong doesn't make you automatically right. That's exactly why the supreme court left it into the hands of states, and also because of the fact that there was no official law addressing abortion at all. A judicial precedent is not a law. This was not a shot fired in the culture war, it's simply an act of legal sanitation.
Do you think its right for a state to decide what people have to do with their bodies?
This is really dictatorial. You leave people the benefit of doing whatever they wish with their body. Just because you think its wrong to abort, it doesn’t alter your life in any way shape or form if a girl does.
What if I thought that all uncircumcised people should burn in hell? Do you think it would be up to the states of the US to resolve the problem and ban or enforce circumcision?
Now I’m no woman or US citizen, but basic Human Rights are to be respected and enforced. This is not about right or wrong, this is about being objective.
Yes, it IS right for a state to decide whether abortion is wrong or right. Its an incredibly morally, spiritually, and legally divisive issue that does not have one single absolute answer for everyone who lives here. Once again, that is why it's in the hands of states now: where citizens have more control over the issue by virtue of electing representation in their state that agrees with their own point of view. Some states will ban it outright, other states will treat it as a basic human right.
Also your dictatorial statement is contradictory because a dictatorship would tell you what you can and can't do with your body regardless of what its people thought one way or the other.
Absolutely it has a single absolute answer. I need to abort because:
1. Contraceptive didnt work
2. Health reasons
3. Cuz I fucking want to its my body.
Yours or others opinion shouldn’t alter the decisions of me and my own body. NEVER. No matter how strong you voice your opinion to the state, you are denying the other people’s opinion. Its basic. You want to u do it, you are against it u don’t. The dictatorial analogy works. You want the people that think differently from your point of view to respect yours and yours only. Jeez some of your states won’t even let a girl abort in a state where it’s legal.
It’s a developmental stage of a human. It doesn’t suddenly become a baby just because it happens to be located 5 inches outside of the body. Babies continue developing even outside the womb, all the way up until they’re 25 years old.
So exactly. No conscience, no feelings, especially no hard feelings. If a girl needs to abort on request she should be able to BY LAW till 12 weeks.
It’s crazy to think that this bullshit even happened. What are you going to do next? Stop premarital sex?
All the Supreme Court has done is brought us back in time 50 or so years. These states that ban abortion are going to realize quite fast when doctors start doing this procedure under the table and an abortion black market props up. Nobody will accept this. Congratulations
We made murder illegal and people still do it. The overall number should still decrease though, which is a good thing in my book.
Why are you so obsessed with protecting the “rights” of a lump of cells?
Because you and I were once lumps of cells, and I would rather be alive. Someone’s right to be alive takes precedence over someone’s right to not be inconvenienced by the results of decisions they consciously made. Sorry
That lump of cells, prior to a certain point was not you or I. It was the woman’s own body forming the components necessary to create you or I. It isn’t life, it is potential for life. By this very same logic we should ban contraceptives and condoms too because your dad’s sperm was once you. Am I making sense here? 💀 The issue with your argument is that it is blatantly anti-science. Science agrees with me. The pro-life crowd even agreed once; when the original Roe V Wade verdict were reached, the primary argument wasn’t that a fetus or embryo was “alive” it was that SCOTUS had committed an act of judicial overreach. Even the pro-lifers of yesteryear don’t hold the opinion that pro-lifers of today do. This is regurgitated Fox Jews propaganda that you have been conditioned to swallow.
you mean the babies who might grow up in poverty barely getting a meal each night to survive? Or perhabs the babies who will never find a true parental figure being stuck as an orphan and 'unwanted child' their whole life? Maybe even the babies who grew up to be hated due to trauma of the mother
You don’t get to decide for them that they should die. There are people alive right now who are suffering with what you said, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to kill them. In fact, if someone is suffering and wants to kill themself, we generally encourage them NOT to do it. So don’t apply this logic here. Everyone has hardships in their lives, but they can always find things that make life worth living, and it would be a shame to deprive them of this chance because someone decided for them that their life wasn’t worth living because it would be “too hard.”
They can't even decide for themselves tho? Forgetting about the fact that it's a fetus and literally requires the mother in order to exist thus is it not an independent lifeform, a born baby can't even decide that stuff.
Preventing suicide is more about preventing an independent life who has the choice to live or die, a fetus literally doesn't have the choice because it is part of the mother's body.
Also from the things I've listed, I would rather have not been born than to suffer till death
You may have rather not been born, but that’s not your choice to make for others. A born baby can’t decide these things, and yet we don’t kill them. That logic doesn’t have any bearing here. A born baby also can’t survive without a mother, so the independence argument doesn’t work either. What you’re doing is denying them the ability to ever make that choice in the future, because you personally would rather not, and that’s not even accounting for the fact that you don’t KNOW they will suffer. You’re just assuming.
A born baby can in fact survive without its mother, when I mean survive I mean literally being able to breathe and interact with the world without having complete body failure. That is what an independent lifeform is. A lifeform that is able to live on without the need to be hooked up to a lifesource. This also applies to people who cannot live without being in the hospital, however the reason we don't kill them is because they have already been born and have already interested with the world.
They are no longer another organ in a woman's body but their own. A fetus however is basically another organ in a woman's body.