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w015prc

Third side: no matter how you try to change the past, the future is unchangeable and any actions will just lead to the future you already know


speckofconsciousness

Here's a slight deviation. Changing the past doesn't affect the present you live in and not the future, as the future has infinite possibilities. Of course, this is based on the assumption that time traveling to the future is impossible


conneru64

I time travel forward all the time


speckofconsciousness

Of course, you do. I should have phrased it properly, I was talking about jumping to a future time, what people usually mean when they say "time travelling to the future"


conneru64

So the discontinuous kind?


speckofconsciousness

Yeah exactly, the sci-fi kind


Shad0wzZ_Yt

That's not true, you time travel from the past to the present, because you are never in the future but always in the present right ?


Lostdirewolff

Like in Dragon Ball Z


Piranh4Plant

If anything, right now only traveling to the future is possible


TheBurningBud

The future does not have infinite possibilities.


speckofconsciousness

How can you possibly know that??


Pastasauce87

It's absolutely possible to travel to the future relative to others. Einstein proved that. It's not possible to travel to the past, however.


speckofconsciousness

But you see, its not really "time travel" in its generic meaning, but more of a moving faster in time than others. Does that make sense??


Pastasauce87

Is it not? Under massive gravitational time dilation, you could leap forward years in the matter of seconds. That's pretty much sci-fi time travel.


Fern-ando

Makes the most sense to not create a paradox, it you killed your gransfather, surprise your grandmother cheated on him and he was never your grandfather"


Not1random1enough

Time doesn't exist


Mechagodzilla_3

Or you do something terrible like sleep with your own Grandmother


lilskurt

Dark moment


[deleted]

This can't work cause if I go back and kill someone , they won't come back unless some miraculous technology is invented , which again would change the present


Sianic12

It does if your *attempt* to kill that person fails and you get arrested for attempted murder. The idea is that you are physically incapable of doing something that would change tee future, so if you try to kill someone who's alive in the future, then that murder attempt will be prevented by something. That's what the idea is about.


[deleted]

If I get arrested, that still will change the future


Sianic12

Not if your arrest already happened in the past of your present. That's the premise of OP's theory. Whatever you do while in the past was always meant to happen and did happen, so even if you attempt to kill someone important, this plan of yours was always meant to happen and always meant to fail.


[deleted]

Wouldn't there be two me then, one , older arrested and one not


Not1random1enough

Yes


damn_lies

If you had gone back and killed someone they’d already be dead.


Shychopath

The Predestination Paradox


Not1random1enough

Is it a paradox? Nvm. I forgot there has to be something that starts the causal loop that isn't visible now


UnknownSpecies19

This is the way. The stream only flows one way, no matter the twists or turns it all ends up exactly at the same place.


conroyale

I like that version of time travel, the one in Happy Potter. It's all self-enclosed.


Not1random1enough

Its a mind fuck when you realise Dumbledore thought of it when he realised it already happened. Closed causal loop. Altho how did it start


Judethst

Exactly what I always say!!!


Gapoly

The exact same theory from Dark. Which is the right one


AncientOsage

GANG SHIT!


dis_not_my_name

This


Tobi226a

The old Grandfather paradox


UnknownSpecies19

This is the way. The stream only flows one way, no matter the twists or turns it all ends up exactly at the same place.


Lumpyalien

But the future refused to change.


yettiskweze

This , if you've ever watched DARK


Zbeubor

so blue, if it doesn't change your future it changed it for the other timeline that you created in which it always happenned that a wierd dude out of a phone booth said killing that baby isn't as bad as it looks


GIOFORCHIOMAN

Lemme teach you how it works... If I go to the past to stop 9/11 and I succeed, 9/11 will never happen, so I (in the future) will not go to the past to stop it, so 9/11 will happen. Since that will happen, I'll go back to the past to stop 9/11 and ... a loop generates from here So is blue


probablemayo

Basically the grandpa paradox


Redditing-Dutchman

I prefer to go a step further and step on some slimy goo 4 billion years in the past thus ending life right then and there.


AndonTheBest

You'd probably actually jumpstart life if you did that, because all the living stuff on your shoe. I recommend a flamer, **the heavy flamer**


Zbeubor

or its more compact and efficient name, the "grandparadox"


squirrl4prez

Or is it a new timeline since you injected yourself into a spacetime fabric, making it different from the get-go and the future is going to be different anyway The real question is HOW they time traveled, does the timeline split? Does it break down and kill everyone because of your loop? Does it cross multidimensional planes???


EligibleUsername

That's what most time travel stories use in order to avoid confusion and paradox, a character going back to the past split the timeline to one where their version of the past didn't happen, their original timeline goes on like normal. To answer your second question, one version of time travel that I currently like very much is one from a game I play. The dude try to resurrect his presently dead lover, so he becomes a demi-god, then, through careful planning, remove himself from all timelines, making him an exception to the world's rules. Then with what remains of his demi-god power, he manually split the timeline so the event that lead to his lover's death didn't happen. Of course he died after that since one cannot exist outside of the universe. It paints a fantastical yet very realistic version of time travel, an endeavour that only the most stubborn of fools would follow through.


GarlicBread143

What if i go back in time with the sole goal to get lets say a pizza but also as a side thing I accidentally end up stopping 9/11 would that create a paradox? In that case my only goal was to get pizza not stop 9/11


saad951

Yeah you'd end in a situation where if you stopped nine eleven, then you only got pizza, so then you didn't stop nine eleven, so then nine eleven happened so you stopped it by accident while getting a pizza etc


DragonGod8361

Pizza is our savior!


SwashbucklingAntler

That's where the concept of timelines comes in. In that scenario you going to the past and stopping 9/11 shifts the world to a timeline where it didn't happen.


TJSomething

That's why, for works of fiction with red, you need to add ancillary rules. Usually, time travelers get some kind of immunity to changes in time.


TheBurningBud

Wait.. what. If you stop 9/11 when you travel to the past.. then why would the future version of yourself have to go back in time at all, to stop something that didn’t happen because you already stopped it? That doesn’t make any sense. There is no loop. You just created a new timeline. One where 9/11 doesn’t exist.


Realistic_Analyst_26

There are 3 sides. 1) Back to the Future version where you go back and time, change something, and your present and future changes 2) Endgame version where changing something in the past creates a new branch timeline while the original timeline stays the same 3) Harry Potter version where it is like a loop, and we literally see the time traveller changing things and then we will eventually get to the point where they go back in time.


squidkid164

Stein's Gate is 2 and 3 at the same time lol


JusticeBeliber

Aah A fellow steins gate enjoyer Note: a good scifi time travel show tbh


squidkid164

Indeed, i have watched it multiple times


aryanshvasu81

Even 1 to some extent. He did change ruka's gender, get Mayuri killed instead of kurisu etc.


squidkid164

Rukako's gender only changed because the timeline changed due to the d-mail's affects though, right? Same with Kurisu i believe 🤔


aryanshvasu81

Yeah. That's why I said to some extent. These were some extreme cases. Man, stein's;gate is crazy.


squidkid164

It really is... Everything is connected, yet convoluted


JusticeBeliber

Yes its mind boggling and i love it


kamekaze1024

I’m ngl, I fucking hated the Harry Potter one. How can a student yield or even be able to use something is dangerous as that. And Dumbledore knew but didn’t even care???


Realistic_Analyst_26

I did some research into the lore at some point. Hermione wanted to take all of the classes but had to choose some. She talked to Professor McGonagall and she spoke with Dumbledore and they arranged this for her with the Ministry of Magic. The only other students who I recall have had this privilege are one of the older Weasley's and Barty Crouch Jr.


kamekaze1024

That’s so strange tho. Like why would professors of magic bestow a time altering device to a teen to take more classes??? I understand I’m supposed to have suspension of belief but this is just ridiculous


MaybeTomBombadil

Well the student was considered extremely responsible. /s


Ionelyscythe

the teachers of the wizarding world aren't exactly responsible, they have no problem letting their students compete in life-threatening games for their entertainment


Old-Revolution8665

Blue


jkp2072

Theory 3 : everything is predestined most of the times, rarely you are a factor driving it and rest of the time your interference makes no change at all.


imaSEXYmiljybar

So basically loki Vs back to the future


Yeet_Master420

No Loki and back to the future were the same thing, new timeline That's the whole point of the TVA, so stop new timelines


Fredgiguere

Yeah but changing things in the past in Loki still creates a new timeline and doesn't change the main one. The TVA just prunes the branches that are formed. In Back to the Future, changing the past directly alters the timeline. There's no need for a TVA type authority because no branches are being formed


PhatBallllzAtHotmail

You can't change the past because that past led to you being able to go back in time. Any change might effect you going back. It creates a new timeline...


saad951

You should watch steins gate and thank me later


PhatBallllzAtHotmail

I will, thank you.


MiZe97

One thing, though: it starts out slow in the first episodes, but it gets paid off GREATLY in the later ones. It's an amazing show, but it takes its time.


AlfredJButler

Time Travel on a non-subatomic scale is likely impossible, but if it wasn't, I'd lean more in the predestination direction: anything you do was always going to happen anyway, so you can't really change anything.


juklwrochnowy

What if i create a paradox?


AlfredJButler

That's the problem. Time doesn't really seem to support paradoxes. Any time-travel-like behavior we see in nature is more of a super-position kind of situation, which is less a time-***travel*** scenario and more of a being-in-two-spacetime-coordinates-at-once kind of thing.


DatTolDesiBoi

That’s kind of why I like the branch theory lol. If there are multiple time lines, the way I see it is that when you time travel, there’s a timeline where you exist and end up in the timepoint you were trying to travel to, and one where you don’t exist. If you do anything to change the past, we’ll, it’s a new timeline. Nothing collapses, but the new timeline might be very different from the old one.


Zbeubor

so you're saying that on a subatomic level it is bossible? what if we made someone desintegrate then travel in time to then be recombined which would result into a pain so great that the person traveling would lose their mind but would be in the past


TetaGama

I'm with the time travel is impossible gang


TheMaxorizor

Only backwards, forwards you just need to go near something massive. Like your mom


Binzuru

Last time we went forward, she broke the bed-- I mean, we broke the timeline


theexteriorposterior

Me too. It all comes down to a question I never thought to try to answer before. What is time? And the only think I could think to say is that time is change. Things wear down and decay. I have thoughts. An animal moves from one piece of grass to another. Dead plant matter is decomposed by a fungus. The tide rolls in and out. Change. And if time is change, then I don't see how it could be something you can manipulate. It's not a substance. You can go forward in time, so to speak, by pausing your body's natural wearing down and not remembering anything that happened to you while things around you changed. But you can't go back. How do you undo a change that has occurred? How do I unbake a cake? Can entropy be reversed? How? Of course physicists should feel free to jump in here and tell me about any weirdo particle things or whatever. I don't know anything lmao.


nephew_of_the_corn

They are the same picture.


Main_hoon_Gian

depends who's writing the story


olajpro04

Techically both of these can be correct answer and nether of these are not coorect.


oooohnooovom

I’m pretty sure it creates a new timeline only if you go to another parallel universe that is exactly the same


leo341500

Blue side


Tado_Inven

same


Thot_Slayer_911

It obviously creates an entire new timeline, how do people don't know this?


Fredgiguere

Well I mean nothing about time travel is obvious. It's literally all theoritical so of course not everyone agrees on how it would work


MiChan_Aimi

Tokyo Revengers be like :


[deleted]

I don’t believe in timelines, but they are easier to explain. What if you travel in time to kill your mom before you were born. You wouldn’t be born so you can’t kill her so you will be born so you kill here but you can’t because that means you won’t be be born so you’re getting conceived and then you go back in time to kill your mom but that means you’re never being born so you can’t kill her so she stays alive and you’ll be born and so on and so on. If there are timelines you just create a new timeline where you remain as anomaly. But yeah, time is linear and time travel is impossible. So it’s team red all the way.


[deleted]

Is this not the same thing


Fredgiguere

No not at all. The red one means that there's only one timeline and when you go back in time, that timeline changes according to the changes you made in the past. The blue one means that when you go back in time, the timeline you came from stays the same, and the changes you made will create a brand new timeline. So basically, in the red scenario, when you return to your time, the world will be different because of what you changed. While in the blue scenario, nothing about the world will have changed


TheDivineAscended

Let me present a different theory: no matter what you do, you will not be able to change the past, because the past is already set in place, it’ll simply give you a new perspective.


nebetsu

There is no such thing as the past because all the matter that was used to make up the past is now making up what we see as the present.


Markosoft_EXE

Changing the past creates a new timeline because then I can just jump between all the ones I create and do as I fucking please, and go back to my timeline when I’m done


A_lot_of_foxes

The real question is if you go back in time and it takes you 10s to do so, now if you go back in time another 10s directly afterwards are you where you started before you time traveled or even further back in time


Biggaynina

Na na na crips and bloods. Na na na hope and love.


Pete563c

I don't really like either of them. I think the additional timeline theory is the most logical of the two, because the act of "going back in time and changing the future" doesn't really make sense, that's just a paradox. If you're supposed to change the future entirely, then where are you supposed to come from? And if you're not there then you wont be able to change the future. So it just doesn't make sense. Im more for the idea that you would be able to make the present. If you travel back in time, you would only be able to influence the world into going the way it is going anyways. That's also where the paradox of talking to your former self comes from, since you don't remember having any experience talking to a different version of yourself, there is no way you would be able to talk to yourself in the past. You could try, but it would never happen. The muli timeline theory ties into that logic, since the existence of multiple existences cancels out that general paradox. You don't remember talking to your future self, but you can go back and talk to a past self, since it's a completely different you. But I don't really like thinking about that as time travel, since you're going somewhere completely different.


D3AN22

Time travel is one those concepts where new theories came up every single time


RealisticEmploy3

My take is that changing the past is impossible. The future you’re in is a product of the past. If you went to the past that means the future you’re in has already been influenced by you. You can’t have normal cause and effect and time travel at the same time.


josephus_the_wise

Well those two options can be the same thing. You go back, change something, it spawns two separate realities. Now which one do you go back to? The one you came from where nothing changed? Or the one where things changed? Because that single perception could be the difference maker in which answer you would say happened.


Wisdom58

red


vengeance-zubakesari

We can't go back in time!!


RRtechiemeow

am on the blue


margenreich

I guess if something like travelling back in time is possible, travelling in the future isn’t. Maybe freeze yourself but then you exist two times and created a second timeline anyway. Why should the other you be replaced?


ComprehensiveAd699

Changing the past is impossible. Its also a tired trope in fiction.


Ch47t3rb0x

Changing the past destroys the fabric of spacetime because it creates an unsolvable paradox


Randalf_the_Black

Hawking arranged a party for time travelers. No one showed up. *Sad-beep-boop-noises*


The_SCP_Nerd

Optimistic me is blue, if its red then changing the past would kill the old future, and everything in it


BL33D1NG

Blue one makes a lot of sense and I am with it


NeilPondei

It might be too late to say this but what I meant was like red side affects the future you were living in (like flash in flashpoint) or blue side, you changing the past doesn't affect your future but only just creates an alternate timeline (like Trunks in Dragon Ball Z)


Tiranus58

I don't like paradoxes so blue, paradoxes are also the main reason that red version of time travel would be impossible


imaginedodong

Technically you going in the past is a paradox, now there are 2 of you.


Dark_Sage_316

I like the multi-timeline theory because , if it is a single timeline , then humans died before inventing time travel or humans invented time travel and THIS , THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN GET , which is terrifying ... single timeline theory opens up way too much to room for question without answers so I like multi timeline theory because then , oh it's cool , nothing will matter , but it opens up incredible ways we can move ahead (literally and theoretically) ... as we'd be able to communicate with the future and not affect neither but also get beneficial advice/theories proven if we contact the right future


oreoglitchy

Changing the past doesn't do anything because it changed when you went back to change it


Beryyseimith

I don't fucking know


MikeTony713

Two different way of wording, same meanings. lmao


Fredgiguere

Not really no


TheDevinWinter

When you go into the 'past' you're moving to a state of the universe that was identical to said time, but you are still moving forward in the book of reality. It's not a new timeline, it's simply a copy of the past which gives an illusion of impacting your previous present


Jamebuz_the_zelf

Depends on the story and what makes a the narrative interesting.


[deleted]

Both.


trintonr19

Theoretically there are infinite iterations of every possibility in our.. would I say dimension or time line at this point..? Argue over this now I guess.


newb_h4x0r

Changing the past performs `git rebase`


RG_Ezu

crip forever


Searandan

Past affects the future: grandfather paradox makes this impossible. New timeline: accounts for the grandfather paradox by creating a timeline where you are not born in it. If you were to travel forward in time to the initial point of time travel, would you travel in your timeline or the new timeline? If it is the new timeline then you become trapped in the new timeline created. If you travel to your original timeline then you are bound to that particular time line when time traveling. You could also possibly have a choice as to what timeline you go to. Causal loop: self contained events that are the means of creating events that already occurred.


Longskyfromitaly

Stop fighting... c'mon!


[deleted]

imagine if we discover time travel but find out that time patrol exists and they won't let you travel


Smoah06

How bout everything that happened in the past already happened in the future and you can’t change it and if you do you find out you are the reason for the future you are in.


Team_Baby_Kittens

Time travel is really hard to write about.


Mr-pokerface

Red easily Well that’s after seeing your name.


[deleted]

Yo change the image fool. Im a ganger and u aint reppin without my permission. Please contact the Bloodz PR department for licensing info. Thanks.


[deleted]

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.


im-got-no-insides

But you can’t change what has already happened.


Foxyplayz3

Blu team


TonightOk2889

Green side: changing past is gay, grind hard to create future


paxxx17

On the side that claims you cannot change the past


Summerclaw

Second one.


ExceedHappy

No, you can only travel to the future.


umarmg52

The Prisoner of Azkaban


Roger_015

red is basically impossible because of the paradoxes you can create, the only solution would be a new timeline or the 'the outcome is always the same' theory that is mentioned in the comments above. or time travel is just outright impossible.


Gloomy_Hyena5096

u cant change the past u just go to a different timelime and change that idk


WorldFavorite92

Idk man I just finished Russian Doll again last night and I'm still confused


Fern-ando

Makes more sense the : "time travel already happened and you can't alter anything even if you tried" the Harry Potter 3 version


TruestGuff

It's a new timeline, the branch off happens immediately and you become affiliated with that new timeline the imediate moment you create the branch (AKA if you create through a modificatioj in the past that causes you not to be born, a new timeline where you don't exist appears, and you instantly become that timeline's you, and you dissapear cause you ain't born)


Affectionate_Cut_103

New timeline is more manageable, but changing the future is more fun


SeaworthinessWide384

The argument is redundant, I agree with the title


GarlicBread143

Changing the past creates a new timeline and that timeline becomes the one you live in, essentially changing the future


Brownieeeeeeeee

New timeline is far better to lay on but directly affects it makes more theories


rJaxon

I don’t think time travel is possible within your same timeline, but possibly swapping places with a different self in an alternate timeline


Agreeable-Bee-1258

My theory is that clearly if time travel existed it would create a new timeline. Hitler wouldn’t exist in our time line bc honestly who’s the first person a time traveler would merk?


SnowySupreme

Thats the same thing


Kruto_7000

new timeline


RomanWasHere2007

New timeline, like if you kill Hitler and if it's changes your timeline then the changes might be HUGE and you might have a hard time adjusting


S_VB

you are already living in the future where your change happend, going back and "changing" the past does nothing because your change happend in the past, there is nothing new about it. in other words, your change already happend before you took the initaitive to go past and change it, because it happend in the past.


Newguyiswinning_

The actual theory: changing the past does nothing since it already happened, as in you already changed the past before (ex interstellar)


SwashbucklingAntler

As a Steins;Gate fan, I am obligated to say blue.


mnavneethkrishna

You just change the events in a different dimension.


WarnDragon

They are literaly the same thing, jesus.


krullord

The whole timeline is predetermined and has happened before, in a cycle of universe expansion and contraction in the "big crunch". You will live again, and again, forever.


Real-Revolution5975

“We all have our own time machines memory’s to take us back and dreams to take us to the future”


This_Willingness7672

You can't change the past


jadedyoungster

Time has been already set. There’s a theory that you can’t change anything, and even if you did go back in time or in the future, it was supposed to happen. You won’t change the end result. Otherwise how many times you think other life forms would’ve fucked up the space time continuum by now.


[deleted]

Blue, Nuh doy? Only way to avoid paradoxes


efekaan0034

Blue


Perfecto_24

What if you try to change past then you need to start from dere


ILikePenguinss

Fourth side: The past is already being changed as each decision you make becomes a past decision that changes the future, current time is much closer to the past than the future


id7e

My side: you can't go back in time


doubletimerush

Wait, you forgot the universe directly rejects you and you clip through the world


Flexmypex

My theory is that if time travel were possible it would require so much energy that the resulting energy surge caused by you suddenly appearing in the past/future would be enough to alter the flow of time and change events with out you even interacting with any one or thing.


NoneAtAll18

I would probably lean more towards blue if anything. If you tried to follow the rules of red and went back to stop something like 9/11, you would never succeed otherwise you'd make a paradox. If you did go back in time, I'd imagine you'd only ever be able to cause known events to happen rather than prevent any or cause new ones. If it's blue, it wouldn't make any paradoxes though, unless you could also travel to the future of this new timeline, there wouldn't be much point for trying to change anything.


Hackmanite_Ultra

Banana microwave


obezkr

stains gate


sad_shid

The past cannot be changed because that in itself is a paradox


nerdqueen69

Wouldn't that be the same thing? The "affected future" would *be* the "new timeline".


FINDERFEED

I think it creates a new timeline because what will happen to the world you were in? It will collapse or what?


IamMyles

Closed loop when you're in the same timeline, like Harry Potter time turners. But if you change something it creates a parallel universe that the new reality is in. I had an idea for a book where these two grad students finally succeed in making a time machine, but every time they try to change something in the past, they go back to the present to find it wasn't changed, and they keep doing it and still no changes. And then they find out later that it was a parallel universe machine, not a time machine. So they were travelling to a parallel universe that was an exact copy of theirs but just 100 years in the past. Both universes still followed along the same timeline, just one was a bit in the past. So they couldn't see how they affected things unless they waited out the full 100 years. And then they get lost in parallel universes trying to get back home and shit.


tubbywubby2001

p a r a d o x


WackBoat

Alternative: you can't travel back in time in this timeline, but there is infinite realities and when you travel in time you basically travel to an alternative reality where time is behind. Because of that you wont change the current timeline


i_dont_care_1943

It has to be blue because red is a paradox.


Tall_Economics_5881

It is for now unknown


Parking_Tangelo_798

Well if you were to then you'd just deviate from the path of randomness. So I guess you create a new timeline or maybe you just die of spaghettification


Shad0wzZ_Yt

I like to think that when a universe is modified in an unstable way it collapses, like it never existed, so the only existing universes are stable loops


KaizerKlash

Pink : your time machine better be a spacetime machine because the earth and the solar system moved by an un-insignificant amount so not only do you have to travel through time but space as well. Wich means you probably have a teleportation device.


________null________

TVA is watching this thread with great interest


mazinooooooooooo

Well enjoying threesum with past , present and future ✌️✌️✌️


LordTvlor

Or when you go back the future becomes your past, the past becomes your future and everything you do has already been done by the you before you. The consequences for all your actions are already being felt. The timeline is immutable.


aryanshvasu81

I have a lame theory. Free will is an illusion and consciousness exist only to justify our action and not making one. So if you went back in time, you would make the same decision, hence nothing will change and you will convince yourself that it's what you want to do.


I401BlueSteel

The past directly changing the future creates paradoxes every time you go to the past to change something because then you would have never had to go back and change it making you never go back to the past so then it has to be changed leading you to go back to the past. I believe multiple timelines theory was invented to make the concept of time travel more forgiving when making movies or shows. The reason we never see time travelers is because us seeing them would alter the future to the point that they'd never travel to our point in time creating new paradoxes.


JanusGodOfChange

Pokémon version names are getting awfully complex


DatTolDesiBoi

I’m a crip in this case.


FanaticNymph07

Mf how you gonna go into past