By - avhir0ck
If they are cute you have to call them fishies
🐟🐠🐡🦈: The Birth of Fishieses is basically the Fish equivalent of three wise fishmen meeting babby fish-jesus for the first time bearing gifts of lobster, butter, and red wine.
If one of them is Snoop Fish, they’re called fishizzles
I’ll have what he’s boofing .
The book of Fish Matthew is frequently misinterpreted by fish Christians all over the world, hence we have the non-biblical tradition of three fish kings visiting baby fish Jesus after his birth by following the star that appeared over fish Bethlehem. None of this is attributed in the fish bible.
First of all, they were not fish kings. This “tradition” was added by the Fish Council of Nicaea hundreds of years later in order to retroactively establish that the birth of fish Jesus was fulfilling the watery prophecies of fish Isaiah (Ch. 60):
> Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn…And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the Lord.
Second, there were not three of them. The fish Bible mentions that wise fish came bearing *three types of gifts* - actually gold and two similar types of incense - so it was likely a large trading caravan.
It’s worth noting that fish Jerusalem was a major trading port between fish Persia and fish Rome. Gold and incense were among the most common trade goods in high demand, the former often collected in Persian foothills and the latter naturally growing in the desert environment of the Levant. Both were rare in fish Rome, hence they were commonly found in Mediterranean port cities.
Therefore it’s no surprise that a caravan of Persian traders, already on their way to the port cities, would be carrying large amounts of these commodities. It wouldn’t be uncommon for them to give a small portion of their goods as a means of charity to a family they happen to pass along the way, particularly if a camel was ill and they needed to lighten the load. Because of the relatively low value of these goods in fish Persia but the high value in fish Rome, we would expect traders would load the camels with as much as they could carry but then lighten the drop some of their shipment if the camels struggled - rather than carrying a lighter load to begin with. Low risk high profit.
Third, they did not arrive immediately after the birth. Despite the tradition of including them as part of the Christmas celebrations, the dates of their conversation with king Herod corresponds to approximately five years of elapsed time since the birth of fish Jesus. It’s also worth noting that Herod demands the death of young guppies, not infant hatchlings, roughly within an age range of 3 to 6, and this was before the fish magi visited.
It’s an important cultural tradition throughout the fish Christian world but it’s not an accurate interpretation of the fish biblical text.
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But you don't serve red wine with fish
I was being a little silly. In high-school we read a novel titled 'You don't serve red wine with fish,' and I thought I'd reference it.
I had no idea such a book even existed.
And when referring to plural fish adjectives, like live cat fish, online catfish, dork fish, fish hook, fried fish, fish fry, etc, you may use fisheses.
Sounds like an ad on the Bubba Gump Fish Co. website
Except I'm pretty sure it was Bubba Gump *Shrimp* Co., and I've never heard of fish shrimp/shrimp fish.
It was said in pun
Puffer fish are 100% fishies
🐟 : fish
🤔 : fishy
🎏 : Fishish
And if you are a hip (maybe even a radical), gen xer, then you get to call them WHET BOIIS.
PETA ran this campaign and it was... it was weird.
Half of PETA campaigns are silly so that people share them for free since they laugh at them. The rest are creepy so that people share them because they are so angry.
PETA doesn't actually do much for animals.
Bruh, most PETA campaigns I saw are celebrities posing in the nude, honestly.
Yeah but without showing the funny sruff. So PETA is worthless even for that
Only for catfish.
Unrelated, but my next shiny water Pokémon is getting the nickname “Wet Boi”
This comment makes me happy.
Gen X? Like the 40 year olds?
Yeah, you know, the people who developed the Internet. And kid, you will be 40 in time too.
Obligatory [fishing for fishies by KG&tLW](https://youtu.be/beIDKFwXam0) reference. Also [watch &/or listen](https://youtu.be/bM9z-IsvR70) to me talking about the entire album and why I love it so much.
I'm gonna eat you little fishies
I'm gonna eat you little fishies
I'm gonna eat you little fishies
'Cuz I like eating fish
Today's fish is Trout A La Creme, enjoy your meal.
^(I'd keep going but I'm going to bed)
Hey you crazy monkey you creased my suit
I see RD, I up vote.
Who's the cute wittle fishesss?
I prefer to call them fishy fish 🐠
My son when he was 2 would call the "shishies"
I have it on good authority that you are in fact, correct.
I go to the aquarium
Is like a zoo for fishies
Dammit, came here to say that, take my upvote.
They teach this in Kindergarten! Good reminder, nonetheless. :)
We would also accept feesh
I *always* call them fishies
Therefore, "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes" is correct grammar.
I believe you.
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Certainly a subtle yet correct difference in implication of open water.
Yes. If he was dumped at a fish farm in a tank containing only salmon, it would be incorrect.
Only salmon? I knew it was you The_Truth_Believe_Me, and you broke my heart. Hymen Roth had us invest privately in a salmon farm with Johnny Ola.
It’s also referred to as a “double plural”
Multiple groups of multiple types of fish?
What's the plural of species??
What has it got in its pocketses?
* Sheeps (Multiple different sheep breeds)
* Sheepses (Multiple groups of sheeps)
Bond. James Bond.
(Help. I think I messed up)
Don’t sweat it. Someone, somewhere can hopefully tie Octopi and James Bond together without saying Octopussy.
There’s plenty of… fishes in the sea?
There are* ?
Came here to say this. Joy to you and me. Take my upvote.
Just like peoples
I lost a mark in 5th grade ESL exam because I wrote peoples as the plural of people, was told “tHaTs NoT a WOrD”. I require compensation.
We had a book in our grade school library simply titled "FISHES" with pictures and info about fish from around the world.
I asked my teacher why the book title would use the wrong spelling (as we had recently learned fish/fish) and she simply replied "sometimes books have typos".
My grade school teachers meant well but there were a lot of things like that.
I had a teacher who said Oldsmobile was a common noun because there are (were) different models, but that Cutlass was a proper noun because it was a specific Oldsmobile.
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When you get a Canadian quarter mixed in with your change, suddenly you have Monies.
I prefer moneys. But maybe that's for non-dollar currencies.
I may have spelled it wrong.
It's just a weird word you hear from toddlers and college professors, but no one in-between.
And my axe!
And filthy hobbitses!
Brings me back a decade or two when I recieved back an english exam (foreign language) asking for plurals. I explained to the teacher peoples is the plural of people when referring to different kinds of people. She didn't believe me.
Hey English, why are you like this?
This is also how English speakers (at least my dialect) often use the plural forms of uncountable nouns -- not to indicate multiple instances, but multiple types.
Example: "France is known for its many wines and cheeses" (i.e. different types of wine and cheese)
This is why it sounds perfectly normal to say "a connoisseur of the arts" (i.e. different *forms* of art such as music, painting, etc.) but sounds silly when Dr. Zoidberg requests "one art, please!"
So when I ask my husband to "get milks" - we use two different types - and he laughs at me I am actually correct!
Ha, in your face, K!
All I think about is [Joe Rogan getting corrected](https://youtu.be/s4GYZvs1aKo?t=96) by Neil Scienceman.
"You never heard fishes??"
Who would have thought a guy paid to get punched in the noggin and who's biggest endeavor prior to some shitty spoken blog was to encourage others to eat bull nuts would be an idiot?
I don't think he ever fought but just started commentating in the 90s, and kept doing it because enough people liked him?
In the same vein, I'm also an idiot who didn't know the technical distinction of "fishes vs. fish" until this interview but I only encourage people to eat bull nuts if they're locally sourced.
Sounds like you are a Millennial Rogan or is it a Joe-Z?
I mean... Not everyone can know everything. In this video he was proven wrong about something and accepted he was wrong, learned something new and moved on. Honestly that's better than most
Weird how he doesn't go through this same process when it's information he already has an opinion on.
At one point when he was babbling about Bondo apes, a hoax from 2003, a primatologist called in and corrected him, and he lost his shit
I'm cringing so hard. Wow.
Wow what a fucking butthurt little man child.
I would say that multiple types of fish can also be refered to as "fish" when considering them as a single group of similar animals.
If, however, your statement is actually pointing to the fact that they are indeed different types of fish, and you're considering them as separate groups, then they'd be refered too as "fishes".
I feel like the use case for "fishes" is so niche it's not worth knowing.
Worth knowing to also talk back to everyone who says that fishes is not an actual word.
I can confidently say fishes now, waiting to be corrected
Sorry for my bad england
That's not very goodgly
Are other languages like this?
Not the same. But the plural in Italian isn’t adding an “s” at the end. Like the plural of fratello is fratelli. And depends if the word is masculine or feminine.
Also the “J” doesn’t exist!
Also... There is no such thing as [fish](https://youtu.be/uhwcEvMJz1Y)
What about [ghoti](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti)?
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I quite love the pod cast No Such Thing as a Fish which stems from QI
My favourite part is finding out what there is no such thing as every week.
yeah english is weird
ghoti spells fish
2 ghoties, if there's more than one kind of ghoti
We have the same in German with *milk*.
The rules are all made up, and if your audience understood your meaning you did them correctly. Hell, even doing them correctly doesn't result in a perfect exchange of meaning.
If you focus on the meaning rather than the rules is does work a lot better though.
The rules are there to make sure meaning is exchanged as accurately as possible. Maybe that's not so important in day to day conversation, but it is when it comes to things like the law or sciences.
If the rules were there to make sure meaning was exchanged as accurately as possible, plurals and possessives wouldn't both be marked with an -s, we would still have "thou" for second person singular and use "you" for second person plural only, etc.
Grammar does have to be "good enough" to allow meaning to be exchanged, but it's also shaped by lots of other factors, including trends, politics, and a healthy dose of random chance.
Yeah, it is important to the law and science. And if you're big on language those are considered different, but related, languages. The language used in the law and science is also limited in that same manner, and when you look closely you'll find there is a whole world of ambiguity in the law as well. As a contemporary example, see the 2nd amendment and "well regulated militia".
Aside from that, that's not why the rules are there. The rules are there for a lot of complex social reasons and "ensuring meaning is exchanged as accurately as possible" is pretty far down the list. A strict adherence to the rules limits your ability to convey meaning with words, though as you mention it can be useful in certain contexts - which is not really what's going on with this post.
Ontop of that, English language is a bastard child of England getting fucked by most of Europe. Then, England got its shit together and started fucking the world. Eventually, English was forced on everyone else.
Even without getting fucked, the language was largely spoken. There's some retrofitted rules when writing, but those have evolved over the decades since the printing press. Hell, groupings of animals was mostly invented by a few people. Book of Saint Albans from quick Google search, and I half-remember there's some questionable history if you dig in
What I'm really trying to say is English is where everything is made up and the points don't matter
Fishes of the Sea is a marine biology textbook.
Fish of the Sea is a menu.
One fish, two fish. Red and blue fishes.
This one has a little star
This one has a little car
Say, what a lot of fish(es) there are!
This is where I will say prescriptive grammar is stupid and descriptive grammar should win all day.
Anything else feels pedantic and made up to punish those that don't learn stupid rules.
Any steps we can take to make a language more approachable for the masses should be taken, IMO
I am 100% sure at least one person who upvoted you will die on the hill of their preferred gif pronunciation
How’s your Esperanto class coming along?
Well I got Portuguese down pretty fluent and pretty mediocre (read crap) German.
I did contemplate learning Esperanto as a teen but even then, there were just far too few ppl learning it to make me want to devote the time unfortunately.
The guy that invented Esperanto was Polish... I can see why he wanted a language that wasn't batshit difficult.
I had a language teacher in high school that spoke fluent Esperanto. Whenever I think of it I’m like… why? What motivates a person to do that?
What motivates anyone to do any hobby? Your teacher probably thought it was fun / interesting. I’m sure there are things you have spent dozens or hundreds of hours doing that your teacher would think was a strange use of time
I more meant “if spending the time to learn a language why choose one that so few people use? Why not something more practical?”
I don’t know, I guess you’re right though.
In addition to people not having to do things based solely on practicality, learning the most widely spoken language isn't not automatically the most practical.
With Esperanto in particular it seems that it was intended for practical purposes so if you agreed with the idea behind it and wanted to support it then learning it is about the most practical choice you could make.
You’re making some solid points here, brb might go learn Esperanto.
I'm terrible with language so I fully support more people learning Esperanto because it's supposed to be one of the easiest languages to learn and I'd like to have a way to communicate directly with more people with less struggling to learn.
When I was a kid in the '80s, I learned Esperanto by mail. With stamps. It was fun, and had a lot of overlap with other languages I studied.
I still leave my language settings on "eo; en", for no good reason, and some sites honor it (use Esperanto, fail over to English). A prominent one is Google-Serĉo, but for them it's mostly just changing the navigation elements.
I thought Esperanto was weird until my friend (who speaks fluent Esperanto) managed to backpack from Russia to Gibraltar and then hopped down to South America using only Esperanto
Like yes there's also a big community so it wasn't like using Esperanto *in lieu* of whatever's natively spoken but that's still pretty nuts. It might not be *massively* spoken, but it's got a widespread enough community to work
It's not even about making language more approachable; it's about accurately describing/modeling reality. If you come up with a linguistic model, but then find speakers who speak in a manner which doesn't fit into that description, it's not the speakers who are wrong, but rather your model. You have direct observable evidence that your model is false so you need to amend it to account for the new data (or maybe abandon it completely if it's just way off).
Prescriptive grammar, on the other hand, is making up whatever model you please and then trying to force all the data to fit the model. That's not how science works, it's as much a pseudoscience as humors, alchemy, phrenology, etc. are in the modern era.
it's fine for a linguist to adhere to linguistic descriptivism, but telling a layperson not to prescribe the rules of language is like a scientist telling a lab rat not to affect the experiment
I am a layperson. Wouldn't telling a layperson to not tell a layperson not to prescribe the rules of language be the same?
Someone tell French.
Thanks man that's a lifesaver
The real [lifesaver ](https://imgur.com/a/Tx4v7rx)
I preferred the gummies
Só I use "sleep with the fishes" if I'm throwing someone in the ocean, but "sleep with the fish" if I'm throwing them on a fish tank (with only one species. Cool
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You can but don’t have to! Use it wisely!
I think you can also use “Fish” for the last one. Fishes just sounds weird to me.
I have the same rule for Beer. 1 beer, 2 beer, many different beers.
I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson correct Joe Rogan about this on the JRE podcast.
Is this true for UK English and American English?
Made up by America I'd say.
One fish, two fish, red and blue fishes.
This is worded a bit misleadingly, so I want to clarify:
It does not mean use “fishes” if you are referring to a group of fish that has variety, but rather, if you are specifically referring to the varieties.
Ex: I went to the pond and there were so many **fish**! Some of the **fishes** I saw were koi, salmon, and goldfish.
I think you're right.
What I'm wondering is, is there exclusivity there? Can you use "fishes" in any other context? After googling this I find that a commonly noted example of when to use "fishes" is the Godfather quote: "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes". But to be honest as I re-read that sentence, I'm not sure it should be considered correct.
edit: maybe if you really want to emphasise the individuality of each fish? Like pets? "I tried to save all the fishes from the house fire but I couldn't rescue the last two"?
Fishes has been growing in popularity as standard plural use for a long time.
I get eaten by the worms
Same with peoples
The plural of fish is feesh
Like people and peoples.
Same can be said with food. If it’s multiple different types of food, it wouldn’t be incorrect to use “foods”.
This is like people and peoples
But what about fishies?
no.. this cant be! I refuse to believe this!
Who the hell gets to decide what's a word and what's not. I'ma petitionin' for feesh.
I read long ago that such grammatical stuff is decided by people on the *Usage Panel*. I have no idea if they are elected or appointed, tho, nor even where they meet.
I was today years old when I learnt this. Unknowingly I was using it correctly the whole time though. Strange.
If you didn‘t know that, the school system failed you. And I‘m not even from a country which has english as a national language.
Or if your a cat snacks
Aussie here...one fish is called a fish, many fish are called fish. If someone looks dodge and does a rear wheel drifting monuveure, on their bike, they are called "fishy doing a fishy".
Past tense is fush
They forgot to include fosh
And english makes even less sense now
I feel like my whole world is a lie now.
Full of lies. Or even lieses. 😆
Thanks I learned something today
So mobsters have been grammatically correct whenever they sent someone to "sleep with the fishes"
If the fishes are weird, you can also refer to them as arpeggi
- One fish 🐟
- Two fish 🐠 🐠
- Red fish 🟥
- Blue fish 🟦
i luv fishies
More one species of punk fish = Sid Fishes
The english language is so poorly designed that it's a joke.
This example isn't a great one, but look at other examples:
School of fish
Flock of birds
Herd of sheep
Congress of baboons
Duck -> Ducks
Goose -> Geese
Deer -> Deer
I before E except after C
Silly rules that need to be reworked by a systems analyst.
Congress of Gorillas sound like the national parliament in my country