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Op-Ed: Collapseologists are warning humanity that business-as-usual will make the Earth uninhabitable

Op-Ed: Collapseologists are warning humanity that business-as-usual will make the Earth uninhabitable

abcde9999

Oh look. Hot takes from Jeff "renewables are worse for the environment than fossil fuels" Gibbs.


[deleted]

God Jeff gibbs is such a stain on intellectualism. ItS mAde with cOaL so its woRse for tHe enviRonMent than jUst bUrning the cOaL. When I watched that trash pile documentary I coulsnt believe anyone could be so stupid. Turns out he's not stupid he's malicious. Some of Its footage is filmed in the 00s and unpublished until now, no surprise he needed fossil fuel money to promote it. The man is pure filth. https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/04/22/new-michael-moore-film-charges-enviro-leaders-have-lost-their-way-and-sold-out-to-corporate-interests/


Belgian_jewish_studn

I bet my life savings he’s sponsored by bad faith actors like the Kochs, Russians or other fossil fuel billionaires. You know THIS shit is why anti intellectualism is so rampant. The death of expertise. People buying experts for their own agenda so people’s critical thinking skills get exhausted and they don’t know which expert to. trust


[deleted]

Frustratingly I can't even find the link but someone sent me proof of this the other day. They received money from a fossil fuel associated company for marketing, or it was marketed by a fossil fuel company. So you are absolutely right. Edit: found it https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-shift-tactics-to-inactivism/ >>another case involves Michael Moore’s recent documentary Planet of the Humans, which contains a laundry list of deceptive facts and bad arguments against renewable energy. An industry advocacy group known as the American Energy Alliance spent thousands of dollars promoting this film


Scroofinator

So now we're just making up science positions? Actually now that I think about it, Mann made up his own nobel prize so this isn't super surprising


kernals12

Business as usual means that we keep burning fossil fuels for the fun of it at ever greater amounts for the next 80 years. The rapid decline in the cost of solar power means that from a business perspective, switching to renewables would be beneficial, making that the true "business as usual" scenario. And our planet has been much hotter in the past. During the eocene thermal maximum, there were palm trees in the arctic circle. We could definitely survive a 4 degree global temperature rise. It wouldn't be pleasant, but the earth would still be habitable.


[deleted]

Holy crap dude, did you become reasonable over night?


[deleted]

No you consistently articulate about salt and snow. You rarely mention your actual opinion on how climate change will effect the world beyond those tw things.


kernals12

If you believe that, you haven't read what I post here. I posted a story a month ago about how milder winters are [good for cattle farmers](https://www.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/kbspz6/a_mild_winter_could_impact_your_grocery_bill_in_a/).


[deleted]

>>consistently ... >>story a month ago


kernals12

No, these are the views I've consistently articulated.


tegestologist

"Our planet has been hotter in the past" is such a stupid argument.


benignoak

why?


ElectroNeutrino

Because modern life evolved to live in modern climate, not the climate of the past. This goes doubly so for human civilization.


benignoak

humans evolved to live in Africa not in cold climate.


ElectroNeutrino

Human civilization has only been around for about 5,000-10,000 years. Modern humans evolved in sub-Saharan Africa about 300,000 years ago, which the subsequent warming and drying drove humans out in search of more hospitable environments. Edit: And that doesn't even touch on the fact that the majority of modern life that didn't evolve in Northern Africa.


chronicalpain

i live on top of the equator these days, so i can survive a night without artificial heating and insulation from the typically hostile environment that is the earth today. fancy that


ElectroNeutrino

Good for you.


SevereJury8

[https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35068-1](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-35068-1) ya a 4C global temperature rise is no big deal... you serious? Edit: btw the paper states that all life does extinct at 4-6C


chronicalpain

lol, earth has never seen such biomass and biodiversity as when temperature max out, we live in an anomaly cold period right now, the norm is 4 degree higher http://www.biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html


benignoak

No [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene\_Thermal\_Maximum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maximum)


SevereJury8

Completely different ecosystems and organisms today than back during the PETM. Also you have to take into account the speed and rapidity of the current mass extinction, as well as the fact that we've been actively destroying habitat. The PETM and its subsequent 5-8C heating occured over the span of 200,000+ years, not only 270 years...


benignoak

current mass extinction is caused by overpopulation not by global warming


chronicalpain

5c over the course of 200.000 years as opposed to 15c every 12 hour and 40c every 6 month in the hellish climate we live under now you mean ? the only place a human can survive a night these days without artificial heating an insulation is near the equator, let that sink in


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**[Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum)** The Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), alternatively "Eocene thermal maximum 1" (ETM1), and formerly known as the "Initial Eocene" or "Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum", was a time period with a more than 5–8 °C global average temperature rise across the event. This climate event occurred at the time boundary of the Paleocene and Eocene geological epochs. The exact age and duration of the event is uncertain but it is estimated to have occurred around 55.5 million years ago.The associated period of massive carbon release into the atmosphere has been estimated to have lasted from 20,000 to 50,000 years. The entire warm period lasted for about 200,000 years. [^(About Me)](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrn2mj/about_me/) ^- [^(Opt out)](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/jrti43/opt_out_here/) ^(- OP can reply !delete to delete) ^- [^(Article of the day)](https://np.reddit.com/comments/k9hx22) **This bot will soon be transitioning to an opt-in system. Click [here](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/ka4icp/opt_in_for_the_new_system/) to learn more and opt in. Moderators: [click here](https://np.reddit.com/user/wikipedia_text_bot/comments/ka4icp/opt_in_for_the_new_system/) to opt in a subreddit.**


chronicalpain

there was no associated period of carbon release, let alone massive http://www.biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html