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PlayoffChoker12345

Ivanov literally refused to be searched at one point so I think him cheating OTB is basically confirmed


jomm69

Or perhaps he likes to play wearing women's underwear and was too embarrassed to be found out


fanfanye

actually he just refused to take off his shoes because "his socks smells"


edderiofer

Wow, I remember that [I came up with that hypothesis at the time too](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1sj3w8/navalmoral_tournament_organizer_says_borislav/cdy64x4/)!


theLastSolipsist

Holy crap, you're an ancient redditor


TessTickols

Hmm..


theLastSolipsist

You were here when the first server went online


TessTickols

Not even close :) I actually felt like I was late to the party - it had been around for at least 3-4 years when I discovered it, and there was a lot of elitism from the older users.


lego22499

which I always thought was funny because reddit was so much more disorganized in the early days, there were a few years where people couldn't even make their own subreddits. honestly the biggest influx to reddit's popularity back then was from the digg explosion which is what I think led to the elitism. remember the "summer reddit" commentary every year? even though teens were on the website all parts of the year.


edderiofer

I was introduced via [this old video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlI022aUWQQ). Fun times.


theLastSolipsist

I just realised I'm also in the 9 year club... Oof time flies


jomm69

great minds!


GodsFavoriteKing

Funnily enough, the one who became suspicious enough playing against him to ask for him to be searched, was none other than the newly named dropped Maxim Dugly. He is Hanz' apparent Mentor, who has been caught and banned for cheating during online tournaments as well. He was thrust into the drama yesterday by Magnus after saying that he should be very proud of Hanz.


theLastSolipsist

Also Ivanov was not really a good player, he was simply cheating all the time. That's very different from Hans who is actually one of the best in the world


closed_guard

We might have a different definition of “one of the best in the world” but Hans doesn’t meet my criteria yet. There’s a massive experience, opportunity, and resource gulf between the top 10-15 players who get invited to big tournaments regularly, and those that do not. It’s not fair, but it’s not imaginary. Look no further than Alireza’s performance in the last candidate tournament to see how tough it is to break into a club of players who have all studied each other, when you haven’t had the chance to study them as thoroughly. Hans hasn’t proven he can break into the club and win at the level of a true full time chess player yet.


theLastSolipsist

>We might have a different definition of “one of the best in the world” but Hans doesn’t meet my criteria yet. He's in the top 50... What is wrong with you all? He is objectively one of the best in the world. >There’s a massive experience, opportunity, and resource gulf between the top 10-15 players who get invited to big tournaments regularly, and those that do not. Ok? >It’s not fair, but it’s not imaginary. Look no further than Alireza’s performance in the last candidate tournament to see how tough it is to break into a club of players who have all studied each other, when you haven’t had the chance to study them as thoroughly. > >Hans hasn’t proven he can break into the club and win at the level of a true full time chess player yet. LOL Just absolutely delusional, imagine trying to compare Ivanov who was at a <2000 level to Hans simply because he cheated online at some point


closed_guard

At no point did I compare Neimann to Ivanov, you heard what you wanted to hear. There are not 50 full time professional chess competitors in the world, so I don't use that as a barometer for "one of the best in the world". Right now, Hans is a promising junior, similar to the way Wei Yi was in 2017. He looks to be on the rise. Will he break through like Alireza, compete with, and win big tournaments against full time professionals? Will he stagnate for a couple years like Wei Yi has? Will he give it his all but fail to break into the full time Super GM ranks like Baadur Jobava? Too early to tell. EDIT: LMAO wow check people's comment history before you bother replying on this topic. I hope you're getting paid /u/theLastSolipsist 😂


theLastSolipsist

What you consider a "barometer for best in the world" is irrelevant. Hans is *objectively* among the best players in the world. There are hundreds of millions of chess players worldwide... He's among the top 50. Be real.


ACoolRedditHandle

Ok, Ivanov was not really a good player compared to 2600+ competitors and Hans is a very, very strong GM. Does that satisfy your pedantry?


LordWiki

This is not “oddly reminiscent” of a Hans interview in any striking way. Sounds like confirmation bias. People seriously need to just chill until some actual development comes out.


ChessHistory

I think Nepo kind of highlighted this in his video but everyone at the top level works very hard. So like Hans showing up and just saying I outwork everyone simple as that is somewhat reminiscent of Ivanov here. And I think this was especially Nepo’s point the way Hans would just make a claim of oh I’m going to cross 2600 and then he just does it with no plateau and then does the same thing for 2700. Or the comment like they just refuse to accept that I’m good. It’s just like I wonder why there were all these heightened suspicions even before the drama. Anyway obviously it’s completely circumstantial but the similarities are still striking


Upstairs_Camel_8835

Inb4 Hans' lawyers come here asking for redemption for Boris..after all, "it's just misdemeanor" and "their careers should not be destroyed"!!!


snikkerdoodles

Not at all.