Crystal structure of Bufo Alv. toxin. 5-meo-nn-dmt after drying. 1400 mag no filter..
By - Wish_Capital
Lmao at “crystal structure”
Yeah, that one pained me. If you didnt run XRD, you ain't got a crystal structure.
We need to save the toads and use synth 5meo.
[Save the toads!](https://youtu.be/qipKKBmY_LQ)
The extraction of the venom from the p. gland of the Toad is not harmful to the animal. In fact it can be beneficial by removing old stock and replacing with new..It's people that don't care that harm these animals. In fact the population of bufo alv. Is decreasing steadily while the B.Marinus is exploding and becoming invasive in Australia and Fla.etc...
However cane Toad venom, well parts of it have shown promise in targeting and killing cancer cells with no damage to healthy cells when delivered by a protein to specific parts of the body. Research is relatively new but ongoing..Who knows right? Those pesky cane toads might contribute to an age old battle to cure cancer.. Of course Big Pharma will exploit it like always.. Think I'll shut up..Don't want john wick showing up at my house..Have a nice day. MCG
Is this image actually the crystal structure of 5-MeO-DMT or is it Incilius alvarius poison which contains many other compounds alongside 5-MeO-DMT? It looks pretty dirty and irregular to be a crystal structure
No. It's not 5-MeO-DMT. It's bufotenin, 5-HO-DMT.
These are crystals under a microscope.
How do you know it’s bufotenin and not 5-MeO-DMT or a cocktail of everything that’s in the toad secretion?
Because bufotenin is what you get out of bufo toads.
5-MeO-DMT [has been isolated from](https://doi.org/10.1016/0006-2952(67)90147-5) Incilius (Bufo) alvarius, among many other alkaloids, so with bufotenin being just one of many, how do you know this is isolated bufotenin crystals?
I guess I don't. Your link is bad.
The link is a doi link and works for me:
That one does. First one didn't.
Says right there the main component is 5-HO-DMT, so it's not unreasonable to figure that's the main component of whatever is in OP's picture.
There probably IS some 5-MeO-DMT in it.
The term "crystal structure" doesnt apply if what you have is a mix of chemicals. There is a big difference between "some blobs that probably contain X" and "Crystal structure of X"
Analyzed in a legitimate laboratory or... something more home style?
^(I'm assuming it's legitimately sourced, but in case it's not, it may not be the best idea posting purified substances on the clearnet that are Schedule I, US / Schedule 9, Australia / Class A, UK.)
Man also posted his poppy fields and gave the state and city lol
Poppys aren't illegal to grow.
Still, posting poppy and another purified schedule 1 is not a good look to the DEA
No it isn't that's a fair point.
Tell that to historians running Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. The DEA destroyed the gardens and even confiscated their seeds for their recreation of Jefferson's poppy garden
Were they scoring and harvesting them? They're legal to grow, illegal to harvest sap from.
Unless this has changed in the past couple years, but I'm quite sure it hasn't. Poppy seeds aren't illegal whatsoever.
They could have fought that and won, probably just got scared because DEA is above the law.
No, they were not scoring them. It was puppy's being grown by historians for the fact Jefferson used to grow them. They had even contacted multiple agencies to find out if it was OK to be growing them and after they contacted the DEA the response was to go and pull up plants and confiscate seeds. The concept of "for onrimental purposes only" is absurdly loose and one of relatives was threatened by police because other people might use their plants.
So like I said, they could have easily fought that then. They got scared by scary G-men.
Poppies are in peoples yards... all over, in the city I live in in PA. They aren't illegal.
No. It's bufotenin. N,N-Dimethyl-5-hydroxytryptamine. There's no methoxy group at 5 on the ring, its a hydroxyl. It's 5-HO-DMT not 5-MeO-DMT.
This mistake is suuuuper common. It's not 5-meo-dmt.
EDIT: people are taking to mean it's pure bufotenin. It might be, but it's NOT pure 5-MeO-DMT from a toad. It's toad venom extract, whose **major component** is bufotenin, not 5-meo-dmt. Therefore it's safe to assume that the majority of a substance is made up of it's majority component. That's not hard.
What you’ve said is untrue. 5-MeO-DMT has been isolated from this toad, along with numerous other alkaloids.
It's absolutely true. Bufotenin is the majority component, from your own link. It's safe to assume that the majority component is.....the majority of the substance.
There probably IS some 5-MeO-DMT in there. There isn't much.
You’re trying to say you know it’s bufotenin, how? Other alkaloids exist in these toads. You’re implying and have explicitly stated in other comments there is no 5-MeO-DMT in these toads which is simply untrue. Read the paper I linked you to - they isolated 5-MeO-DMT from these toads and quantified it.
I doubt you can determine from a single reddit photo whether this is bufotenin, 5-MeO-DMT, something else, or an impure sample of many different things.
Edit: 5-MeO-DMT is 5-15% dry weight of the road secretions, which is significantly high
I agree that bufotenin (5-HO-N,N-DMT) is the most commonly known substituent alkaloid of the Bufo Alvarius (Incilius Alvarius) toad,
My response was directly to the OP's mention of **5-MeO**\-N,N-DMT, which is also [produced in by I. Alvarius](http://sedici.unlp.edu.ar/bitstream/handle/10915/88423/Documento_completo.pdf?sequence=1).
I was under the impression OP isolated the methoxylated compound from the other tryptamines.
But yes, you could be correct in that the extract shown isn't pure 5-MeO-N,N-DMT.
Replying to your edit: do you know what (if any) extraction and purification method OP used? What if they isolated and crystallised 5-MeO-DMT from the excretion?
There are countless photos of his bufo frogs in his comments, dude is home growing 5-MeO. This dude does not give a fuck.
Ok ok let me splain Lucy. You are all right.. There are many other alks and toxins in this sample..1st off a Toad didn't die to provide this. 2nd It still needs to be combusted to become 5-meo-nn-dmt. No this isn't cane Toad venom . I was bored and playing with my very cool toads Fred and Ethal last night. Apparently Fred didn't enjoy being handled and tried to kill me..SO being ME. I wanted to do an oil emersion and bypass the optical level of my omax scope but could find neither my oil or my filters.In fact even my dyes had dried up.
I think it's beautiful and interesting..You guys are brutal here! No need to argue and infight. I say just enjoy. I'm an old man and have worked with biotoxins for years. I believe them to be useful in a lot of different uses..Your all right about your opinions. Yes synthetic is less harmful to the Sanoran desert or Colorado River Toad. Funny thing is no toads have been seen in the Co. River basin for many many years.
My point is that it is an interesting and useful molecule. If your interested just look up Dr. Octavia Rettig in Mexico or just Sapo in general. The Shamen Toad venom has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years by the native peoples all over the planet... I appreciate all the positive comments and even the negative. Lots of great and brilliant minds out there. I'm super impressed by the collective knowledge of this sub. Imagine what we could accomplish if we could all get along?? We could change the world...
If anyone has any interest in biotoxins or questions about any new applications or the state of the research at this time not just in my lab but world wide DM me. I try to stay current best I can. MCG
Did you extract it yourself?
Nice try, FBI.
You got me. This time...
All I see is bacon
I thought it was bacon 🥓
Bufotenin isn't 5-Meo-DMT.
It's 5-HO-DMT. 5-meo-dmt doesn't come from toads.
Yes it does:
5-MeO-DMT is 5-15% dry weight of the toad secretions, which is significantly high
How can I get into research with psychedelic related stuff? Is it possible with my chemistry degree?
You could certainly start with that. Research on psycs falls under a huge umbrella. First of you need to find a lab thats doing that type of work and try to get in as a general chemist. Or you can go back to school and get into pharma chem. I know U of M in annarbor mi. has a program for psyc. Chem!! I have a few hookups there but DM me whereabouts you live and Ill see what I can do.. I have a large group of pros I work with like Paul Stamets the Mycologist. He came up with mushroom mycelium that could eat and digest oil poopin it out as a biodegradable non toxic byproduct they used it on the exon spill But his work with Psilocybin mushrooms is nothing short of legendary. If your truly interested you will need to do some digging around. Psyc chemists and researchers are a different breed. Its also quite regulated. My dea license for this year alone was astronomical. Bottom line is you kinda gotta know someone in the field and have a vast knowledge of Pharma chem.. Ill see what I can come up with for ya.. If thats your passion Youll get in just stay focused and dont give up.. MCG