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Baisabeast

Please just let him go on loan He needs minutes so so badly


Theoneinblu

Very risky given he'll be on the last year of contract when he returns. Ideally we should extend by a year and then loan


noobreaker

>last year of contract when he returns. Nobody will sign him anyway with his 150k wage demands. He'll be more worse off than Dembele if he tries that.


BILLY2SAM

>Ideally we should extend by a year and then loan We've got to move away from doing this. When has it ever paid off? We do this continually with Bakayoko, and all our other perennial loanees under the notion of "protecting their value". It's time to sell. The loan should have been last year. We messed up, surprise surprise.


Theoneinblu

If we're trying to see if he develops during loan, we should do it. If we're trying to sell, no point in loan, and we should move him now. There are takers in the market


Ahm_peng

Our loan system is renowned for being successful and has benefited us massively financially. The mistake with bakayako was buying him initially not the way we loaned him out. No one wanted to buy him off us plus meet the wages he got with us.


BILLY2SAM

>Our loan system is renowned for being successful and has benefited us massively financially Not this new trend of perpetually extending contracts in a desperate hope that the NEXT loan will finally be the one that maximises their value.


Ahm_peng

Other than poor signings I.e baka and Danny who shouldn’t have been at the club in the first place, where else has this happened? And CHO doesn’t fall under this category, we wouldn’t be trying to maximise his value, we would be trying to secure his future at the club.


BILLY2SAM

>Other than poor signings I.e baka and Danny who shouldn’t have been at the club in the first place, where else has this happened? Miazga, baba Rahman, and that's just off the top of my head


DrSpreadle

Neither of them cos more than 15mil. Factor in that both were brought in with the sole intention of reselling down the line.


Ahm_peng

Not a lot then? How does CHO fall under their category??


BILLY2SAM

You ask for examples, I give them, suddenly it's not enough for you. Bad faith. >How does CHO fall under their category?? I didn't say he did. I argued that we shouldn't adopt that approach with CHO. Better luck next time with your disingenuous arguments. Comprehend a person's point before you try this again.


Ahm_peng

You said we need to move away from this which clearly implies that it is a common way of practice for our loan system. You only being able to give 2 examples means it isn’t 😂. And my point was its taken out of context when applied to CHO because were not looking to increase his value to sell as we were for the 2 examples you gave lol


p-queue

It’s not new. This is how it’s always been done.


kerbyage

I agree with you on stopping doing these deals for Bakayoko and players of his ilk but CHO has a much higher ceiling if he can get fit and consistent.


Fatebringer87

Should have sold him to Bayern and never looked back.


maclovin67

Agreed we're the only club in the world who cant seem to sell a player?🤷‍♂️


ibraddadi

Extend????? Have you seen his wages compared to his performance?


KingDanIV

Sell with buyback. He needs a fresh start IMO


4dtakes

Nah Let him cook next season is his season


Aaaaand-its-gone

He got plenty of game time when he was fit tho….


KerimChelsea11

Summary: •The forthcoming pre-season was always going to be an important one for Callum. •Injury restricted the England international to making just nine appearances after the turn of the year •Chelsea are expected to complete a deal for Raheem Sterling soon and are also optimistic about buying Raphinha from Leeds. •They have also been keen on Barcelona's Ousmane Dembele, who is available as a free agent but would cost a fortune in wages. •By going after wide players, it suggests coach Thomas Tuchel is considering a change in formation — one which will better suit the 21-year-old’s style of play •The Athletic understands some major clubs, in the Premier League and abroad, are already making inquiries. •It is thought that Tuchel does rate Hudson-Odoi highly and conversations have taken place about the situation


BurningMad

If the formation is changing to accommodate actual wide wingers, then surely we're moving to 4-3-3 or some other formation without wing-backs. In which case, why aren't we being strongly linked to a DM?


KerimChelsea11

I think it's more SJ speculating, but I honestly believe we will try to go for Rice again at some point. Or we will try to get Sangare or someone when we get our other business done.


WY-8

Yep, need a top drawer defensive mid to play back 4 variants. Tuchel sure did some crazy stuff with tactics at PSG when given this option though. Constant changing of 4-3-3, 4-1-4-1, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, and back 3 variants.


TheMassacreKid

Because the market for that position is pretty barren and with Jorginho we just need a backup so he doesn't get overused again


BurningMad

Jorginho has the passing ability, no question, but he doesn't have the physicality in defence that you'd ideally like.


TheMassacreKid

Yes but he reads the game well, makes plenty of tackles+interceptions and is one of the better pressers in the league at his position


BurningMad

He does, yet Tuchel deliberately plays 3 atb to avoid giving him and Thiago too much ground to cover.


TheMassacreKid

Because the market for that position is pretty barren and with Jorginho we just need a backup so he doesn't get overused again


RefanRes

It depends what type of middle 3 we use surely. Gallager, Kova, Kante, RLC, Jorginho and Mount can all play in the 3. I'd personally like to see Azpi in CDM too as he has the qualities to move there like Phillip Lahm did later in his career.


BurningMad

Interesting idea. We'll have to see if Tuchel sees it that way.


RudiKante

Hmm optimistic about buying Raphinha, you know something Simon?


joelgm87

I so want Hudson-odoi to succeed. But at the same time we do need more reinforcement in the wings.


adityabalaraman

We should sell this guy fast.. He's not at the level needed.


sugarfather69

Agreed. I’m of the opinion that if a player demands he make starter-level money, he better be prepared to play like he deserves to start week in and week out. It’s been three seasons since he demanded starter salary and threatened to go to Bayern if he didn’t get it


ADGinger

If we did end up with Dembele and Sterling then CHO will be a v good rotation option with them in terms of style and if Dembele did get injured then would give him that opportunity to stake a place for a starting spot.


SubparCurmudgeon

That’s if he’s also not injured lol


TinNanBattlePlan

If Dembele gets injured? It would be WHEN - look at his injury record, it shouldn’t even be entertained


lrzbca

We needed to loan him out last season but we didn’t, which was a horrible decision for him and us given his contract situation. Now we can’t loan him and we can’t trust him enough either! Genius work from us.


DarkLordOlli

I disagree actually. He got good minutes in his favored position last season and was starting more and more important games, most notably the Juventus thrashing. We played some of our best football last season with him at LW. The only thing that derailed his season was injuries, again, and a loan would not have helped with that.


Sizzling-Shark

Exactly. Last season apart from his finishing issues, at times he was becoming our most important attacker. And I think if he didn't get injured, he would have been one of the first names in our team sheets for the whole season


lrzbca

CHO played 28 mins more than pervious season and was injured in last couple of months. He played 417mins in LW position till then (4.63 games). Thats like 5 games in his favourite position for 7 months of season till his injury. That’s not much compared to what he would have gained playing regular football on loan. Whole point of sending him on loan is to get him upto speed with game after his long term injury. Playing part time didn’t help his career or us.


4dtakes

Exactly respect CHO. Next season is his season man


SubparCurmudgeon

Wait what no He was getting minutes and then got injured…


SKAI-Gaming

Loan him even if it’s an option to buy. He’s on a stupid contract and he doesn’t get in the team ahead of Werner Pulisic on the left


ReflexiveOW

Lol no


CrvanProduct

If we manage to sign only one of the wingers, and sell Ziyech or Pulisic, CHO would maybe (and its a big maybe ) get some game time.


okaycan

Wish he went on loan to dortmund. Would do him a world of good experience.


taylorstillsays

Even forgetting the fact that he’s recovering from an injury where you have to re-learn yourself, it shocks me that people can be so pessimistic about a 21 year old.


62frog

The injury is a bad one but it was also like three seasons ago


taylorstillsays

He injured himself at the end of the 19-20 season, so he’s played 2 seasons since. He’s still learning them mens game whilst also re-learning his body…baffles me how fans are so ridiculous in him, and that’s without acknowledging he’s someone who’s been with us since he was 8. People want loyalty from the players whilst showing no lasting loyalty to the players at all


62frog

I couldn’t remember if that was 18/19 or 19/20. When it comes to loyalty, it’s tough to price that in because at the end of the day the loyalty usually comes down to the owners (I’m speaking across all sports here) and that amounts to absolutely shit. I’d absolutely love to be proven wrong, noted that I kinda poke fun at how everyone says “he’s only __ years old” every single year but he does still have time to turn it around. The on-field product just hasn’t lived up to the hype since he did his Achilles in.


el1teman

He was improving and getting better, his end product needs to be improved vastly, but he needs more game time to develop further or loan time People say he is injury prone but yet we are willing to sign Dembele who was in lazarette for majority of his barca time and wants biblical wages


Bozzetyp

Dembele who has had production i 3 major leagues (when healthy)


SacredBullshit

He earns 120-130k per week, Simon Johnson thinks he’s still 17. Mane was earning close that much at Liverpool, we were offering raphinha that much, maybe that’s why he didn’t join. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/22/sadio-mane-liverpool-contract-five-years


VoidPineapple

Did you actually read the article before you commented?


726wox

Don't think thats the reason. He clearly just wants to join Barcelona


Toothache79

>Mane was earning that much at Liverpool That's not true and you know it. Mane was getting around the 200k mark, he was just irritated that Salah was getting way more than him and Liverpool weren't keen on paying him that much.


SacredBullshit

Mate Salah was on 200-250k, if mane was on 200k mark he wouldn't have cried about it, holding broken iPhone. Mane was earning 150k https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/22/sadio-mane-liverpool-contract-five-years


Confident_Direction

No raphinha just wants barcelona


Balrokba

How is CHO still here? He is the worst of them all, send him out on loan!!


maclovin67

Can we be honest? Fair to say he's not gonna be a world star for us that was obvious to most couple seasons ago? Honest lad but not top 4 stuff, and too much at stake to let sentiment get in the way I'm afraid.


sugarfather69

He makes about as much as Reece and Mason combined, last I read, and has been on that wage for three years with what to show for it? Might be a solid player one day, not sure we need to keep making excuses for him considering he wanted the starter money but didn’t play well enough to consistently start over the last three years


gunjagunn

Callum Hudson odoi is not good enough for Chelsea and will never be. His end product in front of goal is abysmal and there is nothing to suggest this will improve, he will never be a world class winger and needs to be sold to get his enormous salary of the books. Nows the time whilst he still has resell value


sugarfather69

Well said, people don’t want to admit it but he’s just simply not earning the money he’s getting paid by Chelsea for the last three seasons. Blame it on the Achilles injury or whatever you want, he’s simply not been good enough for the salary he demanded to leave for Bayern for unless he was paid.


KarmaGoblin

To suggest a 21 Year old can't improve on his end product is ludicrous


gunjagunn

The opportunities he misses in front of goal are the only things that are ludicrous. 15 30 21 his finishing is appaling he's never going to be a top player anyone that watches Chelsea week in week out would know that


Dinamo8

Easier said than done. Who's going to offer us a satisfactory transfer fee and will be able to match his wages?


don-m

People say that and then ask for dembele whos terrible at finishing Appreciate callum for what he is, a creative winger


gunjagunn

4 goals 10 assists in 60 premier league appearances in the last 3 seasons he averages a contribution about every 4.5 games. This is precisely why our attacking output is subpar cause we have players like Calum in our ranks. Would he even be in city or Liverpools squad of course not. That's who we are aiming to overtake the other players we have aren't much better but he is without a doubt the least effective.


ANewUeleseOnLife

You're assuming all those appearances were starting which I'm certain was not the case


gunjagunn

Where's the assumption that he was starting in that comment, whether they're starts or not it's not good enough


ANewUeleseOnLife

You've done 60/14 to get your 4.5 games figure. Across those 3 seasons he's played 2867 minutes, or 31.9 full games. So he's averaging a goal or assist every 2.9 games (he's actually got 4 goals and 11 assists per transfermarkt)


gunjagunn

2.9 games per goal or assist that's gotta be in the bottom 25% in the league, if you actually watched us week in week out and analysed his game you wouldn't be contesting any point saying he's not good enough for Chelsea


ANewUeleseOnLife

I watch every game. You're literally just making up that 25% stat...


don-m

There is so much relevant context youre neglecting. Instead you pulled out two numbers, and funnily enough callum always ranks highest in other creative metrics. I dont have the time to break down all the relevant context, but also because its in plain sight and you chose to ignore it.


VoidPineapple

Just don't bother man, it's not that important to try and change one person's mind.


gunjagunn

The only relevant context is output beyond that everything else is pretty much irrelevant especially when you have goal and assists contributions of a player that would play in a bottom 5 premier league club as a winger. When youre chasing this Liverpool and city team your time is finished at the club if your contribution looks like this.


TA125934

What a sad way to look at football


sugarfather69

I don’t appreciate that Callum is on starter wages he demanded and makes more than Reece and Mason yet those two clearly do more for this club than Callum does.


don-m

Cant fault him for having a good agent. Id want to make as much money as possible as well.


sugarfather69

I mean sure, it’s fair to make as much money as you can. Problem is, he demanded starter wages three seasons ago and his agent brother threatened he’d leave for Bayern on a free transfer if he didn’t get that high salary. Call me crazy but I believe it’s right that in any business, if you demand a higher salary you better be prepared to perform at a higher level. Three seasons have gone by, he’s one of the higher paid players on the team, and what does he have to show for it? Being creative? How creative? Is he a vital player? How effective is he for this team? He’s on starter money is he playing like he deserves to start week in and week out?


LittiJari

I remember people saying this about Salah.


i_cum_in_piss

Should have bitten Bayern's hand off when they offered 35m Overrated player


gunjagunn

100% facts I will say though prior to his injury he had greater promise but he's always had awful finishing


Soitsgonnabeforever

He is similar to pulisic. He can run and create chances. If the same player is elsehwere chelsea would suddenly offer 70 million


gunjagunn

Pulisic is a better finisher and that's saying something


MrBravo22

He lacks where he’s needed most, in box. His finishing is an open book. He needs that loan move instead of not inconsistent appearance every now and again in a Chelsea shirt.


ScorpiaHP

It's a good sign for the team, which is what ultimately matters. Hudson-Odoi has had enough time to prove that he can be a starter for us, and very evidently he is not of the level required. So either he's content competing and rotating with others (will play a lot still if we sell Ziyech and Werner as we're reportedly looking to), or he moves elsewhere to play regularly and try to live up to his potential. It's also going to be a pretty important season for him. Because as it stands there is no way we should renew him at his current wages, and with 2 years left on his contract we will need to sell by next summer at the latest. Hopefully there's a club option to trigger an extra year because that'll help us evaluate him a bit more patiently and negotiate with him/other clubs next year.


gunjagunn

Couldn't agree more on what occasion has he ever proven post injury he is good enough for Chelsea cause I cant name a single instance.


Pszemeg

He was injured most of the time, what the hell are you talking about with all that had enough time to prove himself.


RatioAccording592

Honestly people here just sound like they don’t actually watch games last season apart from his end product he was probs one of our most important attackers and if it wasn’t for his injury he defo would have been one of first name on the team sheet. It’s also clear tuchel likes him a lot and fgs the guy is 21 some people here are so negative


ScorpiaHP

>if it wasn’t for his injury he defo would have been one of first name on the team sheet Ironically, if you really believe that then you're the one who doesn't watch games. Because he was dropped from the starting lineup well prior to his injury.


RatioAccording592

He was not dropped Tuchel was rotating the squad what are you on about🤣🤣


ScorpiaHP

After we played Palmeiras in which he featured, we played Palace, Lille and Liverpool. He started on the bench for all 3 with Pulisic starting ahead of him in all. He then started the next game vs Luton due to wholesale rotation, after which he got injured. Fairly easy to figure out from that that not only was he NOT one of the first names on the teamsheet, he wasn't even in the starting lineup for a few games.


VoidPineapple

I'm pretty he'd started a fair number of games up to that point. After the turn of the year he didn't feature much due to injury but he start 9 out of 11 games on one of our best runs of form last year. People should understand by now that as soon as things start going awry it's easier to drop the young academy kid than a 50m+ signing. At that stage Werner wasn't seeing a lot of gametime, neither was Pulisic. It was rotation and CHO was the one that took a hit. He had a few games where he fell off a bit sure but I don't think it's fair to say he got dropped just purely off of form. If you bring that argument for other attackers in the squad you'll notice a disparity.


ScorpiaHP

Nah, it really isn't that deep. CHO actually got more consistent gametime in his "preferred position" than the others, Tuchel has rotated Werner/Pulisic out a lot - Werner was a 50m+ signing and was always in and out of the team last season. He absolutely got dropped on form. Pulisic started playing well after the club world cup which is why he took CHO's spot, and Werner a bit later which is why he took Pulisic's spot.


VoidPineapple

>Pulisic started playing well after the club world cup which is why he took CHO's spot, I like Pulisic but this just ain't true. CWC was in Feb and he registered his next goal contributions in march. a goal and assist against Burnley. He managed 3 more goal contributions in the league until the end of the season. Nothing in the FA Cup and Carabao Cup but he did score against Lille twice in the UCL. That's nothing spectacular but CHO got injured March and Pulisic started seeing even more game time after that and that's when he started picking up form. It wasn't cuz he was playing better in that time, it's cuz he hadn't had a solid run of games up top until then.


ScorpiaHP

Pulisic scored in the Lille win in February though? I recall CHO really tapering off until then and Pulisic looking lively which is why Tuchel gave him a run of games.


sugarfather69

>People should understand by now that as soon as things start going awry it's easier to drop the young academy kid than a 50m+ signing. What if said academy kid makes more than half of our starters?


VoidPineapple

He doesn't :)


sugarfather69

[lmao are you sure about that?](https://www.spotrac.com/epl/chelsea-fc/payroll/) He’s been on starter wages for three seasons since he threatened to leave on a free for Bayern. He’s not good enough for the money he makes, get over it [He earned more per week than Jorginho, Silva, Alonso, Mount, James, Mendy, Ziyech, RLC, and Christensen last season.](https://www.givemesport.com/87979798-lukaku-kepa-kante-chelsea-players-wages-as-roman-abramovich-prepares-to-sell-the-club)


ScorpiaHP

Mate he's been available for selection enough over the last 3 seasons to show that he's worthy of being a starter for us but that hasn't happened. He had a run of starts on the left wing last season during which he had some good games and some extremely mediocre/poor ones, and then he was dropped for Pulisic and Werner. Before he got injured. Which is another reason to consider that we can't rely on him, as opposed to someone like Sterling who is a much better player in every single facet and is incredibly fit. Let's stop making excuses for him. He may be good enough to be in the squad and compete with others, but there is no way he looks even remotely ready to be a regular starter for us.


Pszemeg

I just don't agree, he wasn't dropped before injury, last time he was playing was Club World Cup final and he got injury around then. Sterling is selfish, doesn't have CHO's vision and is much older. Mark my words, Sterling will turn our to be shite for us, just like Werner and Willian (it's my opinion, some may say William was brilliant).


ScorpiaHP

>he got injury around then He got injured 4 games after that. 3 of which he started on the bench for with Pulisic taking his spot, and the one he started being a fixture vs Luton Town in the FA Cup. I can confidently say that Sterling is a significantly better player than CHO. Not sure what you're on about CHO's "vision" either.


Pszemeg

Long range pass, which is something I haven't seen from Sterling. So yeah, he was benched for 3 games after long run, seems like his spot was definitely taken away from him.


Savings-Stop-1556

People seem to forget how good he was before the achilles injury.


odewar37

He’s been in the first team squad for FOUR seasons. This not enough time argument is so nonsensical I can’t even believe it’s still being said unironically.


Pszemeg

Very young under Sarri, once he gained his trust he was brilliant and 1st choice. One whole year recovering from injury. Then trying to get fit after serious injury. Last season played much, but still injuries. Beside, he has the highest celling from all of our attackers anyway.


Master-Level1729

1 League Goal per Season


Balrokba

This sub thinks he is Messi and Ronaldo combined into one ffs


62frog

They’ll be saying “he’s only __ years old, next season is crucial for him” until he’s 40 years old.


Balrokba

Yeah he just ain’t it. Either physically or mentally, he just ain’t it.


62frog

He’s not terrible. A talented athlete and for all intents and purposes seems to be a hard worker which shouldn’t be overlooked. But this whole narrative of “next year he’s going to shock the world” is based on nothing but hopium. When you think back to last year he had what, one or two really great crosses? He’s probably an above-average cup player and a decent substitute but thinking his performances deserve consistent starts and minutes isn’t based in reality.


Balrokba

In my opinion, he has done absolutely nothing to be even considered as a squad player next season. He should have been loaned out if we are serious about his development. You can tell Conor, Colwill will seamlessly fit into the team and Broja will have his moments if he is given time but CHO even before last season I was calling for his head


kbrunner69

We can’t wait for him forever.


sugarfather69

Literally three seasons since the “Bayern or Pay Me” debacle with his agent brother. Can’t believe some people are still this patient with him


Fatmanp

The transfer targets suggest Tuchel is looking to build a squad for 433 that can if needed play 343 which I like.


dbrasco_

I’m going to duck the tomatoes that are coming my way, but this would be good for Pulisic too (assuming he stays). He’s way better out wide in my opinion.


Groundbreaking-Rub50

The composition is not right due to Thiago's age I doubt you can ask him to slog it out for 45- 50 odd matches like we did last year. As such we need 2 solid CB's to be part of the setup and need probably 2 more CB's . I believe Ethan and Chalobah to be solid enough to be backup's while Levi at least need one more year in PL. I hope Raphinha moving to Barca allows CHO to be given chance this year.


arizonasportspain

I understand the point of view that these additions show that a change in formation is imminent, and that improves how CHO plays when he gets on the pitch. However, that will be the problem with CHO- he won't play enough for him to make a big impact.


[deleted]

It would be a good sign for him because that would mean that Tuchel would like to stick to play with wingers.


WY-8

Might as well keep him in the team on rotation. With 5 subs we still need impact players, especially if Werner and/or Pulisic goes. Can also cover RWB in a back 3, and either wing in other formations.


Toothache79

If CHO can stay fit, the club shouldn't be looking at Dembele. If we're looking for cheap RWB cover, we should just pay Wolves for the tank. Just have him & Reece run over the top of the opposition.


Daddy-Wan-Kenobi-

It’s a 5 sub season. Squad depth has never been more important, he definitely has a place in the squad so versatile on the right hand side, is even say we need to keep him particularly if they are looking to let Werner and Pulisic go


whitestethoscope

Can’t wait to refer back to this post when he rocks the league like salah and kdb. 🤣


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