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LucidFir

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De-amped link. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessness Why? Well, I'm a human, but here's why a bot exists for it. https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ehrq3z/why_did_i_build_amputatorbot/


LucidFir

Good human. I tried copying the link from a few places (address bar, share) and only got the amp link.


NYR525

Policies based in science, compassion, and respect...I wish we had more of that in the world


ThankYouTaceGod

I genuinely don’t think that’s realistic in a country the size of the US.


NYR525

That's just the thing: I think it would if we stopped legislating for everyone thinking that they'll be a billionaire one day. If the working class (which is almost everyone...literally anyone earning under like $250k/yr, maybe more) actually voted in their best interest we'd have more than enough tax money to do so many things. But a lot of those people are concerned that they'll pay more in taxes one day, even if it's a billionaires tax. People are mental, and it hurts everyone


kilranian

The physical size and the population have no bearing on the effectiveness of such a program. It scales.


ThankYouTaceGod

I’d argue that universal healthcare & college for all should be higher on our priority list than somehow housing all of the homeless


kilranian

Oooh maybe we could do *all* of those things instead of using universal healthcare and college for all to deflect from helping the homeless.


ThankYouTaceGod

Idk where you live, but I live in Los Angeles. My state has the largest homeless population in the country, and my city is only behind NYC for population. Coincidentally, we also have more resources & leniency towards the homeless. Do you think it’s a coincidence that the city that gives most to the homeless ALSO has the worst issues with the homeless?


kilranian

"Do you think it’s a coincidence that the city that gives most to the homeless ALSO has the worst issues with the homeless?" Yes. You are ignoring every other factor that goes into LA's homeless problem. Helping the homeless does not make the "problem of the homeless" worse. It's asinine when we know that giving homeless people homes fixes all of those issues.


ThankYouTaceGod

I don’t believe giving homeless people homes fixes all issues. It brings crime & lowers property value in the areas that you relocate them. They’re offered every resource possible here. At a certain point we need to accept that there are people that are ok with getting by on the bare minimum and not enable them. If you make it easy for people to be homeless & not a productive member of society, they will surely accept your offer.


kilranian

That's some poor hating nonsense.


goddamnitwhalen

You literally sound like a caricature


potsandpans

holy shit we can reduce homelessness by giving people homes??? who would have thought?????


LucidFir

Not sure if you're for or against the idea of using taxes to house the homeless... But generally speaking it works out more cost effective than leaving them on the street. I think in Finland the result of this measure is that 80% have jobs within 2 years. Obviously it also prevents the huge economic losses associated with crime and devalued property from tent cities. I think it's true with most social policy. You can take an individualistic approach of fuck you I got mine, that costs everyone more and leaves many in terrible situations... Or everyone can have a higher quality of life for less money, if they can just stop calling it communism.


Culture_Creative

This is one of those rare things that make me believe that some humans still do have a heart.


AAALE6408

I swear, the more I learn about Finland the better it sounds


NebuliseMyFart

It turns out that what homeless people need is homes? Amazing. These retards aren't helping the homeless at all, they're just covering up some spikes. As someone who has been homeless shit like this always pisses me off. They're typical "activists", only really doing things that make themselves feel better but not actually addressing the problem. This is fixing the symptom of an issue, not fixing the problem. The problem is that people need more support generally and our society has to be less cruel and heartless when it comes to people who are struggling, there also needs to be more housing for people who are struggling because most "affordable" housing is only for the middle-class or people who might as well be middle-class because they've gotten to a point where they won't ever struggle in life again. I can't imagine a worse city in the world to be homeless than bloody London. It's a shithole even with money.


SAMAS_zero

It is kinda selfish, but Hostile Architecture hurts everyone, even if it is targeted at one group. These guys don't look like they can afford to build houses, though. If all they can afford to contribute is a bucket of cement, then let's thank them for that bucket, not lament the fact that they're not a construction crew.


Kyonkanno

Yeah, cuz helping homeless people by covering spikes so they can sleep on the street is such a good deed.


ThankYouTaceGod

As someone who live somewhere with a huge homeless population. Inviting homeless people to set up shop wherever they want goes bad very quickly. I’m convinced most people commenting don’t actually live & experience places that have a big homeless Problem


Kyonkanno

Here's a great idea, if they're so worried about the homeless, instead of virtue signaling by giving them an empty spot they can lay on, why not give them some shelter? Oh cuz that wouldn't get as many clicks? Silly me!


ThankYouTaceGod

Where do you expect this shelter to come from? This is a genuine question.


Kyonkanno

From the people who "care about the homeless" by covering spiky surfaces?


ThankYouTaceGod

I personally don’t have a problem with building owners making their surfaces uncomfortable to sleep on. No different than putting barriers on ledges to deter skateboarding. It hurts their investment to have people sleeping in front of it. Where do you live?


Kyonkanno

I live in Panama. I'm being sarcastic btw, I actually agree with you. My issue is with people doing this kind of shit and then claim they care about the homeless.


Zolotoy_I

Come on, boys, we can do better. Start a GoFundMe so they can buy those industrial rubber sheets to put there instead Would be funny as hell if they just put a mattress on top of the concrete, though it'd get soaked if it rained and wouldn't be very useful


HylianSwordsman1

That's not vandalism, that's renovation. The anti homeless spikes were the vandalism of a public space.


Imanaco

Isn’t that private property?


HylianSwordsman1

Perhaps, but it's a public space. For example, a shopping mall can be 100% privately owned, but it's still a public space. It's a concept within social philosophy and urban design.


Imanaco

So they could just move the glass all the way to the edge and no one can sit on it then and that’s ok though right?


HylianSwordsman1

Personally, that seems fine to me.


fifadex

So it's meaningless. This is a privately owned property and that is vandalism. So the owner of the business has to suffer because these idealistic pricks decided it.


HylianSwordsman1

Exactly, chaotic good. Fuck that business owner.


goddamnitwhalen

But but but won’t somebody think of the poor biwionaires?


SpookySoulGeek

true


DocsHandkerchief

Plot twist: they’re just skateboarders


NYR525

Honestly, a plot I'm still cool with


Laminnanne

Huh, an order of cement suddenly appeared in my shopping cart. Guess I'll take a stroll around the city and see if I need to press "buy"on that bad boy.


rockstar504

Should've removed em with a hammer and chisel, or better yet battery powered tools. Would've prob been cheaper, removed the problem, and faster. Hearts in the right place though I guess.


Midgreezy

yoooo


Fortysevens11

geez whitepeopletwitter is such a shitty subreddit. it's either stuff like this that has nothing to do with whiteness but is absolutely feel-good upvote bait, or someone espousing political views that reddit agrees with good post here tho


NYR525

That's what I try to do: find posts that better belong in other, usually more niche, subreddits and get them to where they belong. Organizing the chaos of Reddit in my small way


Fortysevens11

a noble calling


fryether

without a form to retain the concrete I don't think this'll work.


FikaMedHasse

Except you can clearly see the form in the picture.


fryether

Where do you “clearly see” a form? There’s a piece of wood that looks like it’s used for a form on bottom but unless it’s at the height of the spikes it’s useless. Even if they hold it up to the spikes by hand unless there’s some 5 minute setting concrete I don’t know of it’s again kinda useless.


IIFacelessManII

Yeah, I aint seeing anything. Too many pixels.


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Laminnanne

So the government can systemically discriminate against the homeless by taking away the few places they can rest, but activists can only respond as individuals? That seems crooked. Taking in one homeless person helps on homeless person. Repairing an anti-homelessness bench helps every single person who otherwise wouldn't be able to sleep there.


fifadex

>So the government can systemically discriminate against the homeless by taking away the few places they can rest >Repairing an anti-homelessness bench It's not a bench and it's not the government, it's private property, a shopfront that represents somones living who doesn't want their business effected by homeless people sitting on their shop front all day losing them business and also probably doesn't want to have to clean the shop front every morning if homeless people are sleeping on it.


Laminnanne

The government does this too, but fine, let me amend my statement. Why the hell should I care more about a business owner having to wake up homeless people before opening hours than about those homeless people not being able to find a place to sleep and being put into an even worse, even less safe situation? I get that you don't want homeless people there while your store is open, but you're a lot better off than them as a business owner, you could put in a little more effort than this.


fifadex

>you could put in a little more effort than this. You don't know that they didn't, you don't know that they didn't start by trying to help and be nice if only they would treat the property with respect. You don't know that they didn't just get tired of their shop stinking of urine and vomit and having to bleach it every day and finally did this. You know nothing, just just make blanket statements about how it should be better but don't do a thing about it. Just sit there condemning business owners who are trying to make a living.


Laminnanne

> Don't do a thing about it That's what the people in this post are doing. I agree, that's great. Your shop doesn't stink of vomit and urine because a homeless person slept on a bench. It stinks of vomit and urine because drunk assholes don't give a shit. This isn't an effective deterrent to a dirty environment, it's just a way to keep homeless people away.


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Laminnanne

... Touché Same logic counts, but that was definitely a big dumb on my part lol


usedslinky

Exactly


Ace_Marine

I wish the problem of homelessness didn't exist. We're smart and motivated enough to do something about it but no one cares for individuals who do little to contribute to the society they syphon off of. I wish homeless people wanted to reintegrate into society.


elementgermanium

Fuck off. People are entitled to basic housing and just because they don’t sell their labor doesn’t mean they should be treated differently


Ace_Marine

I'm saying that some of them are so disenfranchised as a human being already, they don't even want to reintegrate into society :(. Sorry I'm not saying they don't deserve it, I'm saying that even if it was offered, some of them would say no. The problem is way worse then you're imagining.


empyreanmax

> I'm saying that even if it was offered, some of them would say no A lot of times when people claim this, they're referring to housing initiatives with insane regulations like no drugs or pets which a lot of homeless people obviously aren't going to jump at if it would entail trying to quit a drug addiction cold turkey or abandon their dog.


Jibaru

No drugs is an insane regulation or pets? wtf? The pretty basic.


PurpleSwitch

Substance use problems are difficult to conquer, especially when struggling with homelessness and other life adversity. Programs to help people overcome these problems are chronically underfunded and many who desperate want and need help to stop using drugs don't get that help. Housing that forbid drug use rarely come with a support package to actually make it feasible for someone with a drug use problem to accept this offer of housing, even though having secure and safe housing is a key component of the recovery of most people with substance use problems. And in terms of pets, we're not talking about someone who is wanting to adopt a new puppy or a kitten in their new home, where having a pet is a luxury. In practice, we're talking about people being asked to give up their pet of many years who may have been their only companion and comfort whilst struggling with homelessness.


empyreanmax

Yes, it is completely backwards to ask someone to quit drugs cold turkey before they can have shelter. A stable home should be the *first* step that acts as a basis for turning the other aspects of their life around, like getting help with their addiction or being able to look for a job while they have somewhere to sleep and shower. And it's extra cruel to gate that behind something like asking the homeless person to abandon their likely one and only companion that they care about.


Ace_Marine

Yes that's true but those rules aren't necessarily for the individuals joining those programs but to protect other initiates from problems those entities introduce. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable request on behalf of the people who actually ARE trying to turn their life around. You really want drugs around a person who is actually trying to get clean? You want animals around people who are emotionally unstable? You want a homeless man's dog shot in a homeless shelter by police because it protected it's owner when a meth-head came at him with a pencil? I'm not saying it happens every day. I'm not saying it's reason to stop trying all together. I am saying that some people who don't want to put in the effort to try and reintegrate into our society, do not deserve to be apart of it and should not be forced to. You will never eradicate homelessness completely. I will say that again. YOU WILL NEVER ERADICATE HOMLESSNESS COMPLETELY. The reason you won't eliminate it is because homelessness is the true natural state of humanity. We're the weird one's by creating something and contributing to something greater than our tribal brains are capable of comprehending. Homeless people aren't doing anything wrong and should not be forced into a system that they feel doesn't benefit them. Maybe if the system benefited them to a level they felt satisfactory, things would be different. That's not the case though.


empyreanmax

This only makes sense if your intent with the program is only to help those who are themselves the best off among the homeless and are the easiest to help, which is obviously not tackling the core of the problem. You are engaging in a weird appeal to nature to justify ignoring the more difficult cases, but a modern house being a synthetic construction doesn't change the fact that one of our most basic needs for survival is shelter, and we have ample power to grant people access to it if we decided we wanted to.


Ace_Marine

The concept you are failing to grasp is that while you may very well want to provide aid and assistance to them, they do not want your help. I'm saying that we should help the people who ask for it and not provide something of no use to someone who never wanted it in the fist place. Not everyone wants the life you have and we should respect the journeys of others.


empyreanmax

I'm grasping it, I just don't trust your evaluation of who that might be or the idea that it shouldn't be offered because some people hypothetically might not want it. "Well they didn't ask" is rarely an acceptable excuse for not trying to help someone in need.


Ace_Marine

I think that is essential to the human experience. Knowing when to ask for help is a primal instinct. Babies cry. People scream. I think that should be a requirement. You have to want the help. You have to make that choice to reach out. "We" (I use that term to indicate our presumed sheltered situation) need to be really easy to reach out to. To answer that call for help. That takes a lot of money, resources, and dedicated people to make that happen. It's hard work. It's a lot of hard work. I wish this is where religions would step in and use their money, resources, and generosity to aid those in need but that hasn't been the case lately. So it's going to take a literal act of congress to create the changes you want. If you haven't noticed over the last 4 years, half the country is retarded. So good luck with that.


Blazedatpussy

It should still be offered though. Bringing up the fact that some people want to hermit in a cave or whatever is a bit of a distraction from the conversation. Trust me, if you go and talk to homeless people, it will be difficult to find anyone who says ‘this is my choice I actually don’t like shelter and showers and food and privacy’


CratesManager

You will, however, find quite a few who don't want to or can't follow rules associated with these things. I'm not saying the current offers are perfect, far from it, and we could help many people if, for example, we had better ways to deal with drug abuse than "don't use drugs lol k". But there is definitely a subset of people that choose homelessness, not for the homelessness itself but for the freedom assocjated with it. I'm not disagreeing with you by the way, i think you worded it perfectly - it should be *offered*. The hard part imo is maintaining a base set of rules that ensure the offer can remain for those that wish to take it (e.g. if you repeatedly destroy the place some sort of measures will be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again) without treating people like subhumans.


Ace_Marine

Hey go nuts. Housing is always beneficial. I'm not saying to stamp out any programs or benefits to the homeless. Outreach efforts are always a good effort. I'm just saying try not to be too disappointed when the guy who feels comfortable with dried vomit on their shirt and can literally not process your verbal conveyance is uninterested in your version of "society." Imagine always loosing. Just imagine that for a minute. To always forever put in the effort and try as hard as you can and lose. Imagine that happening over and over and over again. Now imagine how long you would put up with that before you stop trying. Some people stop trying... :(


Blazedatpussy

Well, like I said, some people may choose to stay without a home and without participating in the sale of their labor to corporations. That’s fine, as long as it’s their choice to do so. I guess it’s a good time to mention that in my ‘version’ of society, there’s many programs in place to make this type of unhoused person you’re describing less likely to exist in the first place. It’s less about ‘always losing’ and more about making sure they have a fighting chance to begin with.


Ace_Marine

Then march on down to skid row and do something about it. It's not as easy as you make it sound. Who's going to do these outreach programs? I hope it's you. You seem to genuinely care.


Blazedatpussy

No, not an ‘outreach’ program. A complete undoing of the immoral ‘housing market’ in which homes are simply taken from land lords and mass property owners and given back to the people. It’s not something ‘one man’ can do, it takes a society because that society is what created the problem to begin with. I inherited this bull shit along with the rest of the young people like me. I didn’t make any of this. But there’s an easy fix. Turn an abusive and immoral market into a social program to give people the dignity they are entitled to under the constitution. It doesn’t even end there. But that’s the unhoused solution. Remove a market, solve a problem.


Ace_Marine

Be the change you want in the world. I'll go ahead and sign your petition or whatever minimalist virtue-signaling garbage you produce if you ever get around to it but I doubt you'll even achieve that. Even if you were an actively sitting Senator I doubt you would be able to accomplish much. If you ARE a Senator, WTF?! You suck at your job. I'm serious though that if you actually find a reasonable solution to the problem and have a proper plan, I'll support it. I might even help fund it.


Blazedatpussy

Alright, since people love to throw the burden of solving these types of issues on the few people who ‘seem to care’, if/when I run for office or something I’ll send you a direct message about it! Until then, can I at least be allowed to openly discuss how I think people being unhoused is kinda bad without being told that it’s completely and wholly my problem to solve?


SunflowerOccultist

You started off well but it all went wrong so fast


Ace_Marine

Spoken like someone who has never been to a homeless encampment.


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LucidFir

We would rather the homelessness was solved at the root, rather than by punishing those who are already suffering. It's purely greed that prevents this.


AdventurousChapter27

People think that having homeless people outside your business it's good and more people it's going shop from you


usedslinky

There’s a homeless guy that sometimes sleeps outside my restaurant and harasses my guests for money when they’re waking in. Two weeks ago, I had to call security because he was taking a shit in the bushes next to a windowed table with two children sitting at it.


Sudzy

Cool story, bro.


Fortysevens11

what was the point of this comment


Sonic_Is_Real

Being homeless doesnt give you the right to use peoples property however you like. Would you be ok with me camping on your front lawn?


blarghenwarbles

Probably not, but would I put down spikes to stop you? No lol. I'd help you find somewhere better to sleep


AdventurousChapter27

Vandalism for humanity= "I don't live near homeless people and only saw then in tv, spikes are so unfair to the good junkies who just want to smoke crack and shit outside the windows"


NYR525

What's with all you fuckers assuming I've never lived in a city near homeless people? Is the idea of compassion for these people so fucking foreign to you that the only way you can explain it is that I've spent my life sheltered away in a suburban bubble?? I lived in West Philly for most of my 20s and still have a fucking heart for my fellow man. You should grow one


AdventurousChapter27

So you have never been around homeless


NYR525

You ever been to West Philly? I'd guess not if you're saying there's no homeless there...


AdventurousChapter27

I'm saying that if your in west Philly and you don't see reality about homeless people means you don't interact with them dayly


NYR525

Except I did interact with them almost daily, anytime I left my house. They were literally on my block. The reality I see is informed by my conversations with them and my training as a psychologist


Specia10ccasion

Lmao how could you grow up in West Philly and feel any remorse. 3 weeks amongst the tamest junkies in Canada showed me that these homeless spikes are a civil service and a public good.


NYR525

Because I recognize both that addiction disorders are diseases and that we, as a society, have instead treated them as personal, professional, and legal failings. Of course a few generations of that will create horrid conditions and awful behaviors as a result. If we treated these people with science based treatments and, most importantly, respect, a lot of those negative behaviors would go away.


AdventurousChapter27

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NYR525

Doesn't fit: nothing I said assumed the fix to be easy or quick. But nice try, you should continue work on your douchebaggery...you have natural talent but could use some refinement


AdventurousChapter27

What do you with people who won't recover that if you put it in a home o enclosed space it's still going to be a danger from him and others?


NYR525

A quick proof read will prevent embarrassing ***almost*** sentences like that one... Are you asking what I would suggest we do with people who need more support than housing? I recommend social services: case managers who can help them through rehab and reintegration, halfway houses, finding a job, those kinds of things. Addiction itself is not a police problem...extensions of it become legal issues, but this is a problem of health, society, and psychology.


AdventurousChapter27

Your saying it's a social problem? Then why are you against people put in spikes in their prívate property?


NYR525

That's like asking if, just because a cut is an "open wound" problem, why not just open the wound more? The societal issues are deep and include things like inequality causing poverty, then the stigmatization of the poor, institutional policies (both private and public) that result in keeping the poor impoverished, and a lot more. There's multiple lifetimes worth of sociological study into poverty. And that's without introducing the escapism and availability of drugs, the examples set in the community, the dependence of substance abuse disorders, and all the other myriad issues around addiction. Edit to add: one piece of the societal issues is the stigmatization of the poor which manifests itself in many ways, one of which is aggression towards homeless people. I don't support adding spikes to private property because it's an example of aggression towards the poor.


AdventurousChapter27

The proof they are not getting help it's the camps of homeless people. You can check in any shelter that they don't have the people or money to help the homeless but the government in every country doesn't have the money to do so. The Truth it's people work long hours and get a low pay for also help the homeless. Life hard for them but it's already hard for everyone and that you have 3 jobs to still be broken just to have a roof it's not going to let you help other Wich is the most.


NYR525

Then the answer is to take money from those who hoard it like greedy dragons and invest it in communities. These billionaires benefit greatly from services paid for by taxes and would benefit from further services, so make them pay their fair share and the store of money for solutions goes up...


WintertimeFriends

I live in a city. I dodge drug addicts every day. You have no idea. The spikes are there because junkies were sleeping there. This is bullshit.


Chase-D-DC

I live in a city too I dodge drug addicts too. That doesn’t mean I think they shouldn’t be helped or have a place to sleep


WintertimeFriends

They have both of those things in shelters.


kilranian

Someone has never been in a homeless shelter...


NYR525

Well that's a lot of assumptions and cruelty in a few words...like you're the ***only person on this site*** to have lived in a city... Dude I spent years in West Philly, I know what it's like to be hit up by homeless people, some suffering from various addictions but not all. Shit's a fucking disease! People need to be held accountable for their actions, but that accounting should include a fucking place to sleep and healthcare. Be a human, for fucks sake!


Foxxy8862

For real. People think because some homeless people have very far rooted problem with addiction, mental illness, etc. That they don't deserve a safe place to stay, 3 meals a day, and hygienical amenities. Honestly disgusting to think that people like that could be my damn neighbors.


AdventurousChapter27

You don't know shit about homeless people


Foxxy8862

because I believe they deserve the same rights, and privileges we have?


AdventurousChapter27

You know that to you have rights and privilege you have to complied with the obligations?


Fortysevens11

people are seeing things in such a binary way in this thread homeless people deserve basic human rights - i dunno how you gathered anything contrary from op - but there are plenty of valid reasons to not want them to be able to sleep in certain places. homelessness is a deeper problem than placing down spikes can fix, obviously, but they do serve a function that benefits a good deal of people to me, preventing homeless people from sleeping in storefronts is warranted, but stuff like putting spikes under bridges and shit is pretty much inexcusable


LucidFir

The solution shouldn't be literal spikes. There are much better ways to fix homelessness.


AdventurousChapter27

The solution it's not let people sleep and do drugs anywhere, it's not about just let them rest. People who never lived around homeless people can't understand what is really all about.


LucidFir

I bet you think the solution to overpopulation is sterilisation... When we know you just have to get the literacy rate up.


AdventurousChapter27

I think we should know some people are beyond living in society most of the homeless are people that you could give everything and still gonna end up in the streets because they can't live in society. Some people are just bad and evil ,not all the homeless are that way but most are


Neoeng

> homeless people are bad and evil No empathy for the poor, huh?


AdventurousChapter27

It's not about monetary status it's about individuals most homeless individuals that I meet goes beyond saving. Ask people you know who deal with the homeles, don't believe me believe someone you know


Neoeng

And what exactly gives you the right to decide who is and who is not beyond saving?


AdventurousChapter27

Why don't you take people of the streets?


Neoeng

Why do we have governments?


kilranian

You're good at deflecting your failed positions onto other people.


AdventurousChapter27

https://youtu.be/MsIwq19_6nE who decides? No one can but one has to endure others


Neoeng

They are without houses and other available means for existence? What can one expect, for them to be prim and posh members of high society or something? The only solution to those problems is to give people everything they need, unconditionally. There’s literally no other option. Putting spikes on things where you can sit or sleep isn’t solving anything


kilranian

Oh wow you're just an open piece of shit. >Some people are just bad and evil --Self awareness has left the chat


AdventurousChapter27

Do you want photo evidence do you want me to take a picture every day of them smoking crack on the kids playground ?


HillaryShemailServer

You are ignorant af. What a fucking waste of space. Go pick up a text book or something.


Foxxy8862

You're a cruel piece of shit.


WintertimeFriends

Get spit on by some pissed soak junkie more than once and you’d change your tune real quick. Sheltered ass pussies on this site.


Foxxy8862

You're the fucking pussy, not wanting people to atleast have a fucking place to sleep. Because it interferes with your day. If you don't want people sleeping on sidewalks, go volunteer at a fucking homeless shelter, or support universal housing.


Pegguins

I take it you're inviting them to stay in your house, or in your garden then? And would have no complaints with human waste, drugs, general crime etc?


Blazedatpussy

I’m inviting the government to forcibly ‘jobless’ landlords and property owners (those who own multiple properties, typically for the purpose of profit) and put the unhoused population in the abundance of empty shelter.


Pegguins

Is the problem shelter space? In my city it isn't, there are more places for homeless than there are homeless. The problem for a huge amount of homeless is mental health, drug addiction and crime. Those aren't things you can fix by putting someone in a home, hostel or shelter. To ignore those issues, and the impact they have on the areas with lots of homeless people, is to ignore the problem in the first place and usually done by people who don't have to deal with it on a daily basis.


Blazedatpussy

Those are literally things you can fix by giving people homes. Shelter doesn’t solve every issue but yeah the stress of being unhoused causes a lot of crime. If you have no money, but need it to live, you do whatever it takes. If your withdrawals with drugs can possibly kill you, and you can’t afford to get help, you are stuck being addicted. Not only that, but this isn’t like a ‘one action fixes everything’ solution. It isn’t supposed to. Good education comes from not just having a healthy family life and ya know, a roof, but also well funded schools AND availability to healthcare for them and their parents. If you start removing the stresses of peoples lives, they aren’t incentivized to do any less, but simply to do more with the new recourses they have. It’s only beneficial for this to be accessible to everyone. There are no negatives that our way the positives, and honestly, it’s not even completely about all the good these changes can do for society. It’s mostly about the basic human decency we afford to those who lose the birth lottery and and don’t get any head start in an already brutal economy. People simply make excuses about these people, that they love drugs and don’t care about anything, but I think that just means you don’t know any unhoused people. People do things out of desperation. Make people less desperate and they stop taking drastic measures.


Foxxy8862

There are more unoccupied houses that are in perfect condition than there are homeless people in America.


Pegguins

So thats a "no it's not my problem" then?


Foxxy8862

Did you not read my reply? Momma not teach you how to read?


Foxxy8862

And hell, I'd be willing to volunteer my down time to help construct new homes for them if there weren't enough homes for them.


AdventurousChapter27

But you aren't doing it


kilranian

This is the largest failure of an argument from authority I've seen all day, and this is reddit!


ZBroYo

Shh shh, it's okay since it's not their problem. How dare a business not want festering homeless people sleeping in front of their stores potentially losing them customers? How dare they!


saltminer70

"Oh no!!! McDonald's is losing customers!!! What are we gonna do?!?" -you braindead clowns


ZBroYo

Yes, because of course the homeless only loiter around McDonalds, great job


saltminer70

Lol stfu sheltered bitch


WintertimeFriends

Oh no! An alt account sneak attack!


saltminer70

Whoop sorry i'm not a total loser like you with 300,000 fake internet points. I bet you're really proud of that eh?


AdventurousChapter27

You never lived near homeless people, theres more crazy shit people that people that has a rough patch and can be reinserted in social Life.


Blazedatpussy

Dude I live in Chicago fuck you. If people had homes you wouldn’t run into them like that, but anti - unhoused spikes are, undeniably, pure evil. There is no single excuse that makes it ok. The existence of hostile architecture, as a response to the unhousing of our own neighbors, is itself admittance of the evil of our current systems and societal attitudes. If it weren’t so damn depressing it would be cartoonishly evil. It’s fucking spikes dude. You should be ashamed of yourself.


WintertimeFriends

You used the term “unhoused”. Your opinion means nothing to me.


Blazedatpussy

Ok? I don’t need your opinion in order to be right.


dpetersz

No, you'd actually need to be right to be right.


Blazedatpussy

Good thing I am, then!


dpetersz

If thinking that makes you feel better...


Blazedatpussy

It’s not about how I feel, it’s about the reality of the most abused people of our nation.


dpetersz

...whose nation? I don't know where you live buddy.


Blazedatpussy

USA, but really this applies to any nation which allows it’s citizens to be forcibly removed from having shelter.


AdventurousChapter27

Down voted from people who had never been close to homeless crack smearing shit in wall homeless that are most of the homeless population


WintertimeFriends

It’s fine. I honestly felt similarly until I was exposed to it firsthand.


AdventurousChapter27

Those people never had to clean the worm filled shit from homeless people everyday. I know some are just down on their luck but most are drug pieces of shit that deserves to be in there


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AdventurousChapter27

Just ask any nurse in your family