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classified_straw

Good for you! And thank you for posting. I hope your life quality is better and better from now on! May i ask? Are you also Neurodivergent?


EmRaff7

Right? That description sounds like my CPTSD and ADHD


SawaJean

Saaaaaame. I have CFS as well, but the CPTSD + ADHD combo is intense.


EmRaff7

It really is, physical pacing and emotional regulation is like a full time job. Like I’m babysitting my body, my brain, and my emotions all at the same time UGH


SawaJean

That’s it exactly. It’s bananas how much care and support I need.


Happy_Heretical

Me too! It’s so hard. No one gets it. I honestly have a non neurodivergent friend who claims she understands my diag of CPTSD/autism/ADHD- and then gets extremely offended when those things show up in my life. Like 🤦🏽‍♀️ it’s exhausting in a whole different way.


rochiss

I grew up in a hoarded house (level 2 or 3) and CPTSD and also ADHD are somewhat linked with that. I don't know if any of it is related in my case, maybe it is. My Dr suspects a mood disorder. But he didn't make a full diagnosis yet I don't think, he seemed to be testing his theory. I will definitely ask about ADHD


EmRaff7

That’s crazy, I also grew up in a hoarded home! I hope there will be some more research about those connections in the future Also CPTSD is a pretty new diagnosis so doctors who aren’t educated on it are highly likely to misdiagnose it as something else, is he aware of CPTSD and trauma?


rochiss

Oh wow! HI! Im not sure! I mentioned the hoarding and I think he grouped it together with the family history of mental illness. But I didn't have time to go in depth about what that meant for me or that it's the reason I started therapy or that I've only been out of it for a year and half and it still affects me a lot. But I definitely plan on bringing it up along with my questions with adhd, it's definitely different growing up with so much stimuli around you. I wonder a lot how it affects us. Are you a part of the child of hoarder SubReddit and / or discord ?


LeechWitch

Whoa also CPTSD and ADHD and grew up in a hoarded house (borderline level 4). I was sick a lot as a kid in there, probably all the rotting garbage etc didn’t help. Always wondered if it’s related to my health now, if nothing else it’s certainly a higher ACE score. Who knows. Finding a good trauma recovery program and several good therapists and modalities for treating trauma saved my life. Ironic that it wasn’t until after I started doing better mentally that I physically went to hell in a hand basket.


rolacolapop

I would say it doesn’t totally rule out ME. As I said in a comment above my neurologist in the Uk said he try’s it on all his ME patients as it can be helpful for some. But the main thing is it’s helped, but be careful to pace and increase any activity slowly.


classified_straw

Yes! Mine too


rochiss

My Dr said he suspects some sort of mood disorder. Probably something in the family of bipolar, I'm not sure what he is thinking of exactly or how many options there are, but he said I dont have the dead giveaways of the disorder, but a bunch of the peripheral symptoms and family history. That since it's genetic and biologic, therapy wouldn't help me And I should treat this as I would a diabetes. That theres a thing called mixed state which is very hard to diagnose as it presents symptoms of depression and mania at the same time, he didn't claim I have it but he did mention the option.


classified_straw

I see. You know, autistic women often are misdiagnosed or undiagnosed... Undiagnosed Neurodivergency often presents as depression and your symptoms that look like mania could be meltdowns. Please follow ND people online! You may find answers. Autistic Callum, Cobywattsmusic, @AutSciPerson , are good starts. What you described sounds like ADHD, at least. I think it's worth checking it out


rochiss

Thanks! I will definitely ask him more about it next time, I am interested in seeing the differences with ADHD as it is linked at least with growing up in a hoarded house, which I did. So I definitely keep an eye out for it!


classified_straw

Great! But I insist that you also check diagnosed people on social, at Coby. If anything Coby is often funny


zeitgeistincognito

I’m a little shocked that the psychiatrist told you that therapy wouldn’t help you because it’s a genetic and biological issue. Many mood and psychotic disorders as well as substance abuse disorders have genetic and biological predisposing factors…and therapy helps a lot of folks with those types of disorders. I’m not saying that you in particular need therapy or would benefit, not everyone does, but for a clinician to say that to someone and potentially shut down the possibility of that person seeking therapeutic support in the future if needed seems…very irresponsible. And definitely biased. However, I’m excited for you that you seem to be having remission of very unpleasant symptoms and I hope that continues for you. Edited to correct an unfortunate spelling mistake.


rochiss

Oh I totally get your view but he didn't mean it like that. I do therapy and had for over 10 years! He never said I don't need it, just that Therapy alone would never fix it by itself! Maybe I said it wrong! He said that because I was very reluctant to trying medication at first because I wasn't really buying his theory. So he emphasized how if this is what he thinks I have to treat as I would a diabetes or it won't go away by therapy. But yeah he definitely didn't say don't do therapy lol and he knows I do therapy with a colleague of him. Also in my country therapy is extremely common, it's a culturak thing. Nearly everyone would casually mention something their therapist mentioned to them. Nobody (in general) is ashamed of it or anything and it's not thought of as if you have to have a pathology to go to therapy. It's like a gym for the mind.


zeitgeistincognito

Oh, I gotcha, I did not understand from your original post. That makes a lot more sense! And that’s wonderful that you live in a country where therapy is so normalized and accepted! I wonder what that’s like…🤣


rochiss

I don't know how it happened hahahaha but I live in the city with the most therapists per capita (Buenos Aires), it's the country with the most as well. There's a part of town literally called Villa Freud due to the amount of psicoanálists in the area. You can Google therapist and Argentina and there are a ton of articles about that phenomenon haha https://bridgesandballoons.com/why-are-so-many-argentines-in-therapy/ There's a perception here that if you DONT do therapy (or haven't ever in your life) there's probably something bigger wrong and you are in denial. Like it's an excercise of self growth. People my age (28) don't want to date someone who doesn't do or believe in therapy. We consider them the truly damaged because it's worse to not see your issues than it is to address them.


zeitgeistincognito

That sounds so lovely. And yeah, I don’t date folks who haven’t been to therapy either, i learned that lesson!


Leopard149

Just curious, did you have PEM where you felt much worse after minor exertion?


rochiss

Like the other reply mentioned, I'm not claiming to have CFS at all. I thought I did which is why I decided to post it here in the chance someone else is in the same boat I was. But I did feel worse after excercise, walking a lot would sore my legs A LOT. when I went to the gym for a while every day was harder than the last. It wasn't getting better at all. One night of partying on a Saturday my legs still feel it until Thursday. Something like standing in the kitchen to cook was also very demanding and the motion of buses. Traveling by bus exhausted me too. But then again I got very discouraged and didn't continue excercising. I was too exhausted after work to have the motivation to go to the gym and do worse than the day before. My muscles are probably dead due to sedentarism but it may be more related to not using them due to the fatigue than something else. Not sure.


Leopard149

Thank you for the clarification! It sounds like you may of had some form of exercise intolerance that made it hard to exercise, but probably not as much as ME/CFS patients with full blown "PEM." This is helpful for determining how similar your case may be to some of the people's on this subreddit.


haach80

But she isn't claiming that she had cfs. She is saying if someone has similar issues to her it might potentially be something else that could be fixed easily. I myself am weary of posts where people claim to have fixed their cfs but when you ask them about the symptoms it's clear they didn't have cfs. But op is not making such a claim.


Leopard149

Yes, I understand that, although OP wasn't clear one way or another if she had PEM-like symptoms specifically. It would be good to clarify, because then other people will have a better idea of how similar or different their symptoms are to the OP's.


haach80

Agreed. Makes sense!


Gloomy-Mix-6640

Ditto.


baconn

That drug is used for CFS sometimes, it lowers glutamate.


IceyToes2

Just wanted to add my experience. I'm already on this for my cPTSD as an add-on with Lexapro. It is mainly used to treat for bipolar disorder (which I am not), but most medications have a secondary and tertiary uses at different concentrations. My doctor noticed it did seem to have an anxiety decreasing property in conjunction with another anti-depressant. It has definitely helped my mood and anxiety. Unfortunately, no benefit to my energy or fatigue. It *sounds* like you had an undiagnosed anxiety disorder.


rochiss

He said I have some sort of mood disorder and anxiety (I don't know if that's the correct translation) not full on bipolar, but probably some form of the same thing. because he mentioned that I don't fit the main criteria for it but enough of the peripheral symptoms to have it and that it's genetic which would be why I struggled with it my whole life. His diagnosis sounded weird honestly but can't argue with the results. It definitely wasn't CFS at the very least or it probably wouldn't have helped, I had big doubts of it being CFS because I can't remember when it started but since it's a symptom of endometriosis I thought it could be an explanation.


IceyToes2

Honestly, I'm glad it worked for you. I wasn't trying to criticize at all. Every possible alternative solution does help. Thank you for sharing. :)


rochiss

Oh don't worry! I didn't feel criticism at all! Maybe my response came off as if I did? Don't worry!


IceyToes2

Sometimes people who post what helped them get unnecessary criticism. I mostly try to express that's not what I'm doing when I reply. :)


Kromulent

I'm sure you know this, but I just wanted to mention that Lamotrigene should be taken carefully. There is a good summary here: https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a695007.html


Microwave3333

Is there a TLDR on your biggest concerns with Lamotrigene? I may start it soon, but every medication in the world has a caution list a mile long


loudflower

The op is referring to SJS which is a very serious but rare side effect. If you start, your prescriber will likely titrate your dose slowly to lessen the chances. I take it to good end (I have bipolar). It’s a good caution, but most people are fine.


sazzak13

I’ve just looked this up as I’m on lamotrigine and wasn’t aware. It’s now making me wonder how soon it would come on after taking it. I was prescribed for trigeminal neuralgia and not long after M.E/CFS


MamboPoa123

I've been on it for 15 years with no issues. SJS is serious but my understanding is that it's very clear that something is wrong - you'd know enough to get to a doc who could recognize it and find the cause. I think it's also most common when starting or changing doses.


sazzak13

That’s what has made me think, they tested me for a lot of things but this was never mentioned once


rochiss

From what I've read if it hasn't come up in 3 months of taking it chances of having it are very slim.


sazzak13

My m.e/cfs came on within a couple of months after starting it


rochiss

This bad reaction to lamotrigine is fatal if untreated, so it may not be related, but maybe ask your Dr about it, it's weird that they didn't talk to you about the risks. It was the first thing my Dr told me


sazzak13

I’m probably grasping to be honest anything to explain the pain and exhaustion that this horrible condition causes to so many of us


loudflower

AFAIK, it can happen with other innocuous medications. And I think it is something to be aware of taking lamotrigine long-term, however, it's a very small risk. Acquaint yourself with the signs and, IMO, you should be alright. If it was terrible, there would be a black box warning and there isn't. Personally, it's a very effective medication for my bipolar ll. And it's still used as an antiepileptic. How long have you taken it?


sazzak13

About 8 years now! My recent visit to the opticians did say I had extremely dry eyes. I always have a fry mouth but I was told it could be other tablets I’m on


loudflower

>trigeminal neuralgia So it helps? My understanding is this is really really painful.


sazzak13

Luckily with Baclofen as well. I initially thought it was toothache in my front teeth on the left, I was crying with pain


loudflower

I'm glad you have some relief. I didn't know this about baclofen. An online friend who has this condition might be interested. This might be an ignorant question because if it was possible, it would be standard care, but the nerve cannot be paralyzed, even temporarily?


sazzak13

To be honest it’s never a discussion I’ve had with my dr as it’s been controlled by medication it’s unlikely they’d refer me to hospital for no doubt a yearly wait!


Kromulent

It looks like you've received some good answers, but for the sake of completeness, here's the main text from the warning section: >IMPORTANT WARNING: >**Lamotrigine may cause rashes, including serious rashes that may need to be treated in a hospital or cause permanent disability or death.** Tell your doctor if you are taking valproic acid (Depakene) or divalproex (Depakote) because taking these medications with lamotrigine may increase your risk of developing a serious rash. Also tell your doctor if you have ever developed a rash after taking lamotrigine or any other medication for epilepsy or if you are allergic to any medications for epilepsy. >Your doctor will start you on low dose of lamotrigine and gradually increase your dose, not more than once every 1 to 2 weeks. You may be more likely to develop a serious rash if you take a higher starting dose or increase your dose faster than your doctor tells you that you should. Your first doses of medication may be packaged in a starter kit that will clearly show you the right amount of medication to take each day during the first 5 weeks of your treatment. This will help you to follow your doctor's instructions as your dose is slowly increased. Be sure to take lamotrigine exactly as directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it more often than prescribed by your doctor. >Serious rashes usually develop during the first 2 to 8 weeks of treatment with lamotrigine, but can develop at any time during treatment. If you develop any of the following symptoms while you are taking lamotrigine, call your doctor immediately: rash; blistering or peeling of the skin; hives; itching; or painful sores in your mouth or around your eyes.


rochiss

You also can't mix it with hormonal drugs like contraceptive and for some reason paracetamol was listed as an "ask your Dr about it" drug.


rochiss

My Dr warned me of the bad reaction and explained to me the dosage and I will be seeing him before increasing the dosage. Apparently if you don't respond badly in 3 months you are mostly in the clear. I hope I do because it would suck to be allergic. It is however a generally well tolerated drug that reported fewer side effects than the placebo group lol but yeah every one can react very differently.


juicygloop

Yo this is awesome news, and sounds super interesting for me personally. Really appreciate the share


rochiss

Thank you! I really hope it helps someone here 💖


danathepaina

Interesting. I’ve tried 6 different anticonvulsants but never that one. I’ll ask my doc about it.


jabunkie

Hmm, thanks for this post.


thatmarblerye

Thanks for the share! This is very interesting. I was wondering, do you notice any difference so far in your cognitive abilities? Like does it make anything more difficult to do, or maybe the opposite that mental capacity is better?


rochiss

I notice that my mind wonders off less at night. I'm feel more relaxed in general, maybe I'm at a high because I'm just so happy of getting new found energy. But I used to obsessively care about stuff and worry about everything all at once and I was very overwhelmed by it. I think a mental voice is not there anymore, but I think overall it felt like noise, nothing clear. So I feel better, but it's weird. I was really scared of the idea, I do feel it differently but definitely not bad or nothing I would notice in an annoying way. Like I feel a bit more present and less in my head but it's early to say and I may be high on the happiness of getting a glimpse at energy. You know how you have your inner voice? I feel like I had my inner voice and then too many thoughts fighting to get to the front and be "said" now I think I don't have as much of the fighting. Stuff still just pop up but it's not as overwhelming. I definitely need to be on it longer and on greater dosages to be 100% sure of the effects because it's early on. But so far it feels a bit more organized which I think helps my general performance.


thatmarblerye

Thanks for the explanation :)


Mego1989

I believe what your last paragraph describes is considered "intrusive thoughts". In mental health care.


rochiss

Yes! That's exactly how he called them as well! And I also have vivid mental images of different possible scenarios, he said all of that is influenced by this accelerated brain state which is a symptom of mania/hypomania


RinkyInky

Do or did you experience brain fog? Eg. Feeling spaced out and blank all the time, if someone tells you something, you forget it once they stop, etc.


rochiss

Not really, I felt overwhelmed and that made me lose a lot of concentration or forget stuff. But never quiet. That's how he convinced me. He made me stop and think If my brain ever shuts up. And for that week I couldn't find a single moment when it was chilling. I also lucid dream so I didn't even chill while dreaming lol. I am maybe blank to the outside world, like not listening a word someone says. But an entire movie going on in my head. i had very vivid mental images of different scenarios happening all at once, like maybe being in the subway and seeing how someone grabs a gun and kills everyone or the subway explodes. Or stuff like that. A lot of anxiety or intruding thoughts. Or maybe happy imaginary world's. But never blank


RinkyInky

Hmm I see, I didn’t know that was different from anxiety. How is it different from ADHD too? Just curious, I might try what you mention. Did he say what the root cause of this overactive brain was? I lucid dream too, and have very vivid dreams.


rochiss

That is one thing I want to ask!! the difference with ADHD. Online I saw the most common description a patient makes of a bipolar mixed state with accelerated thought is feeling caffeinated and exhausted at the same time. Which is actually something I said lol because I can't have any coffee because I'm just too accelerated. I feel palpitations and if I drink one cup my heart rate is crazy. So being so tired and not being able to drink coffee was awful. But now I can drink one cup! haven't tried more. However he said that diagnosing and treating a mixed state is difficult and he wasn't 100% sure. But other things pointed to it too. I think there must be something different because I couldn't find this with ADHD but just like I don't understand the difference with anxiety. Definitely don't try the drug, just the psychiatrist ahaha because it can have a nasty fatal side effect if applied incorrectly and if not aware of when to seek help!


RinkyInky

Fatal side effect?? Lol that’s tough. Sounds like a huge gamble especially if it’s hard to diagnose this mixed state.


rochiss

Hahaha sounds worse than it is, some people experience an allergic reaction. It's not common but can be fatal IF UNTREATED. it needs to be treated and treatment stopped. You need to up the dosage very slowly to prevent the occurrence but it's like some are allergic to penicillin this is the same. It doesn't have a lot of side effects and the placebo group reported more side effects. It's also widely used for bipolar as it's generally more well tolerated than lithium.


Mego1989

Adhd comes with a lot of fatigue and anhedonia for most people, especially if you went untreated for a long time.


sobreviviendolavida

Glad you are feeling better. Sleep is so important. I am also on Lamotrigine.. it's a mood stabiliser which can help a lot with hypomania or possible "overly active brain". I also have CFS. I'm happy I can sleep straight for 12 hours though even if unrefreshing... my mind does shut down. But all the other CFS symptoms are there. My energy is very limited.


rochiss

Thank you! I'm so sorry, CFS is enfuriating. Sometimes (way too often) I wish I could go back in time, become crypto rich and fund research to fibro, CFS. And endometriosis too. The invisible illness Club


AstraofCaerbannog

Happy to hear you've found something that's helped! This is a reason why there needs to be clearer diagnostic criteria for CFS rather than just the fatigue/muscle aches side of things, and why CFS patients need more intensive assessments than just "here are some basic blood tests". Looking at the OPs posts of their symptoms they didn't ever seem to have primary symptoms of CFS such at post-exertional-malaise which consists of more than tiredness/fatigue after exertion, but often arises as flu like symptoms after exertion. And also symptoms like brain fog etc. If there were more awareness of what CFS actually is and more emphasis on avenues to explore it then perhaps the OP could have been treated much earlier. It's like loads of people with CFS get misdiagnosed with depression because they have some secondary symptoms, but without the primary symptom of low mood you do not have depression. Same as CFS, if you're not getting PEM and flu like symptoms, you most likely don't have CFS.


rochiss

My hope is that long COVID could help crack it because now you have a huge group who got it the same way, who are probably not missdiagnosed and if they focus on a way to identify it in them, that could maybe be used to other me patients, I think it could be multiple things causing it and a mix up in diagnosis. Which would make trying to find a common ground to identify it VERY difficult as some may be completely different illnesses. But with long COVID they likely started the same


AstraofCaerbannog

Yes exactly! I think that's why there's so much more interest and funding in long Covid than there has been for ME/CFS, because at least you know you have a homogenous group who fell ill at around the same time from a clear trigger. With ME/CFS it's so varied.


scandisil

Thanks for sharing. Glad you feel better. Just wanted to say that what the psychiatrist says is complete pseudoscience though. Not saying that the pills can’t work, but the reasoning is basically based on zero evidence. Also, as you say, this treatment should not be done by people with diagnosed M.E.


rochiss

Yes! Of course I didn't have CFS but it's such an understudied disease that without a test to confirm it, it's impossible to say if all people who are diagnosed with CFS are actually suffering of the same disease. It may have different reasons for it to occur and since drs don't have answers to either they group it together. Since this seemed to be an answer I thought it was worth mentioning for someone out there like me who didn't know what was going on or why they struggled so much.


siuol11

Psychiatry isn't a pseudoscience any more than CFS research is. Yes, bad psychiatrists are also bad doctors, and the "chemical imbalance" theory was debunked. There are still a bunch of treatment modalities that do work.


scandisil

Some would say, but I was only referring to this specific theory


rochiss

Why though? It's not an isolated theory, he explained it considering many different symptoms that formed his diagnosis which wasnt this, this was one symptom of it. I thought it was crazy, maybe he oversimplified it for me when explaining it, actually he certainly did but his meds worked.


scandisil

I’m just saying it’s something that can’t be measured. It’s just a theory. But if the treatment works who cares about the explanation


silaar1

Why is this comment downvoted? It’s spot on. The explanation from the psychiatrist is not based on any science lol


HuckyBuddy

I am very happy for you, that is a big win. I have tried the Lamotragine path and the dexamphetamine path but neither helped for me, I am glad Lamotragine worked for you!


rolacolapop

Glad it worked for you. I was put on it by a neurologist, he said it sometimes helps people with cfs and it was worth a try. Worst 6 weeks of my life. I slept for about 20 hours a day. I’d shower get dressed and then need to sleep, be awake for another hour or so and need to sleep again. Rinse repeat all day.


[deleted]

I am happy you feel better but I don’t mess with psych meds I don’t need. It terrifies me that docs prescribe bipolar meds and antipsychotic meds off label.


SawaJean

I mean, valid. But also my LDN is off label. We each have to make our own choices about risk and benefits — and it sounds like for OP this ended up being a really helpful med.


rochiss

Thanks. I wasn't trying to get anyone on any meds though, just suggesting a visit to a psychiatrist to address the lack of restorative sleep. His diagnosis sounded really weird as this is a symptom of bipolar, and I don't fit most of the big give aways. And I was reluctant as well. But you can't really claim not to need it until you try what they offer because I sure as hell wasn't expecting this to work at all.


ReluctantLawyer

I think your characterization is really rude. People who take meds off label and find that they help their symptoms could be described as “needing” the meds.


rochiss

I don't know why would he suggest they are off label if they were prescribed by a psichiatrist...


ReluctantLawyer

“Off label” just means not for the FDA approved use. Tons of drugs are used off label because they actually help people.


rochiss

But it is a med used for bipolar and he thinks I have some form of it... Lol this user just assumed. I only expanded on what he said caused the fatigue not the rest of the diagnosis. But this accelerated thought is a symptom of mania in bipolar. I don't have dead giveaways of bipolar but he said a mixed state is a possibility and I had enough little symptoms to try it out.


FriendlyKoala100

How did the psychiatrist discover that your brain was working faster than usual? MRI?


rochiss

He didn't..... Which is in part why I didn't believe him this would help. I was reaching, he was reaching. Genuinely I have no clue how he came to it. I know that this accelerated state is a symptom of hypomania in bipolar and he suspects i could have a mixed state. He explained that being accelerated and anxious are very different but I didn't quite understand it. during the hypomania you are supposed to feel more energized and like a force of nature, he said that it could just present in my mind and it would make the rest of me tired. He kinda just took 2 looks at me, we talked, he gave me a questionare and then he listed most of the things I told him and tried to explain how most of it is not actually anxiety, and that I was being bombarded with multiple intruding thoughts It genuinely sounded WEIRD and I haven't found research or anything online linking hipomania to fatigue or lack of restorative sleep. But it could be the depression fatigue with the hipomania mind and he oversimplified it for me? I will continue to ask him, I only saw him twice which to me was way too quickly to medicate. But he seemed like there was no doubt in his mind this is physiological.


FriendlyKoala100

Interesting, thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my message 🙏🏻


Gloomy-Mix-6640

Any other symptoms besides the fatigue and what looks like exercise intolerance? Did you have pain or sleep issues, for instance? Because I don’t have a lot of ME symptoms myself. No pain, brain fog, or omnipresent fatigue. I do get what does amount to crashes though. If I’m careful, I go months without them. I also have CPTSD and anxiety and a host of other mental health issues, so this intrigued me a bit. Although I do have a ME diagnosis already. Thx


rochiss

I've had sleep issues my whole life as well! I think I'm a night owl and that's jt, but I've struggled a lot with insomnia. they thought maybe anxiety was causing my issues. And it got better with CBT and can now fall asleep easier but my body always needs to be awake at night and sleep during the day. But being forced into the work day meant I was asleep during the day and asleep at night because I had woken up early. I take suplements to sleep Magnesium for the muscles and a cocktail of relaxing plants as well. Those help me a lot, I can't function without. Pain is difficult to say, endometriosis causes pain by itself. I think my muscles hurt more than usual, but then again, my muscles are rusty as fuck. But I get a lot more inflammation


Mego1989

Do you know about delayed sleep phase syndrome? If you have it, forcing yourself into a "normal" schedule can cause all kinds of symptoms like fatigue, irritability, depression, etc


rochiss

There's nothing I can do about work though yet.🥺 I start at 10am which is the latest I could find. I do homeoffice so I can open my eyes at 9.40. I know I live better on a different schedule. But now I can function even though it's the morning but it's not crazy like 7am as some people. I think it was a mix of things. 7am would neverrr work for me.


Tayasos

I have struggled with the same exact things all my life!! I'm going to show this to my psychiatrist and see what they think!! Thank you for sharing!!


rochiss

If it helps, mine said he thought this was a mood disorder and the accelerated thought was a symptom of it, not a disorder in itself. I didn't have enough time with him to ask all the questions, but I hope it helps. Other things that help his diagnosis was family history of mental illness, depresión history (not present) a bad reaction to antidepressants. He could be wrong, or it could be too early to tell on this pill but one week of feeling like this, to me, sounded impossible. So I truly wish this is it


Tayasos

I hope it's the answer you've been looking for!!


Kunnonpaskaa

What kind of bad reaction to antidepressants, care to elaborate?


rochiss

In my case I only took one but I was very young when it was prescribed so my mom refused to continue treatment. I started throwing up constantly due to stress, I couldn't put down a glass of water or a cracker. It would come back up. This happened for over a year despite I stopped treatment after 4 months on it. But I think he was also refering to my mom's bad reactions. She was never able to take an antidepressant and have it work. She had all kinds of symptoms with them. In theory though what he was looking for in the malfunction of antidepressants is that if you have bipolar an antidepressant will probably take you to the other side of the poles. In my case It didn't make me maniac so I don't know if mine is the common representation of it, he didn't clarify it! but it made me anxious enough to throw up everything. And what I confuse with anxiety symptoms are what he says is my accelerated state from the hypomanic symptoms. A history of depression is also associated with bipolar, if you had a big depression in your youth that is the most common first presentation of it. Mine went away after two years and kinda rapidly due to a trip I took, many people with depression can't get out of it as "simply" as I did.


gimmis7

This is so interesting! I was also first set to a psychiatric who suspected bipolarity. This as I had been super excited half week and depressed the rest half a year before the cfs symptoms started (hadnt experied these kind of strong emotional changes before). However, she ruled it out as I missed other things required to be diagnosed and my circle (manic-depressed-maniac) was too short. Now I start to wonder, should I try to get a second opinion on this 😒


rochiss

Another thing! My Dr said I also don't fit some big aspects of the disorder, but enough of the peripheral symptoms to still be able to have it. Like the dead give away isn't there, but he saw enough pointers and history.. It is very early to say definitely and he didn't DIAGNOSE me with this mixed state, I think he is waiting to check my reaction or maybe there are more options of mood disorders he didn't talk to me about and thinks there are more possibilities. I still have to ask him a million questions but this drug has been good so he may be onto it.


rochiss

My Dr talked about this mixed state that is often very difficult to diagnose and could be missed. But it's worth mentioning that I don't experience brain fog or flu like symptoms after excercise. I get very often flu like symptoms but randomly and those are more endometriosis related i think. I never truly believed I had ME due to the severity of the symptoms I see here and I was unable to remember a before like I see most people do. But I felt something was wrong because I had too little spoons a day and cfs is all I found which happened to be mentioned with endo too.


Mego1989

There are forms of bipolarity that have a shorter phase. I believe just in the last few years they've kind of broken down what was initially considered bipolar disorder into different subtypes depending on cycle.


MistyCD

Congratulations, that's great. I've taken about 10 psychopharmaceuticals and none of them do shit for me....