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(Rant) Sad day for truck people here in Canada...

(Rant) Sad day for truck people here in Canada...

Smitty_Oom

> Now it seems to just get a basic truck for truck-things (towing) costs you an arm and a leg. You can get a truck that pulls 14,000 lbs for $45k.


jas417

Know what else is more expensive than it was 20 years ago? Literally everything. ​ A base extended cab F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost can tow over 10,000 pounds at the same price as a loaded Accord. And a base pickup truck interior these days is pretty dang nice so it's hard to find the drawback.


Uptons_BJs

Its actually a fantastic time to be a truck guy, truck capabilities have never been better. ​ [Ford's weakest engine, aka, the cheapest, 3.3 work truck v6, can do 8200 when specced with the tow package.](https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/21Towing_Ford_F150_Dec3.pdf) ​ 20 years ago, [the most powerful engine with the tow package can only do 8800](https://letstowthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2001-Ford-F-150-Conventional-Towing-Chart.webp). ​ Oh, and don't forget, [Today's truck is graded with the very, very tough SAE J2807 standard](https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard/). 20 years ago, towing capacity was whatever the manufacturer wanted to call it.


opposite_locksmith

My old 2001 F-350 V10 could tow 13,000 lbs and it’s replacement 2009 F-150 5.4 litre with tow package can tow 10,500 while using slightly more than half the fuel.


spongebob_meth

The suspension is so soft on the half ton that lugging around that kind of weight has to be miserable


Drzhivago138

>you can now only spec new Ford F-150's with the PowerBoost engine (v6 hybrid towing monster) in the King Ranch and Limited trim. [...] Ford has decided it makes the most sense to put the chips in their higher margin vehicles Yes, it does make the most sense to put them there, because high-trim buyers are more likely to want the most powerful engine option and be willing to shell out for it. For the same reason, the 6.2 V8 in 2011-14 was almost never seen in an F-150 lower than Lariat, and the HO tune of the 3.5 EB has similar availability. > (aka, truck luxury "trims" that double the price of the damn thing). Why the quotes? And no, it doesn't "double the price". >There used to be a time when trucks were built for the every man/woman. Now it seems to just get a basic truck for truck-things (towing) costs you an arm and a leg. You can tow just fine with a non-PowerBoost model. A "basic truck" with the 3.3L V6 is still rated for over 8K lbs. in most applications. >Yes diesel I am talking about you. Diesels have always been an expensive option.


thejourneyisthegift

This post literally makes zero sense.


graytotoro

It's our regularly scheduled "why do things cost money?" post.


thejourneyisthegift

I just use my wife’s expedition to tow stuff now. It’s an xlt without most fancy options. Towing beast.


Bobodog1

.... Buy a used?


Ottomatik80

Today’s 1/2 ton trucks can tow as much as 1- ton diesel trucks from ~20 years ago.


CuppaSouchong

Pickup truck makers can call me when they start making pickups the size of a 90's Ford Ranger two seater. With a six foot bed.


Smitty_Oom

> when they start making pickups the size of a 90's Ford Ranger two seater. With a six foot bed. A brand new F150 with 6.5' bed is 9" longer than a 98+ Ranger with the long bed. That's the closest you're going to get. A Transit Connect is what you want. LWB version is shorter than the old Ranger and has more than 6' of length in the back.


jas417

BS. Toyota, GM and Ford all still make stripper midsize trucks that cost the same relative to the market and inflation as those 90s ones and actually have grown less sizewise than any other segment of car. You're telling me the little mini back seat in an extended cab is a deal breaker? Yeah right. For all the rose colored internet comments about them regular cab trucks in practice suck. They're gone because a little extra length for some dry and lockable storage is worth it to almost everyone who actually buys them.


Drzhivago138

> For all the rose colored internet comments about them regular cab trucks in practice suck. They're gone because a little extra length for some dry and lockable storage is worth it to almost everyone who actually buys them. Amen. Or at least, regular cab compact and mid-sizers suck. A regular cab full-size can have [quite a bit of space behind the seat](https://turn5.scene7.com/is/image/Turn5/T533362?wid=810&hei=608&op_usm=0.8,1,10,0), either for storage or for reclining slightly.


jas417

I get the feeling that 9/10ths of the people who think they want regular cabs have never owned a pickup. Beds are useful for a great many things and absolute crap for a great many things. People who actually use trucks for truck stuff either work outside or do a lot of outside stuff. Wanna bring your backpack with a laptop, a jacket, lunch, change of shoes for when your boots get muddy, power tools, off road recovery stuff etc? Have a dog that you don’t want licking your face the whole way but don’t want them in the bed, or both a friend and a dog? Want to get groceries? You want that stuff inside and not stuffed in the passenger footwell. That looks alright, I still don’t understand who wouldn’t want a full extended cab. I can understand not wanting the full four door. I often wish I’d gone for an extended cab with extra bed space, a tiny dog is pretty much the only living thing that uses my back seat on a regular basis but a regular cab would suck.


Drzhivago138

I've said it many times: a regular cab may be the "purest" form of pickup truck, but it's usually not the most useful. A vehicle that can hold [5-6 people and a good amount of cargo](https://cdn.jdpower.com/ChromeImageGallery/Expanded/White/640/2014FRD009b_640/2014FRD009b_640_03.jpg) is more useful to more buyers than a vehicle that can only hold [2-3 people and has more cargo space than most people will ever need regularly.](https://picolio.auto123.com/14photo/ford/2014-ford-f-150-xl_8.png)


jas417

Exactly. Like what do they think people do, carry just pallets around or something? Or they’re only for those people you see packed to the gills with scrap? Hey who cares what’s pure, a pickup truck is fundamentally a tool and 95% of the time an extended or crew cab is a better tool.


Drzhivago138

Even HD pickups, which are much more likely to use their bed for hauling cargo than a half-ton, are also more likely to have the shorter 6.5' bed. Why? Because many building materials are now too long even for an 8' bed. A 6.5' bed can pull a gooseneck just as well as an 8'.


jas417

I mean I’d actually say the opposite, HD trucks huge advantage is the towing capability. Either way though yeah, I worked construction a few summers in college and yeah stuff showed up on flat beds, pickups were for towing mostly. And when it did come to using personal trucks hauling the odd long things in a pinch my 2nd Gen 4Runner with its roll-down back window was just as good for that as a longbed lol. Just stick em out the hatch


Drzhivago138

> HD trucks huge advantage is the towing capability. Oh yes, I don't disagree there. But which truck is more likely to be purchased by a commercial fleet to have stuff thrown into the bed: a half-ton, or a 3/4 ton?


jas417

Actually half tons. Most fleet work trucks I see that aren’t full on commercial trucks like flat beds or utility beds are half tons.