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Court rules that the high profile suicide of a Toyota employee was a result of power harassment - The Prius production line chief suffered from "mental attacks that went beyond a socially acceptable level."

Court rules that the high profile suicide of a Toyota employee was a result of power harassment - The Prius production line chief suffered from "mental attacks that went beyond a socially acceptable level."

Maximilianne

tbh i'm surprised toyota didn't just hush hush the whole affair and just let the widow/dependants collect any relevant pensions


afishinacloud

From the article linked at the bottom of this one: > Toyoda's subordinates apparently did not inform him that the cause of the employee’s death was power harassment and he only became aware of it in November 2019 through news reports that labor authorities had awarded his bereaved family compensation for his death. > He and the company's vice president then traveled to meet the employee’s family and Toyoda admitted his responsibility during the meeting. > He reportedly told the family that the reason no one at Toyota had informed him that the victim's death had resulted from power harassment was due to "the current corporate culture" there. But they’re also implementing some new HR policies ahead of time in response to this > As a preventive measure against power harassment, the company shifted from a merit-based personnel evaluation system to one that was personality-based in July 2020, earlier than initially planned. > Under the new system, known as "360-degree feedback," about 10,000 Toyota employees in managerial positions are subject to evaluations from more than 10 people around them such as their superiors, subordinates, and people concerned, in and out of the company. > Employees who are deemed unfit will not be promoted to serve as immediate managers of staff. > Toyota has also set up a section independent of other sections that employees who experience abuse can turn to. https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14367358


SharkBaitDLS

Wow, those sound like genuinely good changes if they actually get enforced.


jkmonger

We've been doing 360s at work for a while now. They're great as you get feedback from a range of colleagues at different seniorities/roles


MySabonerRunsOladipo

The obvious lesson here is to make sure that all mental attacks are at or below the socially acceptable level.


SchnitzelTruck

My daily mental attack punch card still has 1 punch left on it! I'm good to go!


Maximilianne

basically yes, HR doesn't mind if you bully other employees, they just want you to do it in way such that if an employee commits suicide it can't be blamed on the company work environment


LostYogurtcloset

> HR doesn't mind if you bully other employees, they just want you to do it in way such that if an employee commits suicide it can't be blamed on the company work environment HR protects the company. *If protecting the company* spills over into protecting you, then they'll work to care about you.


Affectionate_Local59

Yup, unfortunately the only way HR will care about you is if you position yourself as an asset worth protecting. It’s a shitty game, and we should actively work on changing it, but for now, it’s in your best interest to play it. I’d rather be alive and working on change than dead and vindicated


Sykkr

Until then, daily beatings must continue!


wampyre1

The beatings will continue until moral improves😾


jimflaigle

Keep it below 3.7, you'll be fine.


darkstriders

> The high court ruling recognized the reprimands from the bosses, involving shouting at the man in front of his colleagues, as mental attacks that went beyond a socially acceptable level. This happens in a lot of companies in many countries, including the US. In the US, I see this more often with tech startups.


Alabatman

Eh, any place with egos has this. Sadly I've seen it to many places in the US.


PhaseSea1141

[Activision Blizzard](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/07/22/activision-blizzard-lawsuit-alleges-horrific-mistreatment-of-women/) had similar case with also a suicide caused by harassment


LostYogurtcloset

> This happens in a lot of companies in many countries, including the US. Americans tend to snap... In a *flying lead* sort of way.


WhyAreRedditorsAngry

It happens to nurses by doctors all the time. At my wife’s last job, the last two icu managers before the existing both killed themselves. The hospital does a great job sweeping it under the rug.


Muny30

Oh Japan and their toxic work culture


V8-Turbo-Hybrid

Yea, you still have to work even if typhoon ( hurricane ) comes the land. Anyway, this isn’t Japan only. In my knowledge, Korea does same thing, as they go same “chaebol” system. Samsung has had same worse cases too.


LostYogurtcloset

> Anyway, this isn’t Japan only. In my knowledge, Korea does same thing, as they go same “chaebol” system. Samsung has had same worse cases too. A fellow STEM grad student peer of mine overstayed his visa after graduation *on purpose*. He was willing to work *any* job to avoid going back to white-collar sweatshops in Seoul. Professional jobs here pay extremely low there.


WSBNarrator

My friend, super smart STEM grad student as well, described what was tantamount to shiny Foxconn facilities.


TenguBlade

This isn’t even Asia-only, although places like China and Singapore have culturally-rooted draconian work policies of their own that are worth mentioning. It’s present at basically any company that seems to be way more productive per capita than it’s counterparts. The root of this is ambition and ego, which easily spills over into toxicity when not everyone shares the same drive and has the same time as the leadership. Startups in the Western world are infamous for being culture landmines.


Vegetals

In my experience this happens in Korea. Working themselves to death is just part of the deal.


skhds

Korean here, confirmed


uwonedriveandemail

Yes, it's very sad, but we should also make sure people stay mentally strong so they don't resort to things like this.


IOU4something

Are you blaming the victim???


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CaptainMuffins_

Being reactionary to things like this is not a good thing


uwonedriveandemail

Well, sometimes people bring themselves their own depression. Sometimes the victim is also the perpetrator, unfortunately. Especially these days when it seems everyone is depressed.


cookingboy

> Sometimes the victim is also the perpetrator Wtf does that even mean??? That goes way beyond the usual victim blaming.


hi9580

It's all in your head. Sometimes no amount of medication or external means will help. Those things can temporarily relieve depression but it'll come back if you can't control your own mind. Ie at the end of the day only you can get yourself out


SharkBaitDLS

“Just don’t be sad lol” External stressors are a massive reason for most people’s mental health issues. Suggesting people should just suck it up and find a way to be happy with their terrible situation is absolutely worthless advice.


uwonedriveandemail

It's a bit more nuanced than that, there is a good Louis Rossman video I remember watching ([link](https://youtu.be/hcCOCxOCrcA)) about how you can create your own depression from self-pity. Maybe doesn't necessarily apply here, but it might, we don't yet know what the details are of this incident.


terminal5527

Please do tell us how you arrived at these conclusions and your sources


wankthisway

What in the fuck my dude? > Especially these days when it seems everyone is depressed. And somehow it's their fault??? This is one of the most inhumane, nasty things I've ever read on this site.


ToastyMozart

DARVO by proxy, that's a new one.


strangehitman22

wtf


manjag23

Sad to think mental attacks, to any degree, are socially accepted


IAmOgdensHammer

Used to work for them. The yelling you'd hear is astonishing. The yelling also doesn't stop the higher up you go. One time a large number of Japanese execs came to the factory due to the "quality crisis" on our hands for the model change over to the next generation. We went from 1st in JD power associates award. To dead last. They were screaming for exactly an hour on the dot and then left. The factory lost a lot of overtime privileges and a lot of production numbers that took a huge toll and made them realize how much they fucked themselves (the plant manager because this was the first time Toyota had let NA build and design the plant layout and they absolutely fucked it)


Uptons_BJs

I'm actually more surprised that automakers themselves care about JD Power awards so much, they'd use it as an internal metric of quality.


IAmOgdensHammer

Our factory had won 1st for 16 years straight but JD power is really the only award the top guys care about. Because of how outward facing those awards are. If you actually want the best metric for how a car does consumer reports is more or less really reliable


dnroamhicsir

Implying there are socially acceptable levels of mental attacks


Dr-BoostFire

Japan es muy loco, mi amigo. ​ *That is seriously crazy.*


Skvora

I guess all knob slobbing by the entirety of California didn't hold a candle to everyone else hating that abomination of a vehicle.


SlowMoFoSho

It's the best selling hybrid or electric vehicle in history, selling over seven million units in 20 years. Yeah, "everyone hates the Prius outside of libural wasteland California". /s


ALOIsFasterThanYou

It is really quite funny how California lives rent-free in so many people's heads. ...If only I could live rent-free in California...


SlowMoFoSho

> It is really quite funny how California lives rent-free in so many people's heads. Usually some asshole who lives in Louisiana or rural Kansas, with a broken and backwards education and health care system and bottom percentile outcomes for everyone in the state. But at least they don't tax ya! /s