Who here shifts their automatics?
By - LegitAndroid
I did this in my former Ford Focus. I spent probably 60% of the time in sport mode to activate the buttons on the gear shift, mostly around town.
Reason being, the powershift DCT automatic is straight garbage and if I shifted it myself I could cut down significantly on the terrible habits of the transmission. Highway commuting it was fine to do its thing, but in a slower/city setting I much prefered doing it myself.
The "Powershit" is the biggest most slept on turd Ford has dropped, for some reason mine doesn't even have the manual mode. Not having the shiftable buttons has put the car at the top of my crappy cars list.
>mine doesn't even have the manual mode.
It's only in certain trims/options as far as I'm aware. I had a Titanium, but I think most SEs don't have them. Not sure on the SEL.
Edit: I looked it up for MY13, which is what I had. If I'm understanding correctly, it's no buttons on S or SE without the appearance package, buttons on SE with appearance package and Titanium trim. [Source](https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=Focus&year=2013&api_key=0d571406-82e4-2b65-cc885011-048eb263)
My folks have a 2016 Focus SE and it has manual shifter buttons and "S" on the automatic gear selector. Unless it was on and after a certain year they included them.
Can confirm the 2016 SE had it nonetheless
I had one for a hire car in New Zealand and it truly is terrible in hilly terrain. Awful gear change decisions at the worst possible moment. The only way it was driveable was in sport mode.
Good news for you is those transmissions seem last longer when you use it that way.
They wear out when trying to emulate a normal torque converter automatic.
So, keep it up!
Only in my minivan. Because I need the torque to hit the apex just right on the on ramp.
Time to get the Bisimoto Odyssey. If it didn’t sell for an absurd price and I could somehow convince my wife that a manual van is a good idea then we’d be in business
Bisi's shop is right down the street from me haha. I'm in a 98 Odyssey myself 👍I had dreams of a manual H22 once upon a time but its too clean to hack up.
Why can’t it be clean with an H22? That’d be rad
That would be wicked. I love the sleepers, they fly under the radar and are still fun. Heck my parents had an Odyssey with the 3.5 and that thing was surprisingly quick
Yeah I can relate to this. Get the most VTEC honk I can
Do they make a hellcat Pacifica yet? I think you’d be a good candidate for one.
Dax Shepard is working on it…
Alfa 4c, it’s in manual every time I drive unless I’m taking a call.
Alfa 4c? My my you have good taste, just wish you could see out of it
So long as the regional airport is behind you and you’re moving forward it’s not a big deal.
Just hit the gas and you don't have to worry about sightlines
How's the reliability been? Been a fan of Alfa but never been ballsy enough to go italian
Been solid so far, other than routine maintenance I’ve only had to replace a blown strut and the evap canister. I picked it up in March of last year with 4K miles on it and have put another 8k on it since, loving every drive!
I was honestly ready to buy one precovid, they had dropped down into the 60s (launch price was 128+ here..) now the cheapest in the country is 90k lmao... also not single anymore have to pick up a 4 door so it will be an M3 I guess.
You’re gonna hate me, grabbed mine for $39k USD from an older woman that didn’t enjoy the manual steering.
Welp time to emigrate! I'm pretty sure if I was in the US i'd be a Corvette guy.
Corvette is definitely the move if you make your way out here! Grab and old ratty z06, beat it to shit and never look back
Holy shit what a steal
Why would you be worried about Alfa 4C's reliability?
Alfa has an uhhh reputation for not being the most... well built vehicle. But it's an alfa so all is forgiven lol.
I manually shift my GTI on occasion. The DSG listens pretty well. Sometimes just for fun, sometimes for engine braking. Sport I use when passing if I need it.
For me Drive is too sleepy and Sport is too much so I end up using manual more than anything
This. Normal is terrible about slowing down because someone in turning in front of you and at like 20mph you try to goose it and get nothing for 3 second while it builds boost lazily.
Then in Sport it's constantly downshifting each gear with a jolt and holding onto 4k rpm for 10 seconds when I hit cruising speeds.
I just want a middle ground.
DSG tune is an option if you're out of/don't care about warranty. Regular drive mode in mine now with a DSG tune is perfect. It'll stay in 5th gear until highway speed(ish) around 50-55mph or so, instead of trying to get into 6th too soon and bogging down
Downpipe is in the garage, just waiting on EQT's November Boost Weather Sale.
Sounds like a plan! I've got a Stratified tune myself but I know a few people who have EQT and I've heard good things
I’d say I’m in manual mode 90-95% of the time. I pretty much only use normal mode in parking lots or truly stand still traffic. It’s so much more reactive and enjoyable to drive that way. Sport mode holds on to revs for way way too long and normal is just sedate.
Same here, I do 99% manual unless its stop and go traffic, thats when I finally use automatic eco.
My car isn't a GTI so I'm not sure if what I say applies, but the sweet spot for me is to be gentler on the inputs in Sport.
It hits the middle ground between Normal and Sport properly for me.
I keep it in D while the engine reaches operating temp. Then I generally switch over to manual. Then back to D for 'cooldown' before I park.
Edited to add, I am still trying to get used to shifting into 2nd by pushing UP on the shift lever, because I'm usually shifting while turning in first and can't reach the paddles without some awkwardness.
Definitely, i find myself using the knob during turns or a quick downshift, otherwise I try to use the paddles more. Sometimes though I do forget I have paddles and keep using the knob lol
I live in the mountains so it's easy to overheat brakes if that's all you use to control your speed. Downshifting takes some of the load out of the brakes on steeper downhill slopes. That's the only time I manually shift the auto in my land cruiser though.
It's good for uphills, too. I've borrowed my cousin's gutless Tiguan a few times and I used the manual mode to stop the transmission from constantly hunting between gears on steep uphill climbs.
My land cruiser has a "power" button that delays upshifts so I don't have to mess with it uphill.
That’s not exactly what the ECT button does
That is literally, exactly, what the ECT button does.
Doesn't ECT control throttle?
No. In fact, it stands for electronically controlled transmission. The ect raises the RPM shift points in the transmission to allow the vehicle to hold a gear for longer.
The ECT button is definitely throttle control in Toyotas, but it also adjusts the transmission. I can switch from NORMAL to PWR while cruising on the highway with the same throttle input and the car will accelerate. Flip it to SNOW and it will decelerate below the speed I was cruising in NORMAL.
It does change both.
Per Toyota, regarding the electronically controlled transmission “By allowing the engine to reach a higher rpm before shifting, the ECT button provides a quick burst of acceleration when driving.” The button does not affect throttle response other than in the way the transmission responds to the throttle.
Please, leave a comment that adds nothing of value responding to someone telling you how they use their car and it's functions. Go on, tell us again how ECT works in his Land Cruiser.
I build transmissions and own an FZJ80 as well you goofball
Yeah I kinda went off, my bad. He only said that he uses ECT to get up hills and you chimed in just to tell him how that's not exactly the case, which is pretty useless information considering it's how he operates his vehicle.
You're correct and got downvoted. Toyota also adjusts the electronic throttle input when in PWR ECT. I've tested this in manual mode flipping between SNOW and PWR in my Crown.
Our Fusion does this itself. It was weird at first, feeling the transmission downshift on a long downhill. There are times that I wish i could disable it.
Same, I keep my 4Runner in 2/3rd gear all day long going down hill from where I live. Almost never have to touch my brakes.
Newb here. Why would downshifting take load off the brakes? I'm driving manual now and learning the ropes. Wouldn't shifting down when I'm at a high speed make it lurch a little? Or lag at a low rpm?
Engine braking is basically turning the engine from your cars momentum (usually without giving it fuel on a modern car).
The wheels force the engine to turn, and it still has to compress air with the pistons and valves, so it creates some resistance.
Since the engine is still turning to circulate oil and coolant but not under any load, its actually good for it and the lifetime of your brakes too.
Read up on engine braking.
If your engine is at higher RPM's you get more engine braking. Shouldn't cause a lurch long as you use a little bit of throttle to raise the engine RPM's while the clutch is in.
Hmm interesting thanks
I sometimes do 1,2,D
In my '03 Corolla, engine braking goes like O/D (4) , O/D off, 2, 1
In my old Accord, I would often do 1,2,D3,D4.
13 years later my transmission started slipping...
I just got an auto after years of driving manual only.
I find myself really only using it to proactively downshift rather than having the car react and jerk forward. Like if I'm about to pass someone on the highway, or I'm about to go up a hill. I'll just drop a gear so it's a smooth transition
You got an auto FR-S? Oof
Oh no, the 86 is manual and I still have it. I haven't updated my flair. I have an auto Mazda3 as a daily/ winter car. Only got auto because that was the only way to get AWD.
Yeah the new 3 is hella nice. One of my friends got the fwd in manual and another got the AWD turbo
I have an automatic FRS. People like you are the reason I'm not a fan of the community. Just so much gatekeeping. I got it because my bro doesn't care for stick and my family occassionally drives it. Plus it's great in traffic and all I really care about is how cool it looks.
I have a manual Miata and the combo works for me. Now if I lived alone that'd be a different story. I'd just have an ND RF with a MT
Pffft imagine driving a car that you enjoy
I bought the manual because it’s like 1.5 seconds faster to 60. Also I DIDN’T want my brother, sister, or GF at the time to be able to drive it. To each his own I’m a manual transmission shill who will have to have my clutch pried out of my cold dead hands.
I have a 2015 Mazda 3 I'm shifting that thing just about all the time, makes it easier not to zone out while driving. You can get on the power a lot quicker than the fuel efficient auto but shifts are a a little quicker if you just slam the pedal in drive
I find the shifts pretty quick in either mode. Manual shifting around town and auto on the highway. Nice thing about Mazda is the direction of the shifting. Back for + and forward for -. Any other way does not seem natural.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's the G Vectoring thing in my Mazda 6 or what, but it always seems like it's bogged down mid-turn, so I can't power out at all in Auto.
1. S&M mode all day, all night. Nothing else like it.
2. Tried a knob once, didn’t go well. Took a trip to the hospital to remove. Paddles are much safer.
3. Gotta keep things spicy. Sometimes the regular old “D” doesn’t cut it. The noises are a plus too.
something something gas tank
Sorry, we'll pass thanks.
What was it? Advertising of some sorts?
Off colour sexual innuendo.
Just so I can have the engine spun up if I anticipate needing every horse, and it's not uncommon since I have under 200 on tap at peak.
Also handy on trails when I don't want to leave 1st gear and down mountains when I want to give my brakes a break.
In my old car I’d just floor it and do an awful impression of a Lamborghini. It then became clear why I’m single.
1. If I want some more interaction with the car I’ll go into manual mode. I don’t use “sport” for the transmission, just engine/suspension. If I’m going to do sport trans I might as well be shifting myself.
2. Paddle shifters all the way because my 189 horsepower wagon is basically an F1 car.
3. It’s fun.
How are you single? You had me at 'traded Model 3 for a '22 Clubman'
Poor “practical” decision making skills is probably part of it given my choice :)
Otherwise, not sure! If I found out, I wouldn’t be single, I guess?
pfft..nonsense..you may have saved your life or at least a fire loss insurance claim by letting the 3 go!
I would assume his decision making skills have something to do with it
>Whats your usage of S/M mode?
I use manual mode in my GTI almost every time I drive - "spirited" or not.
>If you have paddles, describe how you use your shift knob vs paddles
I use both. Usually I'll use the shifter to go from 1->2, especially if I'm making a turn from a stop. After that, I use the paddles.
>Why do you do it?
Because it's fun? Also, on my car, the automatic "Drive" mode is a bit too aggressive to upshift (presumably for MPG's). However, the automatic "Sport" mode is too manic. It will go to redline in conditions I wouldn't normally need to, and *really* aggressively downshift when slowing to a stop.
I want the car to be in the gear that I want it to be in. If I'm just in regular Drive (not Sport), it can be in 5th gear at 40MPH and under 1500RPM's. To speed up under those conditions, unless I stab the accelerator enough to make it shift, it makes a strange rattling sound (almost like a slight diesel clatter) when the engine is lugging like that.
Exact same answers for my R.
Nice! Pretty much ditto for me
I do in my CVT civic. I couldn't get a manual since the dealers I was at were looking at an insane $5k markup for a manual and I would also have to wait 3 months for the car to be built.
I have paddles so all I have to do is put it in sport mode and click the paddle to activate manual mode and I can just shift when I want. Obviously it's a CVT with fake gears but atleast it simulates gears that I can control myself
I also only drive in Sport manual mode since I don't like the drone of the CVT. I also have an exhaust on my car so I want the rise and fall of the rpms.
Whats ur mpg if u dont mind me asking?
27 city 38 hwy. On the highway I use econ mode and cruise control but I keep in in sport and use the paddles still. In the city I never have econ on or any assists and I regularly get abt 25-28 but 27 average still using sport and paddles. Also I have a lead foot so I kinda floor it everywhere.
I'll use it pretty often in my Jetta, mostly for merging. Powerband is around 5500 RPM to unleash my utterly devastating 170 horses, so I've gotta keep it in 3rd to merge up to a decent speed on shorter or uphill ramps. I can choose sport mode which changes shift timing to be later, or have a little more fun with the slap shift.
I pretty much exclusively leave mine in M unless I’m in heavy traffic as drive takes to long to wake up if you need all that raw power (mines only 150) in a pinch. But sport mode likes to just go full blast when it’s really hilly which isn’t needed.
I only put my macan in M when using sport plus mode. Sport plus is pretty hardcore in that even with 10% throttle it won't shift until ~4500rpm. That's a bit ridiculous so I put it into M to shift when it's holding the gear too long
1. I hardly ever put it into S mode, since that *stacks* with being in Sport or Sport+ (and Sport+ is already pretty much too aggressive for most street driving). I'll put it into S mode if shifting by paddles in Sport since it'll not revert to auto mode if I do that (ie: it will stay in the manual shift mode and not revert to D). In Sport+ there is no need since hitting a paddle keeps it out of auto mode indefinitely.
2. I don't use the shift knob other than to go into R or D, or knock it over into S. I don't shift individual forward gears with it. I use the paddles for that.
3. I'll use the paddles for holding a gear or engine braking on mountain passes most often. I live near the mountains. I'll also use them occasionally briefly to downshift and hold a gear through a corner I want to accelerate hard out of when I'm in Comfort mode (as it'll upshift early in that mode).
I had a 2017 230i and that thing was a blast in sport mode with manual shifting. I'd abuse the shit out of it through the twisty stuff.
How about on turns? You use the paddles still or just let the RPM ride?
My Audi TTRS lives in S/dynamic. At first I would shift myself with my paddles, but my DCT is so fast that I’ve found it does a better job than me haha. The only time I use the paddles is when I’m driving less than 30, I’ll upshift to third so my 5 banger doesn’t rattle all my neighbors as I drive by, and when I’m driving down steep grades.
Last of its kind! Great purchase :) Almost got one myself I was looking at a nardo grey with carbon fiber package but I have a RS3 in the family so it didn't make too much sense
I don’t think you went wrong w/your GTS 4.0 my friend.
1. I use padding shifting mode probably 70% of the time. I like to downshift when coming to a stop, even during gentle driving. If I'm in sport mode, I always use the paddles.
2. I always use the paddles. I only use the shift knob if I'm mid-turn and don't know where the paddles are (this only happens at low speeds, like turning right at a stop sign/red light).
3. It's still fun! I also bought a DCT and this way I get to enjoy the crisp and quick shifts. Plus, downshift engine sounds.
I drive my Evo in the manual mode practically all the time after it's warmed up after a cold start a bit.
1. I... shift gears.
2. I use the shift knob mainly when I drive relaxed or I'm coming out of a sharp turn and reaching the paddles isn't convenient. Otherwise it's mostly the paddles.
3. The TC-SST gearbox in the Evo is programmed in such a way that driving in the S-Sport mode has the quickest pressure ramp up so it's the best way to prolong the clutch life.
I drive in normal mode (no manual shifting, normal gearbox mode) only on highways because in Sport or S-Sport the 5th gear is always preselected whereas in Normal the 5th gear is disconnected when you are cruising.
I've driven mostly in Normal-auto when I got the Evo, because I had a 1st gen. Outlander before and I was not used to the power and thought that using the paddles was more for the spirited driving or for the track. But then I was educated on the clutch life situation and started using the S-Sport more and more; it's a habit now, I do it automatically and don't think about it.
The S-Sport mode on the Evo has a 1:1 throttle mapping, no percentage fuckery and it bucks like a fucking donkey when you shift at low-ish RPM under heavy throttle, but otherwise I can't even understand how I drove in Normal before because the S-Sport is so much more engaging, screw the comfort, this car isn't comfy anyways, haha.
I still think the claims of the accelerated clutch wear in the Normal mode are slightly exaggerated, after all the final clutch pressure is the same in all the modes, you can only influence the pressure ramp up rate via the tuning and they never cracked the Getrag TCU so there's no way to increase the pressure outside of some mechanical modification. I dunno how that works though. The motorcycles have the same wet clutch system and they do just fine, so if you don't go WOT in Normal and switch to Sport/S-Sport when not cruising the clutch should be fine.
Sorry for this wall of text, I've spent many a night researching how this gearbox/car works and couldn't resist to share given the very appropriate topic.
Truck? Never. GranTurismo? Always.
Is M-mode on my Infiniti G37 all the time. Mostly because the trans is so damn slow to downshift for an overtake. And it shifts into 5th at 25mph... So M mode it is!
I have a PDK, so pretty much 90% of the time. It’s so good sometimes I forget I’m not actually an F1 driver.
I switch to 'M' on twisty stuff (Subaru CVT) or passing.
How does M work on a cvt? (My job car has a cvt and i’ve never tried in case I mess up) (plus they have data recorders that track that kinda thing and they’d ask me why it was necessary to change out of D)
On my cvt, the 'gears' don't overlap as much as manual, ratio-wise. But, you can put it in a good range to use minimal throttle/braking in certain situations.
Also, super good for passing. Even in auto-mode, I can kick it down 2 'gears' to pass, then the computer puts it back in auto.
Driven normally, CVTs kinda suck. But, drive to their limits is fun.
P.S. Wanna save gas? Accelerate to speed vigorously, then back off totally, then put pedal back to cruising position. Revs drop, speed maintained, pocketbook happy.
Edit: accelerate as vigorously as you prefer to.
On the topic of a manual cvt, I’ve heard the hilarious idea of using basically a boat throttle to manually adjust the gearing on a cvt instead of using simulated gears. It would either be really fun or a complete disaster.
Hubcentric continuously variable bicycle transmissions are a thing, and it is a twist grip on the handle. Worked pretty well on the one I test rode.
Can you explain 'boat throttle'? Is it full on or full off, nothing in between?
No boats that I'm aware of go full on or full off, that doesn't make any sense and you wouldn't be allowed in the no wake zone.
By virtue of being a "throttle" it's got to be variable between 0-100, just like a car throttle, especially in this case where it's being used to operate a CVT. A boat throttle is a slider that you grip with one hand and move it up to open the throttle and down to close it. Half way between up and down would be 50% throttle (in theory).
Gotcha. Run the Cvt on a slider.
Mine just holds the set gear ratio until you shift or hit the rev limiter then the cvt changes the ratio to another set ratio. It just uses a series of 6 preset rations and the paddle shifters let you switch between them.
To be fair the reason I enjoy this cvt so much is that when driving in a city it is never not ready to nip into a gap. Mine seems snappy enough compared to an auto because it just allows it to rev a lot more in a moment. It’s actually made me consider getting one myself
I have a '20 civic 2.0 and the sport mode has more engine breaking, and has set ratios so almost gears. I've only ever experienced 3 shifts though
Use it all the time in my Golf R. I use a combination of the paddles and shifter. Typically will hit the shifter to upshift if I'm making a turn from a stoplight or some other situation where I need to turn the wheel a lot and also shift. Otherwise use the paddles.
DSG IMHO is awesome. It lets you have fun setting up for curves/apexes, whenever you feel like it. Hard to explain, but with a (true) manual, you can definitely drive it lazily -- like you're just going to the store, not thinking about wringing performance out of the car. But then if you suddenly want to get precise and nail your shifts you have to kind of "wake up" and pay more attention and really think about what you're doing. With the DSG, you don't have to switch into hyper-perfect-shifting-mindset-mode, you can just decide 'oh hey this would be a cool curve to get a little racy on,' and then go for it. I don't think I'm doing justice to the idea here... hopefully other DSG drivers know what I'm saying.
Quite often, the dct is good fun I find and paddles are nice when pushing on.
On my 2017 Mazda 3, I shift my auto myself mainly because I love hearing my engine whether it's reving to the moon or blipping on a downshift. It helps that, that 2.0 skyactive-g is a nice sounding 4 banger.
I drive a manual but when I borrow my sisters Automatic Mitsubishi RVR I would manually shift when merging on highways becaause the car was completely gutless. Also, I find it very odd that you can get a RVR with paddles.
I did drive a GTR around a track and found myself having the most fun using the paddles.
I have a DSG, so yeah.
I drive it like I would a manual, but without having to do all the manual things.
I use them a lot. For traffic, hard driving, downshifting. I leave it in auto mostly though, it’s a lot easier to put all my attention on the cars around me than the shifter as I join a freeway and get over to the left for example. My favorite use is to downshift at lower speeds and listen to the pops and bangs, top 3 favorite things about my car.
I usually just shift via engine and exhaust sound when merging + lane shifting to the left :)
Great car.. had test driven one but family already has a RS3 so dropped the idea.
1) I do it once in a while to have some fun. It happens maybe once every few months as I rarely feel the bug for spirited driving in my grocery getter.
2) I use the knob over paddles, tho the knob really does suck. It wasn’t designed with sporty driving in mind and shifting up requires you to push it up while shifting down is well, down. I’m used to the reverse, which is what makes sense for sports cars.
3) See #1. It’s usually when I’m driving by myself on either a lonely stretch of highway or a particularly fun twisty road.
I use sport mode in my car when I want to have more fun. I like hearing the engine growling and more having a more responsive throttle.
I use them to downshift to pass someone quickly, or to downshift when engine breaking like around some tight corners or down hills. It is a CVT so it is choosing through 7 present gear “ratios” when I downshift/up shift. It still does accomplish the same thing as a regular auto with paddles would do. It does shift instantly so that is pretty nice!
I use the paddle shifters form time to time, but my car has a pretty torquey turbocharged engine and a super wide power band, so they aren’t REALLY that useful. But they do add some fun 🤩
I almost exclusively drive with manual mode. My model is not equipped with paddles, but I could install them if I wanted. I do it for fun.
I use it in my Toyota to take advantage of the power offered at higher RPMs.
I can’t stand driving my highlander around unless pwr mode is activated and I’m in S mode.
S8 on the tranny is almost an Easter egg, you have to go into S mode and then upshift 4 times. But makes freeway driving a lot better.
My Mustang is an auto and the only time I shift it myself is in heavy traffic, easier to control speed without braking every 1.5 seconds. Works better than an actual manual (like my Si) in this regard.
I use it all the time because I prefer manual but my car I have is not a manual so I am stuck with using it I just prefer using the manual mode for what I like to call more control
I manually shift mine when I'm on a good road trying to have fun. Makes it a bit more engaging, gives me a little bit more control, just generally a better experience. And because I don't have paddles it feels like I'm shifting a sequential
I always select the ‘Sport’ mode in my SUV because it helps a tiny bit with throttle response and lane changes.
The only time I routinely use manual shifting is when I go away on the weekends - it’s about a 2 hour drive with much of it on a twisty mountain road with sharp turns…To make the drive slightly less boring, I hold gears and downshift into corners and stuff.
I downshift when need engine breaking while towing. Granted, not a lot, but it's better than riding the breaks and suffering from break fad.
Pretty much 100% of the time I drive my car, just because I like using the paddles and telling the DCT what to do.
I've owned three cars in my life (Jetta 1.8t, GTI mk6, TTS) and I've shifted all three, probably 95% of the time. I think it's a habit I got into in the Jetta and I've been doing it ever since. Thanks for asking this question, I've always been curious if other people drive like me!
1. I drive exclusively in S.
2. My car only has paddles. No shifting from the knob itself.
3. It's more fun, idk how to drive stick and my car is tuned for it. I even spent a lot of money for [aftermarket](https://i.imgur.com/rdKgm4c.jpg) carbon fiber/adjustable shifters. The OEM plastics weren't cutting it.
I exclusively drive with paddles in my DCT M2. To me, it's a great balance between being able to choose your gears like a manual car but not having to deal with a clutch. No, it's not because I can't drive stick (I have other MT cars I can drive when I want). With paddles, I can control shifting where the auto wouldn't have predicted that I wanted to do something. Plus the added comfort of knowing I can always throw it in fully auto and let it do its thing if I'm on a phone call and it's raining and traffic is horrible. I always use paddles and not the shifter because it doesn't feel as rewarding. The shifter is actually a bit plastic-y in the M2. The paddles have a more satisfying sensation and feels more responsive, even though it wouldn't surprise me if response time was the same. Above all, paddle shifting is more fun and engaging to me than fully auto mode.
>To me, it's a great balance between being able to choose your gears like a manual car but not having to deal with a clutch.
Ah glad im not alone here. My third pedal purists friends think this line of thinking is mostly horseshit. But I think it really makes sense. I was driving around today in M mode and from a red light I wanted to chug some water. After I opened the bottle the light turned green so I just threw it into D and drove while I was busy then put it back into M after.
1) 00 XKR has sport mode always engaged otherwise it starts in 2nd. 07 XKR is almost always in just drive. Maserati is usually in sport. VW is drive.
2) No paddles in 00 XKR or VW. I rarely use them in the 07 XKR because the car is torquey is usually in a good gear for acceleration or downshifting automatically is fine. 08 Maserati is usually in drive, but sport mode. I usually drive that with the giant paddles which are nice and keep the engine more where it needs to be since the torque isnt as strong as the XKRs down low.
3) Keep engine revs where I want them.
I do it regularly but not frequent. I have some good back roads close by that using paddles on a spirited drive makes it more fun for me. I also like hearing exhaust sounds at certain RPMs when shifting or at certain gears & speeds.
I do. The paddles in the ZL1 especially are honestly very responsive. They’re not *completely* DCT responsive, but they’re close.
I used to exclusively drive in manual shift mode as I craved having a more engaging driver experience. In the car I drove mainly it only had the shift lever to select gear, another I drove had both paddles and a lever. In the one with paddles I would do the 1st to 2nd gear change with the lever because it was a pull down to upshift so it kind of felt like the 1-2 shift in an actual manual, but the rest of the gears I used the paddles for
I now have an actual manual car and when I drive automatics I only drive in auto mode because if I try to use a manual select mode my left foot instinctively goes for a non-existent clutch and usually catches the brake pedal, pushing it to the floor
You can switch gears on my s60 manually, but I leave it in sport mode for the throttle response, and gets rid of a bit of rev hang
Exclusively drive in manual mode with paddles. Alarmist never put it in auto.
I drop to sport and let off the gas when I see five-0 in the mirror. Sport is otherwise useless in a 1.5L engine pushing my fat ass down the road.
If I feel like tanking my MPG in favor of making noise it's Sport+ and Manual mode. Otherwise I just leave it in Normal Auto.
When I had my 2010 Mazda6 2.5, I used the sport shift quite often. Especially for highway driving (passing). On my 2016 Genesis sedan 3.8, I very rarely use the paddles, practically never the knob. In sport mode, the transmission is usually aggressive enough, and 8 gears is too many to bother with. Though on twisy roads, really just worried about 2-6.
I do it pretty often, I still need to learn that the computer is usually better at choosing gears than I am.
I almost always shift mine, because I don't agree with it.
I recently bought 2nd car to driver to work and back (2006 mazds 6s) why the hell did they make so when you shift down it changes gear up and up shift to change gear down.. I'm already screwed up few times going wrong direction now I just leave it in D.
When you accelerate, your body naturally moves backwards.
When you brake, your body naturally moves forwards.
The orientation of the shifting is empathetic to weight transfer/momentum.
Exactly. Mazda is one of the few that got it right.
I had few tiptronic cars mostly Vw and audi and none of them where backwards like the mazda ..
VW/Audi think the upside-up/downshift-down is more intuitive for regular drivers. So does Toyota/Lexus.
BMW and Mazda do the opposite, they think it’s more intuitive to follow physics.
Depends on the brand and what they’re going for.
FWIW the current gen cayman now has momentum matching direction again, I believe the previous generations did not.. so thats one time VW/Audi/P has switched it up
Yes i do it, I do it because my transmission is broken and that's the only way my car don't do a terrible body breaking gear shift.
2014 Mazda 3 gt. I use sport mode mainly for on ramps or if I'm in fairly heavy traffic and want to make some quick maneouvers. Paddles are only ever used in passing situations. Down 2 and off it goes. I find the pedal to be a bit lazy on the car and even the up/downshifts are slow. It's a commuter car though, not the actual M3 I'm working towards
I do, but that's mostly because my car is slow as fuck and merging on the highway is a chore lol
1. I have a PWR mode but that doesn’t really do much. I still switch it on when I want to make a sick pull because it adds to the experience.
2. No paddles, but there’s an individual “gear” to put the selector knob into. Only 1 and 2 will lock to those gears.
3. For fun: I love to hear my exhaust when I downshift from 5th into 3rd. For power: sometimes I’ll need to pass and want to set myself up for it, no need to wait for the transmission to kick down or deal with gear hunt.
Every time I'm not in a slushbox without manually selecting gears, yeah. Otherwise I get bored as nuts.
I would shift around my auto e46. You had to pull towards you to shift up which felt good when I was giving it the beans and running through the gears. No practical purpose other then it made me smile sometimes. Looking forward to grabbing one with a proper 5/6 speed soon
I never use the shift knob to shift, only the paddles.
The PDK is really good at holding a gear when you're in a turn and downshifting when you want to accelerate. But once in a while, it is way too aggressive in downshifting and revs me to like 6000+ when I just wanted to go down a gear or maybe two. So I'll hit the paddles for those situations, or if I want to downshift while slowing down for an upcoming turn.
I practically drive in Sport mode almost all the time. The drive input and response feeling is much better than regular mode. I use manual mode when I want to feel a bit more sportier, and also stay in the power band - which is great for passing in an instant instead of waiting for the slush-o-matic to do it's thing.
I use my shift knob to go into D and P, paddles are for when I want to feel more sportier
In my dual clutch GTI I would shift every singl drive. Tanked my fuel economy but it was just more fun.
For heavy stop and go traffic though, it was sport mode only. The car was simply better at keeping the engine in the power and then I was and it gave consistently and substantially better performance than I could.
I only use paddles in my gtr cause auto mode is terrible even in R mode. Gets to 6th gear before 40mph.
My cayenne never touched manual mode.
I do it in my Avalon occasionally for fun.
'15 CRV SE has D, and S (sport?): D is downright dangerous in the city, or heavy freeway traffic. Horrible throttle response. S revs higher, uses more gas perhaps, but has kept me out of accidents, and lengthened my brake life.
1. I usually just flip into sport mode if I know I'm going to do an overtake maneuver in a bit. Typically does the trick.
2. I've tried using the paddles but it's honestly kind annoying to use them.
3. I don't really.
Downshift to pass.
When I had my ‘15 Camry I would shift myself. The car’s logic shifted up too quickly for my tastes so I ended up doing it myself. I also took advantage of engine braking as well.
Car had both paddles and shifter. I used both depending on where my hands were oriented on the wheel and what was easier to do.
1. usually in sport mode and then will go into manual shift mode since i get better gas mileage and have the power available when i need it on the freeway
2. use paddles for up and downshifts. use shifter at times when i want to feel like it’s a manual 🤷🏻
3. better gas mileage when in sport mode (my mini holds revs and stays in lower gears when in sport mode so gas mileage drops a ton but i like having the torque/power when cruising) compared my mpg with normal mode and full auto vs sport mode and manual shifting (leaving in 8 when cruising) and manual shift mode gets better mpg when i’m not pushing it.
How are you going to hit the redline otherwise ?
Also engine braking.
On the Genesis Coupe - always in S/M. The stock ecu tuning is atrocious. The normal drive mode is equally terrible, particularly for spirited driving.
Even in S, the shift points are just wrong and there's some delay before it goes into the next gear. Even in manual mode there's some bad rev hang before shifting, but most tunes fix these things and makes the experience much better.
I tend to use the paddles for enthusiastic driving, the shift lever for laid back driving. Just more comfortable.
Put my car in S for mountains just for shits and giggles.
I put the shifter in M if I'm stopped and need it stay in 1st to get up to speed as fast as possible when pulling out onto a busy road with small openings (see rt 1 in MA)
I use sport mode and shift myself on a fun road with nobody else in the car. Otherwise it's 95% in auto.
I use the paddle shifters on my father's Crosstrek. I vastly prefer using them to just being in drive.
I'd use paddles on the Forester if it had them.
1. When I'm making a turn and intend to floor it when I straighten the car, the transmission will upshift from 1st to 2nd, then fail to downshift to 1st when I floor the gas pedal. Lexus thought it would be too jerky or unrefined if you're going exactly 34kmh or faster, so they programmed it to remain in 2nd even though 1st is a more appropriate gear for fast acceleration. Manual mode (or hitting the paddle in auto mode) forces it to remain in 1st gear.
2. Almost always use the paddles. The shift knob is only used when I'm making a turn, the paddles are out of position, and I need to downshift.
3. Because I paid for the paddles, I'm going to use them. Also, see reason 1.
I know that paddle shifters are nowhere as engaging as a real manual. My old speed 3 is (was) still more fun to drive than my IS350 mainly because of the manual, so I don't bother trying to pretend that paddles are just as fun and engaging.
I lock my truck into 1st or 2nd occasionally while on dirt trails. Having it up shift for literally a few seconds before encountering another obstacle and having to downshift again is no good.
I never use it in my old 4 speed auto Mazda 6 because it takes so unbelievably long to shift gear and feels terrible. It's got enough power to go uphill in drive so I just don't bother
I'll downshift to drop speed for an exit ramp or a steep downhill section instead of riding the brakes. I've also had to do the 1-D-1 shuffle on the Ford AOD.
I shift in my mom's Camry to engine brake since her car shakes if I brake on the highway due to bad rotors. I also do it because I miss my car which was a manual.
Mainly when I'm driving let's say dynamically. Otherwise for engine braking and then at random times.
I only shift with the knob if I'm going to shift on a tight turn because they're steering wheel mounted paddles
Paddle shifter in the family MDX while in the mountains to engine brake on mountain pass descents. The rest of the time? It’s a 3 row SUV, why would you bother.
if I have to borrow a family members car that's auto with manual shift then yeah
kinda fun giving a q5 an Italian tune up
I PAYED FOR THE WHOLE TACH, IM GUNNA USE THE WHOLE TACH
Never touched those +/- things. Just put in D and drive.
try it ;)
Yes in a auto Passat just so i get power out of hyw on ramps so it is safer to merger; twisty roads too. I just keep it in third.
1. Probably less than 10%, I daily my Mustang and use it more when I just want to have a little fun.
2. Paddles every time. Shift knob can’t change gears, and just putting it in Sport instead makes it a more aggressive shift map.
3. Because I can control the gears, which is more fun than not.