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DreDDreamR

I’m flattered that you put Greedon so high up, and this is even before he got his deck recycler in set 6 - you are a person of culture I see!


galemaniac

i wouldn't say that, in certain match ups it can be so devistating.


DreDDreamR

Oh definitely, I’ve religiously played the deck since it came out (haven’t even tested much else apart from to know what I’m up against). If the game goes your way and you see triggers in your excessive amount of drivechecks, then you are almost certainly winning that game. It’s just, if you don’t see those triggers, the deck falls apart. I just find it interesting they put him so high up, pre set 6. Greedon becomes a whole different deck from how good the support is in the next set and I think he’s probably B tier when he gets that support.


bobm715

TFW all your favorite decks are C tier


DreDDreamR

That just means you are cultured


AinoRen

Feltyrosa my dear... Why don't they give you more support?


incers

Ghost pg... call it support cry


Captain_Bonzfip

WRONG WRONG FELTY SS TIER FELTY SS TIER WE CANT STOP WINNING FELTY CHADS THIS IS OUR TIME IM NOT CRYING YOU ARE SHUT UP


incers

Im crying with you


DarkRepulser69

Flagburg is quite high. I haven't been able to play in a while. But friends tell me it's trash


incers

Flagburgs battle door effect can steal games. Its multi attack strat is something that just works really well this format atm. Just look up youtubes


DarkRepulser69

As stated, I haven't played in a while. I also haven't stayed 100% up to date on things with the format either. As an Aqua Force main for over a decade, I built the deck day 1 of release and chose to stick to it because it's the closest thing standard has to Aquas next to Magnolia (which I also built but haven't touched since Flagburg) which plays similarly to G-era Thavas. I'm just glad to hear my baby Malestrom x Tetra-drive is performing well outside of a highly competitive friend group telling me it's trash


Expensive_Community3

You may wanna check back on the format since they juuuust anounced Mael for D.


DarkRepulser69

I've heard since then. I'll likely stick to Flagburg and build Maelstrom as a fun deck unless it's absolutely bonkers


alexman113

Are all the colab decks intentionally bad by Bushi or are they just unintentionally poorly designed? It seems like the one Shaman King deck was good by accident based on every other crossover deck.


WhyNotClauncher

I disagree with Gravidia being S tier. I think it's A tier, maybe somewhere in the middle. The issue with the deck is while your hand can be t h i c c, you only have 3 attacks that aren't particularly big, and the grade 3 that swings for 2 needs you to retire 3 things or no crit for you. Couple that with the overreliance on triggers despite having no way to put them back or stack your deck and you have a deck that can sack your opponent super hard or get blown out without much trouble. Not to mention not being able to persona ride sucks and you have to run a bunch of cards with no guard value (both grade 3s, meteors, etc.) in order for your deck to work. People keep piping up about how broken the deck is and having played it myself, I really don't see it. Granted I don't play the Orfist rideline, but even with it, a lot of the core problems are still there.


RunicCerberus

Man there is basically nothing I agree with from C tier and up, jfc


Blackwhaled

I think Thegrea and Bav should be a bit higher and Tamayura slightly lower. I really think Prison is A tier at best. Sure 25k and a Crit to your front row is scary, but most people know how to play around that by now. I'm happy to see Bastion being recognised as a good deck. Dark Strain may be dead, but Lagrelle High roll can make it up. I would pull him down to high B though. Apart from Prison, pretty solid list Edit: Eugene and Willista definitely don't belong that low in the E tier. They are not top tier decks but Willista has a great 4th attacker now and Eugene is pretty ok too.


MonkoeyMan

I am a eugene and willista player when not playing meta in tournaments. I adore those two decks but they're awful. Eugene has no pressure. all the draws in the world cant save a deck from only 3 attacks and a crit on vanguard. Willista can't do anything of value without decking out. Sure a weak 4 attacks is okay but its not better than what alot of other decks can do.


incers

I agree as an all lyrical player i gave wilista 4 weeks of only playing the deck by itself looking at my resources and seeing what i can improve about it and the problem isnt the deck its wilista herself. She just really bad her ever lasting saphire skill is really bad and there isnt any way to recycle without killing your hand


Dramatic_Frosting124

Agreed, shes my fav LM rideline and can safely say they fked her up from the start. How do you think they will fix her(if they will that is) in LBT04? I wouldnt dare to dream of a g4 wilista so maybe a crossride?


incers

Cross ride or an alternate ride with a more versitile effect


just_Okapi

Agreed on Prison. People have knowledge of the matchup now, and our support lately has seemed to be trying to entice us into playing a more aggro game (which I'm open to, I've bought playsets of everything, but talking myself into resleeving double-sleeved cards with Bushi inners in that quantity is not going well). Combine more experience with the Heal triggers with a bonus against 2+ nontrigger Crit and it's just not as strong as it used to be. Still very good and consistent though. Gravidia, on the other hand? Fucking SS tier, no questions. There's just nothing you can do about that goddamn deck in too many situations.


rainbowstriker_

yeah i think i agree with this


djgatewood

Why is Bruce's grade 3 and grade 4 mentioned separately but the other ones with grade 4 upgrades are all just one?


Blackwhaled

The playstyles of G3 and G4 Bruce are different enough to call them different decks. G3 does battle phase calls, has better board control and draws a lot, G4 focuses on just making your front row big and threatenting and swinging twice with them


your_reddit_lawyer28

Because Bruce is the only g4 deck where the g3 version is actually good enough to justify being used over the g4,and in set 6 the g3 Bruce build becomes better than g4 with Julian. Nirvana,bastion,prison and magnolia are all objectively worse without their g4(tho magnolia may change due to the persona ride buff in set 7)


PlacetMihi

What’s the persona ride buff in set 7?


your_reddit_lawyer28

In set 7,there is a new g1 that allows your persona ride to also apply to the backrow,effectively making your persona ride a free 60k power instead of just 30k as it applies to all units


MonkoeyMan

because the bruce grade 3 build is enough of a separate strategy to consider it. the other grade 4's don't really have separate builds that are popular. its just confusing because they kinda perform at a bout the same level


CheddarBoss5707

Is this Tier list for OCG or TCG players ?


MonkoeyMan

TCG. current format


NightmareMoon32

Bit of a nitpick, but why do the other collabs get each ride line separated while Touken Ranbu is all grouped under Kashuu? ..Now that I think of it, it's probably because every rideline in the nation belongs in Abyss tier.


MonkoeyMan

that's entirely it. they're all equally awful and not worth anyone's time


NightmareMoon32

Basically no reason to play any of them, they're all just worse versions of other decks I have a friend who got into Vanguard solely for the Touken Ranbu collab and I feel bad for them


Luna2648

Finger crossed next touken set give them a boost


FL2802

Seraph being S is confusing,why do you place it so high?


MonkoeyMan

Tournament results. Players keep saying you can just play around it, but for some reason or another it tops more than enough to hold its place around there.


incers

Cant wait for michu.


imafraidofgrass

How is Magnolia not C tho?


incers

Because while g4 magnolia lost inlet. G3 still can use it.


xSlutKitten69

Snow as S and Yoh as C. Yeah list is flawed af


ATCrow0029

I'm interested to see if Herminia crawls out of The Abyss with set 3 support.


atti1xboy

What have I missed with Kairi that’s suddenly put her so high?


MyLeifisthebest

The grade 4?


atti1xboy

Ye


seagullenalt

Nice list…however there is one problem I have with it….Eugene isn’t S tier


AkaVirtual

What makes flagburg A tier? Last i checked it was practically C or lower


Expensive_Community3

Why ma boi Overlord so low tho?


galemaniac

D and below could also be called the "Promo" tier


C_hazz266

I just started playing a Vanguard because of the Shaman King Crossover. I made a Joco deck and it's really fun and it's done really well for me so far. I'm about to take it to a local tournament of mine on Saturday. The only matchup I've had trouble against so far was the Magnolia and Youthberg


C_hazz266

Also I may be blind but I don't see A Hao deck


Darklorel

"eva in D tier" ​ oh boy oh boy


ShinWukong

Before the promo and bt06 support , pretty much


Darklorel

Ah makes sense then


F3nRa3L

Without the promo order. I think its around there.


Veku97

Flagburg list please


AppearanceOk8985

Eva should be in a tier minimum !!! With the promo 😭


MyLeifisthebest

This isn’t with the promo


AppearanceOk8985

Yes sniff


incers

Wheres sho?


Tall_Pea6969

I agree on some and disagree on others like I think Powerful is a lot better than Wilista Prison is also lower tier than Kairi and Gravidia, though I do think it's better than the rest of A tier