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After the Revolution, Chapter 6 [PDF]

After the Revolution, Chapter 6 [PDF]

glycophosphate

I really have my finger crossed that we can get through Sasha's story without there having to be a rape scene. I'm really getting tired of rape scenes in fiction.


probablyrobertevans

as a rule i won't be commenting on questions about forthcoming plot details, but i feel the need to respond to this over my years as a journalist, and as a person, i have sat down and heard the accounts of dozens of rape survivors, male and female, on multiple continents rape is a part of the heavenly kingdom as it was a part of the islamic state but i will not be writing descriptions of it into my books.


Roedom

Thanks for the reply. Its a damn difficult subject to write about in fiction and not get criticized either for making it gratuitously graphic or glossing over it like its no big deal.


glycophosphate

Thanks for letting us know. I really appreciate it.


El17ROK

Thank fuck


dontblieveitsaSWATCH

Thank you. This relieved an anxiety I didn’t realize I was holding onto and weirdly now I’m crying. But in a good way? Idk. Stuff to unpack. But big thanks.


Madness_Reigns

I do too, but I get an "European Teenager Runs Off to Join ISIS" vibe and that never ended well. I'm sure Robert knows better than to write a shock value scene and if it comes to that it'll be threated with respect. Hoping the story goes with her fleeing just before it happens and Roland get's her out of there with extreme prejudice.


renesys

This is cyberpunk, so she might be driven to reevaluate her decision and take revenge on her abusers. Strong violent females who come from abused backgrounds are kind of a tradition in the genre. I would be more into her saving herself than if Roland or Manny did.


Madness_Reigns

Yeah that would be more satisfying. I guess I just want Roland to "circumcise" someone that really deserves it.


renesys

I got money on the Pastor Mike guy.


Roedom

On the one hand I'm sure Robert will want to convey all the horrors of war and hypocrisy of "Religious" fundamentalists when it comes to morals, but on the other hand he's smart enough not to go to the tired trope of "innocent girl raped and finds out how the world really works..." So my best prediction that there will either be a rape of Sasha "off screen" so to speak.....or a rape of a character sasha meets, maybe another runaway like herself. Just spitballing.


Madness_Reigns

I'm rooting for her story to intersect with Roland's just after her forced marriage and he gives her husband let's say a bit deeper circumcision than he usually does, before their "honeymoon". It's bound to happen, we all know Robert's love for mixing weddings and war weapons.


Roedom

I think that would be too much of a Deus ex machina. She will have to go through some kind of trauma I think....physical or otherwise. It would be lazy writing imho to just let her "learn her lesson" and escape all harm. My thought is that afterwards she may be denied re-entry to AmFed. Kind of like those "Isis brides" to the UK. So she will be left in the Christian States unable to get to her family....and having to salvage some kind of a life in a religious community after shes lost her faith or at least not having the type of faith she used to have.


Madness_Reigns

In these types of stories, the character arcs tend to converge, but I don't pretend to know how it'll go or to be a writer. If I tried it'll probably come out looking like Benny's book. It doesn't have to be a deus-ex machina if it's established that Roland's mission will take him through the place she's held or she fled to for example. Maybe he doesn't rescue her, but she just slips away and follows his path of rampage to freedom. She won't easily get to Amfed territory, but she might just be accepted in one of the more anarchic settlements. There will definitely be psychological trauma as I don't think Robert would gloss over that. Physical most probably, you don't follow a demi-god through a warzone easily.


renesys

In these type of stories, women often respond to abuse by wiping out their abusers and getting the fuck away, to take care of themselves and never take shit from anyone again. Edit: oh, damn you are the same person I said almost the same thing to a minute ago.


Roedom

Sure, I dont disagree. This could be a very probable turn of events. I think you're definitely correct that trauma will be involved. I believe that there is no positives for anyone involved in war...its all trauma to some degree or another whether civilian or military and either physical or psychological or both. Only positives from war go to the people that profit off it and never actually set foot on the ground.


Burnnoticelover

I don’t really care that much. With people getting shot, bombed, foreskin chopped, and shot again it doesn’t seem like rape should get sacred cow status. It’s a war zone where anarchists shoot it out with religious zealots. Bad stuff is gonna happen.


southoutwest

Great chapter. I feel bad for Sasha.


drunkbeforecoup

I was so ready to not like her but after this chapter I'm just sad.


Quinn_tEskimo

Agreed, great chapter. My heart breaks for Sasha and Manny but my heart really just yearns for the drug fueled cyberpunk insanity of Roland.


southoutwest

Same. Id love a spinoff of Roland just going around doing acid, killing evil CEOS, and taking foreskins from people who yell at him for building a shack in the middle of a public park.


Nasturtium_Lemonade

This is the best chapter so far. I spent all of my teen years in a very fundie church. I don’t think I even fully realized until much later as an adult (years and years after I was out of there) how much it broke my spirit as a young woman. My siblings and I have a funny anecdote that we often joke about. When I was about 14/15, I couldn’t go swimming (fully clothed, we couldn’t wear suits, even with just other girls) because a church counselor at Bible camp wouldn’t let me use a tampon. She told me I needed to “save that for my husband”. Even at the time I knew it was ridiculous. But there’s another story I have during that time that I don’t talk about much. It involves a chapel service where a grown man from our church spent an hour in a room with 20 preteen and teenage girls, screaming at us about how dirty we were, and wicked. He had found out some of us talked to boys on the phone or some dumb bullshit. I was terrified. All of us were sobbing, scared and confused. I still can’t think about it without my heart beating out of my chest. That wasn’t even that out of the ordinary. I’m really glad that this point of view is part of the novel. I fell like the character is really well written so far. The way the creeping doubt is starting to set in is so familiar to me. I’m looking forward to seeing how the storyline progresses.


renesys

That really sucks. Good to hear you got through and can joke about it now.


Nasturtium_Lemonade

It did. I know I didn’t have it nearly as bad as some. But you really think about these things more as you get older and realize how it’s shaped you as an adult. Some of it really was funny though.


Roedom

I'm sure someone has mentioned it before but Sasha's story has a very "teenagers sneak out to join ISIS" vibe. I'm sure it has happened in other conflicts as well but I wonder if that's where Robert got the inspiration. I'm guessing she will be given as a "wife" to one of the Heavenly Kingdom commanders who will probably not be Alexander. Very sad to watch this story unfold.


El17ROK

Ah, fuck.


TheAmazonPod

Idk if the city Franklin is suppose to be Franklin VA but lemme tell ya, that place sucks.


KidKaz

I am very, very afraid for Sasha and also very disappointed in her at the same time. Excellent book so far, Robert.


youtheotube2

Phenomenal fucking book; I listen to every chapter like three times in a row when they come out and frequently go back to old chapters afterwards to reference old plot points.


TerraTorment

Sasha's story makes me think of Muslim women in Western countries who went to go join ISIS and were shocked to find that ISIS was full of fash


Spe1983

Never realized how badly I need a sermon on Macheticine from the good Reverend Doctor.