By - ChishNFips87
I know The Dark Knight winning seems basic, but it's elite with this much cultural impact for a reason.
I really enjoyed ‘The Batman,’ and I’m really excited for the next one - but this isn’t even a contest.
It's simple, we kill THE BATMAN
If it‘s so simple, why haven‘t we done it already?
If you’re good at something, never do it for free
How much you want?
No I’m not
Look, listen pretty soon uh, little Gamble here, won't be able to get a nickel for his grandma
I’m puttin’ the word out. 500 grand for this clown dead. A million alive
We should throw a rock at him!
It was a big rock
That’s like the best comment ever!
Well, I was tonights entertainment.
Then your gonna love me!
ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN!!!
I really really really like the Batman but TDK is simply my favorite movie of all time.
My vote has to go to The Batman but that said, The Batman is freaking awesome.
The Batman making it this far is already an achievement, felt like a perfect Batman film but sorry, it’s time to make way for the masterpiece
As much as I loved the new Penguin, TDK is iconic. So ... The Battinman for the Lose.
The Batman is the better Batman story
The Dark Knight is the better overall made film
Both are amazing films that does Batman justice. I could tally whats right and wrong with each film and in my opinion they'd be pretty tied in quality. So I'm going to go with my feelings on this one and go ahead and vote The Batman. TDK still holds a special place to me.
I don’t get why people repeat this. It’s such a trite line, and it’s basically a way to say “The Dark Knight is better, but I prefer The Batman”, which is fine, but just say it. The Dark Knight is one of the best Batman/Joker stories ever told, it’s definitely about Batman lol
It's repeated a lot but I don't think that it means it's wrong,I already prefer Pattinson's Batman to Bale's.But if we look at everything overall I would agree that the TDK is better
TDK is a better BATMAN story than people give it credit for
People act like Batman shows up for a cameo at the beginning and end and otherwise it's just a Joker movie. But Batman's a constant presence throughout the movie, it certainly is a Batman story where he does Batman things and faces Batman challenges.
There's not a *ton* of character growth, but I dunno... I feel like that's kinda fine? I don't always need Batman to go through character growth in a Batman movie. It's okay if he starts the movie as a good Batman and ends the movie as a good Batman. He does have *some* character growth, grappling with his feelings on Rachel and his legacy. His growth is that at the beginning, he thinks he's working towards a day that Gotham will no longer need Batman-- but subconsciously will never give Batman up-- and by the end he realizes that Gotham will always need Batman, but it may not always be the Batman he wants to be-- he sacrifices his own image as the hero for the good of Gotham. (This is completely undermined in the next movie when it turns out he immediately retired and became a recluse and left Gotham to its own devices, but whatever)
When people say it's "not a Batman movie", I just don't know what to do with that.
I think you’re misunderstanding the intent of the statement. The dark knight as a film is phenomenal. Great story telling, excellent cinematography, beautiful creative vision. But it isn’t super accurate to the source material (not that it has to be)
The Batman is a much closer representation of the traditional comic book character and feels a lot more like a Jeph Loeb story than a blockbuster film.
I don’t agree with the statement fully, I actually think both films are on about the same level for various reasons (and very different reasons) but the statement isn’t saying that Batman is a worse film necessarily. Just that it feels a lot more like the traditional Batman.
Trite line? Ouch. Literally this was my original thought after watching The Batman for the first time. I was the first person I ever heard put it that way. Please don't tell me what to say. I said what I wanted to say. Both films are about equally enjoyable to me, so I chose the one that meant a little bit more to me. Not because of the quality of the film itself. I don't disagree that the Dqrk Knight is one of the best Batman / Joker stories. And I never said it's not about Batman, my statement was that the Batman was the better Batman story.
When I was six years old, I imagined a unicorn. And this was before I had ever seen pictures or even knew that unicorns were real.
It’s still valid, this is about which one you prefer, not the objective best (which doesn’t exist anyway as no one can be objective)
What the fuck is wrong with you people…. The Batman over Phantasm?
The Batman unfortunately as much as I love that movie, to me it’s like the Good Fellas to the The Dark Knight’s The Godfather
The Batman has to go dark knight is the best
I vote The Batman,
The Dark Knight is the superior movie and story. By no means is The Batman bad, in fact it’s very well done and I would even go as far as to say it has a better “Gotham” atmosphere, but I think a lot of people are still in a honey moon period over it being the latest film. The Dark Knight shows that Bruce is Batman not because he wants to be, but because he feels he has to be, - a symbol, to ensure Gotham is not swallowed by corruption, ultimately taking the decision to declare himself a murderer just so that Gotham still has something to believe in. For me that is Batman summed up, he would do anything for Gotham. Battinson also showed his commitment to Gotham at an extent, but not to the same level for me. And don’t get me started on the Hans Zimmer score. As a complete movie I will say The Dark Knight all day, you just can’t compare The Riddler to that Heath Ledger Joker performance. Both films are the epitome of Batman films no matter who wins this poll
I like Battinsons performance better than Bales in TDK tho, and Batman was a much more prevalent character in that movie than he was in TDK, compared to their respective villains
I agree pattinson is the better batman but bale is the better bruce. Im overly shocked poeple love emo, sad, mopy bruce.
I love it because the film is set as year 2 so it works really well. The Riddler even tells him "you and I both know I'm looking at the real you right now" implying Bruce Wayne doesn't really exist in this world yet.
If he doesn't at least begin to build the billionaire persona in the second film I'll be mad but it works very well in the first film.
Meh, i just dont prefer a mopy emo bruce who is trained by his butler and lives in a tower his whole life keeping a dairy.
Im not the biggest fan of begins at all but at least he leaves gotham, gets trained by the league of shadows, comes back with a vengeance to save gotham. That seems closer to the known batman.
Both movies are good, i enjoyed the batman, but nit picking these are my issues.
I personally prefer bales but I respect it. I agree that he's techincally more prevalent but also figure that TDK is way more impactful with Batman's time because its goal of crime thriller and it also then has the great advantage of its pacing too. It's ending literally weighs on batman making the sacrifice and it's one of the best endings in all cinema so I personally felt as if batman was incredibly central to the movie
I feel you, but TDK doesn't really feel like a Batman movie. It's more Nolans take on Batman rather than a good adaptation
I refuse to let Heath Ledger carry that movie. While I can accept it's still the better "movie" it's not the better Batman movie, and I will die on this hill
I agree with you. TDK is still a phenomenal film. But I still prefer Pattinson as Batman. His Bruce Wayne will be different for the next movies. Mark my words.
The Batman; TDK is still top dog.
I’m not active in the sub, but do people not like the dark knight rises? One of my favourite theatre experiences ever
Ah, fuck. I knew this would happen. Let's be honest: every single movie of the top 3 could've won and it would've been fitting.
That being said, I vote The Batman.
The Dark Knight has become a cultural touchstone that has transcended its genre and this fanbase alike, and no matter how my opinion may fall this very second before it changes again, that's gotta count for something. If only that The Batman hasn't had time to equal it.
Edit. Sorry, I can't follow instructions.
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight.
I ain't even sorry.
Don't be. Why be sorry for being right?
The battle between rose-tinted nostalgia glasses and recency bias, GO!
That said, personally, I would go with The Dark Knight. It's a great movie, but I think it has more problems than most fans would care to admit.
Recency bias might depend on the quality of film, but nostalgia, regardless of quality, is a hell of a drug. The comments section here proves it.
Srsly tho both are tied but gotta go with the Batman but still my favourite movie of 2022 so far
I have to vote for the batman. TDK is just too good
The Batman is ever so slightly less good than TDK
But holy damn was it ever close
Sorry Patts =(
The Batman. It’s no contest. Love it toto death but The Dark Knight is one of the greatest films of all time.
Goodbye, The Batman
The Batman was a fantastic movie, but cmon, it's opponent is the Dark Knight, I have to vote off The Batman
The Batman is a great movie but not as good as the dark night. So my vote is the Batman being the lesser of the 2, not much though.
Goodbye "The Batman"
The Batman’s direction is beautiful and each scene is fun and iconic but it has a basic plot
The dark knight
If TDK wins then I can say I'm happy with the whole ranking
The batman. TDK is still the best imo.
This kills me, but The Batman is the weaker film out of the two.
Take out The Batman
Not sure I can decide between these 2. There are few flaws in The Batman.
It's just a great portrayal of Batmans early years and the scene at the end when he is holding his hand out to the people of Gotham as if saying "trust me I got you boo" and then being a beacon of light in the cold darkness as he helps them evacuate at the chopper is perfection.
Catwoman, Penguin, Alfred and Falcone were also fantastic representations of their characters and I enjoy the way Pattinson's Bruce realizes he has to become a better Batman.
That being said it does feel like it has a pacing problem that isn't there in TDK and every scene with Heath is a treat.
My only gripe with TDK is that Bale's Bruce never evolves. He never has the realization that his way of Batman is wrong or needs improving. He just always is the hero the city needs, no matter what.
So TDK stays but just barely.
The Batman has to go now, unfortunately. TDK is unbeatable.
Such a well written movie
Yes. Everything about TDK is literally perfect. A Masterpiece, that shaped a whole Generation. Easily one of the greatest Movies of all time.
Another big reason: if nowdays more movies have a chance to get nominated at the Oscars, is because of The Dark Knight. The movie industry was so shocked that the Oscars snubbed The Dark Knight that they had to change from 5 to 10 movies in the category Best Picture.
I hated the damn ferry scene plot. Every time it gets there I just want to fast forward through it.
Why? That Scene is genuis
Just bothers me. Plot wise I get it but something about the execution throws me out of the movie.
The Batman gotta go
You already know
The Batman :(
Edit: I said TDK last thread, but I watched both movies yesterday and changed my mind. I really do love both but TDK is just so damn good. I hadn’t watched it in a few years but for like 5 years after it came out I rewatched it more than I have any other film to this day. My old blu ray case is literally warn out lol.
My vote goes to The Batman
Goddamn recency bias.
The Batman is a perfectly fine movie, but seriously.... give it a few years.
I don’t recall Batman V Superman getting this level of praise when it came out. So maybe it’s not recency bias, maybe it’s just a genuinely great movie.
It’ll only get better
The Dark Knight. Its just an inferior version of Batman IMO. While I love Heath ledger, Batman comes across as too well adjusted, and doesn't do much detective work at all, nor does he seem to invent anything-he has someone else do the hard mental work in the movie.
Also, the affected Bat voice is a bit ridiculous, and his lines are cheese- "I'm not wearing hockey pads" is a lame response to a legitimate question of skill and qualifications. OG batman wore tights and kicked all the ass. "I don't have to use a gun" would've been better.
I just don't think it aged well for me. I mostly just watch it now for that Heath Ledger performance and skip the rest, even though the bank heist scene is ridiculously unrealistic. Like, there's no way a school bus would crash through a bank and be able to back out and drive away, and why would bus drivers leave a perfectly bus sized gap in the line of procession, and how could they not notice a smoking bus slip into that line?
But those Ledger performances are so friggen good that the movie almost deserves top spot on that alone, despite the issues I have with Bales Bats.
This is it. Celebrated because of Ledger. I lose interest with the ferry scene and the bat vision building scene where he finally takes down joker.
I don't think any superhero movie can top TDK
This sub really loves The Batman, huh?
The Batman, but we already lost seeing as Phantasm is gone-its the most perfectly Batman movie animated or not.
Year Two(The Batman)
Now that Phantasm, (my favorite) is gone, it's got to be The Batman
I love these both of these movies but I'm going to be honest I'm going with The Dark Knight. Gotham is non-existent as a character compared to Batman Begins and The Batman. The fight scenes aren't good. The Bale voice is at it's worst. Gotham City and fight scenes are two things in a Batman movie that can't be less than alright.
This is tough. But I have to go with The Batman for number 2.
No way I can choose now
I love both films dearly but The Dark Knight has been my favorite film since it came out in 2008. Gotta vote out The Batman on this one
Ho ho hooooo this round might just tear the fandom apart. That being said, The Dark Knight is just barely the better film, Ledger carries it tho
I’m gonna be super real I’ve debated it since the Batman came out but I finally figured it out. Neither one of them is better because they’re both equally amazing. Put them both at first!
I like The Batman more. The unbridled emotion, the mental instability of everyone involved, how fucking dirty Gotham and its people are, the big mystery that's hiding under plain sight... It just fits better into what I feel Batman is supposed to be: a ball of bad feelings like rage, loneliness, sorrow, pride and so much more, who's just trying to make sense of the world he lives in. It's why I like Earth One so much.
However, the sheer quality of TDK is insane. The script is concise and perfect. Even though I believe the whole cast in The Batman is at its A game and Pattinson goes above and beyond with his performance, EVERYONE in TDK is going above and beyond. My heart says The Batman, but my head knows TDK just is the technically better movie.
I vote *The Batman*. TDK is just too strong.
The batman was good but the dark knight is still my favorite batman movie
The Batman. I see a lot of talk about plot holes in the Nolan trilogy but I don’t think The Batman is any better in that regard. So in a heads up, TDK is still better
Looking at the comments, it's pretty obvious The Batman is going out. It's my vote as well
The Dark Knight > The Batman
Sorry, The Batman has to go, without any doubt.
Ppl are overhyping it. In 10 years, we still will watch how good Bale and Ledger looked together on the screen in TDK.
While in Batman, my favorite part is the atmosphere, and that's it, everything else was good, but far from perfect (And BTW, try to be honest and cut out Bat from the movie... and nothing changed! Yes he saved some ppl in the end but 99% of Riddler's plan worked absolutely fine, Batman did not stoped him, he tried and did his best, but still).
So we have :
1)The Batman - atmosphere, Bat's detective skills (not sure tho, Alfred was helping him with his... homework)
2)The Dark Knight - music (Hans Zimmer !!!), actors (Alfred by Caine was amazing, I love Serkis, but ... cmon), director (Nolan always knows how to show a perfect angle of the scene), Bruce sacrifices (Rachel, Batman as a hero)
As for me, it is really easy to choose. But even if I think that Pattinson Bats is cool, while Bruce is one of the worst, I love the movie and want to get Part2
About Riddler's plan working, didn't Joker literally win in TDK by corrupting Dent, and Bat had no clue about it until Joker told him?
You can literally apply your exact argument to TDK as well. The whole movie goes to joker's plan until the end, when the people of Gotham thwart his plan and Batman shows up to punch some dogs.
The Dark Knight. Both films are fantastic but to me The Batman just feels more like a Batman film. The Dark Knight’s gritty realism was perfect for the time that it came out and I appreciate it’s interpretation of the characters, but I prefer the more comic-booky aesthetic and vibe of The Batman.
Also I’m a sucker for Paul Dano, Nirvana, and gothic architecture so there’s that.
The batman. An amazingly well made film, but still love TDK.
The Batman is slightly worse. That said, begins leaving before the Lego Batman movie completely invalidates this poll lmao
*The Dark Knight* gets my vote. Both are great, but I think *The Batman* is both the better made film and the better Batman story.
I think we all know where this is going so let's just skip to the end.
How do u vote do u just comment
It's a beautiful movie, but so is TDK. And I'll be honest I vastly prefer TDK. So I need to, quite simply... Kill, The Batman
TDK, i watched both of these for the first time back to back and The Batman was just all around better to me. That being said, i don’t think it’s the best in the entire group of movies, but whatever it’s the best of the two.
Finally the Batman dies
The Batman has to be the worst between the two, The Batman has the better Batman but Ledger elevates Dark Knight above
Sorry, but it had to be done
The Batman, no questions asked
The Batman. The Dark Knight made me rethink superhero movies altogether. They don't just have to be entertaining: they can actually be as good & as epic as Ben-Hur, or Lawrence of Arabia. After DK, I had a standard that I used to judge all superhero movies by. And when Ironman came out that same summer, I waited until it came out on video because I no longer wanted just a "Michael Bay-like popcorn superhero film" anymore.
I wanted THE DARK KNIGHT... for the ultimate win.
The Dark Knight
The Batman is fantastic.
Dark Knight, cause if you see it again after many years, its just not that good actually. The Batman has every single detail in place and fits perfectly, its a better Batman movie like many have said. Cant dismiss DK ofc because it is the real daddy of superhero movies and an inspiration to many, but it just lacks something for me.
For me it’s the comic bookyness that it’s lacking. The “realistic” aspect of the movie hinders it as an adaptation imo.
They are both amazing movies and if the joker wasn’t in the dark knight then I would pick The Batman but joker wins