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sloppyjo12

When I said I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Winker again, this isn’t what I had in mind


BlueWarstar

Lol


Austin63867

Passan : $1.75 million in cash to SEA https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1598787450071093256?t=0fGjXkIxGmuhUwX87CcBig&s=19


_Elrond_Hubbard_

Sweet now we can afford Judge


istrx13

10/$1.75M seems like a nice offer to put on the table for Judge. Can’t imagine he says no to that.


jsprague6

I mean I'd love to make $175k per year


__BlackSheep

60 HRs and we'll talk


inevitablescape

The real reason for the trade


maleorderbride

Famous poverty franchise the Seattle Mariners


SereneDreams03

Just add a couple zeros to that check.


thetyler83

They got him through spring training now.


The_Cryogenetic

000000000001.75 million


allmykangbaekhomies

Dee Gordon trade all over again


Quople

Wonder what purpose this money serves


Talk_with_a_lithp

Filling the vending machines for the players


JeffafaCree

Soda's a dollar in the clubhouse?


p4ddy3D

Billy likes to keep the money ON the field.


Fleener

where on the field is my dollar


ncbraves93

It's difficult to see... but it's there.


Krispy72

It's basically the difference in salary between Wong (10mil) and Winker (8.25mil)


verendum

It's basically cashflow neutral, but Mariners come up with a +4 WAR positive according to last year stats. Why the fuck did the Brewers do this ? Couldn't they have forgo the cash and said the players make up the value difference ?


Quople

Ah okay that makes sense


kamarian91

Gives our cheap ass owners a little chub when they get some cash


Angelsfan14

Just Jerry doing Jerry things.


[deleted]

Brewers are good tippers confirmed


sanmed327

The AL west is carrying this off season


Jcoch27

Just wait until the Rangers sign Correa and Turner


vaudevillevik

You've had one shortstop You've had two shortstops But have you had *four shortstops???*


Thromnomnomok

Oops all shortstops


bordomsdeadly

I think a lot of MLB players play short stop at one point. Like, the Astros had Correa/Peña, Gurriel, and Bregman. They've all played proffessional shortstop at some point.


LakersFan15

Tbf a large # of prospects that get drafted are labeled SS. They just switch in the minors.


HellMuttz

He played quarterback in high school


DarkGodRyan

You were close lmao


Jcoch27

I wish I weren't


the_playtheist

Jerry Dipoto could carry a whole offseason by himself


drfrog82

Need preller to start and then we’ll be rolling


Rogue_Jellybean

Just wait until the A's sign Judge.


YaBoiWhit

As always tbh (last two years)


Michael__Pemulis

Mariners finally got (rid of) their guy!


T_Stebbins

Both of them. Scott/Jerry had this weird obsession with Toro and he got way more playing time than he deserved. I really worry about Jesse. I think part of the regression in his offense was playing in a pitchers park at T-Mobile. Well, Brewers Park is just as much of a pitchers park. His home vs away stats seem pretty stark to me .625 OPS at home versus .736 away. AAF's a bigger field than T-Mobile's too so that means his already god awful defense is gonna get worse a little bit. Not a good look.


Thromnomnomok

Toro's expected stats have pretty consistently been much better than his actual ones and I don't think any player has a true-talent BABIP below .200, but even if he was hitting like statcast thinks he should it wouldn't make him all that great.


PaladinGodfather1931

I have a soft spot for Toro because I traded for him in my Show Franchise and he was the 2023 World Series MVP lol


toastar-phone

[I still miss him](https://twitter.com/baseballnchill/status/1168248649052086272)


WarmBath101

Milwaukee is not a pitchers park


T_Stebbins

Baseball Refrence has it at 98/97 historically, 94/94 this year. Under 100 being favoring pitchers.


WarmBath101

Park factors are very tricky and can be argued. It is a power boosting park regardless and should help Winker I also think the division has better parks then the ALW


spacedude2000

T-Mobile is a very easy park to hit in, and by hits, I mean singles. Anything else is incredibly unfriendly. Jesse winker is a solid contact guy, he couldn't for the life of him though hit with the shift. I would love to see if there is a stat somewhere showing how many times he hit it to the second baseman in shallow right field. Has to be dozens and dozens of times this year. Imo, the shift hurt him more than anything, correct me if I'm wrong red's fans but he's never really been a power guy. I think the park was never limiting him, the defense was.


Tipist

T-Mobile is fucking great to hit in if your name is Mike Trout though.


desijazzpunk

Savant 3-year average puts Mariners park at 91 (30th), Brewers park at 100 (12th).


Andujar4CF

It's more HR friendly for LHH than Yankee Stadium!


ToplessBartoloColon

Pretty sure Miller Park is a bandbox most years


roughbeard368

I think most people consider Milwaukee to be a hitters park especially for lefties


softspaken

I'm disgusted


VeryOaty

W for the mariners finally get that 2B


SMK77

Finally finished paying that Cano money they have a 2B budget again


brandon_the_bald

I have no idea how this works for the Brewers. Like getting rid of wong I get. But I have no idea how Winker makes sense


NinthCinema

We really do just be looking at our small collection of good players and decide to flip them for other teams' dregs.


lostwilfred

If winker bounces back y’all look like geniuses though


NinthCinema

idk I just think I'd rather take the consistent 2.5 WAR than take whatever's behind door number one


xxsoultonesxx

It could even be a boat!


Rollo8173

Well and you’re losing Wong’s defense


grocho

Winker at 2b would be fun


WompaStompa_

I'd pay PPV dollars to watch that


Wiscy22

His defense was absolutely garbage last year, definitely lost the step he previously had on everyone else


yoboapp

They traded Renfroe and are backfilling with Winker I guess? Winker's underlying metrics still look good, so maybe they think he'll bounce back.


brandon_the_bald

He’s unplayable in the outfield just like yelich and had multiple surgieres in the offseason and they traded renfroe to give guys like Mitchell playing time


Nookoh1

Brewers had pretty bad production from the dh spot last season and have great defensive outfielders to rotate into the field when necessary


NorthStRussia

Our bench guys are great fielders but mediocre hitters. Backup DH is a role we struggled to fill, and where Winker will slot in if his bat wakes up.


themosey

Winker is Cutch replacement not Renfroe replacement.


_Elrond_Hubbard_

If Winker bounces back at all, he is a really valuable hitter. He was apparently battling injuries for most of last year. Keep him at DH though lol he's an atrocity in the field.


TDeLo

> He was apparently battling injuries for ~~most of last year~~ his entire career.


Warsawawa

Also the entire being separated from his daughter. Maybe being back in the Midwest/NL Central will help with that


esperadok

Buying low on two players who were pretty good in 2021. It’s a solid calculated risk for them.


the-purple-puffling

has a pretty damn good career OBP, draws a lot of BBs, who wouldn't want a player like that?


NakedGoose

One of the worst fielders in all of baseball. If they have Yelich and Winker. It legit is the worst defensive OF in all of baseball


iiamthepalmtree

Hold my beer


Frank_Gaebelein

Eloy Jimenez tripped over his shoelaces while reading this thread. Andrew Vaughn tried to catch him but missed.


TJtheShizz

but Beer plays for Arizona


iiamthepalmtree

Shit you’re right. I guess I’m the DD cuz you’ll have to hold my Colas then.


EnderCN

Yelich isn’t a good defensive player anymore but he is far from the worst either. He was 4 outs below average and -2 drs. His fielding really isn’t a big problem in LF. Now his throwing arm is embarrassing for an MLB player. That is certainly a problem.


TDeLo

He's a DH who (until this year when his splits switched for some reason) can't hit lefties and is coming off of the worst season of his career.


Michael__Pemulis

Those splits will regress. Reverse splits hitters almost always revert back.


Brutalious

Banning the shift gives Winker a good shot at turning it around.


Thromnomnomok

Toro was also pretty awful against the shift and still youngish (he turns 26 later this month) so there's probably also the Brewers just hoping they can get him to break out.


NevermoreSEA

Massive bounceback potential.


see_mohn

The brewers are being weird again


SunriseSurprise

I mean they traded their closer in the midst of a season they were in contention. Clearly they really don't think they're in contention now or near future or none of this really makes sense.


T-Rev23

They are expecting Turang to make a big impact in the bigs this year at 2nd. That’s why we traded Wong. The hader trade in the middle of the season made no sense. That is correct.


Twinkidsgoback

I thought Winker was going to rake in Seattle


Blutrumpeter

Me too buddy


TJtheShizz

To quote Justin Verlander "WHERE THE FUCK IS TORO?"


OSRS_Socks

Mariners are going hard and I love it.


TheBiggestJig

i like this trade lol


BigFatClockCrew

I feel like it's selling incredibly low on Winker. But they must really not want him back for clubhouse reasons if they're okay with not trying again. So I get it if that's the case.


TheBiggestJig

it does but i can’t imagine a change of scenery is gonna change the way he is. sad to see him go


BigFatClockCrew

Oh yeah definitely, that was my point. They must have been 100% sure that they don't think he was going to change his work ethic. I'm always scared of selling low on assets but I understand why they made the trade.


TheBiggestJig

yeah i feel that i’ll be a little bummed if goes over there and puts up like 40 HR on a .299 BA but luckily worst case scenario this trade is just okay and best case we fleeced


BigFatClockCrew

If Wong puts up 3 WAR again then yeah it would be fine as Jesse's defense would still be so bad lol.


Mrpetey22

It means we are getting another outfielder. That’s the move behind this trade


TheBiggestJig

i have a few OF id love to get not named aaron judge


Mrpetey22

Most likely Conforto or Yoshida. Maybe Nimmo or they trade for guy


LegendRazgriz

Yoshida would be good but I still hate that once again we went the cheap route to get production instead of opening the wallets, it's never easy to compete with a bottom 10 payroll


narenare658

Conforto screams Mariner outfielder to me


BigFatClockCrew

Nimmo would be nice?


SLR107FR-31

Me too


SereneDreams03

Just the thought that I never have to see Winker playing in the OF for us again makes me smile.


aznsportsfan

What are the Brewers doing?!


amatom27

Giving their prospects a chance...they have a good one for 2B


Ok-Secret-7525

Keston szn bby


amatom27

Would love to see it but his defense is atrocious lol he had 3 errors in under 100 innings at 2nd last year...but maybe this is the year they just say "here's 500 at bats at 2B, let us see what you can do". He did mash RHP last year.


magnusarin

Really feels like with banning the shift next season that this would end disasterously for Keston.


sofastsomaybe

I thought they traded Renfroe to give their outfield prospects a chance? Now they acquired another outfielder?


amatom27

They did...Mitchell and Frelick should get a chance out there. My thinking is that they put Winker in RF until Frelick and Mitchell are both ready, and then they can put Winker at full-time DH (?) man I dunno it's weird lol


hubagruben

Who else do they have DHing? I can understand this a bit if Winker/Yelich spend time at DH instead of sucking it up in the outfield


snackshack

That's pretty much it. We had Clutch last year as DH, but with him gone I think it's mostly Winker and Yeli


BrewCityChaser

We'll never know.


MattFromWork

Our best


xThe-Legend-Killerx

Mariners turned -1 WAR into 3 WAR


iamenrique123

Winkers greatest contribution was trying to fight the entire Angels team tbh


dawgtilidie

How do we measure XPunch war?


Nitropotamus

I think it falls under the DAWG stat.


coolaslando

Not sure- but I do know his *xBIRD* line was 2.000 Which is pretty damn good.


Confettiman

And we thank him for that iconic moment in Mariners history


xxgiggsxx

Yup. We would go on to win 17 of our next 19 games after that series, including a 14 game win streak. That fight lit a fire under their asses


FlightB52

reminder this is a false narrative as the mariners were already on a 5 game win streak prior to the fight


hiphopdowntheblock

I wonder if commercials will still call the park the "electric factory" since he's the one who said it lmao


AzorSomeGuy

And I’ll always love him for that


liljakeyplzandthnx

They're gonna have to change the sidebar image on that subreddit lol


G0ATJAMES

When we got Winker, did we "get" Winker's 2021 2.9 WAR?


WurstThrowEver

Ms coming up big on both sides of this deal


MoreThanLuck

Mariners add a ~2.5 fWAR 2B, and the Brewers take on a bit of salary hoping for a bounce back from Winker to slot in at DH and add another infielder? Everyone in this deal has some sort of red flag. Kinda weird.


NOLA1987

Wong for Winker and Toro? I'm not sure who this works for more.


Clarice_Ferguson

The Mariners - Winker and Toro had negative WAR this year.


AWall925

That's probably fair. too bad Toro hasn't had a good career, really liked him


disguyman

Liked him when he was an astro, he had a bad year with the mariners. Hope he bounces back


JinFuu

an Astro killer has left the West


SnipeyMcSnipe

Please take care of him, /r/Mariners. He eats three times a day and you need to declare WONG DONG whenever he homers


Sharks2431

RAISE YOUR WONGERS


Bonesaw09

Trading Winker Dinkers for WONG DONGs. I'm about it


takeoffeveryzig

>WONG DONG It's beautiful. I have looked at this for 2 hours now.


[deleted]

Congrats Brew Crew, Toro has a giant ass that you will love looking at all season. Source: me.


bajesus

There's only room for one big dumper in this town


Thromnomnomok

Unfortunately, his statline is also a giant ass, and you will not love looking at it


maxc206

What is Justin cooking?


That_Geek

Genius from Milwaukee. I know mariner fans hate winker but he’s a god in GABP and hits the rest of the NL central well too


scrapsbypap

Winker on Milwaukee feels right


softspaken

No the fuck it doesn't


MightyCaseyStruckOut

*for everyone but Reds fans*


KentuckyCactus

No it does not


TDeLo

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/753/231/981.gif


cooljammer00

You're thinking of Henry Winkler, who played Fonzie on Happy Days, which was set in Milwaukee. Easy mistake.


All-Pro-Sportz

Absolutely fucking not


Michael__Pemulis

I’ve been thinking that Wong on the Mariners ‘feels right’ ever since the rumors started popping up.


llama5876

Lmao wtf? Winner is a Red


TDeLo

> Winner is a Red Usually the Reds are losers, but I get what you mean.


let_me_solo_her_mom

Winners in our hearts


mdlt97

stop taking all the likeable players Seattle


ChrisAplin

We traded for Teoscar just to avoid him in the WC games.


istrx13

It’s like Michael Scott hiring Danny Cordray (I have no idea how to spell that last name)


Stickin8or

No


somewhatdecentlawyer

Kinda wild that the Mariners said “we want this guy” and “we don’t want these two guys” and poof it worked.


The_Throwback_King

That’s just the negotiating might of Trader Jerry in action.


bigmak818

Man, great potential in snagging Winker


all_of_the_cheese

Tell me how to feel about this Brewers fans?


spicebo1

Wong is a really consistent good player, and is one of the most likeable players I've ever seen. It's probably a riskier trade for the Brewers, with more potential upside for them. Hope you enjoy some Wong Dongs.


SecondDomice

I liked Winker a lot as a personality, sucked to see him underperform. Best of luck in Milwaukee my long neck friend Will always remember the double bird salute


jEsTsBaCk

Kolten is nice


MetaKoopa99

Ah so Winker is back in the division


bordomsdeadly

Thank goodness. Toro always showed up to play us.


BombTacos

Damm mariners, going by 2022 season, traded away -1.1 bWAR for 3.1 bWAR


inevitablescape

So the Cardinals are gonna win the Central by default it appears


MetaKoopa99

Unless Oneil Cruz hits 100 dongs this year


whoareyoupeople24

Someone tell the players to wear a cup


ZyuMammoth

I’m all about the Bucs getting a dick punch handicap.


MarinerMooseismydad

RETURN OF THE JeDi!


Nejaru

I can finally root for my boy again.


ReyReyUsko

If Winker only is a DH then this is a great move for the Brewers tbh. As a Mariners fan I am whelmed.


YaBoiWhit

Can teams stop giving AL West teams upgrades for essentially free? Winker and Toro for Wong is a steal for the Mariners Then there’s giving the Angels Renfroe and Urshela


shigs21

rules for thee but not for me


iamenrique123

You guys just (fairly easily) won the world series and signed one of the best FA available, I think you'll be ok haha


Hollywood42cards

A steal? I mean Wong is good, but I wouldn't call him great


YaBoiWhit

I mean Mariners almost everyday 2B last year was Adam Frazier who put up 0.9 WAR and a .612 OPS. It’s not a big move but its a big upgrade in the Mariners extending their line up with an above average hitter


Killagina

Yeah I mean getting 2 WAR at 2B for not much value is great. The off-season depends on how they fill the last outfield spot, but Teo and Wong are good upgrades


Griffdogg92

Winker was playing hurt all year. He's probably going to be back to hitting very well in 2023. This trade is not that big of a steal IMO


YaBoiWhit

It’s not a big steal but going from 2022 Frazier and Winker to Teo and Wong is a good upgrade. I like what Dipoto is doing tbh and i don’t remember if Teo has any more control but these one year upgrades are big upgrades over the Mariners offense of last year. Hasn’t really given up much of value to acquire the upgrades either. Toro is what he is at this point a AAAA infielder that for some reason is extremely clutch but otherwise is ass. I don’t have much faith in Winker bouncing back but that might just be me.


Griffdogg92

Oh yeah I'm fine with the trade. Wong/Dylan Moore will be a nice 2B platoon and I didn't expect Jerry to sign a big name SS. I just think some people are looking at Winker's 22 and declaring that we gave up nothing whatsoever of value, and I personally don't believe he suddenly forgot how to hit


j1h15233

At least noted Astros killer Toro is gone


Tiberius-Dawn

Best of luck to Abraham "Where the Fuck is Toro" Toro.


whenIthinkofone

Mariners ain't messing around this off season I see.


BoysenberryAshamed59

Brewers are shaping up to have the best hitting outfield of 2017


tegurit34

Steamer* 2023 projections at a glance... Wong | PA: 525 | wRC+: 107 | WAR: 2.5 ---|---|----|---- Winker | PA: 469 | wRC+: 124 | WAR: 1.6 Toro | PA: 266 | wRC+: 107 | WAR: 1.0 (Sorry I suck at formatting) Looks even from the projected WAR standpoint, but my initial reaction is I like the trade more from Milwaukee's perspective. Winker's WAR projection is brought down by him playing left field when he should be a DH, and I'm a Toro truther even after his abysmal results last year. I think a change of scenery has a real good chance to be beneficial for both players. Wong is the superior of the three players, but this practically takes the Mariners out of the marquee SS sweepstakes which is really bumming me out right now, considering this leaves no obvious starting role for the Mariners to significantly upgrade and push for a championship run. *Corrected from ZiPS in an earlier iteration. Thanks, /u/dszymborski, creator of ZiPS.


RCarson88

No way Toro will have a 107 wrc+


GF8950

Good for the Mariners. Kolten Wong is a good 2B. Should be a great help for them.


quercus_lobata925

Seems like an awesome trade for the M's.


Nookoh1

proof the brewers front office are functioning alcoholics the trade sorta makes sense but i'm also not gonna let them drive


dawgpack09

So we’re just giving up on the SS market, awesome


eee-oooo-ahhh

Clearly saving up for Judge and Ohtani


LocalHero_P1

Brewers are a confusing org


Willsears94

Wonger's raised!


ahr3410

This is exactly how I'd expect a DiPoto and Brewers trade to look