By - aquax101
If jeter came out saying he juiced I’d laugh cause well come on lol. If Griffey did though that would hurt.
Speculation is that usage was widespread in the league and it wasn't just guys trying to get as big as possible and hit a ball 500ft... in fact you could probably benefit even more if your 350ft flyouts become 380ft HR's, because that's the difference between being a AAAA player and an MLB regular. It's very possible to use PEDs to maintain a lean build and not just go full turkey head.
you also had the andy pettite types who were using HGH to aid in recovery - likely not just from surgery but just to get through the season easier. In other words even though I don't think jeter was doping (there's zero evidence for that) it's entirely plausible that he could've been.
I mean Lance Armstrong is basically the face of doping and he looks like a member of the Wiggles. If I found out Griffey or Jeter were doping I wouldn't bat an eyelash.
Because in cycling, most of them were actually blood doping. That’s where you take out blood, store it, and at the time of the race put it back in. It gives you an extra pint of blood to oxygenate.
I didn’t realize that. So they weren’t even taking PEDs?
They were also taking PEDs. EPO etc. Practically no rider on the podium of pro cycling is clean. Go back just a few years... none were clean.
I remember stories about Arod or someone making fun of Jeter’s warning track outs saying that he must be on steroids. Pretty sure it was a team joke that Jeter was not taking steroids but you never know at different points of people’s careers and injury recovering like you said.
Yeah, Griffey's like one of the only guys from that era where I'd actually be legitimately shocked if he turned out to have used Steroids.
I mean, sure, not all Steroid Users abused them to the degree of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds. While they're great for building up muscle mass, their real key is aiding in recovery from injury, and in a 162 game season, ***everyone*** is feeling it by the end of it.
But Griffey... it's part of his legend...
My list also includes Ichiro and Chipper despite what some people say not everyone was doing it.
Griffey did admit it! I was shocked as well.
We all know Griffey never took steroids. His drug of choice was [brain & nerve tonic](https://imgur.com/LP7PKBD).
Good lord! Gigantism!
Theres like a party in mouth.
And everyone’s invited
Griffey would shatter my heart into a million pieces. He’s the guy we can all agree is clean. If that gets taken away from us, I’m willing to accuse anyone of it and honestly the sanctity of baseball is ruined.
> He’s the guy we can all agree is clean.
The fact that this is the consensus really blows up the whole "everyone did it" argument.
Or does it?!?!?!?
I think it begs the question of how we "know" that he's clean though. How do we know Barry Larkin, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, or Randy Johnson weren't juicing? How do we know Tom Glavine and Craig Biggio didn't just hide their PED usage well?
A scenario of Griffey outing usage is something I don't even want to imagine.
Yes, the thing with bonds and Clemens they started to play better at the age when players start to decline. Griffey did have a dip in product but not hitting 79 home runs at the age of 37
> He’s the guy we can all agree is clean.
I'm not saying he used, I'm just saying that 1) I don't agree that anyone from 1955-2004 can be deemed clean with any certainty and 2) Griffey's later career injury history is consistent with steroid use, which has a tendency to result in tendon/ligament problems.
Plus Griffey grew up around the game at a time when steroid use in MLB was extremely common and also completely ignored by the league, media, and public.
I feel the same for Corey Kluber tbh
They just love Kluber. Understandably so.
Did I stutter ?
Bit fucking random
He also would have probably broken every record a position player could have attained
A great deal of laughter.
I would laugh very hard
Here’s a secret: a bunch of guys start juicing in high school and have like 2-3 year careers in the bigs after workin thru the minors - Griffey Jr had God given talent, the most beautiful swing of all time, and his numbers were diminished by not being able to stay healthy late in his career. All the frauds get better at the end.
I think Griffey admitting that would break everyone's heart.
Most people would love if Jeter did because it just gives them another reason to hate the Yankees, not that they don't have enough.
It sure as hell didn't help his offensive stats.
I mean, in this hypothetical they did lol. He’d just be a more average hitter without them.
3465 hits is pretty good iirc
A career high of 24 homers ain't all that good iirc
It's fine for a contact hitting middle infielder
NOT IF HE WAS ON FUCKING STEROIDS MY MAN HIT A HOMER ONCE IN A WHILE HOLY SHIT.
How do you feel about little dee putting his numbers up on roids
I mean dee gordon was a terrible hitter lol
that's the genius of Steroid Jeter, he had the ability to hit 50 homers but simply chose to slap a base hit instead
Of course, we're staying in this realm where he theoretically does steroids.
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Not for a contact hitting worst shortstop of all time middle infielder
he's not the worst shorstop of all time he was just a not good defensive shortstop who was a good hitter for such a long time that he built up a lot of negative defensive value
So, if I’m reading correctly, you’re saying he was only able to accumulate such shit numbers at his position because of how good of a hitter he was?
yeah a worse hitter would have been taken out of the lineup but he stayed in for 20ish years
What does this mean? Jeter is arguably the best sitting shortstop of all time. He has the second most offensive war of any shortstop ever, trailing only Honus Wagner. Depending how are you era adjust, Jeter was an incredible hitter given his position.
Not to be that guy, but the guy next to him was the best hitting shortstop of all time.
I'm just saying that in this hypothetical, his power numbers wouldn't reflect that he took steroids. The HRs aren't Bonds-esque.
Maybe it did tho
I knew it!!
Probably the same way I (Jays fan) felt about Alomar.
Did you buy them at K-mart?
Yankee fans would need to prepare themselves for the onslaught of jokes.
What if: they just let everyone juice? Man it’d be a lot of fun to watch!
What if steroids were mandatory?
That’s what I’m talking about!
Probably wouldn't change, his more impressive stats were off the field, he performed everywhere! Except on defense.
Remove him from the HOF right away!
Why ? Ortiz made it in
and posada didnt!
What does posada have to do with Ortiz and jeter ?
Wouldn’t be surprised
Please. Your ass wasn't even watching baseball when Jeter played. Your "Devil Rays" flair isn't fooling anyone.
It also doesn’t surprise me people defend him blindly
Cognitive dissonance for me.
He didn’t take enough
Really confused because neither of their career stats really scream roids
Griffey hit over 600 homeruns. If I'm a guy with no knowledge of any player and am simply screening stats for potential steroid use, that's a red flag if there ever was one.
I get that since being one of the best power hitters would obviously put you under suspicion, but Griffey’s second half of his career when he joined Cincy isn’t really representative of a steroid user. Being injury prone can raise some red flags, but he also never really had any of those eye popping seasons in his later years like Bonds/Clemens did. Just a handful a solid seasons and then a pretty gradual regression.
I’m also only saying this because I believe Griffey would have put up more Bonds-like numbers if he touched a steroid and I don’t remember him bulking up as dramatically as Bonds did; Griffey mostly grew a gut
Griffey was eating steroids confiimed. I knew there was something to the well balanced breakfast.
None because I already assume anyone who played in the 90s took them. I don't care about them.
“Whoever game him steroids def didn’t give him the same ones McGwire took”
I assume that everyone from 1955-2004 was using to some degree so the only surprise would be that he admitted it.
I don't think so, if you uses steroids you can see them on your body...
I’d believe Jr. took PED’s before I’d believe Jeter did... Seriously man!