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rayskicksnthings

If jeter came out saying he juiced I’d laugh cause well come on lol. If Griffey did though that would hurt.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Speculation is that usage was widespread in the league and it wasn't just guys trying to get as big as possible and hit a ball 500ft... in fact you could probably benefit even more if your 350ft flyouts become 380ft HR's, because that's the difference between being a AAAA player and an MLB regular. It's very possible to use PEDs to maintain a lean build and not just go full turkey head. you also had the andy pettite types who were using HGH to aid in recovery - likely not just from surgery but just to get through the season easier. In other words even though I don't think jeter was doping (there's zero evidence for that) it's entirely plausible that he could've been.


TacoYard

I mean Lance Armstrong is basically the face of doping and he looks like a member of the Wiggles. If I found out Griffey or Jeter were doping I wouldn't bat an eyelash.


wovagrovaflame

Because in cycling, most of them were actually blood doping. That’s where you take out blood, store it, and at the time of the race put it back in. It gives you an extra pint of blood to oxygenate.


mrsunshine1

I didn’t realize that. So they weren’t even taking PEDs?


ronopolis

They were also taking PEDs. EPO etc. Practically no rider on the podium of pro cycling is clean. Go back just a few years... none were clean.


mrsunshine1

I remember stories about Arod or someone making fun of Jeter’s warning track outs saying that he must be on steroids. Pretty sure it was a team joke that Jeter was not taking steroids but you never know at different points of people’s careers and injury recovering like you said.


Wraithfighter

Yeah, Griffey's like one of the only guys from that era where I'd actually be legitimately shocked if he turned out to have used Steroids. I mean, sure, not all Steroid Users abused them to the degree of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds. While they're great for building up muscle mass, their real key is aiding in recovery from injury, and in a 162 game season, ***everyone*** is feeling it by the end of it. But Griffey... it's part of his legend...


RustyLickRich

My list also includes Ichiro and Chipper despite what some people say not everyone was doing it.


Thehammer1975

Griffey did admit it! I was shocked as well.


blackroseMD1

We all know Griffey never took steroids. His drug of choice was [brain & nerve tonic](https://imgur.com/LP7PKBD).


MarcBulldog88

Good lord! Gigantism!


babe_ruthless3

Theres like a party in mouth.


TaylorTrammell

And everyone’s invited


Kakali4

Griffey would shatter my heart into a million pieces. He’s the guy we can all agree is clean. If that gets taken away from us, I’m willing to accuse anyone of it and honestly the sanctity of baseball is ruined.


phrizand

> He’s the guy we can all agree is clean. The fact that this is the consensus really blows up the whole "everyone did it" argument.


AhLibLibLib

Or does it?!?!?!?


mr_grission

I think it begs the question of how we "know" that he's clean though. How do we know Barry Larkin, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, or Randy Johnson weren't juicing? How do we know Tom Glavine and Craig Biggio didn't just hide their PED usage well?


Wumbo619

A scenario of Griffey outing usage is something I don't even want to imagine.


Patrick2701

Yes, the thing with bonds and Clemens they started to play better at the age when players start to decline. Griffey did have a dip in product but not hitting 79 home runs at the age of 37


haus_der_luege

> He’s the guy we can all agree is clean. Nope.


Kakali4

Excuse me?


haus_der_luege

I'm not saying he used, I'm just saying that 1) I don't agree that anyone from 1955-2004 can be deemed clean with any certainty and 2) Griffey's later career injury history is consistent with steroid use, which has a tendency to result in tendon/ligament problems. Plus Griffey grew up around the game at a time when steroid use in MLB was extremely common and also completely ignored by the league, media, and public.


PetrPark0ur

I feel the same for Corey Kluber tbh


idkwhattosaytho

Corey Kluber???


No32

They just love Kluber. Understandably so.


PetrPark0ur

Did I stutter ?


AhLibLibLib

Bit fucking random


black-dude-on-reddit

He also would have probably broken every record a position player could have attained


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M1sterDave

A great deal of laughter.


RobotYoshimis

I would laugh very hard


smcnearney

Here’s a secret: a bunch of guys start juicing in high school and have like 2-3 year careers in the bigs after workin thru the minors - Griffey Jr had God given talent, the most beautiful swing of all time, and his numbers were diminished by not being able to stay healthy late in his career. All the frauds get better at the end.


yianni1229

I think Griffey admitting that would break everyone's heart. Most people would love if Jeter did because it just gives them another reason to hate the Yankees, not that they don't have enough.


EPCOT_Is_My_Favorite

It sure as hell didn't help his offensive stats.


No32

I mean, in this hypothetical they did lol. He’d just be a more average hitter without them.


twistedlicorice25

3465 hits is pretty good iirc


THEhiHIhi55

A career high of 24 homers ain't all that good iirc


twistedlicorice25

It's fine for a contact hitting middle infielder


THEhiHIhi55

NOT IF HE WAS ON FUCKING STEROIDS MY MAN HIT A HOMER ONCE IN A WHILE HOLY SHIT.


mansontaco

How do you feel about little dee putting his numbers up on roids


Thejanitor64

I mean dee gordon was a terrible hitter lol


TheDangiestSlad

that's the genius of Steroid Jeter, he had the ability to hit 50 homers but simply chose to slap a base hit instead RE2PECT


THEhiHIhi55

Of course, we're staying in this realm where he theoretically does steroids.


trashboatfourtwenty

I think you should visit [Dan Flashes](https://www.facebook.com/NetflixIsAJoke/videos/itysl-dan-flashes/371243821238540/)


Bug-03

Not for a contact hitting worst shortstop of all time middle infielder


twistedlicorice25

he's not the worst shorstop of all time he was just a not good defensive shortstop who was a good hitter for such a long time that he built up a lot of negative defensive value


Bug-03

So, if I’m reading correctly, you’re saying he was only able to accumulate such shit numbers at his position because of how good of a hitter he was?


twistedlicorice25

yeah a worse hitter would have been taken out of the lineup but he stayed in for 20ish years


VStarffin

What does this mean? Jeter is arguably the best sitting shortstop of all time. He has the second most offensive war of any shortstop ever, trailing only Honus Wagner. Depending how are you era adjust, Jeter was an incredible hitter given his position.


TacoYard

Not to be that guy, but the guy next to him was the best hitting shortstop of all time.


EPCOT_Is_My_Favorite

I'm just saying that in this hypothetical, his power numbers wouldn't reflect that he took steroids. The HRs aren't Bonds-esque.


Daankeykang

Maybe it did tho


goatgosselin

I knew it!!


squeakyboy81

Probably the same way I (Jays fan) felt about Alomar.


ThereCanBeOnlyOne161

Did you buy them at K-mart?


sam_e5

Yankee fans would need to prepare themselves for the onslaught of jokes.


WigglingMonkey

What if: they just let everyone juice? Man it’d be a lot of fun to watch!


UsedToBeBradfordTwo

What if steroids were mandatory?


WigglingMonkey

That’s what I’m talking about!


Wumbo619

Probably wouldn't change, his more impressive stats were off the field, he performed everywhere! Except on defense.


dardyablo

Remove him from the HOF right away!


PosadaFan2021

Why ? Ortiz made it in


dardyablo

and posada didnt!


PosadaFan2021

What does posada have to do with Ortiz and jeter ?


sigma0209

Wouldn’t be surprised


GSDFanatic

Please. Your ass wasn't even watching baseball when Jeter played. Your "Devil Rays" flair isn't fooling anyone.


sigma0209

It also doesn’t surprise me people defend him blindly


DanTreview

Cognitive dissonance for me.


king_zacarias

https://youtu.be/RJ6xdrZ7JvE


Hopefulmisery

He didn’t take enough


Quople

Really confused because neither of their career stats really scream roids


TacoYard

Griffey hit over 600 homeruns. If I'm a guy with no knowledge of any player and am simply screening stats for potential steroid use, that's a red flag if there ever was one.


Quople

I get that since being one of the best power hitters would obviously put you under suspicion, but Griffey’s second half of his career when he joined Cincy isn’t really representative of a steroid user. Being injury prone can raise some red flags, but he also never really had any of those eye popping seasons in his later years like Bonds/Clemens did. Just a handful a solid seasons and then a pretty gradual regression. I’m also only saying this because I believe Griffey would have put up more Bonds-like numbers if he touched a steroid and I don’t remember him bulking up as dramatically as Bonds did; Griffey mostly grew a gut


Thejanitor64

Griffey was eating steroids confiimed. I knew there was something to the well balanced breakfast.


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“Lol”


Clemenx00

None because I already assume anyone who played in the 90s took them. I don't care about them.


Thorlolita

“Whoever game him steroids def didn’t give him the same ones McGwire took”


haus_der_luege

I assume that everyone from 1955-2004 was using to some degree so the only surprise would be that he admitted it.


ManuelArdila

I don't think so, if you uses steroids you can see them on your body...


ManuelArdila

Use*


PumpItUp63

I’d believe Jr. took PED’s before I’d believe Jeter did... Seriously man!