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[Highlight] Slow motion replay shows Wilmer Flores checked his swing

[Highlight] Slow motion replay shows Wilmer Flores checked his swing

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burnSMACKER

Not even close


Sandwich_Crust

*”Jim Joyce, no”*


TheToastyWesterosi

At least Joyce admitted he fucked up and apologized. I doubt we’ll see something like that after this absolute disgrace.


owiko

He fucked up a perfect game call, too. I wonder what the criteria for being an ump in the playoffs is. I would expect long-term quality.


cahir11

You would expect that, but somehow Angel Hernandez continues to be allowed in.


randy24681012

The funniest shit was when Angel sued for racial discrimination when he wasn’t chosen to call the World Series and mlb officials had to go on record saying “no, you actually just suck that bad”.


brownlunchsack

It had to be hard for Angel to prove discrimination when MLB is clearly willing to allow the blind to work.


cortesoft

At least now I can blame this and go on believing we would have won. Great series. Great season. Can’t win em all.


root_scoot_toot

Then he said logan webb fucked them in the ass


saltstryder

Even as a dodger fan I agree Edit: Like i want the Dodgers to go up, but not like this.....


Be-booboo-bop

It’s a shame to end a great series on that. Means that’s what people will talk about instead of the incredible baseball played in the last 5 games


kelskelsea

That’s even what the announcers said


schniggens

Bellinger finally broke out of his slump, has a great series and gave the Dodgers the winning run...that should be the story. Instead we get the fucking umpshow again.


AdamJensensCoat

Sucks. Dodgers brought it tonight and Cody had a moment. Mookie was a nightmare to deal with. Why end on this of all calls? It’s an insult to an amazing season and series.


las-vegas-raiders

That was some MVP Mookie tonight.


nau_sea

Even seeing it live, before the replay I didn't think he went. What an atrocious call. The sad thing is that not only does this end the Giants' season, it takes away the Dodgers' celebration and turns the whole thing into controversy. Absolute dogshit all around.


Leskanic

> Even seeing it live, before the replay I didn't think he went. I felt the same, but there have been times when I think live "there's no way he went," and then the reply vindicates the ump and shows I was wrong. This was, uh, not one of those times.


ih-unh-unh

I don’t see how any Dodger fan can say otherwise. What a horrible call


Archerry

100%. I want no asterisks!


TehLoneWanderer101

Same. I'm glad we won but that was absolutely not a swing. Sucks it ended on such a terrible call.


jeric13xd

Ump wanted to be the star of the show


joe_broke

Story of the series


Orlandipo

Story if the playoffs tbh


willgreb

I mean it should just be reviewable. It’s not that easy to make in real time.


TheOutlier1

“Can’t be reviewed” in any sport, in any situation with our technology, is absolutely silly. If you can double the length of a sports broadcast for ads, you can review any damn play.


VermtownRoyals

This. If their priority was getting the calls right, they absolutely could and do it quickly.


LovableContrarian

Yeah, we're sitting here able to review it and make the right call, sitting on our asses watching on TV. And the umps aren't allowed to? Just nonsense.


SaneSiamese

Play some ads during the review.


chucklesluck

So just the NFL, then.


Mikimao

>“Can’t be reviewed” in any sport, in any situation with our technology, is absolutely silly. This is really the issue. There should *always* be the option to get the call right. It's pretty insane though, a lot of people within sports of all kinds fight against replay being that specific.


Pizzapizzaeco1

It’s not reviewable because the rule is worded in a way that the ump has to think you made an attempt at a swing. The is no definition of attempt. So it’s all bullshit opinion


elguapo51

I just read [this article](https://www.referee.com/reality-of-calling-a-checked-swing/) talking about that exact thing. The money passage: “The NCAA rulebook indicates that a checked swing shall be called a strike “if the barrel head of the bat crosses the front edge of home plate or the batter’s front hip.” That is pretty simple and straightforward language, however, not particularly easy to distinguish. The NFHS and pro rules don’t define a criterion for determining a checked swing. Umpires working under those sets of rules must simply determine if the batter committed to the swing or not. A strike by definition is “a pitch that is struck at by the batter and is missed.” It’s up to the umpire’s judgment as to whether the batter “struck at” the pitch. Breaking the wrists or the bat moving beyond the front of the plate or the batter’s body are considerations that the umpire may use to make the judgment. They are simply considerations, not definitions.”


tyler-86

Yeah, the rule as a whole needs to be rewritten if you're gonna make it reviewable, because right now there technically *can't* be an incorrect check swing call because the rule says that whatever the umpire says is what matters, basically.


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whispy_fingernail

Well that’s about as bad as it gets.


LocalSlob

People like to act like "well, dodgers probably would have won". After watching David freese tie up the WS with two strikes and 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th... Anything is possible.


SpecialistWar3562

Rajai Davis homering off Aroldis Chapman comes to mind.


dafromasta

Anything can happen in one pitch, especially in a 1 score game. That's what makes baseball amazing


MegaGrimer

And a runner on base


LocalSlob

Game on the bat.


milkboles

As a Rangers fan… still too soon.


Barakat_Firdos

To have the balls to end a team's season on a check swing, you better be fucking sure he went. Not even close.


Ankoria

Rewatching this makes me want to gouge out my eyes but I just can't stop marveling at how terrible it is


PCsNBaseball

Meanwhile, I'm drinking myself to death


DagonPie

Ill have 6 tonight for you bud. GGs in that series either way.


apaulo617

I'm sorry man. I'd be so fucking mad at the umps after this game if I was a Giants fan.


Rarecandy31

And not just to end a team's season. To end a 5-game series between the two best teams in baseball in a one-run game; almost as big of a moment as you can have in the sport. Honestly a shame, hate to win that way.


ncsubowen

Better than losing that way 🤷‍♂️


etnad024

😥


myusernamebarelyfits

Da stones on dis fuggin' guy


Significant-Part121

Even if you're some high percentage sure he went, you don't call it unless you're 100% and change.


BMGreg

This requires like "I'm 100% sure that the baby I gave birth to is genetically mine" level of sure


twistedlogicx

Boo Gabe Morales. Boooooooo!


MGSCG

he’s gained a full fanbase that will despise his name for eternity lol


bigpancakeguy

As Joe West retires, we now usher in the Gabe Morales era


ArkenX

He just Holbrook'd himself


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TriviaWhiz

Gabe Morales ends Gabe Kapler's season.


No-Usual6561

There can be only one Gabe.


gabeclark

And that is me.


Teh_cliff

If he umpires another game this postseason we riot.


stv7

Guy deserves to be canned. This is insane. You cannot fuck that up. I know he's protected by an uber powerful union and there have been far greater sins committed by umpires who he still calls colleagues, but *come on*. MLB has a serious problem. People love to talk about the mound distance, strikeouts, pace of play... can we talk about the gigantic elephant in the room that shows its ugly head in the biggest spots each year instead? Like damn. They need to fix this shit now.


S1TBD

Angel Hernandez has drawn the ire of every fanbase since the mid-90s. C.B. Bucknor, same. Ron Kulpa once went on an on-field power trip, saying [I can do anything I want.](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/astros-a-j-hinch-says-home-plate-umpire-told-him-i-can-do-anything-i-want-before-ejection/) All of them are still active umpires. And now, Morales. If MLB doesn't fix this problem here, then they never will.


Hasextrafuture

Fantastic point. How is like a shot clock on pitchers even in the conversation when shit like this still happens.


udliketoknow

Imagine taking an all time game and shitting all over it with controversy


slagnanz

That's classic baseball.


LordCommander27

That's baseball, Suzyn


joe_broke

It took one tenth of a second to ruin it


SlowMotionTurtles

The game was scuffed from the start with how wildly inconsistent the zone was


Zoidberg22

manfredball


TheBoilerCat

Manfred’s MLB


Prometheium

Iwannadie.jpg


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It is what it is. GG to the Dodgers, but holy hell is that check swing going to be a talking point for years


Prometheium

Look, I was fully expecting the L at this point. Flores is 0-17 against Scherzer and I think Lamonte should have been after Slater. But to end one of the best games I’ve ever seen on this call is gutting.


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Yeah it was clear we probably weren't walking away with the W but to end a legendary series in such a bad call fucking sucks. Let's hope this leads to Robo Umping already


Dblue32

Dodger fan. It was a bullshit call still. Don’t want to win that way. Epic series, shitty ending.


Prometheium

Gg my man.


ogechimatt

Honestly as a baseball fan this is a sucky way to end the series


AloneWithAShark

Such a great series too. Lived up to the hype. Until the last pitch at least. I mean, bad calls happen but when it's at such a critical moment? Fucking sucks.


BMGreg

Yeah for real. This call in the second inning? Like it's a bad call, but we can move on. This call to end game 5? Inexcusable


Thelonely3dox2

I wish the last play of the game wasn't a blown call. That was one of the worst calls I've ever seen


twistedlogicx

This is one of those calls that makes *everybody* feel like shit. Giants fans feel like they were robbed, Dodgers fans feel like they would have won that anyway and now their win is cheapened by controversy, and neutral fans hate seeing an all-time NLDS Game 5 end on a blown call. It's like the Galarraga perfect game call. Nobody's happy about it.


PCsNBaseball

I mean, yes. I'd feel better if he struck out.


BMGreg

He *did* strike out. /S For real though, fuck this call. Give me a weak groundout or another called third strike that's in the zone. Give me anything besides a horrible call that just ended the game all awkward as hell


Vertiboat

This is the most conflicted I've ever felt in my entire life


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NonGNonM

doesn't feel good as good as it should for sure.


Coop1534

Can’t imagine my team’s season ending on a missed call. Holy shit that sucks so much.


ajt1296

Much less watching your 107 win team get eliminated in a game 5 in the first round, at home, against your bitter rivals. I'd be gutted


kr580

First time we've ever faced each other in the postseason too, if all the rest wasn't enough.


dwide_k_shrude

Michael Scott: “I am dead inside.”


NehzQk

Why they’ve never defined a checked swing in the rule book is beyond me. The umpires are just gonna go ItS oPeN tO iNtErPrEtAtIoN


this_is_poorly_done

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of (motions) I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [("check swing")], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the (batters effort) involved in this case is not that." -Justice Potter Stewart, 1964, Flores v. Morales


yianni1229

That's so bad lol


AthleteNormal

Can always rely on Ron Darling to call out some horseshit, even on a national broadcast.


St_SiRUS

"That's bad"


other_batman

He knew it immediately too. Audibly groaned when the call was made


SamiMadeMeDoIt

I mean he was audibly groaning after like every single pitch


other_batman

Ron is a man of many groans. Usually he groans in satisfaction but that last one was an "oh no" groan.


gibertot

Home plate ump shouldn't have even gone to the first base umpire honestly.


BrickCityRiot

I feel like *a lot* of us audibly groaned when they showed the 1st base ump with his fist closed


EarlGrayFancyPants

He literally said, “No.” I think he flashed back to 1988.


bernerbungie

I mean this is just absurd that a game of this caliber is decided like that.


SkolUMah

I mean odds are the Dodgers would've still won, but to play 168 games only to have the season end on that is so shitty.


twistedlogicx

> I mean odds are the Dodgers would've still won This is the worst part. It was Max fucking Scherzer on the mound and he had Wilmer Flores in a hole 0-2. Chances are astronomical that Scherzer would have just gotten out of it himself. But at the end of the day it's baseball and nothing is guaranteed. This shit call puts a putrid end to an all-time series for an all-time rivalry. I'm still sick as a Jays fan that they fell one win short of the playoffs. I can't imagine how bitter of a taste Giants fans will be dealing with until Opening Day 2022.


azureknightmare

It's a horseshit bad call, and it's heartbreaking. But...the Giants only scored one run. They went 0-for-whatever with RISP. They watched strike 3s. Yeah we got fucked by the umps but at the end of the day we just gotta overcome stuff like that, and we didn't. If they'd just scored 2-3 runs this wouldn't even have been an issue. The bats went cold in the postseason, and that's ultimately why we lost. :/


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What a joke


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KALU42

Why get 100% of the calls correct when we can have a group of old guys with slowly deteriorating eyesight, egos and places to be after the game make the calls?


Hugo_5t1gl1tz

> group of old guys with slowly deteriorating eyesight, egos and places to be after the game make the calls? I know what you are getting at, but this makes it even worse because Gabe Morales is literally only 37.


Pisto1Peet

How can you make that call


slagnanz

When your feet hurt and you wanna go to bed


AgoraiosBum

It was a fast game too.


little_beer

Super fast game. Earliest I’ve been home after a Giants game all year. The MLB needs to do something about these hacks.


Be-booboo-bop

I don’t get it. In that situation, you know it would be hyper analyzed, so you better be pretty certain. But if he was pretty certain that was a swing, he should be fired


HungryGhosty

Horrifyingly bad call, I’m sorry Giants fans


AJL2021

Absolutely wouldve rather continued the game rather than have this clouding our victory now. Bullshit.


Be-booboo-bop

I think that’s the worst part. Since it ended an amazing series of the two best teams in baseball this year, throwing a wrench in the discussion of how great it was. Disappointing way to end some great baseball to watch


blegeg

My Dodgers friends are texting me "That was a horse shit call". Bad strike zone aside, the Dodgers were basically one strike (lets be real - likely one pitch) away from the win and now instead we have to talk about check swings and umps again. Ugh. What a terrible way for what has felt like an all time great series to end


Downtown_Ant

Yeah... I don't think we would have come back, but you'd just rather have that satisfying finish, rather than "what if x, what if y??". Oh well. Congrats, Dodger bros


zachwilson23

If that's a swing then Wade's deep foul was a walk off homer


ErickBachman

Moving the foul posts


pm_me_cute_sloths_

I support this. No foul balls. Ball goes into the 3rd deck behind home plate? Catcher has to run up there and grab the ball.


philphan25

I support this stadium form of Cricket.


attakmint

But you have to take a running start before you pitch, and the ball has to bounce, and you can play one game over multiple days and still tie.


dwide_k_shrude

I second this motion.


TheFlyingRazzberry

I like this line of thinking, can we go ahead and rule that?


Wolvescast

The best Dodgers team in history facing the best Giants team in history. Elimination game. Bottom of the ninth in a sold-out stadium in San Francisco. The home team trails by one run. The away team sends in their ace for his first career save attempt. This ace is Max Scherzer, one of the best pitchers of his generation, one of only six pitchers to win a cy young in both leagues, and the biggest prize from this year’s trade deadline. Two outs. The go-ahead run is at the plate. Like this is the shit we dream about. This has been one of the best postseason series in the past decade. And it gets decided by an incorrect check swing strikeout call from the first base umpire


horsehasnoname

Ruined a classic. Fuck Gabe Morales!


vandyriz

Refs in NBA, Umps in baseball want the spotlight. This is why there should be challenges abs reviews


YouveBeenDeuced

I use to be against the idea of robo umps, now I'm not as against it.


Ihatgar11

holy shit this will be talked about for years


joe_broke

Best series we've had in years ends on that bullshit


0hootsson

Thats what makes me so mad. This game 5 has been one of the hardest fought elimination games I’ve seen in my life and it ends like that with Flores at the plate.


haveasuperday

I should be ecstatic but I'm muted. Kinda like winning the world series and then having a covid positive player come back out and make things weird.


Harden-Soul

it was one of the most compelling series and games of baseball in like a decade, and suddenly it feels like shit because an ump decided to call some BS on the final out of the game


kreynolds26

This is the cherry on top for the series, but this whole series was umped pretty damn poorly. Just a very awful showing for the mlb


MCrow2001

That’s what happens when umps are picked on seniority and not regular season performance.


yukeynuh

kinda like winning your first ever ws after 15 years of being a fan then finding our your own team cheated :/


haveasuperday

Oh geez. You win.


yukeynuh

i’m pulling for a stros dodgers rematch the salt would be immeasurable


ChrysisX

Yeah had the same sorta deja vu feeling from after winning the world series last year. Like it's fucking awesome, but all the air just gets taken out of it so feels weird


owledge

And Manfred will do absolutely nothing about it


MagicCactus8732

An epic and exciting game...and it ends like that


sedwards3205

If Wilmer strikes out clean, I understand completely. But every fan in the stands saw the check swing but the 1st base ump. He basically took the bat out of his hands. Awful call.


GvGibby2828

Even if it was close I'd be cool with it, check swings are vague sometimes, but this was not one of those times. No parallel bat-plate, no wrist break, no full body rotation, literally nothing that I've ever seen used as justification for calling it a swing.


Dickies138

I’m honestly more upset by the Kris Bryant walk turned K. It effectively took a run off the board


The0neKid

Umps are trying their hardest to make themselves obsolete this year


alpengeist3

You can't end one of the best baseball games of all time like that. Fuck the umps


red1367

Seriously, that was a pitching duel that would go down as a classic. This blows


Andoo

It's not like there is any way to review this.


NormanQuacks345

Unfortunately MLB just does not have the technology for such a thing yet. Maybe by 2050.


biggestbroever

By 2100, I'm hoping they'll create some type of device which can detect when a runner touches first base or senses it... maybe call it a sensor?


ThisIsMyGameAccount

Sens...or? Or what? You see, this is the problem. You tech guys come in with your fancy-pants gizmos and just wanna pass the old timers like a fart in the wind. In my day, we didn't need sens or whatever else you want to use to ruin MY pastime. Not everything can be solved by robots, boy!


milkshakemammoth

I can see a rule change for next season happening after this gets talked about.


SathedIT

I doubt it. This isn't the first time we've had controversy over a check swing and it won't be the last. As far as I know, MLB rules don't define a swing that precisely. It's called at the umpires discretion. I'm curious to see other check swing calls he's made in the past. Is that what he consistently considers a swing? It doesn't change anything, I'm just curious. But it was a terrible call.


TNT21

Yeah this is going to be like the Saints/Rams no PI call


spacecity9

But then the refs torpedoed it by never overturning shit lol


natrapsmai

Maybe one day technology will advance enough to prevent such travesty


Thornton__Melon

That ump better get the fuck out of SF as quickly as possible


bstone99

He was already walking before he even made the call. He booked it out of there


Ok_Garbage_420

I hope inconvenient things happen to him. Leaky roof on his house, backed up/over flowing toilet, car trouble, hemroids, always getting cold/soggy food delivery, bird shit on his head, ect….


fgbh

Same. I want him to step in something wet while he's in his socks!!


808sandAaron

The announcers sound so disappointed lol


jdono927

Ump wanted to go home lmao what a shit call Side note: how tf can you not review that??


wydawg

Im going to guess because there is no actual definition for a checked swing. I think it would be pretty hard to review something until the rulebook formally defined what constitutes a checked swing.


da_choppa

No replays on judgment calls, and a check swing is always a judgment call. There’s no official definition of what constitutes a checked swing. Most people say it’s when the barrel crosses the front of the plate, but that’s not actually in the rulebook.


108Bass

Wilmer may have struck out in the at bat, but you can't take it out of his fucking hands. Garbage call.


Brysamo

What a horrible way to end this series.


FopFillyFoneBone

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's play 8.2 innings of nail-biting, stomach acid inducing winner-take-all baseball between two teams - no, two amazing rivals! - that have won 109 games each this year and end it on the worst fucking call in history!


oodoov21

> end it on the worst fucking call in history! Galarraga would disagree with you there


Colliholic

How do you pull the trigger when it's not even close? That's police brutality right there


cb148

And to end the game? You have to be 100% certain to make that call.


SamiMadeMeDoIt

idk if the Ump scorecard will confirm it or not but I feel like the Giants got absolutely fucked all game long by the umps


GvGibby2828

Only watched from the 7th on, but at least in those innings can confirm dodgers were getting the outside ball called a strike about every time and giants got it only once I think


TokiWartooth777

KB struck out on what should've been a 5-1 count


honging

No they definitely got fucked by the umps. Seemed all the bad calls broke for the dodgers. That ump scorecard is not gonna be pretty.


Ankoria

I felt the same way. It wasn't even the case of an ump fucking with both sides- they were just absolutely merciless to the Giants tonight


Impossible_Aerie_245

Listen i doubt he would have done anything but man it sucks he didn’t get to do it for real


madmax516

Oof


MacJonesandCheese

What a bullshit call


JustARandomSocialist

Absolutely horrible game for the umpires. Eddings was atrocious and obviously the ending.


Deadeye_Dan77

That’s the sort of thing that SHOULD get am umpire fired. You can’t make that call without being 100% sure. Just terrible.


goldgoldgold1

Bad call -_-


Coach_G77

Clown show league. Fuck the umps, fuck Manfred, and fuck the MLB as a whole too. Tired of this shit


tvchase

I'm a Socialist. I support unions. **But we must nuke the Umpires Union from orbit.**


BroodingDecepticon

The 1st base umpire sure was feeling himself after making that call too


SpecsComingBack

Immediately went in for the nipple rubs


VictorAkwaowo1

He said “Watch this shit guys, I’m about to become a Dodgers hero”


rikki-tikki-deadly

"I'll never have to pay for a pickled egg at Philippe's again."


ZiggyPalffyLA

Little does he know we all hate him for that call too


Nights_King

The umpires have been absolutely brutal this season.


ax255

It's almost like they are trying to lose their jobs to robots.


acepilotjones

You just cant fucking end a game like this. I feel robbed as an unbiased viewer. Just horrible.


wingnut5k

MLB terrible ump postseason assignments lead to this, and the terrible zones all series. Hopefully they learn.


johnamoose413

I wanna throw up.


hawbs

Fuck Eddings.


slagnanz

Fuck Morales on that one


GiveYourDogABellyRub

Fuck them both