[General Discussion] Around the Horn - 9/8/21
By - BaseballBot
Time for Theo to take over for Manfred and fix his mess...
Mets just got screwed on that call.
CMV: It is disrespectful to set a stadium's all time longest distance home run as a visiting player.
Would a game 163 tiebreaker have Manfred ball?
A previous discussion said yes, because it’s counted as a regular season game. But I’m just parroting someone else.
Ever lost a game cuz of the shift? Cuz I know we just did.
Has a team ever hit 4 consecutive home runs to walk off?
HRx4 has only happened 10 times. Only time it happened in the bottom of the 9th was by the [Dodgers on Sept. 18, 2006](https://www.mlb.com/video/dodgers-blast-four-in-a-row-c10884789).
It only tied the game though. The Dodgers won in the 10th on a walk off HR.
I was at this game. It's worth a watch. Pad and Dodgers were tied for 1st, obviously late in the season, so it was a playoff type atmosphere. Pads took lead in 10th. Kenny Lofton gets on an Nomar walks it off with a 2 run dong in the 10th.
My self shame: I left after the top of the 9th, I was so angry and knew hoffman had never blown a save at dodger stadium to that point. The parking lot was a party, got to my buddies dorm room at USC to see the walk off in the 10th...
Video: Dodgers blast four in a row
Closest I know of is when we hit 3 home runs to open the inning before setting up a walkoff single [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_IYkZxUmA)
Just took a look at the new plaques joining the Hall of Fame
Is it just me or do the pros behind the scenes at the HOF always make an effort to mention the Montreal Expos as much as possible? I noticed they got a mention in Larry Walker's plaque, even though I've always associated him more with Colorado. I know they also mentioned the Expos on Vlad's plaque too.
I also like how they go out of their way to mention where a player is from if they're not originally from the U.S. Nice touch.
Derek Jeter was so f'ing good man
Honestly I wish the Mariners relocated in '95 so this city wouldn't have to endure this shit. At least I can look back to the pre-superbowl Lions championships
Do you just want to root for a new team and have the "I don't have one in my city" excuse
Winner says what?
So: if you are a first year ballot and get 4.5% of the vote, you are off the ballot forever and don’t get a chance unless it’s the committee?
I guess you could technically come out of retirement to reset your case, right? Like after your second retirement you could then wait another five years and get another chance if I understand it correctly.
You theoretically can, and Minnie Minoso did. He's still not in the Hall and can only be elected by small committee at this point, but he did get to reset his BBWAA ballot eligibility in the 70s.
Oof apparently I wasn’t the only one who thought so… Yankees fans started heckling him 😂😂
Albert Pujols was teammates with Mark McGwire who was teammates with Dusty Baker. Dusty debuted in 1968.
I bet Manfred hates that he needs to help induct Marvin Miller. Maybe he agreed though when they pointed out a HOF plaque is just a piece of metal.
That Ted Simmons Speech was unbelievable
Aren't the HOF inductions usually on a Saturday?
Does anyone know if we'll be able to stream the ceremony tonight?
if you haven't seen a link.
Thanks! Didn't realize it was during work though
It’s that time a year again fellas: "More fooball! Oh shit! Fucking bullshit... unfuckingbelievable... Baseball, that's what I want to watch." - Juan Uribe
If Ian Happ avoids getting non tendered in the off-season he should send the reds a gift basket for all the help they've given him. Happ has a .725 ops this season, but an 1.185 Ops in 63 PA's against the reds.
Wonder how much of that is against the reds terrible bullpen
I'm sure he's done a lot of damage against the bullpen but he did hit a homerun off Gray Monday and got 2 hits off Miley yesterday. The funny thing is his numbers this year against the reds aren't that extreme compared to his career numbers against them (1.081 OPS. in 249 plate appearances) it's crazy how much he destroys them.
Lets not forget about Larry Walker on this day
Will Smith is a punk bitch. Pass it on
Do you think the Nats retaliate tonight? Dave Martinez doesn't strike me as the kind of manager to encourage that kind of thing, but that wouldn't rule it out I guess...
the one that’s not a catcher
His thetan count is super high, there's no way he could ever be a punk bitch.
wtf is Will Smith a Scientologist?!
I am certainly not Gettin Jiggy Wit It
I Am Punk Bitch
TOTALLY RANDOM and I'm asking here because the Rangers sub feels like a ghost town.
I am seeing a game a Globe Life on Sept 19th, 1:35 start. There are 4 of us including my friends mom who is in her 60's. We'd like to get good seats but would also not like to sit in the sun ALL day (small portion of the day is fine).
Can anyone tell me where in the park to look for seats? Or if the roof is likely to be open or closed? (if it's closed it doesn't matter where we sit).
Any info would be great. Thanks!
According to the MLB, Globe Life Field is oriented East Northeast, which is roughly what Coors is oriented (Coors is due North). My guess is the 3rd baseline would be shaded compared to the 1st baseline, because the 1st baseline at Coors is VERY sunny
Caveat: I've never been there
How often is the roof even open there? Every game I've seen on TV it seems to be closed.
Found this website. www.shadedseats.com. I can't vouch for accuracy.
Seats in the Shade at Rangers 1:05 and 1:35 games
For an early afternoon game, the Texas sun is high in the sky at first pitch, positioned on the 1st base side of the ballpark. For the first few innings, the only shaded seats are those under direct cover. If you don’t mind the nosebleeds, sections 233-237 and 322-326 in right field will get shade from the roof structure above, even when the roof is open. In left field, lower-level sections 27 and 28 behind the visitor’s bullpen are under cover. The back rows of sections 29-33 benefit from a generous overhang as well.
As the game progresses, the sun will shift behind home plate and then begin to set down the 3rd baseline. Seats near home plate farther back from the field will start to get some shade as the sun moves across the afternoon sky. The the last few innings those in rows far back on the 3rd baseline will start to receive shade as well.
I used this website for a game a couple weeks ago at Wrigley and it was dead on. It was 90+, sunny and humid that day and our seats were in the shade the whole game, might have otherwise died
Definitely don't take my word for this, but I thought the whole reason they built a new stadium was so they could close it. They never used to play afternoon games in the summer, so I think they'd probably keep it closed.
i think I read somewhere that if it's not over 85 degrees they will keep it open. Unless it's raining of course.
Today’s finally the day Derek Jeter gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.
In case the last decade of Jeter hate has made you forget how much of a legend he is, just imagine Tony Gwynn with five rings.
Larry Walker was better
For sure! It’s a shame it took him so long to make the HOF when Gwynn and Jeter made it so easily.
Idk what's controversial about this. Plus Jeter has a whole seasons worth of postseason stats that are excellent
It’s controversial because people love to use “overrated according to advanced stats” as an excuse to hate on Jeter even though the same is true for some of the most beloved players (Gwynn, Griffey, Ichiro).
When in reality the main difference between Jeter and the others is that he was on winning teams, but no one wants to be seen as a salty Yankee hater.
It's true, reverse the teams and people would say the same thing.
I didn't downvote OP, but to be fair, Tony Gwynn had a career OPS+ of 132 to Jeter's 115, so Gwynn was a significantly better hitter. Not saying Jeter doesn't belong in the Hall, because he does, but it's not a very accurate comparison.
Also Yankees fans bragging about how many rings they have tends to rub people the wrong way.
lol rub which people the wrong way? the same people that suddenly hate the dodgers and made them the most hated team this year i bet. same types of losers who complain about anyone's success. i'm not a yankees fan but the one thing i will never let happen is for them to live rent free in my head like they do for so many of the people on r/baseball.
It doesn't bother me personally, it was just a guess as to why people might have downvoted them
Why only compare hitting? People usually love to include Jeter’s defense when it comes to advanced stats.
At the end of the day they’re both worth 70 WAR, so it’s always been weird to me how one is still beloved while the other gets hate because of WAR, especially when the latter also killed it in the postseason.
Jeter and Gwynn had very different types of production so it’s weird to call Jeter “Gwynn with 5 rings”. Scott Rolen was worth 70 bWAR as well but it would be a weird comparison as well cause they’re not at all similar in how that value was accumulated.
Why the hell is Rolen not already in the HoF?
Because he played in Philly, St. Louis, Toronto for a bit, and Cincinnati.
Also because of the backlog that the ballot has had for a while. He should have a much better chance after Bonds/Clemens/Schilling age off the ballot after next year.
Do the number of teams actually affect it? I can see your point with the backlog, but its annoying when you have years like this one where literally no one makes it in
I was more alluding to him not spending time in big media markets. I don't think the number of teams, specifically, is especially important, but it helps if people have heard of you.
And regarding nobody getting elected this year, literally every writer who sent in a blank ballot could have voted for [INSERT CANDIDATE HERE] and the class still would have been empty, it was just split too many ways. Getting the three I named off the ballot will free up some votes for other deserving candidates like Rolen.
Exactly, they're just very different players even if their overall WAR is similar. Someone like Craig Biggio would be a more apt comparison for Jeter imo.
200 hits and .300 BA are a big deal to a lot of fans. Biggio didn’t put up those seasons as much as Jeter and Gwynn, and he retired a .281 hitter.
I mean no comparison is going to be perfect. Biggio is, however, number 1 on Jeter's similarity scores on Baseball Reference (Gwynn is not in his top 10, they both played middle infield positions, they both stayed with the same team throughout their careers, they were both part of a group of core players that included other Hall of Famers (Core Four, Killer B's). I don't think it's a *worse* comparison than Gwynn.
I’m just talking about the perception of these players from the average fan. I don’t think those fans are too concerned with Baseball Reference similarly scores. If you ask the average fans about Biggio a lot of them would say that he doesn’t feel like a HOFer, and I think the biggest reason for that is that he wasn’t a .300 hitter like Gwynn and Jeter.
I figured Gwynn is a good comparison since he’s another player worth “only” 70 WAR who’s still an icon.
They have pretty comparable wars. Plus the extra seasons worth of play should be a factor in Jeter. You can't fault Gwynn for a lack of it because I know its a team sport, but it can only help Jeter.
Today's games by PLIMP. PLIMP estimates the impact of a regular season game on the playoff picture: which 10 teams will make it and whether it'll be as a division winner or in the Wild Card game. It does not measure a game's impact on playoff seeding other than division vs. wild card. [See here for more background](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/b6jsgv/rereintroducing_plimp_v_30/). Teams who would be in the playoffs if the season ended today are **bolded**:
Rank|Away|@|Home|PLIMP|PLIMP 0-100|1-Day ∆|Time (ET)
[Link to FiveThirtyEight's "2021 MLB predictions" page](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/)
Hot Teams|Last 10|Cold Teams|Last 10
If the Jays win today, what do you think the PLIMP goes up to for the series finale tomorrow?
I'd say upper 20s/lower 30s (on 0-100) seems right? Say 48ish uncertainty points for TOR and 35ish for NYY (would be 29 on 0-100). Depends on BOS too to some extent. The +9 jump today was pretty nuts.
Yeah, the A's are in the mix too for affected odds - an A's win with a Yankees loss puts the Yanks, Mariners, Jays, Red Sox, and A's all within 3 games in the loss column.
47 points for TOR and 40 for NYY... close, kind of.
How do salaries work for guys that keep getting shuttled back and forth between AAA and the majors? Do they just get the prorated MLB minimum for the time they spend on the active roster and the 40 man minimum for the rest of it?
From what I have read. The player earns a prorated MLB minimum salary for time played at the MLB level. When/If they are demoted, they go back to the Minor League salary.
I had a friend in the minors who made it all the way up to AAA in the San Diego system in the early 2010 so I picked his brain on this question back in the day. Numbers may have changed a bit since then...
There is a different salary scale for those in the Minors who are on the 40 man roster vs those who are not.
Those on the 40 man roster but in the minors make about $60k-$80k a season. They make the MLB minimum prorated for the days they are actually on the MLB 26 man roster.
Those NOT on the 40 man roster make those peanut level salaries that we have seen documented so much, i.e. $15k for a AAA level.
A lot of the top prospects are able to survive off their signing bonus but until they make the 40 man roster, their actual salary is dirt low.
If Juan Soto continues to walk at the rate since he has since the trade deadline, he has a very good shot of passing Ted Williams (350) and Mel Ott (362) for most walks before the age of 23. He is currently at 342 and the Nationals have 24 games left to play.
You *have* to think he's going to walk at least 9 more times in 24 games, it'd be more surprising if he didnt pass Ted. 21 more walks might be a tall task though
He’s added on 5 more in the last 5 games including today. So down to 4 more to pass williams and 16 to pass ott in 19 more games.
He’s seen about 3.95 PAs per nats game so figure he gets ≈75 more PAs this year. So he needs to walk at a rate of maybe >21% to overtake Ott. This year his walk rate has been almost exactly 21% but since the trade deadline it’s been 28.2%
So maybe it comes down to the wire? I don’t know. but I’m definitely paying attention lol
He’s walked 43 times\* in 34 games since the trade deadline, but it’s no guarantee he will keep is up for the remaining games. Ott had the benefit of 117 extra games before turning 19 (before sotos debut) and not having a pandemic shortened season.
The crazy thing is Soto is going to have fewer PAs than Ted Williams before either turned 23. Juan Soto has a very slightly higher walk rate through that age period than Ted Williams. Blows my mind.
I SotoPost too much maybe but that’s kinda just nuts to me.
*versus 19 strikeouts in that timeframe lmao
General question. What is the round thingy that the batters wear on their thumb and what is it used for? I have never seen it before but now I see it all the time
Thumb guard. Used to fill the gap in their grip and lessen the sting of a bad hit.
thanks! I will say this community does answer my stupid questions and I am grateful for that. I love to watch baseball but I so many noob questions and everyone is so nice.
Happy Larry Walker Day!
Dodgers, don't be afraid to lose a game when the Giants win one.
Tried it. Wasn’t all that fun.
Well you have to give it a fair shot
Good morning from Cooperstown!
Happy Larry Day!
Everyone make sure to hug an iguana today.
Saw Tame Impala last night. Holy cow, they were good.
I’m going to be in DC in 2 weeks and planning on going to their concert. Really looking forward to it.
>[Mike Sowell](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sowell)’s amazing book about the death of [Ray Chapman](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chapmra01.shtml), [The Pitch That Killed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pitch_That_Killed), begins with a quote from [Terry Turner](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turnete01.shtml), describing his own experience.
>“I can still remember vividly how I was fascinated by seeing that ball coming toward my head,” Turner told the [Cleveland Press](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Press).
>“I was paralyzed. I couldn’t make a move to get out of the way, though the ball looked big as a house. I imagine that a person fascinated by a snake feels much the same way, paralyzed and unable to dodge the deadly serpent about to strike.
>"The ball crashed into me. It sounded like a hammer striking a big bell. Then all went dark.”
- New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract Ch. 19